Materion Corporation (MTRN) Q2 2021 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Greetings, and welcome to the Materion Corporation Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Andrew Vento, Manager, Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Thank you, sir. You may begin.

Good morning, and thank you, everyone, for joining us on our Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. This is Andrew Vento, Manager, Investor Relations and Corporate Development for Materion Corporation. Before we begin our remarks this morning, I would like to point out that we have posted materials on the company's website that we will reference as a part of today's review of the quarterly results. You can also access the materials through the download feature on the earnings call webcast link. With me today is Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our format for today's conference call is as follows. Jugal will provide opening comments on the quarter and an update on key initiatives. Following Jugal, Shelly will review the detailed financial results for the quarter, and then we will open the call for questions. Let me remind investors that any forward-looking statements made in this presentation, including those in the outlook section and during the question-and-answer portion are based on current expectations. The company's actual future performance may materially differ from that contemplated by the forward-looking statements as a result of a variety of factors. Those factors are listed in the earnings press release we issued this morning. Additionally, comments regarding earnings before interest and taxes, net income and earnings per share reflect the adjusted GAAP numbers shown in attachment #5 in this morning's press release. The adjustments are made in the prior year period for comparative purposes and remove special items, noncash charges and certain income tax adjustments. And now I'll turn the call over to Jugal for his comments.

Thanks, Andrew, and welcome, everyone. I'm pleased to report that we delivered very strong results in the second quarter. We achieved record quarterly value-added sales exceeding our prior record set in the first quarter, and recorded our fifth quarter of sequential top line growth. We're seeing strength across key end markets and more importantly, we continue to outpace that growth by delivering on our organic growth initiatives. Our Advanced Materials business delivered another quarterly record for value-added sales, recognizing substantial results from our commercial initiatives and strong market demand. I'm very proud of our team's continued dedication to serving our customers in this accelerating demand environment. Our businesses are effectively managing supply chain and staffing needs and mitigating the effects of inflationary pressures with a well-designed pricing model and good cost control efforts. Along with our strong financial and operational performance, we continue to execute well on our key strategic growth initiatives. Let me talk through a few highlights. Our customer-funded engineered precision clad strip project is ramping up. We are nearing completion on the construction of our new leading edge manufacturing facility and commencing startup activities. Our Optics Balzers integration is complete. Our global teams are collaborating on various customer opportunities, and we have several synergistic initiatives underway. Our organic growth pipeline remains strong across all 3 segments. We continue to make R&D and commercial investments and work collaboratively with customers to deliver new high-performing products to our customers, which will allow the company to continue at above-market organic growth rate. And finally, we have been steadily increasing our investments in our facilities and capabilities to support our growth objectives. With accelerating demand and a strong organic pipeline, we are focusing on projects that will deliver new capacity, enhance capabilities and improve yields across our business. We remain confident that these important strategic initiatives, along with many others, are positioning us as a high-performing advanced materials company that enables next generation applications. The space sector has been in the news quite a lot recently, and Materion is proud to serve this exciting industry across all 3 of our businesses and we look forward to advancing the future of the space market with our innovative solutions. On Slide 7 of our materials, we are highlighting some exciting recent wins and advancements that are helping to enable the growing space sector in a variety of different ways. First, we have announced a partnership in our PAC business to develop nuclear thermal propulsion systems for future NASA space missions. Nuclear propulsion provides greater propellant efficiency as compared with conventional chemical rockets and can enable faster travel and longer mission durations. Our products are being explored for use in critical components of the nuclear thermal engine that will propel new missions and exciting discoveries. Materion will be collaborating on this inspiring project with Ultra Safe Nuclear Corporation, Blue Origin, General Electric Hitachi Nuclear Energy, General Electric Research, Framatome and others. In addition to our continued relationship and growth with NASA, we are supporting the emerging commercial space market in a variety of ways. Let me give you a few examples of our products involved in recent commercial missions. Our Advanced Materials business supplies a gold alloy preform product used to braze the thrusters on many commercial space crafts. This product is an excellent solution for joining highly critical components and applications subject to adverse operating conditions due to its high tensile strength, resistance to corrosion and oxidation, and superior thermal and electrical conductivity. Our PAC business has also taken flight in the commercial space arena. Currently, our ToughMet 3 alloy is used in fluid control systems on commercial space launch rockets. The ToughMet alloy is used because it's extremely strong, is nonflammable when exposed to pure oxygen and it's very easy to machine into complex components. Finally, Materion provides critical optical components enabling space observation and surveillance. Our Precision Optics business has decades of experience in the design and manufacture of filter arrays that provide high-end spectral performance in extreme environments. These optical filters enable leading edge space imaging making them ideal for a wide range of applications, including space-based instrumentation, surveillance and targeting systems for missile defense and commercial satellites. We recently announced a partnership with the Vera C. Rubin Observatory on a first-of-its-kind custom optical filter, set to be used on the Legacy Survey of Space and Time Telescope, or LSST, currently under construction in Chile. In our PAC business, beryllium is a preferred material for space-related reflective optical systems and sensors. Beryllium's high stiffness to weight ratio, excellent thermal properties and dimensional stability provide unmatched performance when used as a reflective optic and structures material in space-based optical systems. Materion is proud to have beryllium mirrors that are set to launch into orbit on the James Webb Space Telescope later this year. The space sector represents a great opportunity for market growth, and Materion's specific outgrowth based on our broad portfolio of high-performing advanced technologies which continue to drive further space observation, exploration, and commercial and noncommercial aerospace missions well into the future. Now let me share some comments on the second half of 2021. We've had tremendous success in executing our growth initiatives, delivering 2 consecutive record-setting quarters for value-added sales. We are confident that we will be able to sustain this momentum into the second half as our strong end markets, coupled with accelerating organic initiatives have positioned the company on a path of continued above-market growth. As a result, we are raising our full year guidance to $3.25 to $3.45. Again, I cannot stress how proud I am of our global team's dedication to meeting our customers' needs. I would like to thank them for their hard work and dedication as we move through this outstanding year. Now let me turn the call over to Shelly to cover the financial details.

