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MYR Group Inc. (MYRG)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Sat, May 9, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the MYR Group First Quarter 2015 Earnings Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Philip Kranz of Dresner. Please go ahead, sir.

Philip Kranz

Management

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to the MYR Group conference call to discuss the company's first quarter results for 2015, which were reported yesterday. Joining us on today's call are Bill Koertner, President and Chief Executive Officer; Paul Evans, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Rick Swartz, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. If you did not receive yesterday's press release, please contact Dresner Corporate Services at 312-726-3600 and we will send you a copy or go to www.myrgroup.com, where a copy is available under the Investor Relations tab. Also, a replay of today's call will be available until Wednesday, May 13, 2015, at 11:59 PM Eastern Time by dialing 855-859-2056 or 404-537-3406 and entering conference ID 26840051. Before we begin, I want to remind you that this discussion may contain forward-looking statements. Any such statements are based upon information available to MYR Group management as of this date and MYR assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. Accordingly, these statements are no guarantee of future performance. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in the company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2014, the company's Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the first quarter of 2015 and in yesterday's press release. Certain non-GAAP financial information will be discussed on the call today. A reconciliation of this non-GAAP information to the most comparable GAAP measure is set forth in yesterday's press release. With that said, let me turn the call over to Bill Koertner.

Bill Koertner

Management

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our first quarter 2015 conference call to discuss financial and operational results. I'll start by providing a brief summary of our first quarter results and then turn the call over to Paul Evans, our CFO, for a more detailed financial review. Following Paul's discussion, Rick Swartz, our Chief Operating Officer, will provide an overall industry outlook and discuss some of MYR Group's opportunities going forward. I will then conclude with some closing remarks and open the call up for your comments and questions. First quarter 2015 financial results were highlighted by increases in revenue, gross profit, EBITDA, net income and diluted EPS compared to the first quarter of 2014. Year-over-year, revenues increased 13.2%, while net income and diluted earnings per share rose 14.3% and 17.2%, respectively. Additionally, we repurchased just under 73,000 shares of common stock while continuing to invest in the company's long-term future through the purchase of additional specialty equipment. Also, our balance sheet remains strong with a cash balance of just under $62 million and borrowing capacity of $156 million at the end of the quarter. In the early part of the second quarter in April, we acquired substantially all of the assets of E.S. Boulos, one of New England's largest and most experienced electrical contractors, which will enhance our T&D presence in the Northeast and further expand our C&I presence outside of our existing markets. We are excited with the immediate value this acquisition brings us and are pleased to welcome E.S. Boulos and its well-respected leadership team and skilled employees to our family of companies. This is the second asset purchase in about 18 months following the one we made in Alaska during the third quarter of 2013. Looking ahead, we remain optimistic about the long-term outlook for both our T&D and C&I business segments and we are encouraged by the momentum we've experienced thus far in 2015. We believe our commitment to developing a strong team of management and craft employees, investment and specialty equipment, existing customer relationships, commitment to safety and strong financial position should enable us to take advantage of growth opportunities going forward, both organic and through acquisitions. Now Paul will provide details on first quarter 2015 financial results.

Paul Evans

Management

Thank you, Bill, and good morning, everyone. Before I get into the first quarter results, I'd like to provide some additional details about the E.S. Boulos acquisition. To supplement the previously disclosed information at the purchase date, E.S. Boulos had approximately $36 million in backlog. Going forward E.S. Boulos, outside electrical work and backlog will be reported as part of our T&D segment. And the inside electrical work and associated backlog will be reported as part of our C&I segment. Now let's move on to our Q1 2015 results. We enjoyed a strong first quarter in 2015, highlighted by increases in revenues, gross profit, net income, earnings per share and EBITDA compared to 2014. Our revenues for the first quarter of 2015 were $244.1 million, which represented $28.5 million or 13.2% increase compared to the same period in 2014. The increase was primarily due to higher T&D revenues from jobs of all sizes. On a consolidated basis, material and subcontractor costs comprised approximately 27% of total contract costs in the first quarter of 2015 as compared to approximately 26% in the first quarter of 2014. Compared to the 2014 first quarter, T&D revenues increased $27.2 million to $189.2 million, while C&I revenues increased $1.3 million to $54.9 million. Focusing on the T&D segment; revenues were $147.9 million for transmission and $41.3 million for distribution in the first quarter of 2015. This compares to $134.2 million for transmission and $27.8 million for distribution for the first quarter of 2014. The increase in transmission revenue was primarily due to increased work on small to medium sized projects, while the increase in distribution revenue was due to a broad-based increase in distribution work. Material and subcontractor costs in our T&D segment comprised approximately 23% of total contract cost in the first quarter of…

