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National Bank Holdings Corporation (NBHC)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 28, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the National Bank Holdings Corporation 2025 Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. My name is Rachel, and I will be your conference operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I will now turn the call over to Emily Gooden, Chief Accounting Officer and Director of Investor Relations.

Emily Gooden

Analyst

Thank you, Rachel, and good morning. We will begin today's call with prepared remarks, followed by a question-and-answer session. I would like to remind you that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to, statements regarding the company's strategy, loans, deposits, capital, net interest income, noninterest income, margins, allowance, taxes and noninterest expense. Actual results could differ materially from those discussed today. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors which are disclosed in more detail in the company's most recent filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. These statements speak only as of the date of this call, and National Bank Holdings Corporation undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements. In addition, the call today will reference certain non-GAAP measures which National Bank Holdings Corporation believes provides useful information for investors. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the GAAP measures are provided in the news release posted on the Investor Relations section of www.nationalbankholdings.com. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over and introduce National Bank Holdings Corporation's Chairman and CEO, Mr. Tim Laney.

Tim Laney

Analyst

Well, thank you, Emily. Good morning, and thank you for joining us as we discuss National Bank Holdings' Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 financial performance. I'm joined by John Steinmetz, our Executive Vice Chair and Executive Managing Director of Strategic Initiatives; our President, Aldis Birkans; John Finn, our Chief Enterprise Technology Officer; and of course, our Chief Financial Officer, Nicole Van Denabeele. I'll begin this morning by extending a very warm welcome to our new Vista teammates who joined the NBH family earlier this month. Turning to the fourth quarter and full year 2025. While the fourth quarter was noisy, we ended the year having grown tangible book per share by 10%, and we grew our CET1 capital ratio to 14.89%. I'm pleased with our swift closure of the Vista Bank acquisition and believe our combined organization will produce powerful results, results that Nicole will guide us through when she presents. It was a noisy fourth quarter with onetime acquisition costs, the strategic sale of securities and a move to put any lingering problem loans behind us. Our goal was to enter 2026 with a clean slate and with a focus on profitable growth. I'll touch on 2UniFi later in the call, but share for now that we're pleased to have completed Phase 1 of the 2UniFi build. And we're joined by John Finn, who co-leads 2UniFi, and he'll cover our progress in detail in just a bit. Before I hand off to Nicole, I also want to complement our bankers on their deposit and loan pricing discipline, which led us to close out the year with a net interest income margin of 3.97%. I believe we are set up for a beautiful 2026. Nicole?

Nicole Van Denabeele

Analyst

Thank you, Tim, and good morning. Today, I'll review the fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial highlights and provide guidance for 2026. Our guidance reflects the combined organization, and consistent with past practice, excludes the impact of any future Fed rate decisions. In 2025, we executed on key strategic priorities. We announced and have now closed the Vista acquisition within 4 months, grew tangible book value by 10% and delivered a full year net interest margin of 3.94%. Fourth quarter's results were impacted by elevated provision expense and onetime items, including $4.1 million in after-tax acquisition costs and a $2.6 million after-tax loss on the strategic sale of investment securities to remain below $10 billion in assets at year-end. As a reminder, this action will preserve approximately $10 million in interchange income for 1 more year. Excluding onetime items, fourth quarter net income totaled $22.7 million or $0.60 of earnings per diluted share. As Tim shared, we addressed the specific set of problem loans during the quarter. This resulted in $9.1 million of provision expense related to charge-offs and specific reserves. For the full year 2025 on an adjusted basis, net income totaled $117.6 million or $3.06 of earnings per diluted share. Return on tangible assets was 1.3%, and return on tangible common equity was 12.2%. During 2025, we maintained a top quartile full year net interest margin of 3.94%, generated $1.6 billion of new loan originations, executed share buybacks and added to our robust capital base. We are pleased to have added a number of experienced bankers to our team through the Vista acquisition. We kick off the year with a combined loan portfolio of approximately $9.4 billion and are projecting 2026 loan growth to be approximately 10%. At acquisition closing, we added approximately $2.4 billion of earning…