Thanks, Jugal, and welcome to everyone joining us on the call today. During my comments, I will reference the slides posted on our website this morning, starting on Slide 11. And as Jugal mentioned, Materion delivered a very strong second quarter. Value-added sales, which exclude the impact of pass-through precious metal costs, reached a record $207.9 million, up 31% from the prior year. The increase was driven by robust demand across several end markets, including semiconductor, automotive, industrial and consumer electronics. In addition, our strong pipeline of organic initiatives is delivering, helping us to achieve above-market growth as we continue to develop new advanced material solutions for our customers. We delivered an adjusted EBIT margin of 10.6% and adjusted earnings per share of $0.86, both significant improvements over Q2 of last year. Looking at Slide 12, our profitability was impacted by several key factors. Adjusted EBIT in the quarter was $22.1 million, up from $12.8 million last year. Our adjusted EBIT margin of 10.6% represents a 260 basis point increase from a year ago. The increase was largely driven by strong volumes, favorable price mix and improved operating performance, offset partially by higher SG&A and R&D expenses. Our team continues to respond well to the increased demand, resulting in favorable operating performance. The increase in SG&A and R&D this quarter represents higher variable compensation and our continued investments in R&D. Despite the increased investment, SG&A expense as a percent of VA sales improved 150 basis points year-on-year when adjusted for special items. Now let me review second quarter performance by business segment, starting with our Performance Alloys and Composites business on Slide 13. Value-added sales were $108.6 million, an increase of 21% compared to last year. The year-over-year increase was primarily due to sales to the new engineered precision clad strip customer as well as strong performance in the automotive and industrial end markets. We are seeing notable growth in our connector material for the automotive market with new applications and strong demand. Within the industrial sector, rebound in construction and mining end markets drove increased demand for our beryllium sprinkler components, appliance connectors and ToughMet components for bushings and bearings. EBIT, excluding special items, was $17.1 million or 15.7% of value-added sales compared to $11 million or 12.2% of value-added sales in the prior year. The increase was due mainly to higher sales volumes, favorable price and improved operating performance. PAC reported double-digit adjusted EBIT margins for the fifth consecutive quarter, up 350 basis points from the prior year. Now let's turn to Advanced Materials on Slide 14. Value-added sales was a quarterly record of $66.9 million, up 28% versus the prior year and exceeding the previous record set in Q1. The increase was driven by higher sales to the semiconductor and energy end markets. In semi, we are seeing a great response to our commercial initiatives aimed at data storage and mobile phone applications, and we're supporting the strong overall end market demand. Within energy, an uptick in commercial construction activity has led to higher demand for target materials used in smart glass, an innovative material used in modern buildings. EBIT, excluding special items, was $8.3 million in the quarter compared to $5.3 million in the second quarter last year. Adjusted EBIT margins improved year-over-year by 220 basis points to 12.4%. The improvement in adjusted EBIT margins was due to higher volume and strong operating performance, partially offset by increased R&D and commercial investments. Turning finally to the Precision Optics segment on Slide 15. Second quarter value-added sales were $32.6 million, up 83% compared to the prior year period. The business saw increases across key end markets, favorably impacted by our Optics Balzers acquisition as well as strong performance in both our legacy optics and display businesses. EBIT, excluding special items, was $2.9 million or 8.9% of value-added sales. As we have previously stated, Precision Optics is largely a project-based business; therefore, the impact of program timing can have a significant impact on mix and margins from quarter-to-quarter. As a reminder, Precision Optics had a strong first quarter, which results in year-to-date EBIT margins that are up 130 basis points from the prior year. It is also worth noting that on an adjusted EBITDA basis, Precision Optics margins improved year-over-year in the second quarter as noncash amortization charges from the Optics Balzers acquisition impacted EBIT margins when compared to 2020. Moving now to cash, debt and liquidity on Slide 16. We ended the second quarter of 2021 with a net debt position of $34.9 million and approximately $273 million available on the company's credit facility. The year-over-year increase in debt was primarily related to the Optics Balzers acquisition. However, we remain well below our targeted leverage range of 1.5x to 3x net debt to EBITDA. We have significant available liquidity and a strong balance sheet to continue to invest in our business. Regarding capital allocation, we maintain a disciplined and balanced approach, focusing on organic growth opportunities, returning capital to shareholders through our dividend and the pursuit of strategic inorganic opportunities. Consistent with our comments in Q1, we expect capital spending of around $100 million for 2021. The higher amount is attributed to our strong pipeline of organic growth opportunities, particularly the new engineered precision clad strip project as well as promising opportunities in each of our segments. We also continue to evaluate acquisition candidates that fit with our strategy and long-term objectives. Now let's turn to the guidance summary on Slide 17. With the ongoing strength of our organic pipeline and good underlying demand across our end markets, we're increasing our outlook for the remainder of the year. Looking first at the third quarter, we expect adjusted earnings per share in the range of $0.80 to $0.84, which is up about 64% from last year at the midpoint. We are raising full year 2021 adjusted earnings guidance to $3.25 to $3.45 per share. The midpoint of the revised guidance represents a 65% increase from the prior year. This guidance includes an estimated $0.25 per share impact from startup costs related to the construction of our new engineered precision clad strip facility. On this slide, we've also noted a few modeling assumptions for you. Overall, based on our first half performance, a strong end market backdrop and our robust organic pipeline, we feel very encouraged heading into the second half of 2021. We are investing in our business and driving key strategic initiatives to create long-term value for our shareholders in 2021 and beyond. This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open the line for questions.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Marco Rodriguez with Stonegate Capital.

