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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the NASDAQ OMX Second Quarter 2010 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I'd now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Vince Palmiere, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Vince Palmiere

Analyst · Susquehanna

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our second quarter 2010 earning results. Joining me are Bob Greifeld, Chief Executive Officer; Adena Friedman, our Chief Financial Officer; and Ed Knight, our General Counsel. Following our prepared remarks, we'll open up the line for Q&A. You can access the results, press release and presentation on the NASDAQ OMX Investor Relations website at www.nasdaqomx.com. We intend to use our website as a means of disclosing material non-public information and for complying with disclosure obligations under SEC Regulation FD. And these disclosures will be included under the Events and Presentations section of the site. Before I turn the call over to Bob, I’d like to remind you that certain statements in the prepared presentation and during the subsequent Q&A period may relate to future events and expectations and as such, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The actual results may differ materially from those projected in these forward-looking statements. Information containing factors that could cause actual results to differ from forward-looking statements is contained in our press release and in our periodic reports filed with the SEC. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bob.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thank you, Vince, and thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning to discuss our second quarter 2010 results. I'll begin by spending a few minutes highlighting the quarter and then update you on the progress of our initiatives. Adena will then walk you through the financials in detail. This morning, we reported a net income of $96 million or $0.46 per diluted share. On a non-GAAP basis, net income was $108 million or $0.52 per diluted share, very strong results, as this reflects an increase of 21% in EPS when compared to the first quarter of 2010 and matches our previous high of $0.52 achieved during the fourth quarter of 2008. Also during the quarter, net revenues increased $30 million or 8% from the first quarter of 2010, coming in at $390 million. When we spoke last quarter, I discussed how the core fundamentals of our business were strong, and our results this quarter clearly demonstrate this to be the case. Volumes were up in nearly all of the products in which we trade. Our market share in U.S. cash equities has remained stable, while it continues to grow in options. Company listings have grown on the strength of new listings, and demand for co-location continues to increase, while clustered demand for our listed companies’ Corporate Services has also grown. This quarter, just about every aspect of our business improved. Within Transaction Services, U.S. Cash Equity Trading revenues were up nearly 70% from the first quarter of 2010 and 26% from the second quarter of 2009. Volume matched by NASDAQ and BX totaled 148 billion shares in the quarter, up 17% when compared to the first quarter of 2010 and up 4% from levels realized in the second quarter of 2009. Our market share has remained stable, with NASDAQ…

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Thank you, Bob. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. First, let me start with our announcement this morning about the share repurchase program. In March, our board approved a $300 million program, and we acted quickly, repurchasing $200 million in the first few months. This action has delivered $0.02 of accretion in the second quarter of 2010 and promises to deliver even more as the full impact of our actions are realized in the coming quarters. And we're happy to report that our board has recently approved an incremental $100 million for the program, increasing the total size from the original $300 million to a total of $400 million, furthering our plans to return to capital to shareholders. Now turning to the quarter, our non-GAAP net income for the second quarter of 2010 was $108 million or $0.52 per diluted share compared to non-GAAP net income of $92 million or $0.43 per diluted share in the first quarter of 2010 and non-GAAP net income of $99 million or $0.47 per diluted share for the second quarter of 2009. Reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP results can be found in the attachments to our press release and in the presentation that's available on our website, at ir.nasdaqomx.com. As reported on Slide 9 of our presentation, changes in the exchange rates of foreign currencies and the U.S. dollar had a negative impact of $0.01 to the non-GAAP diluted EPS when compared to the first quarter of 2010 and no impact when compared to the second quarter of 2009. Consistent with our prior calls, the remainder of my comments will address our non-GAAP results, unless I note otherwise. Net exchange revenues were $390 million, an increase of $30 million or 8% when compared to the first quarter of 2010 and up $23…

Vince Palmiere

Analyst · Susquehanna

Thank you, Adena. Operator, we're ready for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Celeste Brown of Morgan Stanley.

Celeste Brown - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Hi, good morning.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

How are we doing today, Celeste?

Celeste Brown - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Good. Probably not as good as you, it sounds like.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes, we’re doing quite well.

