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MasTec, Inc. (MTZ)

Q1 2024 Earnings Call· Fri, May 3, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to MasTec's First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call, initially broadcast on Friday, May 3, 2024. Let me remind participants that today's call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to our host, Marc Lewis, MasTec's Vice President of Investor Relations. Marc?

Marc Lewis

Management

Thanks, Maddie, and good morning everyone. Welcome to MasTec's first quarter call. The following statement is made pursuant to the Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements described in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. In these communications, we may make certain statements that are forward-looking such as statements regarding MasTec's future results plans and anticipated trends in the industries where we operate. These forward-looking statements are the company's expectations on the day of initial broadcast of this conference call and the company does not undertake to update these expectations based on subsequent events or knowledge. Various risks, uncertainties and assumptions are detailed in our press releases and filings with the SEC. Should one or more of our risks or uncertainties materialize or should any of our underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may differ significantly from results expressed or implied in this call. In today's remarks by management, we will be discussing adjusted financial metrics reconciled in yesterday's press release and supporting schedules. In addition, we may use certain non-GAAP financial measures in this call. A reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures not reconciled in these comments to the most comparable GAAP measure can be found in our earnings press release. Please note that we have two additional documents associated with today's webcast, which along with our earnings press release can be found on the Investors Events & Presentations page of our website at mastec.com. There is a companion presentation with information and analytics on the quarter just ended and a guidance summary to assist in developing your financial models going forward. Both PDF files are available for download. With us today we have Jose Mas, our CEO; and Paul DiMarco, our EVP and Chief Financial Officer. The format of the call will be opening remarks and analysis by Jose followed by a detailed financial review from Paul. These discussions will be followed by a question-and-answer period and we expect the call to last about 60 minutes. We have a lot of important things to talk about today, so I'll turn the call over to Jose so we can get going. Jose?

Jose Mas

Management

Thanks Marc. Good morning and welcome to MasTec's 2024 first quarter call. Today, I'll be reviewing our first quarter results as well as providing my outlook for the markets we serve. First, some first quarter highlights. Revenue for the quarter was $2.687 billion, up 4% organically year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA was $157 million, a 54% year-over-year increase. Adjusted earnings per share was negative $0.13, $0.35 better than consensus and backlog at quarter end was $12.8 billion, a $430 million sequential increase. In summary, results were better than guidance across all segments. I'm proud to say this was a very clean quarter. Segments performed as expected or better and cash flow as expected was strong. I think this is an excellent indication of what we expect for the balance of the year. I'd like to walk through a number of positive developments that I believe will have a significant impact on our ability to grow both revenue and earnings. As we announced on our last call in our Communications segment, we significantly expanded our relationship with our biggest customer AT&T. AT&T expanded both our scope and geographic territory on our core wireless work. This expansion coupled with their announcement of a complete swap out of Nokia equipment to Ericsson equipment over a five-year period is expected to significantly increase our wireless business over the next few years. While we'll see some impact during the first half of this year, it will mostly be site acquisition and engineering work. The work we are doing now is what is creating workable backlog for the second half of the year. So our visibility is excellent. In addition, we continue to see very strong demand for our wireline services. We expanded our customer base during the first quarter and are very encouraged about the optimism of…

