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National Bank Holdings Corporation (NBHC)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Fri, Jan 30, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone. And welcome to the National Bank Holdings Corporation 2014 Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. My name is Joanna, and I will be your conference operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will conduct a question-and-answer session following the presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would like to remind you that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements, including statements regarding the company's loans and loan growth, deposits, strategic capital, potential income streams, gross margin, taxes and non-interest expense. Actual results could differ materially from those discussed today. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors which are disclosed in more detail in the company's most recent filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. These statements speak only as of the date of this call and National Bank Holdings Corporation undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over and introduce National Bank Holdings Corporation's Chairman, President and CEO, Mr. Tim Laney.

Tim Laney

Management

Thank you, Joanna. Good morning. And thanks for joining the National Bank Holdings fourth quarter earnings call. I have with me our Chief Financial Officer, Brian Lilly; and Rick Newfield, our Chief Risk Management Officer. During this call, we will review our fourth quarter, as well as share some observations on the full year. Brian will also cover our outlook for 2015 and Rick will provide an update on the outstanding performance of both our strategic and non-strategic loan portfolios. Turning to the fourth quarter, we finished out 2014 realizing 17% year-over-year spot loan growth and 30% in our strategic loan portfolio. While loan production moderated slightly during the second half of 2014, we attribute this to our conservative credit culture versus any broad concerns with the markets where we do business. We remained very focus on building and maintaining the diverse and conservatively underwritten loan portfolio, with excellent credit quality and there is probably no better evidence than of this than the fact that we experienced only 6 basis points of charge-offs for the full year. With respect to the acquired loan portfolios, we are now down to the last $200 million or so from a starting point of almost $2 billion. While we are pleased with the resolution of these portfolios, it’s ironic that the stronger than expected performance will continue to put pressure on GAAP reported earnings as the pace of the FDIC indemnification asset amortization continues to accelerate. As aside, I have to share with you that while it is a non-cash expense, we continue to find it somewhat challenging that the excellent performance of these acquired portfolios actually puts negative pressure on GAAP reported earnings. Now turning to the deposits, we continue to grow our low costs deposit base, while shrinking the higher cost CD portfolio, banking-related fee income was solid for the quarter and we are optimistic about its continued potential for growth. We also remained sharply focused on expense management and Brian is going to be sharing some details with you around the strategic action that we've taken that will not only enhance our product and service offerings, but also meaningfully reduce our operating expenses as we look ahead. Now on that point, I will stop and at least for now, and ask Rick to take a deeper dive into the performance of our loan portfolios. Rick?

Rick Newfield

Management

Great. Thank you, Tim, and good morning. First, I will provide a summary of loan origination activity for 2014. Second, I will discuss facts regarding our solid credit quality, as well as our limited exposure to oil and gas loans. Third, I will discuss our success this past quarter and reducing non-strategic loans. Summarize those efforts for 2014 and the continuing positive economic benefits generated through those efforts. Our originated loan portfolio totaled $1.6 million at December 31, 2014, an increase of $46.1 million or 11.4% annual growth over September 30. For the full year, we grew originated balances $563 million or 52% over the prior year end. We’ve delivered these results while remaining disciplined and our underwriting in credit structuring. During the fourth quarter we continued to drive growth with a granular mix of consumer and commercial loan types. Combined, commercial and industrial, agriculture and owner-occupied commercial real estate make up 58% of our originated portfolio, residential mortgage loans make up 29%, non-owner-occupied commercial real estate 12% and other consumer loans 1%. For the full year 2014, we originated $869 million in new loans. Commercial originations of $712 million were granular, averaging $969,000 per relationship. Consumer originations were $157 million, principally driven by residential that averaged $110,000 per loan and an average LTV of 64%, averaged FICO of 763. Turning to credit quality, I am pleased with the performance of our non-310-30 loans, which totaled $1.09 billion at December 31st. Net charge-offs in this portfolio, as Tim said, were just 6 basis points for the year. 90 day past dues remained immaterial. Non-performing loans comprised of non-accruals and restructured loans on non-accrual decreased nicely from 1.02% at September 30 to only 0.57% of total non-310-30 loans at December 31, 2014, as we had meaningful pay downs and payoffs on…