I was wondering if maybe you could expand on a comment I believe I heard in your prepared remarks; when dealing with raw material pressures, I'm assuming this is outside of, obviously, the metals pricing. But you talked about some key pricing initiatives that you did to basically kind of offset that, if I heard that correctly. Can you maybe expand on a little bit?

Yes. Marco, as you know, pricing has been a very important part of our roadmap over the last 3 to 4 years, right? We've talked about that quite a bit. And we really try to develop a very strong value-based pricing model. And in that, we want to make sure that we're having the right price for the value that we're providing for our customers. As a result of that, any time that we see situations that warrant a price adjustment, whether it be raw material price increases or any other adjustments, we want to make sure that we have a model that works for us and we discuss appropriately with our customers. So this year, there's been a lot of challenges; our company's faced them, others have faced them as well, on raw material side as well as on the labor side. We've got a very, very strong model to be able to deal with that. A large part of our company, as you know, is dealing with precious metals or just pass-through metals, along with beryllium, which is something that we kind of, let's say, pass-through with our customers directly anyway. But then for the remaining part, we make sure that we are appropriately working with our customers on pricing. So pricing has been a very important part of, I think, how we've trained our sales force as we've done both our commercial excellence initiatives over the last few years.

Understood. So just to make sure also that I'm clear here. These pricing initiatives are obviously more geared towards your overall strategic initiatives that you're pushing forward more so than, shall we say just kind of an increase in pricing to try and take care of general raw material price inflation; is that correct?