Celeste Brown - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

So I guess this question is for either you or Adena. It sounds like you think your U.S. equity capture is sustainably higher. Should it be as high as what we saw in the second quarter? And then also if you can just give a little more color on the favorable client mix in the U.S. that you discussed.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Sure, we do believe the capture is sustainable, and we certainly expect it to be in range to what we saw in the second quarter. What you're seeing with respect to customer mix is a number of different things. One is with regard to what we’ll call sponsored access or naked sponsored access. We saw a number of firms want to have their own BD, their own standing with the regulators, and to come in to us directly. And as a result of that, they then had to earn their own way in the pricing tier. And that helped us in that regard. So I think that trend line will continue.

Celeste Brown - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And then on the more recurring base of revenues that you have, the non-trading revenues. It sounds like they should also be -- stay at higher levels, particularly Access Services, you shouldn't see a sequential step down or anything like that.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

No, we expect it to continue to increase, actually, and as we enter the summer months, that stable revenue, obviously, is a comfort to us in the Transaction business.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dan Fannon of Jefferies. Daniel Fannon - Jefferies & Company, Inc.: Building on the net capture quickly here, do you -- you made some positive pricing changes here over the last kind of six to nine months. Do you anticipate further improvements in pricing in the near term?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Jefferies

Well, I think I'll stand by the earlier comment. We expect the caps rate to be in the range of what we saw in the second quarter. That being said, we have to look continuously at our pricing model. We have to be engaged in our customers, and I think constantly in communication. And we think about it all the time. So it's hard to predict the future, where it might go, but I think I can give you comfort that what we saw in the second quarter will follow through into the third and the fourth. Daniel Fannon - Jefferies & Company, Inc.: And then switching over to options, can you talk about your strategy there in terms of maximizing profit share and balancing profitability as you look at kind of pricing within that market?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Jefferies

Well, options, just like equity, requires us to understand what the customers need from their market centers. And the management team there has done a remarkable job of anticipating and listening to their customers. So when you look at the product line extensions we made to both Philly and NOM, they were not so much about pricing but about features and functions that the customers need. So we think that's going to be the dominant determinant of our success in the quarters to come. It's not so much a pricing game.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Howard Chen of Credit Suisse. Howard Chen - Crédit Suisse AG: Bob, as you and the team do the post mortem on the events of May 6, I guess, you and others in the industry have proposed a lot of changes, but just specific to the business model, could you discuss how it potentially changes your outlook or the timing or the prioritization of some of the initiatives you're working on, if at all?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Well certainly, we put the implementation of the circuit breaker as job number one, and we did that in a very short period of time, and it’s a credit to our technology team. But as we look at what changes might happen as a result of May 6, from what we have in our developing queue, it really is really a immaterial impact. Clearly, we will take a pretty vigorous stand with respect to stub quotes, and we're prepared to roll that in, in very short order. So May 6 was an important event. It's an important event for us to respond to in a positive way, but it's not impacting our overall business plans . Howard Chen - Crédit Suisse AG: And then Adena, just a broad question on capital. During the quarter, you got a lot of share repurchase done. How do we think about that pacing of it going forward? And, I guess, just to wrap something else around that, like net to the debt of EBITDA is now about 2x. Is that a good place to be, in your minds?

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Sure. In terms of the pace of the share buyback, I would say that we will continue to be opportunistic in the way that we execute the share buyback. And we clearly think that the strength of our business and the growth prospects of our business outweigh the current price that we're trading at. So we believe that this is the right time for us to be upsizing the buyback and continuing to be active in the marketplace. In terms of specific timing, that's not something we generally discuss. But in terms of the debt to EBITDA ratio, obviously, as our EBITDA continues to strengthen and we pay down debt, we’ll continue to find ourselves with a lower ratio. And I think that we’re certainly very comfortable where we are today. I think that with the cash flow generation of our business, we have the ability to look at leverage if there’s some very strategic and attractive for us to consider. But right now, we're extremely comfortable with the -- right around the 2.2x that we're going to be looking at.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Daniel Harris of Goldman Sachs.