Rick Swartz

Management

Thanks, Paul, and good morning, everyone. Our company is off to a good start in 2015 as our project teams execute T&D and C&I work across the country and our estimating teams pursue a steady flow of bidding opportunities. We see strong activity in the markets we serve and remain committed to building on the momentum gained in our T&D and C&I segments from the success of recent projects along with our established reputation in the electrical construction industry. MYR has benefited over the last five years from the unprecedented boom in transmission construction, which we believe will continue for at least the next five years and offers us continuing opportunities for success. We also plan to capitalize on our expertise and customer relationships in key C&I end markets to expand geographically into new markets and with national clients. Our growth will continue to be both organic and through a strategy of selective acquisition, supported by an experienced management team. We recently announced the strategic acquisition of the E.S. Boulos company. Like our other subsidiary companies, E.S. Boulos has established a solid reputation over several decades for their reliable delivery of electrical construction services. ESB's commercial and industrial offerings expands MYR's C&I market segment into a new geographic area. And the company's power line services enhances MYR's current T&D operations throughout the Northeast. ESB brings immediate value to our operations through its resources and industry expertise. And it strengthens our positions in the markets that we believe hold excellent near and long-term growth potential. In late April, we also executed our first contract to perform construction services in Canada through our subsidiary MYR Transmission Services Canada. The project has a contract value less than 40 million Canadian dollars and is referred to as the Keewatinoow switchyard for Manitoba Hydro, which…

Bill Koertner

Management

Thank you for the update, Rick. Our solid first quarter performance combined with our long-term outlook gives us confidence that there are multiple avenues for us to achieve long-term growth across the U.S. and Canada. We promote a culture of excellence within our workforce and MYR's people are among the finest in the industry. Our success depends on our commitment to maintain a safe workplace and providing quality construction services at competitive prices. Our growth strategy remains grounded in steadfast adherence to disciplined bidding, solid project execution, and risk management. These three business principles apply to organic growth as well as acquisitions. Overall, we are pleased with our financial and operational performance and we remain very optimistic about MYR Group's long-term future and our ability to deliver value to our shareholders. On behalf of Paul, Rick and myself, I would like to thank you for joining us on the call today and for placing your continued confidence in MYR Group. I look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. Operator, we are now ready for questions and comments.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Noelle Dilts with Stifel. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Noelle Dilts

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. The first thing I was hoping we could dig into a little bit more is just this E.S. Boulos acquisition. In the press release, you gave kind of like a five-year range of revenues and profitability. Could you speak a little bit more to just the performance over the past couple of years and how things have been trending there?

Paul Evans

Management

Noelle, I'll take that. When we talk about how you should look at this going forward, what I would suggest you do is come up with some amount within that range for total revenues. I suggest you take 60% of that going forward in our T&D segment and 40% of that in our C&I segment. I'd then suggest you – the other way around. Then I suggest you take the operating margins you currently see in both of those segments and apply that to the revenues. I think that would be a good way of looking at the business going forward.

Noelle Dilts

Analyst

Okay. And then I think there was a little bit of disappointment. You've had some really nice T&D backlog growth over the last two quarters. We saw a little bit of a pause here. Do you think this is just kind of the natural lumpiness in the market or – and just project timing or do you feel like there's been a bit of a change in the overall market and the conditions?

Rick Swartz

Management

Noelle, I haven't seen a change in the market, I mean, other than what we've previously said, which was kind of a shift from large projects and kind of that delay out of the large projects and a shift to probably mid and smaller size projects. I think we've seen that for the last year and a half. I don't think anything's changed that way. The large projects are still out there. It's just when the permitting is done and I guess they're released, they'll be available to the marketplace. So haven't seen any major changes.

