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Northeast Bank (NBN)

Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Sun, Oct 31, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Northeast Bank Fiscal Year 2022 First Quarter Earnings Results Conference Call. This call is being recorded. With us today from the bank is Rick Wayne, President and Chief Executive Officer; JP Lapointe, Chief Financial Officer; and Pat Dignan, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer. Last night, an investor presentation was uploaded to the bank's website, which we will reference in this morning's call. The presentation can be accessed at the Investor Relations section of northeast.com under Events and Presentations. You may find it helpful to download this investor presentation and follow along during the call. Also, this call will be available for rebroadcast on the website for future use. The question-and-answer session for this call will be conducted electronically following the presentation. Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements about Northeast Bank. Forward-looking statements are based upon the current expectations of Northeast Bank's management and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed in the forward-looking statements. Northeast Bank does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Rick Wayne. Please go ahead, sir.

Rick Wayne

Management

Thank you, and good morning. And thank you to all of you for joining us today. As noted, I am Rick Wayne, the Chief Executive Officer of Northeast Bank and with me on the call are JP Lapointe, our Chief Financial Officer; and Pat Dignan, our Chief Credit Officer and Executive Vice President. After my comments, JP, Pat, and I would be happy to answer your questions. And I'd like to start with some comments on our financial highlights which is on Page 3 of the slide deck. First, I'd point out that we earned $9.9 million for the quarter, which was $1.20 per earnings per share. Our return on equity was 16.7% and return on assets was 2.41%, results we were very, very pleased with. If we take a look at our – still on Page 3 at our national lending activity for the quarter, we purchased 35.4 – we invested $35.4 million on the $37 million of UPB and we originated $94.5 million of loans with a weighted average rate of 5.87%. As I've mentioned in previous calls, our originated loans are very predominantly floating rate, tied to prime with floors baked into them and in today's rate environment, 5.87% on new originations was very strong. And those factors contributed to – we put a few different numbers around net interest margin one is kind of a typical one, accounting everything all in, which was 4.74%. But if we take the PPP impact out of that and subject to the language in Footnotes 4, we saw 6% NIM, which kind of would be what would be standard if we didn't have the impact of the PPP activity in that account. On the – our purchased loan return was 9.19%, very, very strong with a fair amount of discount…

Operator

Operator

JP, are you muted? Do you have yourself muted?

Rick Wayne

Management

You know what? I am not sure where JP. Operator, is everyone is still on the call and can you hear me because I can continue with this?

Operator

Operator

Yes. I can see JP, but - and that's why I interjected with are you moderated.

Rick Wayne

Management

Okay.

Operator

Operator

But he doesn't seem to be.

Rick Wayne

Management

Okay. Why don't I – can everyone hear me, though? I am sorry. Everyone listening with the technical difficulty. We are in different places. Operator, can everyone hear me? I can continue.

Operator

Operator

You can go ahead.

Rick Wayne

Management

Okay. Thank you. I won't do as good a job as JP would, but I will try going through these slides and doing this. On Page 20, this is really a great slide on the quarterly cost of deposits. And the green line shows what our average cost of deposits are by quarter. And if we go back a year, it was 1.20%. And then, for the quarter that just finished, our first fiscal quarter, it was 39 basis points that – and we have a little dot there showing 45 basis points, which is what it was at the very last day of the quarter. It's slightly elevated, no doubt because the amount of deposits and the collection account from the Loan Source was probably lower at that point in time, but that is a very good trajectory that we are working on. If we go to Slide 21, and I've talked about this before as has JP. One of our objectives is to change the composition of our liabilities and reduce the amount of higher cost deposits, both through ableBanking and on the bulletin board, which is a place that banks and others – mostly banks, would buy CDs from us using our products as part of their treasury function and increasing the amount of deposits in our community banking division. And so, if we look at the top of the Slide 21, you can see that if we compare the year September 30, 2020, with just the September 30, 2021, that our deposits in our community banking division have grown $174 million. And the deposits in the ableBanking, which are higher priced have been reduced by $120 million, and on the rate board or bulletin board by $63 million. We just think that's really, really great and it's a lot of work by our folks and our community banking division in Maine to do that. And we have reorganized that group. We have a person in charge of business banking where we are seeking deposits from businesses in Maine and generally without big borrowing needs, we have a higher – the former deputy treasurer in Maine to go after municipal deposits, which we've had great success in. And we have a whole program to try and bring in retail deposits as well. So, and then I'll just finally comment, if you look at the bottom of Page 21 that our checking deposits have – accounts are up $148 million year-to-year. And you can see the higher-priced money market below and the CDs are down in the aggregate about $205 million.