John Steinmetz

Analyst

Thank you, Nicole, and good morning. On behalf of the Vista team, our state and our NBH family, I am pleased to have successfully merged our organization with National Bank Holdings Corporation and honored to be joining you on today's call. As the newest member of National Bank Holdings, I am fired up about the future of our combined companies. We have partnered with a dynamic, high-performing team and platform, and I believe there is a tremendous potential for our combined organization. It hasn't taken long to have my instincts confirmed that our companies are ideal partners for our shareholders and team members alike. With its strong leadership, consistent discipline around credit, and a vision to create one of the most respected and profitable financial institutions in the country, NBH has built a platform that is uniquely positions our company for strong continued organic and strategic growth. As a part of the NBH family, we are excited to have the opportunity to offer expanded services, such as wealth management and trust services and enhanced treasury management offering, added mortgage products, and a bigger balance sheet to support the growth of our valued clients. This broader product set will strengthen our relationships, deepen wallet share and enable our exceptional bankers company-wide to better serve our clients through their financial life cycle. We are also honored that Tim and the Board made the decision to adopt the Vista name as the go-forward brand in our diversified markets. It provides our combined teams a unified front and is a name that works well in both English and Spanish, further enforcing our commitment to taking the long view of better serving our clients in the future. With $2.7 trillion GDP, Texas is one of the fastest-growing economies, larger than most countries and consistently outperforming…

Aldis Birkans

Analyst

All right. Thanks, John, and good morning. I'll begin by highlighting what was a strong loan production quarter. We originated $591 million in total loans, the second highest loan production quarter in our company's history. I believe that performance is a direct reflection of our franchise strength and capability of our bankers. What I'm most proud of is the composition of that production. $429 million of that came from commercial loan originations, a new record for us. This drove our commercial loan portfolio growth to nearly 8% annualized. This is high-quality, relationship-driven business that proves we are winning in our core markets. During the fourth quarter, we continued to see pressure on our commercial real estate loan balances. This decline was mostly driven by accelerated payoffs as clients move toward alternative funding like private credit, REITs and life insurance companies. As a result, we improved our nonowner-occupied CRE to capital ratio to a low 127%. And when we factor in the Vista balance sheet, we are starting the year comfortably below the 200% threshold, which gives us meaningful runway for growth moving forward. From a credit perspective, Tim and Nicole have already walked you through the actions we took during the fourth quarter, so I'll just simply add this. My expectation is that our asset quality metrics will continue their positive trends, returning to top quartile performance in 2026. I'm also very pleased to be working alongside John Steinmetz as we expand our footprint in Texas and key resort markets. And together, we expect to deliver our 2026 targets, driven by profitable and prudent growth. When you combine the Vista merger with our planned organic growth across all markets and recognize that we have reached our turning point for 2UniFi, the stage is set for a very compelling 2026. With that, I will turn it back to Tim.

Tim Laney

Analyst

Thank you, Aldis. I'll share a few thoughts on 2UniFi before handing off to John Finn. First, I want to congratulate the 2UniFi team on completing the Phase 1 build. Second, make no mistake. During 2026, there will be an intense focus on new client activation and growing revenue. And finally, our goal is before year-end to have entered into a partnership that will meaningfully reduce NBH's 2UniFi investment run rate. With that said, I'll turn the call over to John Finn. John?