Daniel Harris - Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Just wanted to touch base on the Nordic Equities business. Obviously, some good numbers there on the trade count and volume. And the revenues were flattish on a local-currency basis, and that's obviously due to the fee caps you guys have put in place. Now how are you, or what are you seeing in terms of new client sign-ups, the pace of activity over there that's coming from clients that weren't involved earlier this year that I know you guys are targeting to help grow that revenue base?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Great question. We believe in the third and fourth quarter, we will see a demonstrable benefit from the efforts we've put in over the last two years, where we have an increased number of what would be commonly known as high-frequency trading firms who desire co-location services in advanced stages of testing with us. So we expect third and fourth quarter we’ll see an increase of velocity, increase in the number of members in the markets, and we're obviously looking forward to that.

Daniel Harris - Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Just moving on to the interest rate swap clearing transaction that you said actually happened within IDCG. Can you put any color around that? What kind of trade was that? How large, and are there other trades that -- Was that just a test trade, or is this going to start being something that we see coming through more often?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Well, the first thing I will say, it was not a test trade. There will be more trades coming, probably this week, we anticipate. And we certainly anticipate the open interest in the clearinghouse to be increasing in the months to come. Further details I'm going to leave to a later date, and some of the participants in the trade will probably publicize the fact that they were involved with these trades.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Rich Repetto of Sandler O'Neill. Richard Repetto - Sandler O`Neill: I guess my question is on Slide 7, the Market Technology table. So is that table just -- are we supposed to take that as if nothing changed, that's the revenue you would recognize? For example, are there any -- I'm sure there's potential to get higher revenue in '11, I would think, the $116 million.

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill

Right. So this represents the revenue that's been committed through contracts, but yet has not been recognized. And clearly, though, Rich, we have some level of variable revenue that comes into the business from enhanced server [ph] (0:41:20) requests, from advisory services and from other services that we offer and provide that can be recognized more immediately. But this is essentially recognizing by the way [ph] (0:41:33) that we have a lot of clients signed into long-term deals, but their revenue recognition will only occur after we've delivered the initial technology, and they start to accrue. Essentially, we start to amortize the value of the contract. So this is certainly not a full picture of the revenue for the remainder of this year or for next year. It's just a reflection at least of what's already been signed and what we can look forward to. And we'll continue to work on providing increased clarity and transparency around this business going forward, but this is at least a step.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill

So Rich, this is the revenue in the bank. We have an entire sales force who will only get paid if they deliver incremental revenue with these numbers. Richard Repetto - Sandler O`Neill: And then my follow-up is a bit more on the flash crash, Bob. You went through sort of the basic mechanics of the response, and, I guess, no big changes to the model if -- but the longer-term thing, I believe, is this consolidated tape and being able to provide the SEC with the audit trail to really, I guess, look at where all the trades came from. And I guess the question is, I thought that they passed or some of the expenses would float through the SROs. Have you taken a look at that? Is there any expense that we could expect, or you're looking at having to either -- how would you handle it if you did, if you have to provide this auditing trail to the SEC?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill

Well, The first thing I would say is, Rich, we can certainly connect some dots with respect to May 6 in our interest in SMARTS, and the acquisition that we announced today. So now we have stepped to the forefront on a global basis with respect to surveillance technology. And May 6 certainly has resonated around the planet, and we believe there's going to be a strong market demand and increased market demand, it's already a strong demand, for surveillance technology. And as we said, SMARTS has been a leader in providing technology for surveillance through exchanges. We think their mandate will dramatically increase where they'll be serving both exchanges, regulators and broker-dealers. So we feel very good about this acquisition, and we feel very good that in the post-May 6 world, we're ideally positioned to provide some of the data that you're talking about.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Carrier of Deutsche Bank.

Michael Carrier - Deutsche Bank AG

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Just, Adena, one question on the expenses. If you try to mute out the FX benefit that you got in the quarter, you had about a 5% sequential increase since the first quarter. Obviously, some of that's going to be due to the strong volumes across the business. But if you look at the third quarter, or maybe the back half of the year, do you have some flexibility in some of those cost buckets and case volumes? I think right now, they’re down about 20% for the quarter, but if we netted up getting into soft volume environment, do you have some flexibility there?

