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Materion Corporation (MTRN)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 29, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. And welcome to the Materion Corporation’s Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I’d now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Mike Hasychak. Thank you. You may begin.

Mike Hasychak

Analyst

Good morning. This is Mike Hasychak. With me today is Dick Hipple, President, Chairman and CEO; and Joe Kelley, Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Our format for today's conference call is as follows. Joe Kelley will review the financial results for the quarter and the outlook. Following Joe’s -- Joe, Dick Hipple will provide his comments. Following Dick, we will open up the call for your questions. A recorded playback of this call will be available until November 13 by dialing area code 877, the number is 660-6853 or area code 201 and the number is 612-7415. The conference ID number is 13621493. The call also be archived on the company's website, materion.com. To access the replay, click on Events & Presentations on the Investor Relations page. Any forward-looking statements made in this announcement, including those in the outlook section and during the question-and-answer portion, are based on current expectations. The company's actual future performance may materially differ from that contemplated by the forward-looking statements as a result of a variety of factors. Those factors are listed in the earnings press release issued this morning. And now, I’ll turn it over to Joe for comments.

Joe Kelley

Analyst

Thank you, Mike, and good morning to everyone joining us on the call today. During my comments, I will cover our third quarter 2015 financial results, review third quarter profitability by segment, make some brief comments on the cash flow, and finally, cover the earnings outlook for the remainder of 2015. Following my comments, Dick Hipple, Chairman and CEO, will provide comments on market conditions and the company’s key strategic initiatives. Let me start with the third quarter financial highlights. Our third quarter of 2015 financial performance was in line with our forecasted earnings range and street estimates. However, sales and profits were below our strong prior year third quarter 2014 financial performance. Value-added sales in the third quarter which excludes the impact of pass-through metal costs were $148.8 million, 10% below the prior year third quarter value-added sale of $165.6 million. The primary reason for the decline in value-added sales was the $9.1 million, or 30% decline in value-added sales into the Asian region, primarily China. Our sales into the consumer electronics and telecommunications infrastructure market in Asian region were down significantly as the economic demand in China soften and it appears customers and distributors were correcting inventory levels. The second major influence on the third quarter 2015 value-added sales was the, I am sorry, $8.1 million year-over-year decrease in sales into the oil and gas market. The year-over-year comparisons were difficult as the second half of 2014 value-added sales into the oil and gas market were at near record high levels. As the North American oil rig count has dropped approximately 60% from the prior year levels, so have our sales volumes. Our third quarter sales into oil and gas are reflective of approximately an 80% year-over-year decrease and a 40% sequential decline from second quarter 2015 levels.…

Dick Hipple

Analyst

Thank you, Joe. Through the first nine months of 2015, we've increased sales and earnings over 2014, along with doubling our cash flow from operations. So, I am satisfied with our year-to-date performance in a challenging environment that we find ourselves. The Materion team has responded very well in taking the necessary actions to counter some of the headwinds that we find ourselves in. As you may remember from our most recent investor call at the end of July, we commented on the building uncertainty and volatility in the end markets we serve and the persistently sluggish macroeconomic environment. These factors all piled on to provide for a challenging third quarter for Materion. As I will outline in a moment, we believe we will see the trough of this swing and demand in the second half of 2015. We are encouraged by the order entry rate pattern thus far in the fourth quarter and most importantly, our long-term strategy for sustained growth remains intact. I will also touch on some of the decisive actions we've taken to align our operations and cost structure in order to hasten the return of our momentum and earnings growth. On a quarter-to-quarter basis, our value-added sales dropped by 10%. While disappointing, it is also reflective of the markets and geographies we serve and primarily driven by lower sales in Asia and the ongoing decline in oil and gas. Sequentially, value-added sales were lower by 8% from the same drivers as the year-on-year results. Several markets did show overall growth, including industrial components, defense and medical. If you look deeper, there are three discrete factors that account for nearly all of the value-added revenue drop. First in Asia which by way of background, represented nearly 24% of our global sales in the second quarter. On…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Edward Marshall from Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Dick Hipple

Analyst

Good morning.

Joe Kelley

Analyst

Good morning.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

So we just thought that the impact in China would have been felt in the AMT business, I think it’s a little bit more electronics related and it looks like it held up pretty well in the quarter. And most of the charges that you took were in Precision Coatings, even though it looks like you had a pretty good quarter. So is that something that your premium that it’s going to deteriorate as we move forward or I mean because on the sequential basis I think that it actually improved?

Dick Hipple

Analyst

Yeah, I think the restructuring that we took was in our China operations, which is the overall Precision Coatings includes our diabetic test strip market, which is where you see the big improvement. The restructuring occurred in the China operations where we did have a pretty big downturn in the use of our color roll product for the DLP applications. So it was a very application focused over in China versus the overall business that you see. And we have improved that business significantly year-to-year which is at break, but we still have to manage on the subset basis there depending on the product line fits within that business.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Got it. And as it relates to China, I know you mentioned the inventory issue, but I am curious is it also an FX issue, I mean are you getting priced out of the market due to kind of some of the price competition that might be?