John Finn

Analyst

Thank you, Tim. Today, I'm pleased to share more about the journey of 2UniFi as we unlock the future of small business banking. Last quarter, we reached a significant milestone with the launch of our SBA working capital loan, integrated seamlessly into our platform alongside our innovative business suite deposit account. This achievement is a key moment in Phase 1 of our multiyear strategy. Imagine a world where a small business owner can log in once and see their entire financial landscape, accounts, cash balances and lending options, all in 1 unified view. We are revolutionizing the client experience well beyond traditional online banking, creating a seamless platform that helps a small business owner manage financial products and services across multiple banks and fintechs. With our integrated digital passport, we have transformed the application and onboarding process. Clients can provide their information once and eliminate the need to reenter it for additional products, whether opening an interest-bearing account or applying for a loan. Our innovative passport will ultimately enable business owners to effectively shop for financial services across a broad set of financial service providers. Now that our foundational infrastructure is in place, we are shifting gears from constructing systems to activating services. We're launching with 2 essential capabilities that small business owners need, beginning with a convenient access to SBA working capital loans, as well as an automated nightly suite that earns interest on excess deposits, which is functionality typically reserved for larger mid-market clients. Our custom middleware and microservices architectures enables us to deliver advanced features like real-time event notifications and tailored communications. Clients receive faster decisions with clear and concise updates, saving time and reducing stress for business owners. Our vision has always been clear: To build an integrated and seamless technology platform, not just another digital…

Tim Laney

Analyst

All right. Well, thank you, John. We've covered a lot of ground this morning. So Rachel, I'll go ahead and ask you to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jeff Rulis with D.A. Davidson.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Nicole, that was a whirlwind of updates. If I could just rattle through a couple. Just to confirm, you said 10% loan growth in '26 off the combined $9.4 billion balance, a margin for the full year near 4%, earnings over $1 in the fourth quarter and over $4 in '27. Is that right?

Nicole Van Denabeele

Analyst

That is correct.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Okay. And on the 2UniFi front, I think you said $2 million to $4 million in revenue this year. What was the cost again for '26?

Nicole Van Denabeele

Analyst

Yes. So that's correct, $2 million to $4 million 2UniFi revenue projection for 2026, and we will be holding 2UniFi expense flat in 2026, consistent with 2025, which was $22 million.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Got it. And then it sounds like the partnership developing to sort of reduce those investment costs. I guess the leverage of the model into '27 is a little bit TBD, but I guess the focus is as you scale it up, that's more of a breakeven-type climate in '27. Just -- I know that were -- all this is developing, but trying to get a sense for what the '27 economics look like?

Tim Laney

Analyst

Look, I think what we should share with you is that right now, we are incredibly focused on Phase 1 product activation with clients and driving revenue and really testing the market with those services. Number two, as I shared, we are very focused on working to establish a partnership that frankly could have the effect, amongst other options, of moving this off the NBH financials altogether, where we would remain a meaningful investor as shareholders, but it would be treated in a very different fashion financially. But I'll come back to the first point, which is our focus today is on client activation and scaling this business, and we'll come back to you. It's just too early to come back to you with any kind of definitive targets on '27.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Yes. No, that's helpful, Tim. Just the range of options, including moving the -- off the financials of the bank entirely, we'll stay tuned. Maybe the -- just to pivot on to the credit side, the 3 loans that made up the bulk of the net charge-offs. Could you kind of identify the sort of category and why that group? Any systemic -- it sounds as if you expect credit metrics to further improve in '26. Just trying to get a sense for what was charged off.

Tim Laney

Analyst

If you'll recall, at the beginning of '25, we literally were dealing with less than a handful of relationships that had emerged as problems. We really were in the belief that over the course of '25, they would work their way through the judicial process, and we would have them resolved, and that simply wasn't the case. The decision -- we believe a prudent decision was to address these as aggressively as we could in '25 and have a clean runway for '26. We're just not believers in letting problems like this linger. And the Board and I felt like this was the correct and prudent action to take, even though it obviously was painful to take here in the fourth quarter of last year, but it feels good -- very good to put it behind us.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Kelly Motta with KBW.

Kelly Motta

Analyst · KBW.

Maybe to kick it off with growth. I know we talked about 2025 year being -- working through some credits and impacted by some payoffs and refinancings, but it sounds like the outlook for '26 is really strong in part with your Vista partnership that you just brought on. As you look to, I think it was 10% loan growth, can you speak to the drivers of that growth, if that's significantly Texas and other markets where you're seeing opportunities just given the acceleration from what we've seen in the past several quarters?

Aldis Birkans

Analyst · KBW.