Paul DiMarco

Management

Thank you, Jose, and good morning, everyone. To begin, a few first quarter highlights. Revenue of $2.7 billion was a record for Q1, exceeding guidance by approximately $60 million. Adjusted EBITDA of $157 million, exceeded guidance by $27 million, with margins 90 basis points ahead of expectations. We outperformed our earnings guidance in every segment, which I will cover in more detail later. Adjusted loss per share was $0.13, exceeding guidance by $0.35, driven primarily by the adjusted EBITDA beat. We generated approximately $110 million of cash flow from operations in this quarter, starting the year off on a positive pace. This brings our trailing 12-month total cash flow from operations to almost $900 million, comparable to the adjusted EBITDA earned over the same period. We reduced net debt by $70 million in Q1 and net leverage also declined to 2.7 times. 18-month backlog at Q1 totaled $12.8 billion, an increase of $430 million from year-end, despite the significant revenue earned on MVP in Q1. We saw clean energy backlog grow by almost $400 million in the quarter, while Communications backlog increased by $170 million to a new record level. While year-over-year backlog decreased, normalizing for the impact of current pipeline project mix and our reduced emphasis on industrial projects would result in approximately $200 million of growth versus last year's first quarter. Lastly, as we announced yesterday, we are raising our full year outlook, which I will cover in more detail shortly. Now, I'd like to cover our segment performance and expectations. First quarter pipeline segment revenue was $634 million with adjusted EBITDA of $93 million, or 14.6%. We continue to have strong performance in this segment with lower-than-anticipated contributions of cost-plus work driving margins higher than our guidance. We now expect 2024 pipeline segment revenue to reach $2…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup.

Andy Kaplowitz

Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Jose Mas

Management

Good morning, Andy.

Andy Kaplowitz

Analyst

Jose just focusing on the $1 billion of infrastructure opportunities within data centers from $200 million you have in backlog. Did you begin to see an acceleration of this work in Q1? Will that accelerate from here? And then maybe backing up MasTec has had big cycles before move to 4G or 5G big pipeline cycles. How would you characterize the data center opportunity for MasTec versus other cycles? And to your point on margin I think data centers customers could drive a hard bargain. So how do you protect MasTec and deliver good margin on this work?

Jose Mas

Management

Yes, Andy. So a couple of things. I think probably at some point last year we had a lot of people within MasTec beginning to talk about what they were seeing in data centers. I don't think as an organization we truly understood what was coming. I think it became a lot clearer earlier this year as we began to see and read about what all the hyperscalers were saying and a lot of the data centers builders were saying. It's still an industry that's in flux right the way data centers are being built and the type of data centers that are being built or changing before our eyes right as they go from more cloud-based centers to AI-based data centers. Tremendous opportunities for MasTec. I think, we've definitely seen a massive acceleration in the opportunity pipeline. I think we're looking at a lot of different areas within the data center to work in where we think the margins are acceptable and within the kind of guidelines that we put out across our different segments of what our expectations are and we would expect to be able to hit those kind of margins in that world as well.

Andy Kaplowitz

Analyst

Got it. And then maybe just focusing on Communications, I know you mentioned work for the new contracts starts in the first half and ramps up in the second half. But maybe talk about your visibility to the ramp in Q2 and into the second half. Do you need the markets themselves to continue to get better? Or do you kind of have enough of sort of your own contracts to sort of get to the numbers that you're giving us?

Jose Mas

Management

And that's what we tried to really cover in the prepared remarks right is to say our customers, it's actually somewhat remarkable, right? Our customers actually want us to go faster for us. Our ability to hit our second half numbers are all about what we're able to engineer in the first half, right? So, it's on us, right, to the extent that we can get stuff done the work is going to be there for us in Q2 because we're almost self-generating the work based on the initial work that we're doing. That's what gives us so much confidence this year going into the second half. Historically, we haven't been in that position where we kind of control our own destiny. We're tracking it closely. We feel really good about where we're at. We feel really good about what we're going to have available to us to do in the second half. And I can tell you we've got just really strong confidence around our second half numbers in Communications.

Andy Kaplowitz

Analyst

Appreciate the color Jose.

Jose Mas

Management

Thanks Andy.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Alex Rygiel with B. Riley.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · B. Riley.

Thank you. Good morning gentlemen.

Jose Mas

Management

Good morning Alex.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · B. Riley.

Jose as it relates to EBITDA margins, can you remind us sort of what your internal targets are over the next few years on an aggregate basis? And then maybe highlight by segment where you see the greatest opportunities to see notable margin expansion?

