Yes, that's a great question. And as we said in our comments, that we did see an increase in demand. But I think we also followed that up with a better description. I think there are pockets of growth. When we look -- we can say specifically we're seeing growth in Texas, Northern Virginia, we're seeing some in Florida, and even surprisingly, some out west, in Phoenix, Southern California and, to a lesser extent, the Tacoma area. Relative to our product, we have a few products, a very small percentage of Mueller Co.'s overall sales, that are primarily installed when a house is constructed, as opposed to when a housing development is put in place. And if we look at -- looking at those products -- and again, I've got to remind you, they're a very small percent of overall Mueller Co.'s sales. On a year-over-year basis, these units grew anywhere from 3% to 19%. So clearly, we did see some nice growth in those products. Back to your point, we are hearing that builders have essentially run out of A-location lots in a number of areas and are looking to purchase new land. And once they do so, demand for our products will follow. So I will say that we're having a little more difficult time getting a good handle on any forecast of land purchases by developers. We've also -- back to your point, we've also heard some talk that builders, this go around, may only develop several streets at a time rather than going in the entire development all at once. And certainly that makes sense, I would expect until they really are comfortable, that the housing recovery is truly sustainable. So if this occurs, demand for our products would be spread out over a longer period of time. So as we said in our prepared remarks, we believe that demand for our products will lag growth in housing starts. And right now, we're estimating by about 12 months. We really have no scientific way to calculate this lag, but we do believe that it has come down over the last year. I mean, if you look on average, housing starts are forecasted to grow almost 30% in 2013, but I think where we are for demand for our products in this cycle, that we don't expect we'll see growth in demand for our products anywhere near that rate in the next year, though we do expect to see some growth.
L. Todd Vencil - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division: Got it. That's great. And then just extending that over to the municipal side, I caught your comment that obviously, to some extent, muni budgets are going to follow the health of the housing market. Is the strength among municipalities that you're seeing geographically, does that kind of follow those pockets of strength that you mentioned on the residential side?