Yes, this is Aldis. I'll kick off, and then I'll have John chime in. But yes, it's a combination of all the markets and certainly, the continuation of the strong production we saw in the fourth quarter. As I mentioned, it was our second highest loan production quarter for NBH stand-alone basis. In our company's history, we did really well on originating commercial loans. If you look at the C&I in the table, that grew north of 10% annualized. So we do see a very good momentum going into this year. And certainly, adding markets like Texas and the expertise and teammates that we are adding through this acquisition is great. And John, maybe you can add on that front as well as touch on the resort markets.

John Steinmetz

Analyst · KBW.

Sure. Thanks, Aldis. And yes, Kelly, we're really excited about the future growth potential, not only in Texas, but the resort markets, in all the markets, candidly. I'm looking forward to getting to know the team members throughout all of the NBH markets. And we believe in Texas that this platform that was built at NBH provides us not only the balance sheet that we need to continue to grow with our valued clients, but support our exceptional bankers. And to Aldis' point, we also have always believed that NBH has an incredible opportunity in the resort markets. Resort markets that, again, were once seen as second homes, but are now becoming primary residents in places where people want to have their local bank. And I hope at this time next quarter, you'll see some performance-driven metrics and increase shareholder value around that. But the platform that we have at NBH as a team is going to provide -- not only allow us to support the continued 20-plus percent CAGR on deposits and loan growth that we've historically had, but it's also going to allow us to overcome a lot of the lack of fee income which Vista Bank has historically struggled with.

Kelly Motta

Analyst · KBW.

Got it. That's really helpful. Maybe bouncing to a question on the margin. It was down this quarter a bit more than I had expected. With the loan yields, were there any interest reversals given what you had with credit? And I appreciate the guide in the mid-3.90s too is ex rate cuts, but just -- if you could refresh us on -- clearly, I think there was some initial asset sensitivity, so how we should be thinking through that?

Nicole Van Denabeele

Analyst · KBW.

Yes. Kelly, this is Nicole. Yes, I'll just reiterate. So our December margin did come in at a strong 3.97%. We have managed, in our view, very well through 75 basis points of rate cuts in 2025. We experienced -- we drove 9 basis points of margin expansion even with those rate cuts this year. There wasn't any interest reversals in the fourth quarter, and the loans that we worked through were already on nonaccrual. But I will just -- just to reiterate, we've done a nice job with our deposit pricing for prior rate cuts. We cut deposit price -- we cut our deposit rates ahead of the Fed. This time, we held and we waited until we knew exactly what the Fed was going to do. And so that did cause that lag and drag effect, but we have overcome that and finished the year with a strong margin of 3.97%.

Kelly Motta

Analyst · KBW.

Great. Last one, if I could slip in just one more. On the 2UniFi guide, the expense guide that -- flat at $22 million. I just wanted to confirm because you alluded to a potential partnership that could change the economics here, that, that didn't bake in any potential impacts of maybe offloading some of those expenses, one? And then two, with it flat, I imagine getting -- increasing the user base is an important part of driving those revenues higher. And so I'm surprised it's flat. So I guess, if you could kind of speak to how you guys are thinking about that line item, given that we're not really seeing a change from last year?

Nicole Van Denabeele

Analyst · KBW.

Yes. I appreciate you asking that question. I think it's important to note, we see 2026 as a turning point for 2UniFi. And as I shared, we are seeing operating leverage from 2025 from 2UniFi in 2026. So the revenue guide is an increase from last year. So $2 million to $4 million revenue guide, positive impact from 2025. And then holding expenses flat, it's actually very significant that we're holding expenses flat because we will have a full year of capitalized asset depreciation in 2026. And so that expense flat includes that uptick in depreciation, which is half of the 2026 expenses. And then to your point on the partnership. So no potential -- the partnership really from a financial perspective is all upside, and none of that has been included in our guidance for 2026.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Andrew Terrell with Stephens.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst · Stephens.

First one, just to clarify, Nicole. On the margin, was the 3.97% -- was that spot at the end of the year or 3.97% for the full month of December?