Jose Mas

Management

Yes. So, let's start I mean with what we've historically said some of what we're experiencing, right? I think let's start with oil and gas because it obviously outperformed in the quarter. I think our visibility around the revenue in oil and gas is actually really solidified for us not just for the balance of 2024, but actually as we look at 2025 and 2026. A lot of conversations with customers about their plans. We feel really good that we're going to be in that mid-double-digit area. We've consistently been at 15% or better for a long time. And I think that we're going to be able to maintain that for a longer period of time and that's great visibility to have versus where we've been in the last couple of years. When we talked about Clean Energy and Infrastructure is getting into those high single-digits this year in 2024 we got to get into the mid-single-digits. A lot of things are changing in that business. Our visibility is dramatically better than it was last year. As we grow the business, as we get rid of all of the challenged projects that we've had over the course of last year, I think we'll begin to demonstrate that in the second half. I think margins will be a lot better in the second half than they'll be in the first half just based on the flow of work that we see both from a volume perspective and the types of projects we're on. Power delivery longer term, we know it's a double-digit business. Our goal is to be in the high single-digits this year. And in telecom, historically we've been in that 12% margin or better over a period of time. We think during the cycle we get back there. We'll be just at about double-digits for the year within our plans in 2024. So, I think look we came off a really tough year in 2023. We knew that. We're confident about our ability to show a lot of improvement in 2024, but we're not celebrating 2024 here, right? We know it's kind of a building year for us and one that we think towards the tail end of the year as we're coming out of the year, we're going to demonstrate our ability to generate much higher margins which should bode really well for 2025 and beyond.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · B. Riley.

And secondly, obviously, there's been a lot of excitement around AI and hyperscale data centers and onshoring of energy-intensive high-tech manufacturing. And it clearly sounds like you are on the cusp of sort of a convergence of many of your service offerings to these customer categories. Can you expand a little bit upon how you are going to markets to sell all those various service offerings?

Jose Mas

Management

Alex you make a great point and it's one that we probably didn't expect right when you look at the differences in our business. The fact that our infrastructure and civil business could have so much overlap with what we're going to see in power delivery and even telecom and how we bring that all together and how we sell that as a service to not just hyperscalers, but actually the builders of the data centers. There's a lot of co-locate data center builders out there as well. I think, that's really what we've been working on in the first quarter. It's truly identifying the market to understand, what the potential is for MasTec, where are areas in that that we're currently not working that we could be working. And I think, you'll see us be a lot more deliberate about that. Today, we've kind of got a lot of different people working on it and I think you're going to see a consolidated effort on MasTec's part to attack the industry under one umbrella and one service offering.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst · B. Riley.

Sounds great. Thank you.

Jose Mas

Management

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Sangita Jain with KeyBanc.

Sangita Jain

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Yes. Thank you for taking my questions. So I had one on Communications. Jose, clearly you're seeing momentum in both the wireless and the wireline side. Does your breakdown stay 50-50 as both of these ramp up? Or do you think that skews in either direction based on your conversations with your customers?

Jose Mas

Management

Yes, Sangita, good morning. I think what's changed in the last few years for MasTec is wireline became a much bigger percentage of our total telecom business. And if you look at telecom today, wireline is actually slightly bigger than our wireless business. I think wireline is going to continue to grow for sure. It's where a lot of the opportunity has been for the last few years and we see so much more going forward. But I think the acceleration of the wireless business with the specific awards that we've gotten not necessarily because the market is getting a lot bigger, but because of our ability to win market share, I think it has a potential of getting close to a 50-50 share again.

Sangita Jain

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Great. That's helpful. And if I can follow up with one on the transmission project that Paul mentioned, maybe moving to 2025. I just want to make sure I understand, is that connected to the ComEd delay? Or is that a different project?

Paul DiMarco

Management

No, separate projects from ComEd.

Sangita Jain

Analyst · KeyBanc.

And can you elaborate on what is causing that delay? Is it just general permitting or something else?

Paul DiMarco

Management

Yes. Just a general cadence for our customer of getting that project to shovel-ready.

Jose Mas

Management

I think you have a couple of different things, right? We talked last quarter about the fact that the Illinois utilities that were impacted by the ruling were shifting dollars from distribution to transmission. We're still seeing that. As we look at our guidance for the year, we haven't made big assumptions around our ability to win on the back end of that, because a lot of that hasn't come out yet or it's in the process of coming out. We feel we're in a great position to win that, but we haven't included it in our guidance for the balance of the year. So I think Paul is referencing larger transmission project. There's an enormous amount of smaller transmission work around the country that's becoming available. And I think we've been very conservative around our assumptions about what we're actually going to win and complete in 2024.