Brian Lilly

Management

Thank you, Rick, and good morning, everyone. As you saw in our release yesterday, we continue to deliver solid loan originations, managed down the non-strategic assets for attractive returns and maintained excellent credit quality. We also grew banking fee income and delivered expenses better than our targets. The quarter contained a few unusual items that I will cover in my comments. Let me first briefly cover the fourth quarter then turn to some detailed guidance for 2015. We covered a lot of details in the release. So I will limit my comments to the trends in our adjusted profitability analysis, loans, FDIC loss share related and expenses. Of course, feel free to ask questions in the Q&A portion. Over the past year, we have shared the quarterly adjusted profitability analysis that is focused on the underlying operating results that are expected to emerge over time. The adjustments that we make in this analysis are shown in the non-GAAP reconcilement tables of our earnings release. The largest of which relates to the non-cash FDIC amortization expense and cost the fourth quarter $0.12 per share. On its adjusted basis, we have realized record quarterly adjusted profitability of $0.19 per share and generated 71 basis points return on average tangible assets. The $0.02 increase over the third quarter was primarily driven by higher net interest income. A key driver to the higher interest income was $0.9 million in prepayment fees, realized on the exit of some agricultural credits and $8.8 million one-time acceleration of interest in the 310-30 loan pool. Solid loan originations added to our strategic loan portfolio which increased $40 million or 8% annually over the third quarter. On a year-over-year basis, strategic loans grew very strong $457 million or 30%. Total loans outstanding ended the quarter basically flat with the…

Tim Laney

Management

Thank you, Brian and thanks for covering so much ground there. Before closing, I will comment on our capital management actions. During the fourth quarter, we repurchased another 991,000 shares or 2.5% of the outstanding shares. As a reminder since 2013, we have repurchased some 13.5 million shares or 25.8% of shares outstanding at a weighted average price of $19.70. And it’s certainly reasonable to expect us to continue to opportunistically buy in shares, particularly given the current market conditions. With respect to other capital actions, this morning in fact, in conjunction with this call, we are announcing a small but meaningful acquisition here in the Colorado market and while small, the economics are pretty attractive and it will improve our position in the market where we currently do business and we can certainly cover the deal in more detail during Q&A if there is any interest. With that, Joanna, we’d ask you to please open up the lines for Q&A.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Paul Miller with FBR Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Paul Miller

Analyst

Yeah. Thanks a lot, guys. Can you just add a little bit more color to the deal you just announced at the same time in the call? It looks like about a 100 -- it's a small deal is my guess. But does it bring any expertise?

Brian Lilly

Management

Hey. Paul, this is Brian. It’s a real nice clean community bank that fits into a market that we have been focused on in La Plata, very attractive demographic market and full of businesses, small businesses. We currently just have the small presence there and this is an opportunity to take a meaningful position and actually it’s the market share. Wells Fargo is the largest. We do well against those type of companies.

Paul Miller

Analyst

Talk about the economics?

Brian Lilly

Management

From the economic standpoint, it’s a tangible book value deal, which was really attractive and 100% cash. It’s putting to use $14 million of cash. We do have any agreement of price adjuster for larger OREO properties that they have. But otherwise our due diligence in the credit portfolio really worked out well. The two-year payback on tangible book value per share was just a $0.05 dilution. It gets earned back very quickly. And in the release you saw, we expect to close it in the third quarter and operating is fine. We wait until the end of the year where we’ll then converted to community banks of Colorado.

Tim Laney

Management

I would stress again, Paul, very small transaction, good economics and there is not a lot more to add.

Paul Miller

Analyst

Okay. I mean, I didn’t see the deal metrics. Was it roughly -- what multiple to book was and what multiple to earnings?

Brian Lilly

Management

What I had mentioned was, it’s a book value deal. It’s a tangible book value.

Paul Miller

Analyst

It was right at book value. What about earnings?

Brian Lilly

Management

Right on top. Well, it’s coming off working through a number of better problems. So it’s been carrying some higher costs and that’s really one of the benefits that we’ll be able to realize those expense efficiencies as we go forward. So it’s hasn’t been a strong earner but its position in its locations and the clean-up that it’s done, we really liked.

Tim Laney

Management

Well, I would almost think of it as a branch transaction with some core, small and commercial banking access that we were really interested in.

Paul Miller

Analyst

Yeah. I mean, I haven’t had the time to go with the deal, but looks like it’s just a one branch shop.