JP Lapointe

Management

Rick, can you hear me now?

Rick Wayne

Management

I can, but I was on such a role, but please come and take over.

JP Lapointe

Management

Keep going if you want.

Rick Wayne

Management

I am muting. You can start on Slide 22, please.

JP Lapointe

Management

Thank you, Rick. Sorry about that. Turning to Slide 22, this slide shows the changes in our deposit portfolio and annualized interest expense monthly over the past year, while also displaying the impact of the PPP collection account, which impacts our short-term investments and deposit balances and is subject to significant fluctuation. This slide also excludes the impact of $400 million of short-term brokered CDs that were taken out in January 2021 to help fund PPP loans and matured during the quarter ended March 31, 2021. The rate on the brokered CDs was 15 basis points, and this funding source is not expected to be recurring, which is why it has been excluded from the analysis. Over the past year, we have generated approximately $5.6 million in annualized interest expense savings in our deposit portfolio, decreasing from $10.4 million in October 2020 to just $4.8 million in September of 2021. Moving ahead to Slide 24, this slide provides detail on our potential additional future interest expense savings on our CD portfolio, of which $191 million is scheduled to mature within the next twelvemonths. Based on the current weighted average interest rate of 1.17%, this cost amounts to $2.2 million in annual interest expense. Slide 25 shows our quarterly revenues over the past five quarters, which when you exclude the PPP gains have increased by $1.9 million from the linked quarter and increased by $6.8 million from the comparable prior year quarter. Additionally, our non-interest expense has increased $3.9 million from the linked quarter and $3.4 million from the comparable prior year quarter. This increase from the linked quarter is primarily related to an increase of $2.6 million in salary and benefit expense, primarily related to lower deferred salary contract expense during the current quarter due to minimal PPP originations during…

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] And we have a first question from Alex Twerdahl from Piper Sandler. Mr. Twerdahl, please go ahead.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys.

Rick Wayne

Management

Good morning, Alex.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Good morning. First off, JP, I was hoping you could just go back to the expense commentary that you had and I know there is a couple of things in there that are kind of, I am not sure if non-recurring is the right term, but I think you said $1.6 million related to the wrap-up of the PPP program. Can you just confirm that that's the end of that expense? Or is there anything that's going to linger into the – into subsequent quarters? And then, I also wanted to ask about anything else like, I know the – this agreement that you announced, this – the new SBA program that you announced during the quarter was going to have a shared marketing expenses. Is there anything associated with that program that's already in the expense line or anything that we should be thinking about for future quarters?

JP Lapointe

Management

On your first question, that is correct. That is the end of expenses related to the PPP activity. There is nothing that will be incurred going forward as part of that. And as far as the shared marketing expenses as part of the 7(a) program, there is some small dollars or some expenses related to getting the system up and running that was incurred in Q1, but small dollars that we've incurred to date as part of the 7(a) arrangement that we have with NEWITY.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then, as I think about just sort of the right runrate for expenses going into the next quarter, I know that salaries and benefits and comp expenses were elevated in the third quarter. Is that going to settle back down?

JP Lapointe

Management

Slightly, some of the stock comp was fully expensed during Q1, so there will be a little bit coming out of there that won't be incurring going forward. As far as the bonus and salary goes, the bonus where we come up with an estimate at the beginning of the year and we typically true it up at the end of the year, but compared to the same quarter last year, our base bonus assumptions are higher than where we were a year ago. So, we expect that to stay flat during the year. And salaries, our headcount is just up a little bit from last year, also taking into account raises that we do in Q1 during the current year. But one thing that was incurred during the current quarter that will come out is, when we pay our bonus in Q1 every year, we do have some elevated payroll taxes that come into that quarter. So that will come out from future quarters.

Rick Wayne

Management

Hey, JP. Alex, we are in different places. So we are going to try and work through this together. JP, we have non-interest expense for the quarter of $13.3 million.