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Yes, so if we look at where the primary increase came from, from first quarter to second quarter, it is in compensation. And there's a combination of things driving the cost up there. The first thing is that we did do an equity grant in March to all of our employees, and so the essentially options expense, equity expense did go up for the year, and we’ll seeing a full quarter impact of that. So that's more structural. We also implemented a merit increase in June, and so that also is more structural. But we also increased our accrual for our incentive compensation, based on the strength of our second quarter results. So clearly, if the results in the second half of the year are not as strong as we anticipate, then that would be at some level of variability there. Additionally, in the second quarter, we spent a bit more on marketing and advertising slightly. And we have some other things I would say are a little bit more discretionary. And the last thing I would say about third quarter is we always have a little bit of a benefit from the vacation accruals, where that does bring down our comp expense a bit in the third quarter. So there are certain things that are seasonal, other things are structural, but I think we have some variability.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

There's no lack of levers we can pull to bring the expenses in.

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Right.

Michael Carrier - Deutsche Bank AG

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

And then just one follow-up on the U.S. Cash business. You changed pricing and obviously got a big benefit this quarter. If we look at the market share, looks like it’s sliding slightly, not a huge deal there. But if you look with your conversations with the different constituents in the markets, based on what your current pricing has been and some of the competitive moves out there in the market, what's your view in terms of the current structure? And is that give-and-take in terms of -- if market share slides a bit, are you still comfortable with the current pricing that you have implemented?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Well, the first thing I would say is, with respect to market share, we see July a slight uptick in market share. We’re around 24%. So I'm not sure where you see it sliding. So we see it slightly increasing. So I would say with respect to pricing, I’ll repeat what I said earlier, I think the caps rate we had in the second quarter you can reasonably expect to see that in the third and the fourth quarter, within range. That being said, we evaluate the pricing and how we can best serve our customers on a continuous basis. So we handle things as they develop.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Niamh Alexander of KBW [Keefe, Bruyette & Woods]. Niamh Alexander - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: If I could touch on the SEC, and I know, Adena, you and I have spoken about this before. There was something with respect in the financial regulatory reform, the Wall Street Transparency Act , that I think really benefits your businesses and maybe your competitors too. But I'm not clear on exactly when you can start to implement it. And this is basically that really takes a big inhibitor off your business. Am I correct in thinking that now you can implement a price change and then kind of let the SEC know, or wait for them to get back to you within a certain period of time? Before, you had to submit a filing, wait for them to get around to looking at it, wait for a comment period that -- so that really kind of removes an inhibitor. Am I understanding it correctly? And if I am, when does this take effect?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Well, I think you have a good understanding of it. It’s internally what we call the Meeks Amendment, and we're certainly happy to see it in FinReg. And to distill it down, it essentially reduces dramatically the SEC's pocket veto. And that is, if we put a filing to them, which is proper for form, they need to publish it for comment. And to the extent they do not, then the clock will start ticking based upon when we publish it on our website. So it puts a discipline to the process with the Commission, and we can have some deterministic outcomes to a number of filings. And we have certainly had a vast number of filings through the years that kind of go into the ether, and this should radically change that environment, I think for the betterment of the Commission, for the market and I think for our, particularly, prospects. What’s particularly exciting about this is unlike a lot of FinReg, this ruling is effectively immediately, so it is, in theory, in place today. We're certainly feeling our way with the new ground rules, and I think you could say the same for the Commission, but it certainly will be a positive for us. Niamh Alexander - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: So still you need to get approval before you can put the prices in, in effect, but it's just it speeds up that approval process?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes, pricings can be -- non-data pricing can be deemed immediately effective. So we've got greater latitude on that. But I would again caution in that we're working with the Commission right now to understand the rules of the road. Ed Knight’s here, our General Counsel. Ed, you want to...