Sangita Jain

Analyst · KeyBanc.

That’s it. Helpful. Thank you, so much.

Jose Mas

Management

Thank you, Sangita.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Jamie Cook with Truist Securities.

Jamie Cook

Analyst · Truist Securities.

Hey good morning guys. Nice quarter. Jose, I guess my first question, you've always been good at sort of being opportunistic on M&A and identifying adjacent growth markets pretty early. And it's just interesting your comments sort of on data centers. So I'm wondering with your balance sheet by the end of the year getting back to your leverage ratio at two times and you look at the opportunity in data, are there ways that you could improve your competitive positioning through inorganic opportunities? Or do you think, like you can attack this market organically? And then just your thoughts there. And then I guess just second question, just on large transmission projects, longer term in the competitive environment with -- can you just talk to what you're seeing from a competitive landscape? There's not a lot of players out there that can do large transmission work. So I'm just trying to understand, if you think your win rate should accelerate over time the size of the projects that you're comfortable with and how we should think about margins on these larger transmission projects over time? Not in 2024 Jose, I'm thinking longer term. Thank you.

Jose Mas

Management

Yes. So a couple of things. Let me kind of bifurcate the question. So I feel like the first part of your question was a little bit of a trap question, but I'll go ahead and answer it. I think, we're really comfortable around where our leverage profile is. I think we've made drastic improvements. We feel great about our cash flow profile. We feel really good about where leverage ratios are going. So, I mean our balance sheet, we think, is in great shape. So to the earlier question, we think we have -- if we needed to or if we wanted to, we think we have the ability to do some things, although we're very committed to our capital structure and really keeping our investment-grade status and everything that we've been saying for quarters, right? I think that the short answer to the question is if the right opportunity came that we think positions us differently or better within what we think is going to be just an unbelievable opportunity, then we would consider doing things. It's an active market. Part of our analysis as we've looked at what the market looks like and what the needs are, and we have looked for -- we have seen things that weren't necessarily not fully engaged in or feel we have all of the right resources to compete appropriately on some of those opportunities. So it's a big maybe, right? To your second question on transmission, I think the market is going to be unbelievable. I think there's going to be a ton of work. I think we will win our share, and I think the margin expectations around that work will be solidly in the double digits.

Jamie Cook

Analyst · Truist Securities.

Thank you.

Jose Mas

Management

Thanks, Jamie.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Brian Brophy with Stifel.

Brian Brophy

Analyst · Stifel.

Yeah. Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Just curious your latest thoughts on need funding. When we -- when should we expect it to start impacting revenue? Are you still thinking this is a 2025 event? Or any concerns of delays there? Thanks.

Jose Mas

Management

No. We expect it to definitely hit 2025. We expect to see awards in 2024 relative to it. We have customers that have tremendous confidence in their ability to get certain things funded, and there are already -- many of those are already talking to us about specific projects that would kick off maybe as early as the latter, latter part of 2024, but for sure in 2025.

Brian Brophy

Analyst · Stifel.

Got it. That's helpful. And then on the Oil and Gas guidance because we're now at the higher end of that $1.5 billion to $2 billion range that you've talked about, how sustainable do you think this level of revenue is? And when will we start seeing some benefits from things like carbon capture?

Jose Mas

Management

We feel -- again, I mean, as we look at 2025 and 2026, we think it's -- we can maintain current levels. Without much opportunity around CO2, I think CO2 will play a part of it. To the extent that, that grows, I think we'll have further opportunities to grow that business over time.

Brian Brophy

Analyst · Stifel.

Great. Thanks. I'll pass it on.

Jose Mas

Management

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Steven Fisher with UBS.

Steven Fisher

Analyst · UBS.

Thanks. Good morning. So just curious…

Jose Mas

Management

Good morning, Steve.

