Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the NACCO Industries Q1 2020 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Christina Kmetko. Thank you. Please begin.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our 2020 first quarter earnings call. I am Christina Kmetko, and I am responsible for Investor Relations at NACCO Industries. Thank you for joining us this morning. I hope you and your families are all healthy and safe. I will be providing a brief overview of our quarterly results and business outlook, and then I will open up the call for your questions. Joining me today are J.C. Butler, President and Chief Executive Officer of both NACCO and North American Coal, and Elizabeth Loveman, NACCO's Vice President and Controller. Yesterday, we published our first quarter 2020 results and filed our 10-Q. Copies of our earnings release and 10-Q are available on our website. For anyone who is not able to listen to today's entire call, an archived version of this webcast will be on our website later this afternoon and available for approximately 12 months. Our remarks that follow, including answers to your questions, contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements made here today. These risks include, among others, matters that we have described in our earnings release issued last night and in our 10-Q and other filings with the SEC. We disclaim any obligation to update these forward-looking statements, which may not be updated until our next quarterly earnings conference call, if at all. In a moment, I'll discuss our first quarter results, but first let me turn the call over to our President and CEO, J.C. Butler, for some opening remarks. J.C.?

Thank you, Christy. Good morning, everyone. To start off, we'd like to extend our sympathies to everyone that's been affected by this global pandemic, and we want to sincerely thank all of those who are keeping us safe, particularly those in the health care community and first responders. Just what an incredible job they are doing, really deserve all of our appreciation. We would also recognize -- I'd like to recognize our employees who are continuing to deliver coal and limestone to our customers. We couldn't be more pleased with how well our workforce and supervisors are managing through this unprecedented situation and adapting to their changed work environment. We truly appreciate our employees' commitment to supporting our customers while also working diligently to keep everyone safe. As you can imagine, keeping everyone safe and reducing the spread of the coronavirus has been our highest priority, but we also have a responsibility to continue to supply our customers with coal and limestone since both are critical infrastructure industries. A majority of our employees have been reporting to work these last several weeks. We've implemented safeguards in accordance with regulatory requirements and guidance from health authorities to protect those at work and limit their exposure to COVID-19. We're adjusting shift schedules to promote social distancing. We're enhancing cleaning and sanitation of equipment, work areas and common areas. And we're promoting recommended hygiene practices and limiting workplace access. Of course, any of our employees who can work from home are doing so, and we made sure that they have the resources and support to be productive. The investments we've made over the last several years to upgrade our systems and processes largely through IT investments or paying huge dividends for us. We made a lot of these investments to make our systems…

Thanks, J.C. On a consolidated basis, our first quarter consolidated net income decreased to $6.2 million or $0.88 per share from $15 million or $2.15 per share last year. The largest driver of the decrease was a significant reduction in the earnings of the minerals management segment as 2019 benefited from a large number of new gas wells put into commission during 2018 and early 2019. Because new wells have high initial production rates and follow a natural decline before settling into relatively stable long-term production, earnings in the first quarter of 2020 were substantially lower than the first quarter of 2019. Our Coal segment also contributed to the decline in net income. The Coal Mining segment's operating profit was substantially lower than in the prior year first quarter primarily due to a decrease in results at Mississippi Lignite Mining Company, driven by an increase in the cost per ton delivered, a reduction in tons delivered at the unconsolidated operations as a result of changes in customer demand, and an increase in operating expenses. A significant improvement in operating profit in North American Mining primarily due to new mining contracts, and an increase in tons delivered to existing customers partly offset the reduced operating profit in coal and minerals management. Now let me explain what is happening with income taxes. The CARES Act enacted in response to the COVID-19 pandemic contains temporary changes regarding the utilization of net operating losses. The estimated annual effective income tax rate for 2020 includes the benefit of utilizing provisions of the CARES Act and resulted in a tax benefit for the 2020 first quarter despite having pretax income. For the full year, we anticipate that the effective tax will approximate 0. Those are the significant factors affecting first quarter results. Now let me turn…

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Andrew Kuhn.

So you said in your earnings release that Coal Creek Station, and you reiterated it at the beginning of the call, is an efficient, economic and attractive generation asset. And however, the CEO of Great River Energy in the interview, he had said that, "We're not talking about selling Coal Creek for a material price. All of our discussions have been basically giving the plant to somebody, and we've had no takers." So I'm just kind of curious about that, and if you really believe Coal Creek can be economically viable in some other owners' hands? And if so, why do you think Great River Energy is convinced based on a statement that it's effectively worthless?