Edward Knight

Analyst

Yes, one thing that the Congress did is made it clear that all fee filings by an SRO are eligible for immediate effectiveness. This means not only our member fee filings but also our non-member fee filings. So they -- in the past, there’s been some question about that. Now that question has been resolved clearly by Congress. They want us to compete, and that is why they want our fee changes to be immediately effective, to heighten the competition, and we think it's good for our planning. We will now have much more visibility in terms of -- and predictably around our pricing. Niamh Alexander - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: And my second question on Nord Pool, I just wanted to understand a little bit business a better in terms of their revenue pie right now, maybe the opportunity. Because you just bought in the trading. You already had the clearing, right? Or am I getting it wrong? And then, you just rolled out in London, so if you could help me understand right now maybe the total pie and then what London could add to that.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Well, we've said this previously. We believe the London market opportunity for power is roughly equivalent size to the Nordic market. The U.K. market is bigger again with respect to gas. Our first focus, though, is power. Then the earlier part of your question, yes, we completed the rest of Nord Pool that we did not own, and we have significant amounts of the economic benefit already. The completion is a good thing for us, but it's not material.

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Credit Suisse

But I think generally, though, Niamh, we, up until -- for the first and second quarter, we’re kind of on track around a $50 million per year revenue for Nord Pool. That's kind of the average that we see for that marketplace generally, is around $50 million a year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Roger Freeman of Barclays Capital.

Roger Freeman - Barclays Capital

Analyst · Barclays Capital

So I guess first, just coming back to that slide on the Market Technology sort of layout over the next few years, maybe one thing that would be helpful is for you to kind of look at, maybe the historical, last couple of years of revenues, what percentage of the revenues, ultimately, are for the near term, where you get an order and there’s a delivery in revenue accrued in the space of, say, maybe three months or so? Where we kind of think about -- and what percentage of that does that end up being of total revenues as opposed to sort of long-term contract? Because I assume that's what we see here.

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Barclays Capital

In general, and that's something that we're working on, Roger. But I think what we've been looking at internally is approximately 80% of the revenue is based on prior commitments, contractual commitments that are over the length of the agreement, whereas about 20% of revenue really comes from shorter-term deliveries. Now that can vary quarter-over-quarter, so certainly we had a very strong quarter, for instance, in the fourth quarter of last year that was based on some shorter-term revenues. But on a general basis, it's kind of 80/20. And recognize that, of course, this is only the revenue from contracts we've already signed and are in place and agreed to. And as Bob said, we have constant sales efforts to improve those contracts, change them. So, for instance, a client might choose to go under a contract for trading and then a year later choose to sign with us for clearing and things like that. So those types of things are obviously not reflected in this table.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Barclays Capital

And as, Roger, as you probably know, under U.S. GAAP, if we sign a big contract, unlike five or ten years ago, it’s hard to recognize a significant portion of the revenue. It tends to want to come in over a period of time, as we follow the accounting rules, so...

Roger Freeman - Barclays Capital

Analyst · Barclays Capital

I guess my second question is just around IDCG. Bob, the last quarter, you were talking about some of the technology and operational hurdles that were sort of in the way. And I guess I was wondering if you can comment on it at this point now, three months later, how much of that has been overcome? And also with the legislation having sort of taken place over that time period, did you see clients at all sort of pull back on any -- making any decisions one way or another in anticipation of how that was going to sort of play out?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Barclays Capital

Well, a couple of answers here. One, with respect to our efforts for technology integration, they really proceed apace with a large number of players. And what we identified is we had to get some over the line, where we were doing production trades. So we were happy to be in that state right now where we have committed players who are putting real open interest into the clearinghouse. As I said, we’ve had several trades. We expect several more this week. So that is noticeable progress. I would say with respect to FinReg, clearly there was a spectator element to it by us and all others in the industry, and literal spectator during that last fight as it was broadcast on C-SPAN 2. But what's been interesting in the time period, the short period of time since it's been passed, our conversations with what I’ll call the traditional players in the space have increased quite dramatically and increased with respect to the different levels of the organization that we're dealing with. And if I could equate this period of time to anything, it would be back into the ECN days, the early ECN days in the equity world, where everybody felt compelled to talk to everybody else. So we're going through that period of time right now. We’re engaged in those discussions. But in the meantime, and most importantly, we continue to focus on executing our plan, because we clearly have a working system with the proper regulatory approvals that is positioned to meet customer needs. And it's our job to build up transactional and open interest activity in it, and we're in the process of doing that.