Steven Fisher

Analyst · UBS.

Good morning. How confident are you in the ramp up to the $260 million of adjusted EBITDA in Q2? Kind of how de-risked do you think that number is? And then thinking more broadly about the full year, you talked to Andy about Communications in the second half. I'm just curious about more broadly for the whole company, what are the biggest things you need to have happen to hit the full year goals in the second half?

Jose Mas

Management

Sure, Steve. So I think, look, we had a solid beat in Q1. We left Q2 exactly like we had it originally. We feel very confident in our ability to hit it. I think we lived a really tough year in 2023, as everybody knows. We never want to be in that position again, and we talked extensively about being in a position to not only hit our numbers, but hopefully beat them consistently over time. And that's not just our view for what hopefully happens in Q2, but it's our view for what happens for the full year.

Steven Fisher

Analyst · UBS.

Okay. And then if I could just follow up on the solar side of clean energy. How smoothly would you say that piece of the business is running at this point? Is the work -- obviously, you had good bookings in the quarter. Is the whole regulatory process kind of and transitioning the execution running smoothly? And how far out are you booking work at this point?

Jose Mas

Management

So it's a good question, Steve. For us, I mean, it's like a different world. We feel so much better about our business. We feel so much better about what we understand, who our customers are, what our projects are, the risks. Again, 2023 was a really tough year, particularly in that area. We learned a lot of lessons. I think we've applied them well in 2024. So I think we have a high level of confidence. There's no question that we're building significant backlog that not only impacts 2024, but gives us tremendous opportunity for growth in 2025. As we convert some of those projects we've been talking about in the backlog, it's not even what it means for 2024. It's the level of growth we're going to be able to show for 2025, we think is substantial. We think we've really derisked our customer portfolio. I know there's a lot of talk out there about potentially other investigations relative to solar and circumventions and things like that. And we think we've insulated ourselves as well as we could. So we're really confident about, again, not just with this year and the balance of this year means to our solar business but what it means in the long-term.

Steven Fisher

Analyst · UBS.

Perfect. Thank you.

Jose Mas

Management

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Operator

We will have our next question from Brent Thielman with D.A. Davidson.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Hey. Thanks. Jose, just back on clean energy. Would you have a look at the opportunity in industrial projects, again just considering all the load demand it seems like there should be more pull on gas facilities? Curious your thoughts there.

Jose Mas

Management

So, I mean, we're not out of the market. We've deemphasized the market, so it's going to be a much smaller business for us today than it's been. I mean if you -- in Paul's prepared remarks, he talked about year-over-year backlog in clean energy that obviously, it looks down year-over-year. But when you normalize it for our decisions around industrial, it's actually up. The industrial work that we're doing today is predominantly it's all cost plus. So we think that we're comfortable around that contract structure, because we don't have a ton of risk with the complexity of some of these projects. So to the extent that we can continue to deliver and our customers feel we can give them value doing that, we'll continue to do it. As you said, we're in a -- it's an incredible market today. There's a ton of activity out there and there's -- the supply of labor is short. So to the extent that we can help our customers meet their needs, we're going to do it.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Okay. And then just on the updated view for Power Delivery this year. I guess I just wanted to get a sense of how much conservatism that might be factoring in given the movement here. Is the outlook contingent still on certain things falling into place? Or does this feel pretty flushed out?

Jose Mas

Management

Look, I think we talked about it last time. On our last call, we -- the decisions in Illinois impacted our business on the distribution side, pretty significantly. It kind of ate away at the growth that we expected for the year, so that the growth is compensating the slowdown there. Those companies have publicly said, they're moving that distribution CapEx to transmission. We have very moderate assumptions around what we will get relative to that in the numbers that we have. So we do think that if that plays out the way they've said, that's going to provide really nice upside for us in that segment. Our storm expectations for the balance of the year are very muted, and it's expected to be an active storm season. We have no idea what the reality of that will be. That provides quite frankly tremendous upside to that unit if that season comes in as normal, as a normal season would. Last year wasn't, so we've kind of replicated what we saw last year. So we do think that we've got a very achievable plan. And hopefully, if things play out well, hopefully, we deliver a much better result than what we've said.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Okay. Thank you.