No, I think it's both. I think it's actually one and the same when you think about it, right? We want to make sure, as I said, that we continue to provide the right value. And so if we see a situation that warrants an adjustment based on raw material increases, we've got a model set up where our teams clearly understand that. Our procurement team, our supply chain team, our sales teams are sort of joined at the hip when it comes to that, and they discuss the situation and then they act appropriately. And that's been a very, very strong part of our commercial excellence training that we've done over the last few years. So I think it's actually one and the same for us. But to be more specific, yes, we have taken appropriate steps for raw material adjustments and labor, supply chain, because, frankly, there's been increases really across the board, and we've made sure that we work appropriately with our customers to address those increases.

Got it. Understood. Then in terms of the strength that you guys are seeing from the end markets that's helping drive your revenue performance, you also talked about having a robust kind of organic pipeline. Can you maybe talk about, are you guys taking share in general? Or is this maybe kind of the economies of the world are starting to open back up and that's helping kind of accelerate this revenue performance for you guys?

I think it's actually both. I mean we have a number of projects where I think we have new projects being kicked off that we're introducing. So take, for example, in the EV sector, we have a lot of activity going on right now with our products to increase market position on the EV side. That's an emerging market, and so therefore, it's helping us quite a bit. You look at our aluminum scandium product that is really helping on the 5G and the growth associated with 5G. But then there's other areas where we're introducing new products, such as our new ToughMet 2 product that we've just introduced, which is a much, much better product than the typical bronze product, and it's taking share away from that. So I think it's a combination of things. We've got, I think we've got great activity going on, on the organic side on both introducing new products that can perhaps replace existing products or take share away, as you say as well as feed into the emerging growth sectors.

Understood. Then just kind of taking a look at some of the segment performance at the operating margins from the Advanced Materials and the Precision Optics, just kind of looking at the operating margin performance on a sequential basis that had kind of a bit of a step down. Can you maybe talk a little bit about the drivers there?

Yes. Sure. Look, on the Advanced Materials side, first of all, I want to say that it's the fifth consecutive quarter that we've had double-digit margins. That business has just done really, really well over the last year, 1.5 years as we've driven top line growth, as we've driven really bottom line performance on the operational side. So I'm really proud of the team of what they've accomplished. I think here in the second quarter, I mean, we had a couple of onetime expenses that we've had to deal with, minor that we've had to deal with. But more importantly, I think we continue to strengthen the R&D pipeline at that and invest in the R&D side of things. So good, strong margins. I mean year-to-date over 13% for that business. As you know, our long-term objective is to be able to get that business to more of a mid-teens type of margin. So very, very strong margin performance on the Advanced Materials side. On the Precision Optics, I mean, as Shelly indicated in her remarks, it is a lumpy business, and it is something that we deal with, and we've dealt with for a number of years. On a year-to-date basis, it's a strong double-digit margin business. We would continue to see that business to be a good double-digit business as well. But really, it's just the lumpiness of the quarters which drives it. And then as she also indicated, the EBITDA margins are actually up on a year-to-date basis. The EBIT margins are up on a year-to-date basis. So it's more of a quarterly sequencing type of a thing with the lumpiness. But very strong performance from both of those businesses.

Very helpful. And last quick question for me. You've noted some automotive strength in your business. I was wondering if you can maybe talk a little bit about what you're hearing from your customers as it sort of relates to semiconductor shortages.

Well, clearly it's been impacted by the semiconductor shortage, right, the automotive side. But I think the great thing that we have is we haven't really had a hiccup on the automotive side, even though there's been the end market hiccups because of chip shortages. We've got great products that we're introducing into the EV space that I think is contributing to that. We, last quarter, talked about our large win with Visteon on the optical filter side, that I think is a good growth activity for us. So even though there's chip shortages I think on the end market side, our business on a year-to-date basis is up 53% on the auto side. And I think it's a combination of the number of great wins that our teams have been able to do.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Michael Leshock with KeyBanc.

So first I just wanted to get an updated time line on the new clad strip facility. I know you said construction's nearly complete. But when should we expect that to be finished? And how should we think about the cadence of the ramp through the balance of the year and into 2022?

Right. Yes. So again, our teams are making great progress on that, despite the overall pandemic issues that the world has faced. So last 1.5 years, the construction has really been on track. We are nearing completion, and then we'll go into what we basically call a validation phase or qualification phase with the customer. That'll go on through the end of the year. And then it just depends on that timing and approval from our customer. And then it's our expectation that in the first half of the year, we'll ramp up the facility. And as with any ramp, as you can imagine, it'll be a bit of a trial-and-error to see how see how things proceed, Michael. But in the meantime, we continue to ship from our existing facility. Good, solid sales, as we've talked about before, from our existing facility, and we'll continue to do that until we ramp the new facility. So overall, things are proceeding very well.