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Barclays Capital

But some of the background noise you’re hearing here is we’re right above where they do the market open this morning, so you're going to hear some happy voices and claps and cheers as we go through the rest of the call.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matthew Heinz of Stifel, Nicolaus. Matthew Heinz - Jefferies & Company: Just a question on the U.S. Options business. You guys have clearly been successful in growing market share there without sacrificing a whole lot in the way of revenue capture. And I’d just like to ask you about the C2 platform at CBOE and what impact you think that might have on your business and kind of just the flow of the industry. It seems like some people have been talking about that platform may be mopping up some of the excess flow that gets pushed away from their floor, and I’d just like to know what your thoughts are on that.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Well, one, we have a tremendous amount of respect for the management of the CBOE and their capabilities in the marketplace. We're obviously proud to have them being a NASDAQ OMX-listed company. But the options world is competitive, has been for the last several years. And C2, it will be an interesting new entrant, VAS [ph] (0:58:05) was a certainly interesting new entrant. But we, as you'd expect, have to focus on the strength of all offerings and how they meet customer needs. And we certainly have an active development calendar for our options platform in the months to come. We will have a significant upgrade to the NOM platform with respect to its connectivity into the marketplace in and around the end of the year. So we continue to execute, and we certainly like our positioning, and we certainly appreciate the results that the management team has delivered to us over the last year. Matthew Heinz - Jefferies & Company: One quick follow-up just on the Market Tech business, appreciate the guidance there for 3Q. Just like to know a little bit about how you're thinking about your strategy there, and what type of competition you're seeing out there, other than the usual suspects, NYSE and some of the other exchanges?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Well, I thought you would certainly bring up SMARTS, because when you talk about the strategy in Market Tech, we kind of revealed a bit of it today, right? So when we look at the Technology Provision business, we said surveillance. And we had this thought, obviously, prior to May 6 but coming out of May 6, it popped inward to the top of the list. There was nothing, really, number two. So to be a major player in the surveillance was a strategic imperative to us. We were fortunate to enter into an acquisition agreement today with the clear leader, clear global leader in the space. So we think each and every technology deal in the days to come will have a very strong surveillance component to it. So we feel very good about that. Also in terms of outside of the acquisition, when you look at the success in the last quarter of Genium INET net and the contracts we have entered into, it's quite impressive. And it's quite impressive that major global exchanges are comfortable enough with our technology offering and support offerings to partner with us on these initiatives. So the positioning in Market Technology is today stronger than it's ever been. As you can see, the pipeline is remarkably strong, and this certainly’ll be an engine of growth earnings and revenue growth for us in the years to come.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Alex Kramm of UBS.

Alex Kramm - UBS Investment Bank

Analyst · UBS

So I just wanted to come back on a couple of things here. First, on the U.S. pricing, but not to beat a dead horse, but you're saying it’s going to be roughly stable in range, but if I look at the second quarter, I mean, that was obviously a very unique quarter in terms of the volume, the volatility and so forth. So if I look at some of your competitors, it sounds like their pricing certainly went down, given their fears and so forth. So I assume that some of your tiers or more people hit your peers as well. So with volumes down right now, I mean, shouldn't we really be seeing a little bit of an increase here going forward?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · UBS

I think that's a fair conclusion if everything was equal, and I did say we expect the capture to be within a range. But clearly, the second quarter, we'll have more people hitting volume tiers than you have in the third quarter. So that's a fair enough conclusion.

