Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Yeah. I do not. I think in the fourth quarter, remember that the fourth quarter for us in that business is generally lower than the third quarter. You know, there is there is a bunch of activity based you know, necessary outcomes, you know, tax filings, and other related things that we do on behalf of our customers. So typically, we see a slight dip in revenue in the fourth quarter in that business. And that is been pretty consistent for the last several years. Think if you are to think about that on a going forward basis, because I think our 8% or 9% growth was a year over year outcome. We would probably be a little bit more tempered for that into 2027, probably think that is more in the sort of 5% to 7% range, going forward next year. We had a really great year this year. Of onboarding some larger plans and some books of business you know, that certain of our adviser partners moved to us early in the year. We would expect some of that for 2027. But, you know, we do not have, you know, sight lines on some of that we might have had a year ago today. Okay. Appreciate that. And then in terms of, you know, just the curious on the driver of payoffs here with regard to loans. You know, is it, you know, higher coupon stuff that is paying off, or, you know, was it just expected you know, maturities and things going to the current market? Any color you can give on the payoff you guys are seeing? Yeah. You know, Steve, we would like to tell you that there is something that is really running the front of that. But I will tell you, you know, just from, you know, our perspective as we have tried to work through that, there is a handful of things which is as rates have inflected up a little bit, you know, we certainly have customers that have decided to use their liquidity, you know, to take the take away maybe a high 6% or 7% yielding instrument on the debt side. The second thing is the asset values have remained very, very high. So we have a number of customers probably in advance of maybe their planning have monetized themselves out of certain assets, whether that be on the real estate side or even on the operating business side. And that continues to be. You know, I there is a lot of investable dollars chasing, you know, return and I think those businesses have been an example of that And from a logical standpoint, we do a fair amount of construction financing. We are essentially at the end of the project or at some general term after the end of the project, we expect to be, you know, taken out as well. And maybe the last thing I have seen, and maybe it is just a couple recent transactions, is some of the people we compete with on the government finance side, on the agency side, have been very, very assertive. You know, We have had a couple instances of being displaced by farm credit in the last quarter. With terms and conditions that may make sense for them from a. For from their entity, but we cannot validate as, you know, as carrying them on the balance sheet of the bank. So, you know, kind of a combination of a lot of things and I think good for us. I think we thought if it was more systematic and, you know, directed at 1 particular cause, we would be. Have a little bit more concern on future growth.