Nicole Van Denabeele

Analyst · Stephens.

3.97% was for the full month of December.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst · Stephens.

Okay. And then do you have the -- it sounds like there was a lag here where assets reprice quite a bit quicker than deposits. Do you have where deposits, either spot or interest-bearing -- I mean, either total or interest-bearing were either in the month of December or on a spot basis at the end of the quarter?

Aldis Birkans

Analyst · Stephens.

Yes. This is Aldis. It was [ 182 ] is the spot deposit cost at the end of December for NBH. But I recall now starting in Q1 or starting now, obviously, we're incorporating all of the Vista deposit base as well. So it will change into Q2. But I think what you're getting at is how spot margin is around 4% if you incorporate all of the benefit from deposit bleed through in December.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst · Stephens.

Yes. Yes. Got it. Okay. If I could ask just around the 2UniFi, specifically the partnership. If I go back to October, Tim, when we talked about on the call, it sounded like you were maybe pretty close on announcing something from a partnership standpoint. It sounds like now, that's still likely but maybe delayed a bit. I guess I'm curious what's kind of causing a delay here or if there is a delay in your mind?

Tim Laney

Analyst · Stephens.

I may have made a mistake in sharing as much as I did at that point candidly. It perhaps even reflected too much optimism, and I could kick myself for that. I believe we were further along in consummating a partnership there. But frankly, when you're involving 2 parties, you can have different needs, expectations on either side that may not come together in the time frame that you expected. So what you need to hear from me today is that we are intensely focused on bringing the right partnership together and moving 2UniFi ahead. And frankly, we are proud to be targeting a $4 run rate in our earnings in '27. But imagine what that looks like if we're pulling those expenses of 2UniFi in all or in part off of our income statement. So we're highly motivated to see something happen there.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst · Stephens.

Yes. Got it. And last for me, was there any -- I appreciate that 2UniFi guide, but was there any revenue in the fourth quarter realized? And then just on the buyback that you guys announced, maybe Tim, if you could speak to kind of the appetite there?

Nicole Van Denabeele

Analyst · Stephens.

Yes. I can touch on the 2UniFi revenue question. So we did have some revenue related to 2UniFi in the fourth quarter, but it wasn't meaningful. And then the second part was the appetite for share buyback.

Tim Laney

Analyst · Stephens.

We have a strong interest in share buybacks. I believe, you know, we literally just announced a $100 million buyback authorization. And we have a -- frankly, we would consider it a priority at this point.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Brett Rabatin with Hovde Group.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Wanted to -- I joined a little bit late, Tim, but I wanted just to go back to -- you guys have had really strong loan originations, particularly here lately. But again, obviously, the net growth has been limited due to payoffs. Can you talk maybe a little bit about what you've experienced -- or what you experienced during 4Q in terms of payoff activity and how that played out? And then just your confidence for '26, if I heard correct, 10% loan growth. Is there a net and gross assumption there? Or any thoughts on confidence on payoffs diminishing relative to what you experienced the past few quarters in particular?

Tim Laney

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Aldis did touch on what we were seeing with insurance competition in the private debt market. But let's be candid. All banks -- or most banks would be facing that competition. I'll tell you, there were just a number of situations where the kind of structures that were being put together and the pricing related to those deals just simply did not fit within our risk management framework. And so we're more than willing to let that business move along. But I think the broader context is the whole year, where we entered 2025 with, frankly, a risk-off mindset, having concerns about tariffs, having concerns about where the economy would land. And I would tell you that, that risk off position that we took was somewhat pervasive throughout the year to a point where when it was time to really turn things back on, I'm proud of the team's production, but I would tell you it was being done in a very, very conservative atmosphere. We come into '26 really with the combined forces of form a Vista and NBH. And as we lay out these growth plans that we shared for you, Aldis and John have expressed nothing but very high confidence that we will meet, if not beat them. So with that, I'll open it up first. Maybe you, Aldis, just for more detail on the fourth quarter. But then in terms of growth here in '26, John, Aldis, feel free to jump in on that as well.