Noelle Dilts

Analyst

Okay. And then my last question. You guys talked a bit about seeing some favorable closeouts in the quarter and that was a benefit that you wouldn't expect to continue to the same degree. Can you give us a sense of just how much of a benefit that was in the quarter and how to think about margins on an ongoing basis?

Paul Evans

Management

First, I think we show you the net benefits. We called that out. I don't want to take it any deeper than that, but I think the margins going forward should – I would just take the LTM and use that. We don't really see a change in the market. I mean, we are in a competitive industry, but as Rick said, jobs will come out when they come out. But what we wanted to point out is, we are experiencing some closeouts and we don't want our investors to always count on that there'll be closeouts like that.

Noelle Dilts

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tahira Afzal with KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Thank you. Good quarter, guys, given all the weather nuances.

Paul Evans

Management

Thanks Tahira.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Okay. I guess first question. For me, you've seen a great margin performance on the C&I side last year. You are seeing some of that sort of bleed away over the last couple of quarters in particular. Could you give us a sense as execution gets back on track, momentum builds, because clearly, your book to bill still pretty good over there. How should we look at margins in that segment?

Rick Swartz

Management

I guess I would look at that as similar to what you've seen in the past. I don't see anything out there that's going to change where we're at right now or what we've seen in the past. I would say every quarter, we assess our projects – cost to complete, change orders that have been received, any issues that are on the projects, good or bad and we adjust our cost to complete and reflect that in our numbers. So quarter-to-quarter, you will see slight changes, but overall, I don't see anything that's going to really change those margins.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Got it, Rick. So would it be fair to use the last 2 years, so something like 6% to 7% as good bookends?

Rick Swartz

Management

I think that would be fair.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Okay, great. And then second question. I am kind of asking a lot of companies on the utility side. We've seen this Tesla announcement around storage. I know it's still in its early days, but a lot of the utility folks are in a buzz about its potential on the renewable side, including utility scale renewables. So would love to get a sense, I mean to the extent this ends up being a decent storage solution. You see sort of the biogeneration mix already leading to maybe more of these large renewable type of transmission projects coming back on the map.

Rick Swartz

Management

From my standpoint – and then I'll turn it over to Bill, I think it's too early to tell if there's a lot of buzz out there about it. Really haven't seen anything that's affected the market as we stand today. Bill?

Bill Koertner

Management

I don't really have anything more to add. We obviously are out talking to our utility clients virtually every week and trying to keep a finger on their pulse as to what they're spending and how they see things evolving. And that -- really don't have anything more to add.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Got it, okay. And then Bill, you've seen a pretty good record with some of the merchant transmission guys in the past. There's some pretty outsized opportunities there; who knows exactly what the timing is going to be. But would love to get a sense of how your discussions are going on some of the merchant projects out there.

Bill Koertner

Management

Okay. We obviously are establishing relationships with many of the – well, I guess called non-traditional players. I do think some of these projects are going to happen. The ones that cross multiple states certainly have more challenges to overcome than those within a state. It does place the contractor and the engineering firms in a somewhat difficult position, because we now have new players coming into the service areas of incumbent players and existing customers. And we have existing customers that now want to branch into other utility service areas, and we are trying hard to support all of that. But it definitely has its challenges and not just for contractors, but also engineering firms and the other parties that support transmission development.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open. Your question please.

All right, thanks a lot, Bill. And I'll hop back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Rogers with DA Davidson. Your line is now open. Your question please.

John Rogers

Analyst · DA Davidson. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Hi. Good morning and congratulations on the quarter. I was wondering if you could just go back to your comments relative to project closeouts and some of the benefits you saw in the first quarter. Can you give us a sense how much of that you considered unusual because if I remember right, you had some of that in the first quarter a year ago as well? And seasonally, your margins typically pick up as you go through the year, but maybe you could just put a little more color around that?