I mean I don't want to get into a public disagreement with a customer, so let me think about this. I believe -- we believe that it is a very efficient power plant. This power plant has, over the last several years, been dispatched at above 90% of its capacity level, which is an extremely high dispatch rate for a power plant. In order to do so, plant's got to be pretty competitive and pretty economic in order to dispatch at that level. So we think there's some past evidence of its ability to compete. I think there's also different views. And if you do some research, you can read about this. There are different views in the industry, in the utility industry about carbon risk. And there are different views with respect to the need for owned dispatchable generation renewables are intermittent, things like coal, nuclear and combined cycle natural gas are considered dispatchable generation so you can turn them on off as you choose. And so there are different views in the industry with respect to the importance of having dispatchable -- the need to have dispatchable generation available, and those views can vary widely between utilities. And those are among the reasons that I think drive differing views about the importance of having a power plant like this in your fleet. The other thing I'd add is there are also differing different views with regards to the value of capacity in energy markets. And look, I've got to point out, I'm not an energy guy, right? We're miners, but we spend a lot of time trying to learn as much as we can. In the electricity market, there's both energy and capacity. Generators are required to have at least some sort of access to capacity and it needs to be an excess of peak demand. So there are markets for selling energy and there are markets for selling capacity. There are, I think, growing views that the market for capacity is increasing in value. And we'll continue to increase in value as more and more dispatchable generation is taken off-load or taken off-line, right, closing dispatchable power plants. There's -- and you see some of the operators like MISO or SPP and others, you're starting to see them talking about the fact that they're going to award -- give less credit for capacity to renewables and more credit to dispatchable energy because there's -- their growing concerned about the decreasing amount of dispatchable capacity available in the market. So that's sort of driving differing views between utilities about the future value or future cost of buying capacity on the open market. Does that answer your question?

Got it. Yes. Yes, sure. Yes. And then the next -- I only have 2 more and one of them is, in the March investor presentation, you have a slide in there that was showing that NACCO owns 44,860 gross acres of oil and gas interest. And I'm just kind of curious what was behind your decision to disclose the exact number of acres?

Well, it's -- I mean it's a growing part of our business as I'm sure you've seen. It's a question that we have received from a number of people. And we just decided -- we've spent some time studying other companies' disclosures for companies that actually actively -- their sole business is owning royalty interests, mineral interest. And we decided that it made sense to put a number out there, so people could get some sort of indication of what it is that we own. I'd point out that that's a gross acre number. That doesn't necessarily represent our net mineral acreage, which is a different number based on what sort of royalty percentage we get and other things. But it's -- the decision to put it out there was really responding to inquiries about the size of this -- of our reserve base.

Got it. And then my final question is on Catapult Mineral Partners. I'm kind of curious who actually makes the decision to buy stock at Catapult. Is this decision made at the Catapult level? Or is the final buy decision made at the parent company level? And then how do you think we should think about a stock investment made by Catapult? Do you think of purchases of stocks in the energy industry as being just another buy and hold sort of way of diversifying NACCO over time? Like will these be long-term, almost permanent stake? Or will someone at Catapult be actively managing a stock portfolio on like a quarter-by-quarter basis?

We are not setting up a trading floor, absolutely not. Your question about where decisions made, and you're differentiating between Catapult or parent company, I mean I want to make sure you know that we have an incredibly flat organization structure, just as flat as you can possibly imagine. And any kind of decisions like that are made jointly. So I was very actively involved in that decision. It's a new -- this Catapult piece of our Minerals Management business is a new thing for us. Their primary focus as we've described is going to be with respect to buying mineral interest -- managing the mineral interest that we own, first. And then we think that there's really a viable business here to expand that business through owning additional minerals, diversifying into other basins, diversifying the mix of oil and gas and doing so. And really the primary focus is acquiring a diverse portfolio of mineral interest, not stocks. Your question about short term, long term, I mean I said we're not going to have a trading floor. I mean if you -- I think it's pretty consistent when you read our information that we're long-term folks. We made this investment, and it is a small and material investment in a public company. Because we're at a sort of a unique, I think, we're at somewhat of a unique period in time when the values of some of these companies have just been crushed. Yet if you look at what they own, they own exactly what Catapult is trying to do is develop a diverse portfolio of mineral interest. And so buying a small interest in a public company really just allowed us to accelerate the diversification of Catapult by making this small acquisition. It allowed us to get sort of one step removed, I'll admit, but diversification into a lot more basins and diversify our oil and gas mix in a single acquisition as opposed to buying those mineral interests ourself. So we view -- I mean, we spent a lot of time studying a company. We think they've got a similar approach that we do in that they have a pretty conservative view of capital structure. They take a very long-term view of their business. And they, from what we can tell, they've got a pretty disciplined approach to overhead. All of those things fit pretty well with us, and we decided this was not something that we were -- had on our radar screen until we saw what was happening in the market, decided this was a good way to have a different kind of diversification in Catapult, but really the same thing, just diversifying our basins and our mix of oil and gas. Does that answer your question?

Yes, it absolutely does.

Your next question comes from the line of Trey Henninger [ph].

I just wanted to ask first about draglines. A lot of the expansion in the limestone business is regarding the acquisition of draglines. So would be willing to provide some detail about the cost per dragline on average and the expected life of each dragline that you acquire?