Brian Lilly

Management

No, it’s got four banking centers.

Paul Miller

Analyst

You have four banking centers?

Brian Lilly

Management

Yeah, in attractive counties, yeah.

Paul Miller

Analyst

Okay.

Brian Lilly

Management

It compliments us well.

Paul Miller

Analyst

And then the -- and then I didn’t hear you -- I mean, question for -- about 8% exposure to energy, with energy prices where they are, it’s been one of the big topics and then we call out there? He had some color on your energy exposure.

Rick Newfield

Management

Yeah. Sure, Paul. This is Rick. Look, again, as a reminder, our loan book is at 8% of loans, only 4% of earning assets. And as I said during the comments portion, we’ve completed the review of each and every one of those clients, really confirms the underwriting, the quality of these clients. Just a couple other observations. Since December and obviously leading up to December, each of these clients has taken actions to shore up liquidity. Some have engaged in capital raising. We certainly are talking with them about downside scenarios on price, assuming they continue to be depressed. I would tell you as we move forward, we would expect balances from those existing clients actually to decrease, as they look to delever even further and position again for a longer period of depressed prices, giving capital raises in the liquidity positions. An interesting ancillary benefit will be an increase in deposits and repurchase agreements.

Paul Miller

Analyst

And is most of the energy credits, are they in the Colorado here or they also in the Kansas City area?

Tim Laney

Management

Well, really not Kansas City. We have that limited presence in Texas, so really between Texas and Colorado and very diversified in terms of oil fields and sort of the position in the market, if that’s helpful to you.

Paul Miller

Analyst

Okay. Guys, thank you very much.

Tim Laney

Management

Yeah. Thank you, Paul.

Paul Miller

Analyst

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Matt Olney with Stephens. Your line is open.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Hi. Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Tim Laney

Management

Hey.

Brian Lilly

Management

Good morning, Matt.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Hey. I was hoping you can give some color on the loan growth in the fourth quarter. The origination slow down little bit. I thought in previous years, the fourth quarter was usually a pretty good for that C&I bucket. Was there anything unusual in the quarter as far as the C&I originations and what’s the outlook within just that category?

Rick Newfield

Management

Hey. Matt, this is Rick. I will give you a couple thoughts on that. Again, I think this was mentioned by both, Brian and Tim. But really there is the ebb and flow in our business and certainly not linear. We didn’t see anything unusual. There were just a number of factors. I will tell you the average funding per commitment was lower in the fourth quarter but won’t see that as an ongoing trend.

Tim Laney

Management

Matt, look, I would add that candidly, I was somewhat disappointed with our production performance in the fourth quarter. We do come into the first quarter already early in the quarter, looking like it’s going to shape up to be a very nice start of the year for us. But having said that we’ve had a lot of discussions, both with the Board and around this table and we are simply not going to sacrifice credit quality and we understand we have a high bar on credit quality for growth as everybody on this call knows. Our bank can generate all the loan volume they want, if they are willing to take what we deem to be unacceptable risk. So look I think we were a bit off our pace in the fourth and feel good about, where we are at as we roll into the first of this year.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Okay. That’s helpful. And then going back to the energy discussion, I believe we just talked about how a diversified portfolio, can you add some more color on that in terms of what percent production versus -- other services versus other items?

Tim Laney

Management

Absolutely, Matt. So let me break it down for you, 60% in production and again those half, the proven reserves and the borrowing base protections that I think most folks are familiar with, 20% midstream and those are marked by very well capitalized low leverage types of clients. And then finally 20% in services, and we have all of those housed within our asset based group to really monitor on a daily basis, maybe some additional color too. The average funded balance is only $7 million across our portfolio, it’s granular and very diversified not just by sector but by client.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Yeah. That’s helpful. And then as far as the change or the anticipated change at the core processing system, I was previously understood that you guys had kind of rebuilt your own system over the last few years. Was that a misunderstanding on my part, or is this just a change in philosophy?

Tim Laney

Management

Matt, the way to think of that is, we did work with partners to develop our own operating systems. When I say our own, we were outsourcing them with partners. We continue with that strategy. But we found ourselves in a unique position as we were reviewing the renewal with an existing major provider and found ourselves with strong interest in partnering with our company and some unique dynamics in the market that really led to what felt like it was a once in a lifetime kind of opportunity. And we were able to do it with the structure that gives us incredible flexibility, but also really reduces our core transaction operating cost. And we can get into that more detail if you would like, but that’s at least how it shapes up strategically.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Yeah. That’s helpful. Okay. That’s all I have, guys. Thank you.