And you talked a bit about pricing. But given the inflationary environment that we're in, do you see further opportunities for pricing through the balance of the year? And in what segments do you see more of those pricing opportunities in?

Well, I think pricing is something that we push across the company. In all regions and in all businesses, it is something that is an important part of our equation as I indicated in the earlier response that I gave to Marco. And it is something that we have in front of us every single day. So we expect pricing to be an important factor in Q3, in Q4. I mean like you said, it's an inflationary environment. And we make sure that we understand all of our input costs, whether it be supply chain, labor, raw material, and are factoring that in as we price our products with our customers. And our customers understand it. I mean they're facing the same issues that we're facing. So this is, I think this is an understood situation and it's something that we'll deal with here in Q3 and Q4 and any other quarters that we have to deal with.

And Michael, as you know, typically, when you put price increases in place, there's a bit of a ramp. So you can expect that impact to build through the back half of the year.

Got it. And then lastly for me on the inventory side, are you comfortable around your current levels or should we expect a further build in 3Q?

Yes. So I would say we've seen a bit of an uptick in inventory this year. Part of that is just driven by price, so not all quantity-driven. But then you've got some to support the increased levels of business. We'll have a little bit of inventory build to support the new engineered precision clad strip business. But otherwise, we looked for inventories to be at pretty good levels and we'll try to manage that tightly to increase cash flow.

Our next question comes from the line of Marisa Hernandez with Sidoti.

So to follow up on the clad project. From your prior answer, is that project just as you expected on schedule as opposed to coming in earlier than you anticipated?

Marisa, I would tell you that at this time we are on schedule and we are progressing, I would say very well to that. If we realize that our qualification period with the customer improves or if there's other adjustments, we certainly will, of course, communicate that to you and everyone else. But right now we are focused to make sure that we can launch that in the first half of next year, and all signs are indicating to that.

Got it. And then the contribution of the clad product that you are shipping right now in the second quarter, was that about the same as you were doing in the first quarter or was there a step increase in that? I'm asking because you call it out specifically in one of the slides.

Yes. Well, that business, as you know, is coming from our existing facility, and there's an amount of capacity that we can handle in that existing facility. And so we are making sure that we're getting as much product out as we can from the existing facility. So it's relatively in line with what we have done over the last 3 quarters. We really started that up, as you know, in Q4, built it up in Q1 and then now into Q2. So it's relatively in line and it's really capacity-dependent.

Got it. And that on the clad side, are there any efforts underway for new product development or new customers at this time?

Yes. I mean precision cladding, engineered precision cladding is a very important part of our business across multiple markets, all regions. And so we are focused. Our team knows it very well and very clearly that, that's an important growth space for us. So we're out knocking on doors in many places.

Got it. That's helpful. If I can ask you about OP in terms of the synergies, now that you've had some time to integrate the acquisition, what can you say about the timing for the commercial synergies you were expecting?

Yes. I think the commercial synergies, I would say are relatively in line with what we have communicated as part of our acquisition. The teams have done really well in working together. As we've indicated, we've got a global organization that we've established, putting the 2 teams together. They have been working on looking at, from a technology perspective, product perspective, customer perspective, where can we take some opportunities and work together. So it is, I would say it's relatively in line with what we have shared with you. And as we, of course, have some items that we can talk about and announce, we certainly will do that.

Got it. And then in terms of, I know you spoke about the margins earlier. But just to confirm, the value-added sales that dipped sequentially, that's also related to the lumpiness of the business? Or is there . . .

It is. It is.

Okay. So you highlighted a bunch of opportunities in the space sector. And I was wondering, I understand those are across your different segments. But wondering if you can handicap for us in any way, what the contribution from space can mean for Materion going forward?