Paul Evans

Management

John, you are correct. We did have some of that last year. And as you know, we've had a lot of large projects that are getting wrapped up or have been wrapped up. I think for us, it's just we want to point out that at some point, the benefits associated with those large projects will go away and just to be mindful of that. We do put in our Q and our K. We talk about the net benefits and so the net benefits are embedded in there. So I think that's probably as far as we'll take that. But again, as we've said about the margins and whether it C&I margins or T&D margins, I don't think we see any dramatic change. And I'll still hold to the range that I've said on calls before of between 12% to 14% that I can still see that based on our mix going forward.

John Rogers

Analyst · DA Davidson. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Okay. In terms of the gross margins?

Paul Evans

Management

Yes, gross margins.

John Rogers

Analyst · DA Davidson. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Yes. Okay. And then in terms of the expansion of the C&I business that you spoke about, can you give us a sense of what your regional breakdown is right now and especially with the acquisition and how you see that evolving over the next couple of years. You mentioned the new locations and what you are targeting there?

Paul Evans

Management

When you talk in terms of regional breakdown, we've said what states we are in. I don't really want to take it down into revenues or margins state-by-state. We haven't previously done anything like that.

John Rogers

Analyst · DA Davidson. Your line is now open. Your question please.

I guess what maybe – let me ask it this way. You gave us some numbers on what you'll now have, I guess, in the Northeast. But presumably, most of your work previously was in Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona. Are you attempting or thinking that you can get a more balanced portfolio there over the next couple of years or is it still going to be dominated by those regions?

Rick Swartz

Management

Well, those are very strong markets for us. I mean, its areas that we've competed a long time. We have clients that want us to grow into other areas, and we have customers that want us to go into those areas. So it gives us a foothold to start in those areas, so it's a base of business and a place to start. And we hope to develop those into what I would call district offices, which are similar to our other districts. So we are focused on growing those areas, but with a strong customer base that'll bring us into those areas.

Bill Koertner

Management

John, as Rick indicated, we are in Colorado and Arizona. Colorado is bigger on a revenue basis than Arizona, but we have great expectations for both of those states. The Boulos operation, we do like the Northeast, we obviously have a T&D business there, know a lot of the utilities. We have great hopes for expanding our C&I business through them in the Northeast. And the other situations are more opportunistic kind of things. If the general contractor and owner that we may have worked with in Arizona or Colorado now is building a data center or an airport in another state, so it's kind of opportunistic that we would follow them. We would like to broaden our base on the C&I business and we certainly can't say we are a national C&I player today. That wouldn't happen overnight, but we would like to broaden our C&I base.

John Rogers

Analyst · DA Davidson. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Okay. And then if I could, just in terms of the cash flow. You sold or at least booked some gains on sales of equipment. Was that just – I know that occurs irregularly, but it was larger number this quarter. Are there more – is there something going on in the market that will give you some opportunities for that? And secondly, I guess Bill, what are you seeing in terms of acquisition opportunities and kind of your read of multiples or pricing out there?

Bill Koertner

Management

Let me first address the equipment thing. In spite of our best efforts to be clairvoyant on our forecasting of equipment, we end up with some equipment assets that are underutilized and we don't want to sit on them forever. So if we have equipment that we don't see a near-term use for, we will put it on the auction block. I think we've picked up a nice gain. I wouldn't say that's going to be a recurring thing every quarter, but we are constantly going through our asset list. We are culling equipment that where we don't see sufficient utilization. And at the same time, we have lots of additional equipment needs that we acquire the use through some kind of rental agreement. We rent it for a period of time and conclude that maybe we ought to buy out the lease or to buy the equipment. We're constantly trying to manage our asset portfolio to have the right assets to do the book of business we have. On the acquisition front, some deals that we've seen seem to be priced very high. There's still a lot of cheap, private equity money out there chasing deals. We are trying to remain disciplined as we pursue things. But there are some really pricey deals out there and we think we need to be disciplined as we look at it. In terms is there an overall trend in acquisition multiples. I wouldn't say there's been any change that I've observed. It's very regional. Some command very high multiples; some are better values. So we are obviously looking for the ones that we think are good values, number one. And number two, culturally fit us. With the Boulos transaction, I think we paid a fair price for that and I think culturally, that management team fits us very well. They talk and act the same way we do, which is not always the case as you look at acquisitions.