Tim Laney

Management

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Tim O'Brien with Sandler O'Neill & Partners. Your line is open.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Tim Laney

Management

Good morning, Tim.

Brian Lilly

Management

Good morning, Tim

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

A following up, sticking with energy for a minute. You talked the importance of working with clients that have lower leverage. Can you give a little more color on kind of how you view limits on what you’ll fund or what you’ll lend on relative to leverage for these clients? And can you bifurcate it between the different kinds of businesses you work with on production, services and midstream?

Rick Newfield

Management

Sure, Tim, absolutely. This is Rick. We’ll start with production and we really use a very conservative approach to how we approach the reserves and the overall capitalization of these companies. So we’ll run the base case using the lower of current or trailing prices which gives us again a more conservative view when you are in a falling pricing environment. And then we also look at a downside scenario in our latest price deck, we have oil at $35 and gas at $2.23, and we apply additional effectively parameter around the downside scenario. What that does is it creates a very strong position should oil prices continue to be low. And average utilizations in that portfolio today are only 63%, so may be that helps on the production. That’s a very conservative approach both on a call it reserves collateral basis as well as an overall capitalization of the company. On midstream, we typically look for very strong capital positions and leverage multiples well below anything that would approach a definition of leverage finance. And then finally, on the services companies, our objective is to be in the trading assets to really avoid long-term lending against assets that in a downside scenario become pressured in terms of cash flows. So again, we are looking for a strong enough balance sheet in the services to really self-liquidate as the trading assets contract.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Have you guys filed any other detail about the -- your energy business specifically or is there some data out there about underwriting criteria that you follow?

Rick Newfield

Management

We really haven’t any filed anything, we certainly have a very well-documented and very thoughtful policy around all of our practices around energy, but that’s internal.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then question for, Brian. Brian, could you talk a little bit about the weighted yield on new originations this quarter and how much was variable?

Brian Lilly

Management

Sure, Tim. We had 3.7%, just a little over 3.7%, it was our new origination yield, and that’s consistent with the last quarter and consistent with the last handful of quarters in that range. We had a very strong 68% of that variable. And again, our strategy has been to grab that and that 68% is actually in the high end of what we’ve had for the last handful of quarters.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

And then as far as the overhead -- as far as the core system changed, did you give a dollar amount of incremental cost that you expect it to hit in 4Q? I didn’t catch that.

Brian Lilly

Management

It wasn’t -- the guidance I gave you, Tim, was that we would expect in 2015 a total expense because it happens throughout the year in some cases of incremental of $3 million to $4 million, with a lot of that hitting the fourth quarter.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Got it.

Brian Lilly

Management

And then the $4 million to $5 million benefit will primarily kick in 2016 and beyond annually.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Thanks. Thanks for revisiting that. And then last question I have for you is with regard to loss share contract expiration that you guys make note of the first hitting in late 2015, is that a fourth quarter event?

Tim Laney

Management

It is, Tim.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

And how much of the acquired covered book will be affected by the exploration of that contract? I’m assuming those are commercial loans.

Tim Laney

Management

Well, there is couple of pieces to it. But just in simple terms, the Hillcrest acquisition is one that expires late this year. And Tim, we’ve been great about getting all of that, that worked our well in advance of getting anywhere near the end. So that isn’t the one that’s really moving us, as much is the community banks of Colorado, which still has two years left on it.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

So a lot of, kind of what we are seeing the ebbs and flows on a quarterly basis is really community Banks of Colorado stuff?

Tim Laney

Management

Yeah. At this point, now, right.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for answering my questions.

Tim Laney

Management

Yeah. Tim, thanks as always for your good questions. I will add that you or any of our other callers would not be surprised that we are very interested in pursuing this apparent growing potential for an early exit with the FDIC. And so while we talk about the two remaining contracts and their termination dates, we would be in that camp that would be very interested for bringing early closure to two those contracts, if it made sense for our partners at the FDIC. Having said that, our greatest motivation is that, frankly, it would bring better clarity to the actual learnings of the company.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Yeah. Have you seen a blueprint for success and achieving early resolution or disposition of those contracts and relationships?