Sure. So the business inside North American Mining right now is one where we have developed really kind of industry-leading and somewhat unique expertise in operating draglines to mine lime rock underwater. The dragline, to be clear, is not underwater. The lime rock is. Now the size of a dragline, I mean draglines are very -- there's some very small draglines that have a bucket that can pick up maybe 5 cubic yards. And we operate draglines in our coal business that have buckets that can pick up 125 cubic yards. So the concept of an average price of a dragline is from a few million dollars to in excess of $100 million. Now the largest ones don't really get used in the lime rock business. And in fact a majority of the draglines that are used are sort of in that 5 to 35 cubic yard bucket range, so they're at the lower end. I will tell you that in a number of instances, we don't own the dragline. There are plenty of quarries that we operate where the customer owns the dragline. We have some contracts where there's a management fee where we collect just a fee for the work that's done. And there's some where we get a fixed fee and we pay all the costs and make profits in a more traditional way. And in either of those, the customer could own the dragline or we could own the dragline. So not in every instance do we own the dragline. We have found success in recent years, expanding that business by having draglines available either in our direct ownership, or maybe have an option on a dragline, or maybe have just a lead on a dragline that would be a good fit for a customer's application.…

No, that's very helpful. I think the piece that I'm trying to get at is when we're thinking about the limestone business, you talked a lot about how long-term focused you are. And I was just trying to have an idea for -- that's great information on the cost, but have an idea of what -- how quickly do we have to replace them? These 20-year draglines.

So we operate some draglines that we have been operating for 40 years. A dragline -- and that's in our coal business, right, where we've obviously been operating longer than we have in the lime rock business. We have a philosophy that any tool that you use whether it's a dragline, a truck, piece of excavation equipment, or the hand tools that you use in the mechanic shop. They're tools. They're important parts of our factory, if you want to think of it that way. And so we are absolutely meticulous about maintenance, quite obsessive about our maintenance practices and methods. So a piece of equipment, I mean, it's expensive. It should be taken care of with the proper preventative maintenance to the proper repairs they're needed, be watchful of anything that might look like a weakness. I mean it's no different than on an automobile. If you hear the brake start to squeak, you probably should replace them and not just run them until they're shot. So a dragline, draglines can run for decades. The concept of replacing a dragline is typically done more so with respect -- and especially in the lime rock business. It's done more so with respect to wanting a larger dragline to better meet your capacity needs. Larger dragline can support a larger bucket, which means you can produce more per hour. It's really more about changing draglines to change capacity than it is because they wear out. They don't -- if you maintain them, they don't wear out. If you don't maintain them, it's much more expensive, and you're going to end up replacing it. And in some instances, we have brought in draglines to replace draglines that's just been worn out. Does that address your question?

Yes, that's very helpful. So yes, that's very helpful. One other question. Would you be willing to give additional detail on the -- what appears to be $30 million-ish spending in cash flow on the long-term incentive comp and the payroll liabilities? I was able to trace the $13.4 million of long-term incentive comp, but I'm missing the outstanding around $17 million when I was tracing the 10-Qs back to about 2019 Q1. So I was just wondering if you could give additional detail on maybe what that accounts payable liability was focused on? Is that just normal employee compensation, executive comp? Is that pension liability, something along those lines?

Yes. If you don't mind, I'm going to hand that off to Liz. We typically are all sitting at the same table in these -- for these calls. But we're in Ohio, which is still on remote work, so we're not together. So I'm going to hand that off to Liz.

Thanks, J.C. So I think your question, as you can see the deferred comp, that was $13.5 million approximately we paid out. And you can also see if you look at the balance sheet, the payment of the accrued payroll went from $19.6 million in December to 16 -- or $6.5 million today. And so the remainder was just normal movement of cash flow. There's really nothing else material to talk about. Is that what you're looking for? Or did you have another -- am I not answering your question?

I think really the reason for the question is wondering if this is an expense that we should expect on an annual basis in terms of cash flow? Or is this a cash flow expense that is more onetime? Or does it repeat on a 5-year basis or something along those lines?

No, this would be more onetime. So the deferred comp was expensed several years ago, and that was just a settlement of that liability.

Understood. So then the payroll...

And the same thing with which it says long term. Yes. Same thing. It was the long-term pay. It was the payout of a long-term plan. So it's -- we do -- a piece of it was our current. So there will always be some current piece, but the majority of this was more of a onetime nature item.

Okay. So it was just based on you had some cash available, so is it the time to offset that cash payment? Or it was just in due for the cash payment?

No, it was...

It's in due for the cash payment, correct.

Yes. And it wasn't because we had -- I mean I think what I heard you say is we decided to do this because we had cash sitting around and decided to pay it out. It is not. We terminated some deferred comp plans about the time that we did the Hamilton Beach spin-off and created new long-term incentive plans. And this was -- some of this was related to the payout of those plans as per their terms. This wasn't something that we decided, "Oh gee into 2019, beginning in 2020, let's pay these out." This was sort of as per the termination of plans we paid these at.

And if you look back, you could see we moved that from long term to current about 12 months before it was due. So we -- it was planned. It was a planned payment.

Okay. Yes. I've been able to trace that show up in the current, but just missed the transfer. I'll step back into the queue.

[Operator Instructions]. There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to the presenters.

Thank you very much. We do appreciate everybody joining us today. J.C., did you want to make any final comments before we sign off?

No, Christy, just to thank the callers for their questions.

Yes. Again, thank you. If you do have any follow-up questions, you can reach me at the number that is on our earnings release. Thank you, and have a great day and stay safe.

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