JP Lapointe

Management

Correct.

Rick Wayne

Management

So I am just looking at the press release. And we have $1.6 million that is, Alex asked about that is going away, which I think gets us to $11.7 million. Out of the $11.7 million, how much of that – those roughly so we can give some sense of those expenses you are describing kind of the bonus and payroll taxes and how much of that is one-time in the quarter?

JP Lapointe

Management

Probably, $400,000 to $500,000.

Rick Wayne

Management

So, it kind of gets us to $11.2 million. And then we had some – well, we have some ongoing marketing relating to the 7(a). How much was that?

JP Lapointe

Management

That was pretty small dollars that we incurred in the quarter. I don't have the exact number, but fairly small so – we've done so far.

Rick Wayne

Management

So, as we're thinking on the fly and this, I think, is safely to say from the numbers are here, Alex, it looks like $11 million kind of runrate when you knock out those items. I think that was with some more granularity of your question.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

That's very helpful. Thank you. And then, I wanted to switch gears to the organic loan growth. I saw some really nice generation again in that national CRE generation platform. I was hoping maybe you can give us some sort of sense for where the pipeline is and sort of what you are seeing in that portfolio. I know that you did some hiring in some new geographies and kind of where you are in terms of getting some new geographies up and running with the national CRE origination book.

Rick Wayne

Management

I would love to talk about that, Alex, because there is a lot going on in that. As you noted in your report, there is always a lot going on in our company. We've really had a big focus on the – growing our originated book. And I'll just remind if there is some on the call that don't recall, we hired a new person. And these are all senior business development folks in Miami and another one in Southern California, both places where we have a meaningful portfolio. And then, we have two in New York. These are kind of outside business development officers and of course, we have a lot of organic growth from existing customers and then other borrowers who know Northeast Bank, and they are not coming in through a business development officer. So, $95 million of originations, we thought was a really great number. Our pipeline is robust. We love the business. We're in low LTVs with spreads over prime, floors structured with special purpose entities, generally bankruptcy remote with typically, sometimes recourse, but if not recourse, carve-out guarantees from usually substantial individuals or entities and our borrowers are – I don't want to use the word sophisticated, because that's not what I mean, but they know what they are doing. And the way that our deals are structured generally, all of the loans to one borrower and as the guidance lines and portfolio finance or cross-collateralized and cross-defaulted, so they are highly motivated to pay their loans. We haven't lost $0.01 of principal in our originators’ book. And so, that's a great business. Your question is what's the pipeline, the pipeline, as I mentioned, is robust. And I would expect to continue to see very solid numbers in there. What we also saw in the quarter, we had, I would describe as an average quarter on the purchase side, $35 million and it’s sort of disappointing, because we had a lot of payoffs in there. The net loan growth was only $3 million in that. And I – but I would say that the purchase, as I've said ad nauseam, almost, the purchased loan business is lumpy and it really or how we're doing, and we need to kind of evaluate, kind of on a year-by-year basis, not a quarterly basis. And I have a high level of confidence that we will put some good numbers on the scoreboards in that business. Probably, I mentioned before with all the capital we have, even if we bid loans, which we need to sometimes to win them at with much less discount than we would previously get, we are looking if we can buy loans with low LTV, short duration and just a respectable yield given all of the capital we have, it's just incrementally profitable. And I suspect we're going to start to see some of that being booked as we move through the current quarter and following quarters.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

That's really helpful. I mean, just kind of elaborating a little bit on the purchased portfolio. It strikes me that, one, we are now getting to the phase for a lot of these COVID-related deferrals where they are the deferral periods are ending. And I know that a lot of these portfolios have performed very well for banks across the industry. But I am curious if we're going to start to see some loan sales and reduced concentrations in some lines where banks kind of look back a year later and say, well, maybe we don't want to be as heavy in this type of loan following what happened over the last year. And the other thing in the industry that – is all the M&A activity. And can you just sort of remind us, when you're looking at these loans, where there – and you sort of see where they're coming from, how much of it might be generated by M&A activity and when two banks come together and they look at their combined portfolio, there is a need to reduce concentrations on various asset classes. Is that something that you would expect to drive volume in future quarters?