Tim Laney

Management

As you probably know, as we closed out 2014, we started to see a little movement on this mark, on the part of the FDIC. But I would suggest it’s pre-matured to say that there was an established blue print. So it should be no surprise that we’ve strong interest in and working to, with the professionals at the FDIC and determining if there is something that can be done there.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

That’s good to know. Hey, one -- just real quick last question. You characterized the bank you are acquiring has been commercial oriented in Colorado, did I hear that right?

Tim Laney

Management

We would describe it as….

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

A District Community Bank.

Tim Laney

Management

Yeah. We would describe it as being a community bank. Yeah, that’s exactly right, Tim.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

What’s their non-interest bearing deposit base as a percentage of total deposits? Sorry, I had to throw at you, Brian.

Tim Laney

Management

I think that’s a -- you finally got -- I can tell by the look on his face, you finally got him.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

I’m silent too.

Brian Lilly

Management

It’s 31%.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Nice. Great. Thanks a lot, guys.

Tim Laney

Management

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Gary Tenner with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Thanks. Good morning.

Tim Laney

Management

Hi, Gary.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

I just have a couple of questions. Just want to make sure I heard a couple of things correctly. In terms of the tax rate outlook for ’15, Brian, did you say 30%, including the impact of the DTA of the $1.1 million?

Brian Lilly

Management

Yes. That’s correct.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Okay. And then in terms of the FDIC amortization expense, that range you gave, I think $23 million to $33 million. So anything that -- any amount below that 30 -- I know does not get amortized, I guess effectively would get written off. Is that late, is that in the fourth quarter or would that have to be in actually in ’16?

Brian Lilly

Management

Let me just clarify that. The $23 million to $33 million that I gave you was an all-in FDIC related. So it’s not just the amortization. There is a clawback liability we continue to add to as a covered asset performance.

Tim Laney

Management

And remind everybody what the claw back is.

Brian Lilly

Management

It is just part of the agreement that takes up portion of the good news that we estimated at the beginning of tying to be close to $40 million in total and we are tracking very close to that. That becomes a settlement with the FDIC. So we have a liability on the books today that’s above $36 million and is accruing up on a present value basis. And it is through those accounts and also any sharing of gains and any sharing of our expenses go through that. So that’s the $23 million to $33 million just to be clear there. Then on the amortization, there isn’t a cliff stopping point for the accounting and as Tim had said, it frustrates all of us from an economic perspective but it is the accounting. It gets every time we do a real to get spread over the remaining loss share period. And so there is no write-down at the period of time. There is a stoppage, but we have $39 million that sits there as of the end of the year. That it comes off of the books as we build the FDIC for loss share or as we amortize that expense.

Tim Laney

Management

Brian, if I could add here, just to be clear what Brian had just said, it’s really important that there is again two ways, one is the right offer amortization and the other is the billings. So we still expect to have billings to the FDIC. It is just that as we’ve gotten better and better results from these covered assets, the amount we expect to bill decreases.

Brian Lilly

Management

And Gary, your question is getting a lot of retention and responses here because it is we think really the biggest challenge to uncovering that path to that one plus percent ROA. And if there is additional point to be added here, I would share with you that we think the expected aggressive amortization of that receivable is going to make for a pretty tough year on a GAAP reported earnings basis and you will all run your models and come to your own conclusions. But we really do expect the news to continue to be very good as it relates to those distressed long portfolios we acquired. And as a result as we just discussed, we’re going to see some real movement in that amortization of the receivable.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Okay. And if I’m -- yeah. I guess, just to make sure I’m looking at it right. Then if you get -- let say, you’re at the high end to that range this year than that doesn’t necessarily mean that that line item get zeroed down in ‘16 but it should appreciably lower?

Tim Laney

Management

That’s right.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Right. Okay.

Tim Laney

Management

Significantly lower.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Okay. All right. Thanks very much.

Tim Laney

Management

Yeah. Good question. Thanks, Gary.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And that is all the time we have for question. So we’ll now turn the call back to Mr. Laney for any closing remarks.