Alex Kramm - UBS Investment Bank

Analyst · UBS

And then just second, just coming back to IDCG and FinReg, I mean, you just made some comments of the discussions you're having. But maybe if I focus specifically on the dealer side, can you give us a little more color on how the discussions have gone there? I mean, last quarter, I think you made some comments, though, on how you really are focused on the buy side and then the dealers will actually essentially have to play nice to participate if the buy side wants it. But if I look at the competitive landscape out there, I would say one of your competitors that has been a lot more friendly with the dealers recently made some moves that might have created some tension, so I'm just wondering if maybe your discussions with the dealers have changed a little bit, if there's more interest at all.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · UBS

Well, first, I would say that your paraphrasing of my comments from last quarter a little bit generous, but it's our -- our job one is to make the IDCG product attractive to all entrants into the marketplace. And when you think about a clearinghouse and/or an exchange type of trading facility, that's our fundamental role in life. So we are in conversations with all participants. I would definitely say that since FinReg, our conversations with what you would perceive as the traditional dealers in the space have intensified. They are very direct with us with respect to aspects of the IDCG model that they would like to see changed in some way, and we have to respect that input and balance it against the input we get from the buy side. And we're in the process of, I think, coming to what would be seen as a happy medium with respect to the product offering. So we're pleased most by the fact that we are in the process of doing trades, we're production ready, and we will have -- building momentum in terms of what this offering’s about.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jillian Miller of BMO Capital Markets.

Jillian Miller - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

I was hoping to get some more additional detail on the interest rate swap clearing solution that you launched in the Nordics. I was wondering what the potential size of the market is, and maybe what would be helpful is if you could give us an idea for what you’d consider successful annual revenues from the operation at maturity? And then I was also curious what you believe your competitive advantages are compared to, say, SwapClear, that I think also offers claim for the krona-denominated swaps.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Right. Well, I would say with respect to our Nordic offering, we enjoy broad support from the user community, both buy and sell side, and also from the regulatory environment in the Nordics. In addition, we obviously have technology that's integrated into the basic systems in these firms, and we have great customer relations in that area. So we feel strongly about it. We did put up the first trade in the Nordics, and it was interesting we did that with the governmental enterprise. So we're very comfortable in our positioning. With respect to the size of the market, I will give you a broad primer that it is a eight-figure per year market. And we really don't know that much more than that, but we certainly expect to have a leading share in the market in the time to come.

Jillian Miller - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

And just a quick follow-up on the same general topic, are you using the IDCG technology and like the same methodology for the Nordic clearing? Or is that something that you’ve designed for the Nordic market?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

I think it's roughly equivalent. There are some differences in the risk management capabilities, but we do expect that to converge over time. But right now, the risk is a little bit different.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jonathan Casteleyn of Susquehanna.

Jonathan Casteleyn - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP

Analyst · Susquehanna

Wondering if you can give us some more details about your build-out in European trading, cash and derivatives. I know there was a technology change there a couple of quarters ago. Also, you've been adding some clearing members. Any way to scale the future growth? I know at one point you looked at it as a percentage of the GDP, kind of the trading value that you expected. Is there any new assumption or forecast there?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Susquehanna

Well, it's really somewhat the same. What we've been articulating is the fact that we wanted to get the INET technology into that marketplace. One, it was more capable than the prior technology; but two, it had wide global appeal. So that has been completed, and I think I said early in the call, we expect to see some of the fruits of that effort in the third and fourth quarter, as some of the global players are now able to interface with our Nordic marketplace in somewhat a seamless way. And the other major building block we had to put place was to get to Central Counter Party Clearing, so we did that. So the building blocks are in place. We expect it to deliver returns to the participants in the marketplace and to our shareholders going into the third and the fourth quarter.

Jonathan Casteleyn - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP

Analyst · Susquehanna

I see. So to pin you down to a number, say, above or below sort of long-term economic growth, sort of hard to do, I guess.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Susquehanna

That it is.

Jonathan Casteleyn - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP

Analyst · Susquehanna

And then can you just talk about net listings in the quarter? I know you talked about your new account wins or new listing wins. Obviously, a very good thing, but just wondering, did the net listings for the exchange improve quarter-over-quarter?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Susquehanna

I think, actually, we did, right?

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Susquehanna

I think that...

Vince Palmiere

Analyst · Susquehanna

Yes, our total number of listings actually increased for the quarter.

Jonathan Casteleyn - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP

Analyst · Susquehanna

Net listings have increased?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Susquehanna

Right.

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Susquehanna

Yes.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Susquehanna

Yes. And that was a good reversal of the trend line.