Jose Mas

Management

Thanks, Brent.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Adam Thalhimer with Thompson Davis.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · Thompson Davis.

Hey. Good morning, guys. Nice quarter and good to see the stock over $100 again.

Jose Mas

Management

Thanks, Adam.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · Thompson Davis.

The T-Mobile, I was kind of surprised you mentioned that. Can you talk about the fiber opportunity there, if you're well positioned and when some work might start?

Jose Mas

Management

We've been hearing rumors for a long time that T-Mobile was going to try to build their own fiber network to support their wireless business. I think we saw it in their announcements. They're actually trying a couple of different things, but their latest announcement is a joint venture with EQT, where they're going to buy Lumos and be a key tenant and owner of that asset. We think that that shifts -- further shifts the wireless business into seeing one where all of the carriers are going to own their networks. It's a very important part of the business. And when you look at their announcement, it's not just about them using that network. It's about continuing to build out that network. So, we do feel we're well positioned. We have a good relationship with them and I think it could meaningfully impact our business over a long period of time.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · Thompson Davis.

And then Paul, your Q1 cash from ops was way above my forecast, but you didn't raise the annual guide. Can you is that some conservatism? Or can you just touch on that, please?

Paul DiMarco

Management

No. Listen last quarter I said, I thought, we're modeling that we stay in the high-70s from a DSO perspective. And with the growth particularly in the middle quarters that's what's going to drive a lot of the cash flow, so we kind of -- we're in that range for Q1. We're optimistic, there's some opportunities for improvement there, but a lot of it is just timing. We'll probably consume some working capital in Q2 and Q3 and there should be some release in Q4 just kind of in line with the cadence of revenue.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · Thompson Davis.

Okay. Thanks guys.

Paul DiMarco

Management

Thanks Adam.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Justin Hauke with Robert W. Baird.

Justin Hauke

Analyst · Robert W. Baird.

Hey guys. To ask in Oil and Gas, you said you're expecting it to be more kind of book-and-burn type work going forward less large projects, but there are some larger kind of traditional Permian lines that have made some news and are coming to market for the first time since peak in 2014, 2015. I know you talked about newer things like hydrogen. But I guess what's your outlook for big pipe there, is that still something that issue or is it kind of intentional to move towards this more book-and-burn work there?

Jose Mas

Management

Well, Justin, we would consider that book-and-burn. Those aren't projects that get awarded with -- those projects don't get awarded a year in advance or six months in advance. Those projects are being awarded relatively close to start time. Those projects tend to be much shorter in duration, because it's a lot easier to work in those areas. So that's part of what we consider our book-and-burn business. It's greatly enhanced from where it's been. A lot of it's -- a lot of what you're reading is, what we talk to our customers about. We think we're in great position especially in those markets to be very successful. So that's part of what's driving our optimism.

Justin Hauke

Analyst · Robert W. Baird.

Second question, in the Power Delivery business, we've seen some of your competitors buy some manufacturing capacity in there to deal with some of the speed to market on some of these long lead time issues. Is that something your customers are looking for you to bring to market? Is that something you'd want to move into? Or is that kind of outside of playing in that market?

Jose Mas

Management

I don't think we need to own it. I don't think it's bad to own it either. I just think it could be a different model, right? I think what you're going to see is, I think we have a lot of relationships in place. We would love to overtime be able to build more exclusivity around those relationships, as it relates to third-party builders of stuff. But I think it's interesting. It's been an interesting dynamic in the marketplace. I think our customers are really sophisticated in how they buy, and what they buy. I think they're very smart. And to the extent that we can add value, we will. But historically especially for the majors they've kind of bifurcated those buy decisions. And I don't expect it to change.

Operator

Operator

We do not have any further questions in the queue. I would like to turn the call back to Jose Mas, for closing remarks.

Jose Mas

Management

So I'd just like to thank everybody for participating today. And we look forward to updating you on our second quarter call in a few months. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.