Rick Wayne

Management

You wouldn't expect so, because that historically isn't what happened. It's not what happened in the first quarter to any meaningful degree. You would expect that to happen. You hear that – and you know better than I do that there is – expect that there will be a fair amount of M&A activity and you would expect that to happen. And so, we'll see. Where – we do see where the potential is for kind of bigger transactions for us are, some of the big banks hold sales, I mean, every year, a couple of sales a year of some meaningful volume. And we are starting to see that. We're continuing to see that, I should say more accurately.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

And so those banks that typically sell loans are continuing to, I know loan growth has been challenged across the industry. I am wondering if a need to retain assets has changed the way other banks think about their desire to sort of hold those sales.

Rick Wayne

Management

I think that is a true statement that, in some cases, and you just read it an American bank or see with what's going on, banks are having trouble generating assets. There is always articles about that. And I just want to pause and make a self-serving statement in that regard. I think one of the things that we like to highlight and I think it's important when we – people think about our companies, think about us as an asset generator. One of the – I can't recall if we went over the stat in the prepared remarks, but apart from the growth on linked quarter, if you take a look at our growth in our national lending business, so that means purchased loans and originated loans, either portfolio finance or directly originated. And you take at the – you look at the average balance for the quarter that just ended with the average balance for the same quarter one year ago, it's up almost 18%. And I think you would know that's a big deal. I don't think many banks are doing that. When you look at – and we do report this way, because people want to hear it's appropriate. If you just look at a point in time quarter-to-quarter, we have one big loan that pays off and doesn't really reflect what the averages were. But almost a bit more, it's like 17.8%, when I say almost 18%, I don't mean 14%, I mean, like 17.8 - 17.8% or thereabouts. That is really great growth average balance to average balance and that's what we're able to do as a company is generate assets. What we want to do is slow down paydowns, of course. But now to your question, a whole bunch of banks that don't want to sell loans, because they're having trouble generating assets. And yet there are other big banks that come out with – for us what would be meaningful transactions during the year, two times, three times, et cetera. And because we have so much capital and because our funding cost is so incredibly low now, that we can bid much more, when I say aggressively not on collateral value, we want that to be really rock solid, but giving up some yield, because it's incrementally profitable for us. And I expect we'll see more of that.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Right. A final question for me is just on the pace of buybacks that we saw during the quarter slowed down a little bit. I was just wondering, is that a function of an appetite for repurchases? Or is it more of a function of what you are able to actually accomplish given liquidity in the market?

Rick Wayne

Management

No. It's more a function of where the price is than anything. We could – you just take a look at – let me put that on a full sentence. So it's really that our appetite at certain price levels. We ended the quarter with tangible book at around $29 and the average was just under $30 on the buyback, that's where we are. It's not like we are not really – there is not a lot of volume in trading our stock. And so, last time we had the buyback, we went up buying a lot of shares at – I think, at $13 or something like that. And while our stock price is substantially higher than that now, it's not impossible that our stock price could go down further. I was looking at it now, what I thought was a really great quarter we had, but this obviously, I am not objective because we're down today on, I mean, we're down $1.70 on 59,000 shares. So we're kind of looking at where the stock price where our appetite would be.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. So the buyback, depending on the stock price, you intend to remain active with the buyback and at least reduce the shares that you issued during the quarter?

Rick Wayne

Management

We had about 700,000 shares remaining in the buyback. I could be up a little bit, but we have that. And then we have a lot of capital. And so, at the right price, we were most likely be a buyer.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Thanks for taking my questions.

Rick Wayne

Management

Those were good ones. Thanks – thank you, Alex.

Operator

Operator

Okay. [Operator instructions] Okay. And since there are no other questions coming in, I will now turn the call over to Rick Wayne for closing remarks.

Rick Wayne

Management

Thank you very much. Thank you. For those of you on the call, I think at the next call, we're going to find out what happened to JP, where he went. I might – it's either a technology problem or he has a beautiful, little son named Miles, who has just turned three, and maybe he got distracted. We don't know. But he did a great job coming back better than I would have. In any case, look forward to talking again in January after our December 31 quarter. It's a little bit early for this, but I wish all of you happy holidays as we move through Thanksgiving and the holidays in December. And on that note, I would say goodbye to you. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.