Operator

Operator

Our next questions comes from Justin Schack of Rosenblatt Securities.

Justin Schack - Rosenblatt Securities

Analyst · Rosenblatt Securities

I'm wondering, actually, if you can comment at all on your outlook on volumes. I think on the last call, you'd made some comments that suggest that the increases in volumes you're receiving, at that time, were sustainable and part maybe a trend where you would see that continue through the next several quarters as the economy improved. Since then, volumes have been done quite a bit, so I wonder if your opinion has changed at all there.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Rosenblatt Securities

Well, Justin, I would say in terms of how we look at volumes, we try to look at it on a yearly basis, and we certainly look at the prior year. And we also go into a given year with the expectation that there'll be one or two months of higher volatility that will result in higher volumes. We don't ever really know which months they’ll be, but if you look back year-on-year, that tends to be fairly accurate. Then you tend to have a couple of months where volumes are quite light. But and always, Justin, we are clearly humble enough to realize it's more art than science.

Justin Schack - Rosenblatt Securities

Analyst · Rosenblatt Securities

And I guess just one quick follow-up on the Nordic Cash business. You mentioned all of the steps that you've taken there with Central Counter Party Clearing, getting the INET matching engine there, and that certainly should, and it sounds like it is, attracting more high-frequency players. Typically, what we see, and you guys know this better than I do, in a situation like that is, there tends to be greater impetus for fragmentation. You do have competitors there now. I would imagine that those platforms will also start to look attractive to some of the participants that you're bringing to the marketplace. And so you see maybe some more pressure on market share and pricing. Could you comment on whether you think those pressures are going to increase going forward? And to what extent have you kind of taken some of the pain up front with the pricing hit earlier this year? Or do you foresee any further action on that front?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Rosenblatt Securities

Well, Justin, we think there's wisdom to the pricing action that we've taken, and that we essentially put a fee cap in for the existing players. And they were the beneficiaries of the fee cap during the -- in second quarter. And it's our belief that they are appreciative beneficiaries of the fee cap, and that will seek to have the center hold. And I think we see that. So while we're obviously aware of competition, we think we are the place of liquidity for the Nordic market and we think through the first half of this year, we’ve strengthened our hand in that regard through, as you referenced, in technology and central clearing, but also through the pricing actions that we've put in place.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Michael Wong of Morningstar.

Michael Wong - ThinkEquity

Analyst · Morningstar

You've really been building a competency in power, energy and carbon by acquiring trading and clearing assets in Europe and the U.S. Can you talk a little bit more about your vision for your presence in the Europe the U.S. in that market? Is your vision regulation-dependent? And are you expecting expense and revenue synergies with these acquisitions, let’s say, for infrastructure spend and revenue synergies with your current client base?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morningstar

Well, I would say with respect to U.K. Power, it is clearly not regulation-dependent. And what was interesting to us, we were invited into that market in a real sense, and the invitation came from what we’ll call the natural players in the market, the utilities. And what was interesting also is the strong support from the intermediaries in the market. So we saw that as a broad-based approach to the market. As we look at our power efforts in the U.S., it's similar. It's driven first and foremost by the naturals in the marketplace. So they're not so much regulation-dependent. That being said, I think the move for over-the-counter products to go to clearing and to some sort of transparent trading is a positive driver of customer activity.

Michael Wong - ThinkEquity

Analyst · Morningstar

And going to your Nordic Cash Equities business, about how much of your volume do you believe is affected by the fee cap? And for the future growth of your European cash equities revenue, do see it more driven by new customers, higher volume from current players that haven’t hit the fee cap, the same amount of shares traded, but general appreciation of value traded from just their appreciation in that stock market? Or tech advances, such as high-risk frequency trading and co-lo?

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morningstar

Number one, Miguel, we see, certainly see more participants in the marketplace as the primary driver.

Vince Palmiere

Analyst · Morningstar

All right, operator, that’s -- I think that concludes our call for this morning. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us.

Adena Friedman

Analyst · Morningstar

Thank you, everyone.

Robert Greifeld

Analyst · Morningstar

Thank you. Talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference. You may all disconnect, and have a wonderful day.