John Rogers

Analyst · DA Davidson. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Mannes with Avondale Partners. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Dan Mannes

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Thanks. Good morning guys.

Bill Koertner

Management

Good morning, Dan.

Dan Mannes

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Your line is now open. Your question please.

A couple kind of quick follow-ups on the acquisition. First, Paul, I might have misheard did you say 60%/40% T&D versus C&I or the other way around?

Paul Evans

Management

Yes, I misspoke. It's 60% C&I, 40% T&D.

Dan Mannes

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Okay, great. And then secondly, two other quick ones on this one. First, how did this deal originate? Was this an auction or was this a company you knew and kind of pursued independently?

Bill Koertner

Management

There was a sell-side advisor that Eversource had retained to handle the transaction. So there was sell-side advisor. I'm sure we weren't the only party approached. I wouldn't say it was an auction, but they definitely did check the market and it gave an advisor to help them.

Dan Mannes

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Fair. And then from a margin perspective, obviously, they've been running a little bit lower than you guys, at least in aggregate. Did I catch your comment correct, Paul that you would expect their margins to migrate to yours? And what does that require operationally to make that happen?

Paul Evans

Management

You did catch my comment correctly that I think they'll be similar to our operating margins and I don't really think it takes that much for that to happen.

Dan Mannes

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Okay. And my last question here is as it relates to Boulos, how much of their previous T&D revenue related to Eversource? And by divesting them, does that actually increase the opportunity? Just I know sometimes, affiliate rules actually are – make it even more challenging to work with sister companies.

Bill Koertner

Management

Well, certainly, Boulos was owned by Eversource. They were very careful; I know Eversource wasn't just handing them business. They had to competitively bid every contract they got from Eversource. I wouldn't say Eversource in the recent history was their largest customer. So Eversource did a good job of managing the regulatory side of it, making sure they were prudent, and making sure they didn't give their captive subsidiary any unfair advantage. So we obviously hoped to continue doing business with Eversource both through our other subsidiaries that already have a relationship with Eversource as well as Boulos. And Boulos has some capabilities on the substation side that regionally we didn't have as strong a presence as maybe what we wanted in that market. So we'll be continuing to pursue Eversource, both through Boulos as well as other subsidiaries.

Dan Mannes

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Sounds good. And then one last one in another area. First of all, congrats on the first win up in Canada. I know that's something you've been – that's a market you've been after for a while. I guess I just wanted to follow on there. That's the northern end of the Bipole III job, as you mentioned. And I believe you guys have already been named one of the, I believe, five bidders on Bipole III. Can you talk at all about your position on that project, especially given the size relative to what's right now a pretty modest footprint in Canada?

Rick Swartz

Management

That's a project that we continue to look at. We assess the risk with it. We'll continue to develop our estimate once the bid package comes out. I do think we – it is a project that fits into what we do as a base business. And then it's just figuring out our approach to it. So that's part of the strategy going forward.

Dan Mannes

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Your line is now open. Your question please.

All right. We'll look forward to an update in future quarters. Thanks, guys.

Bill Koertner

Management

Thanks Dan.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Adam Thalhimer with BB&T Capital Market. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Market. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on a good quarter.

Bill Koertner

Management

Good morning, Adam.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Market. Your line is now open. Your question please.

The Westar agreement that you mentioned, can you give a little more color on that? As they ramp up the key spending, how much would flow into your backlog and is it exclusive, that kind of stuff?

Paul Evans

Management

As far as that, it is a multiyear MSA agreement and it is sort of reading in our Qs and our Ks. We only track three months of MSA in our backlog. So I don't think we have said previously what's the total annual value of that contract and I don't want to start getting into that on a contract-by-contract basis.

Bill Koertner

Management

In our relationship, Adam, is not exclusive. We obviously need to perform. We were the only one awarded an alliance, but that doesn't mean they're not going to reserve the right to bid jobs. And certainly, it's up to us to perform up to their expectation. It's a good relationship for us, but we're going to really have to perform for them.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Market. Your line is now open. Your question please.

And when do you see their spend starting to ramp up?