Yes. It's a really important market for us. I would say that we're probably -- I mean, we don't report space as an end market, as you know. But in general, I would say it's probably about a $20 million, $25 million business for us, and mainly, from our PAC and our optics business, with a little bit contribution from our Advanced Materials business. We've got a number of different things that we are working on, whether it be ToughMet products that can go across the various commercial activities, without naming some names. I mean I'm sure you can understand the various commercial space activities that are going on to optical filter arrays that go across both commercial as well as defense applications and space exploration-type areas to the gold preform that we spoke of, that's also being used in the space side. In fact, it was part of the Blue Origin launch that happened here recently. We would look to have that continue to grow. To beryllium-based reflective optical systems that can be used across various satellites, both in the geospace and the [Indiscernible] space. So I think just really across our entire company, I would expect space to contribute well. We've got a great, great set of product offering, I think. And now it's a matter of how much does the market really grow? There's a lot of talk, as you know, right now both on the commercial side as well as on the defense side. So we'll have to wait and see how the market evolves. But I think we've got a great set of products that can benefit from that.

That's helpful, Jugal. I also wanted to ask about the end markets. So you've reported a lot of strength. And I'm wondering what is left in terms of cyclical uplift? I suppose aerospace has ways to go. But if you could perhaps comment on the second quarter trends relative to the first quarter and how do you see continued, potential continued market improvement from here?

Yes. If you look at our year-to-date market performance, our top 5 markets grew 25% or better, yes. So really, really good performance in the semiconductor, industrial, aero defense, auto and consumer side. Where I would say that we've got opportunities, like you said, is clearly on the energy side. We've got great performance going on, on a part of our energy business, which is something that we do in the large area target side. But the oil and gas side is challenged, challenged in terms of comparison to pre-pandemic levels; it's an improvement, of course, from last year. But we've got ways to go to the pre-pandemic levels. And then on the aero and defense side, we started to see some very, very sort of small inklings of a recovery in the second quarter, which is a very encouraging sign on the aerospace side. Hopefully, that can continue into Q3 and Q4 and start to build more of a momentum for the rest of the year. So those are a couple of areas. That I think would be really nice to see continued growth in the second half and then, of course, into '22. But the other markets, I mean, we are performing really well compared to the end market growth.

Got it. So in terms of aerospace, do you think big improvement is possible still in 2021?

Well, I think second quarter was a little bit of, I'll say, a bright spot because we started to see some uptick in the second quarter. I don't want to get too ahead of myself and say that the same will be the case in the third and fourth quarter. I would like to be able to see that continue. But I think until we see some nice orders come in, both on the MRO as well as the OE side, then I think I'll feel a little bit better and perhaps be able to communicate a little bit more confidently what the second half will bring. But second quarter was an encouraging sign.

Got it. There was some news about you making some investment or partnership in Pennsylvania. Can you comment on that?

Yes. Look. Any time that we're looking at this type of growth across our company, we're always looking to see what we can do to add capacity. And we have a really good organic growth underway, good market growth underway. And so we want to be able to make sure that we have capacity that we're putting in. We make capacity adjustments all the time, whenever we think it's necessary. So for example, we're doing a refurbishment and a capacity upgrade in our pebble plant, which is in Elmore. It's roughly a $15 million project that we talked about; actually, I think it was last year we may have talked about it. But we've been working that. We're probably about halfway complete. And then we have the news in Pennsylvania that you talked about, which is a capacity increase for us. And then we're looking at capacity increases wherever we can. I mean, our capital spending is something that we're focused on to make sure we drive appropriate growth, and we'll keep doing that.

Okay. But it still remains the case that some profits in 2022 should be down year-over-year?

I'm sorry. I didn't hear you or didn't understand what you said.

Yes. Sorry. Just trying to make sure I understand the CapEx trend for 2022, is it still expected to be down from 2021 levels?

Well, I mean, 2021 is clearly sort of an exceptional year with roughly half of our CapEx associated with our new project and then the other half being a bit in our tailings pond improvement as well as in the remaining being the, I'll call it the typical organic growth/maintenance CapEx. So yes, I would expect '22 to start to come down to a lower level, although I would expect it to be higher than our historical organic growth and maintenance CapEx because, as we have talked a lot, we're driving substantial organic growth. So I want us to be able to take full advantage of adding capacity around the world and deliver to our customers.

Understood. But there's no significant change. I was wondering if the investment in Pennsylvania meant incremental CapEx in '22, or not necessarily?

No. No, it is not.

Okay. Great. Congratulations on a very strong quarter.

Mr. Vento, we have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.

Thank you. This is Andrew Vento, and this concludes our Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. A recorded playback of this call will be available on the company's website, materion.com. We would like to thank all of you for participating on the call this morning and your interest in Materion. I will be available to answer any follow-up questions. My direct number is (216) 383-4098. Thank you very much.

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.