Tim Laney

Management

Joan, I’m sensitive to that. Are there any other -- I know we are on the clock but I hate to cut any of our analysts off that we …

Operator

Operator

Yes. Our last second to [Michael Trucco] [ph] Your line is open sir. Sorry. Gone. There’s no one in the queue. Okay. Peyton Green, I’m sorry. Peyton Green of Sterne Agee. Your line is open.

Peyton Green

Analyst

Hi. Yes. Good morning, Tim and Brian. I was wondering maybe if you can comment on the M&A pipeline. Certainly, good to see you get a good Community Bank deal but what’s the activity look like and how it’s characterize and where it was six months ago?

Tim Laney

Management

Well, we characterize that we’ve been very active in two fronts. One, we’re always interested in the banking landscape and it just hasn’t been a lot that’s come out there but we’re happy with the little deal that we did and it certainly enhances our franchise. We’ve also been active in the commercial finance space. And I think I’ll share with you that we went deep into detail due diligence twice in the last four months. Back a way each time for a number of reasons that you’d be very pleased with but we continue to see opportunities that can fit within what we’re trying to do here. And we’ll be selective in pursuing those. Hopeful that will make sense but very disciplined that we are worth making no mistakes for.

Peyton Green

Analyst

Okay. And then the follow-up question. I mean, what is the level of capital? I know you have some significant excess capital but when do you maybe stop buying the stock back? Is there a TC ratio or total risk base level?

Brian Lilly

Management

At these levels in the market now they are very interactive to buyback. It is a balance. As we share with you before a couple of $100 million and you got opportunity that you put to use that will create more value and -- versus the buyback. And so we like the optionality that we’ve had in the opportunities in the pace of which we’re able to buyback.

Tim Laney

Management

And why don’t you remind everyone where we’re at in terms of Tier 1 capital, excess capital?

Brian Lilly

Management

I didn’t calculate that. We’re sitting at -- anything above 10% is still at this stage would be considered excess capital. Although, as we shared with you, that’s because of an operating agreement that we still have in place and that operating agreement we expect overtime to give us a little more room below that 10%. So it’s still a large number. It was 200 -- I want to say, 225 at the end of the third quarter.

Peyton Green

Analyst

Okay. So, I mean, in that 10% Tier 1 leverage, just to make sure, I have got the right number, correct?

Brian Lilly

Management

Correct. That’s correct.

Peyton Green

Analyst

Okay.

Brian Lilly

Management

And we’re about 15% plus today.

Peyton Green

Analyst

Yeah.

Tim Laney

Management

And that 10% leverage was required in an operating agreement in order to obtain the charter for the Bank. We’re well above that 10% requirement. And so, long story short, you’re going to continue to see us be pretty aggressive in buybacks. With the mindset, here is the longer-term mindset. As we talk about this target for hitting the 1% ROA, our goal is as we arrive at that 1% or higher ROA, we’re going to want to have our capital adjusted to an appropriate level that would allow us to generate the kind of returns on equity that our investors would expect. And we’ve said before, we feel like we have a lot of levers to pull to get to that, whether it’s making acquisitions and again, as evidenced by the small acquisition, they’re going to have to here at very high standards or require -- acquiring our own shares, in that current trading prices we view that is the best acquisition we could make. I mean, acquiring at or close to tangible block we are effectively realizing no word back period immediately accretive kind of actions and we’ll do that all day long. Let's say, we got to a scenario where we're on top of a 1% plus ROA and still had access capital. There is always the option to look at a one-time dividend albeit we still tend to have a bias as investors to buy in shares when in where we can. So it’s another great question and that's how we think about capital management.

Peyton Green

Analyst

Okay.

Brian Lilly

Management

Hey, Peyton, we’ll give that number. It’s about $200 million at the end of the year that we would consider to be access capital.

Peyton Green

Analyst

Okay. Yeah. No. I was just making sure we are still at the 10% level.

Brian Lilly

Management

Okay.

Peyton Green

Analyst

And then on the cash dividend, would you anticipate pumping at or as long as the reported earnings state, somewhat depressed would you keep it down here?

Brian Lilly

Management

Yeah. That’s another one we’ve discussed quite a bit internally. We think it’s appropriate to keep it where it’s at this time.

Peyton Green

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you for taking my questions.

Brian Lilly

Management

Absolutely. Thanks for asking. Joanna, it sounds like that must be it. So I’ll just wish everyone a very good day and thank you for tuning in for the call today.