Aldis Birkans

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Yes. Brett, what I would add is, looking ahead in 2026, one thing that is a bit different in addition to what Tim was mentioning in terms of, again, like transportation or trucking is a segment we definitely exited, and that was a headwind. We are where we want to be. So that's not going to be a headwind in 2026. The other thing I'll say is -- and again, this is on NBH's legacy book side, but we have approximately $0.25 billion to almost $300 million of less scheduled maturities this year than it was last year. So that's less of a, call it, headwind return that we have to overcome to again, grow even with the same production results. So John, anything that you'd add on from legacy Vista side?

John Steinmetz

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Sure. Well, Brett, thanks for the question. And let me say, I'm optimistic and very excited about '26. We have consistently put up a 23% CAGR in loan growth without the balance sheet that NBH provides us. And so we think that this was the perfect partnership. We see tremendous opportunities in these resort markets. But I am very confident and have always believed that the reason people first matters is because the best clients follow the best bankers, and we are committed to continuing to not only augment and support our exceptional team members at Vista and the entire NBH family, but also recruit and retain through the disruption that we see not only today, but throughout Texas. This was a merger of two incredible teams, and I'm incredibly optimistic and expect to win. And with respect to a question that was asked earlier, I believe, by Jeff with D.A. Davidson, I want you all to know that we take great pride in our credit quality. And for, I hope, our credit team that is listening today at Vista -- legacy Vista, I'm still getting used to this -- they know how much pride we take in pricing with credit quality second to none, and I have an extraordinary amount of confidence in Rick, Danny and the credit team at NBH. We did our reverse diligence and examined NBH's because I assure you, they did theirs on us, much like a proctology exam. And I am very proud to be partnering with this excellent credit quality minded organization because I don't think they kick the can down the road, and I'm fired up about '26.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst · Hovde Group.

That's really helpful. I'm sorry?

John Steinmetz

Analyst · Hovde Group.

I was just saying as a shareholder and team member.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Yes. Okay. That's all really helpful. And I think most investors are going to give you guys credit for the credit situation as being truly one-off. So I don't think anybody is concerned about that. The other question I wanted to ask you, John, was just I think you're kind of known as a recruiter and you got this deal with NBH, but there's been significant disruption in a lot of the markets of the core operating pro forma company. Just wanted to hear if you had offers out or if there was a hiring effort pro forma, or if it's too early, and you're just still trying to combine everything before you maybe go too much on offense with market share opportunities related to disruption? And just any thoughts on how you see that playing out?

John Steinmetz

Analyst · Hovde Group.

And Brett, I appreciate that question. And I'll tell you, this is my first public earnings call, and Tim told me not to make promises I can't keep, but I'll tell you this. We are actively recruiting, but I'll tell you, we are actively retaining. Like I said, most of our team members have been together for 20 years, and I take so much joy in knowing that we have the best bankers providing these. The opportunities and the inbound calls that we're receiving, not from recruiters, but from bankers at the organizations in Texas and beyond to be a part of a culture that puts their people first is something like I've never seen. And I'm excited for my friends in Texas that announced the deal today, but I can assure you, I am recruiting. And I think we all should be in this incredibly crowded industry, where we all eat out of each other's dog bowl. So I think that '26 could be a really good year if we're willing to dig in. And I'm excited about digging in with the team that we've had in the past, and more importantly, getting out and getting to know the NBH team that I have had a deep level of respect. This merger took place over 5 years of getting to know Tim, Aldis and the entire NBH team. And for -- if you would, Brett, just allow me to thank the team at Vista for their patience as we explore various opportunities. But we think this is a perfect partnership because of the way that they manage credit, much like we do.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I am showing we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Mr. Laney for his closing remarks.

Tim Laney

Analyst

I'll just simply say thank you for your time today. And if you have any follow-up questions, do not hesitate to reach out directly. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today's conference call. If you would like to listen to the telephone replay of this call, it will be available in approximately 24 hours, and the link will be on the company's website on the Investor Relations page. Thank you very much, and have a great day. You may now disconnect.