Bill Koertner

Management

Well, they've had a significant spend ongoing. We did some of that ourselves, but I wouldn't say their spend with us is ramping up here in 2015. But they have been spending a lot of money on transmission and their distribution system in prior periods as well.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Market. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Got it. And then that Greater Boston Reliability Project that you mentioned. Is there any kind of an agreement existing on that or is that just something that you're watching?

Rick Swartz

Management

It's something that our project teams are tracking. What I went through earlier, a lot of the stuff from our districts and our marketing people that we continue to manage and market towards.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Market. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Okay. And then lastly on distribution, can you give us any kind of a flavor for – the degree to which you're back to maybe a more normal environment, like the mid-2000s. Where are we versus where we were 10 years ago?

Bill Koertner

Management

I'm not sure I would characterize the mid-2000s as normal. I think that was a pretty frothy market and a lot of things going on a lot of underground construction as well as overhead work. We are certainly not at that level, but it's a whole lot better than it was two years ago. It's pretty broad-based and we're seeing it in the Southeast, the Northeast. I mean, it's pretty broad-based.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Market. Your line is now open. Your question please.

Great. Thanks, Bill. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Alex Rygiel with FBR Capital Market. Your line is now open.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · FBR Capital Market. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Good morning, Paul and Bill.

Bill Koertner

Management

Good morning, Alex.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · FBR Capital Market. Your line is now open.

Bill or Paul, what do you think the organic growth rate could be this year? Is low single digits reasonable or could we exceed that?

Bill Koertner

Management

We don't forecast and provide guidance on revenue. We definitely think our focus is on the long term. A single-digit growth over the period, but we don't provide revenue guidance. But we do feel that we've got some single-digit growth in front of us for the long term.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · FBR Capital Market. Your line is now open.

And could you comment a little bit on the margin profile of work you're looking at up in Canada versus the U.S.? Is it similar, maybe a little bit better, a little bit lower?

Bill Koertner

Management

There's plenty of competition in Canada, too, so don't be led to believe there's not competitors up there. There probably aren't quite as many of them, but there's plenty of competition there. And we are trying to make sure we don't bid the market. We are trying to bid our costs and make a reasonable margin on our costs, but there's plenty of competition in Canada.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · FBR Capital Market. Your line is now open.

And can you provide us any update on the two AEP transmission projects that I think started recently or are going to start recently?

Bill Koertner

Management

Well, we started them, got a lot of the work in front of us, so I don't really have anything more to add on that.

Rick Swartz

Management

They're very early in the execution stage right now.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · FBR Capital Market. Your line is now open.

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of William Bremer with Maxim Group. Your line is now open.

William Bremer

Analyst · Maxim Group. Your line is now open.

Good morning, Bill, Paul.

Bill Koertner

Management

Good morning, Bill.

William Bremer

Analyst · Maxim Group. Your line is now open.

Can you give us a sense – let's go to C&I. I know that there was one project that impacted the quarter. Backing that out, can you sort of give a sense of what margins would've been there?

Paul Evans

Management

I guess I don't know which project you're specifically referring to. We have ups and downs across both segments every quarter. So it would be hard for me to tell you which that is and back it out.

William Bremer

Analyst · Maxim Group. Your line is now open.

All right. And then you sort of give us the backlog for ES. Is the backlog also at those same percentages?

Paul Evans

Management

Pretty close.

Rick Swartz

Management

Pretty close.

William Bremer

Analyst · Maxim Group. Your line is now open.

Okay. And given the new markets that you're looking to penetrate, not just with this acquisition, but maybe with some additional capacity, what type of SG&A run rate should we utilize, given the growth prospects you have across the platform?

Paul Evans

Management

I'll say what I've said before. I think a range of 7% to 8% of revenues is acceptable for us.

William Bremer

Analyst · Maxim Group. Your line is now open.

Okay, great. That's all I have, gentlemen. Thank you.

Paul Evans

Management

Okay. Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no additional questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to hand the call back over to management for any concluding remarks.

Bill Koertner

Management

Well, I'd like to thank everyone for participating on the call. We have a lot of work in front of us and remain optimistic about the future of our market, particularly some of the new markets that we are getting into. Look forward to talking to everybody next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude the program. Thank you very much for your participation. You may now disconnect.