Dick Hipple

Analyst

The good point that you pick up between the Advanced Materials business and the alloy business, the Performance Alloys and Composites business, that was very perceptive. And in the case of the Advanced Materials business, the biggest output there is really going to be into the wireless sector and then subsector that would be the telecom infrastructure which we talked about. The wireless sector hasn’t been that bad. There has been some slowdown a bit, maybe it’s not quite as strong, but it hasn’t really seen the dramatic decline in overall China, whereas the Performance Alloys and Composites business, their sales into China are more impacted by the general China environment. for example I think roughly speaking there is a lot of our product goes through the distribution there, but about maybe only 20% of our product goes into the wireless sector from that business unit and the balance is going into automotive appliance and those sort of connector applications. And so when you think about China where their automotive sales are down 17%, obviously there is going to be hell of an issue in some of those markets there. So what we’ve seen is a much greater decline in our alloy business than our advanced materials business as a function of a market that they’re playing in China. And to your question on within China with the exchange rate, part of our Performance Alloys and Composites declined in China, I think most of it’s driven by the actual macroeconomic slowdown in China, but we have probably lost a bit o share due to pricing because one of our key competitors in that region of the world is yen based. And so you are certainly familiar with what’s happening between the dollar and yen. So we have a bit of a battle going on there.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Got it.

Dick Hipple

Analyst

Hopefully I have answered, give you a little color on that.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Absolutely. And I am curious on that point. Is there a need to, you probably have done this, so but I know you cut 4% of the workforce, is that enough, I mean, is this, I mean…

Dick Hipple

Analyst

We cut 8%.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Oh, right.

Dick Hipple

Analyst

And so, yeah, we have been pretty aggressive here.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Yeah. I mean, it just look like the business deteriorated quite a bit in the third quarter, both sequentially and year-over-year. So, I mean, I guess, there more to come or is that just…

Dick Hipple

Analyst

Well, we’re going to have to -- we’re always are going to be adjusting based on volume, so that’s our DNA and we’re going to do whatever is appropriate. But then at the same time we also -- I just say, there is a few words here that we’re start to see the order book pickup again. So you don’t want to be adjusting for what’s happened in the real view mirror, you want to also be analyzing what’s going on in the order book.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Got it. And I guess, and moving into kind of the fourth quarter period here and that generally is a -- I don’t know, we’re almost a month through and I don’t know if you have kind of insight. But looking at some of the consumer electronics and maybe the holiday build, I mean, the quarter itself was down 17%. Does that -- you talk about orders level now, I’m curious if you have any insight whatsoever on the holiday build so far this year, I would have assumed you’ve already seen it at this point?

Dick Hipple

Analyst

Yeah. Another words there and that’s reflect in our forecast, it was softer than expected.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

For the holiday build in the Q4.

Dick Hipple

Analyst

Yeah.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Great. Okay. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Marco Rodriguez from Stonegate Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · your question.

Hi. Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my questions. I apologize. I had to jump on the call a little bit late, if you review this or answer these questions, let me know, I can follow-up you guys after the call?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Okay.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · your question.

I wanted to drill down a little bit more in terms of the restructuring on the last question there, you’ve mentioned that you cut 8% of the workforce and you’re always looking to reduce additional cost or to streamline costs? But kind you kind of give me a sense as far as how much more you can actually kind of cut before you kind of cut into the bone if you will?

Joe Kelley

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. I guess, let me take that. This is Joe. A little bit, I’ll break it down for you, because on the call the reduction in the headcount in the quarter was 4% for the company. And if you look at our Precision Coatings group and particularly our Precision Optics business, but at the Precision Coatings group the headcount reduction was 10% in the quarter. And so we were more aggressive there and that was primarily in our China operation, we saw the volume impact. I would say the majority of that headcount was direct labor. There was also some engineering resources and R&D included. And so we are still very functional there and haven’t cut down pass the bone I guess as you would say. In the Performance Alloys and Composites business the quarterly headcount reduction there has been about 4% as well, that headcount comes out without -- you just see in our restructuring charge. And so for instance, we do have temporary workforce that we can reduce and retirements and not filling open positions. And so we’re little bit more flexible there without taking the restructuring charge. And so that’s the business that I think when you listen to our comments we see mainly a lot of the volume drop there is perhaps associated with de-stocking. And as we see a recent up-tick from the top levels in the order entry, we haven’t yet gone further, but it is available to go further if the volumes continue to decline. However, we seen a recent uptick so at this point in time there is no plan to go further in that business.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · your question.

Got you. And then in terms of the slowdown in the businesses that you’re seen obviously in Asia-Pacific, China, and oil and gas business, too fairly I guess, well known events, you’ve talked about them a little bit in last quarter? I’m just trying to kind of figure out what changed between Q2 and Q3 that cause the additional decline in your or rather in the adjustment of your forecast for earnings for fiscal ’15. And then if maybe you can talk a little bit about your confidence level of where you’re guidance is now?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. So our visibility goes out depending on the product line and depending on the business, let just say, eight to 10 weeks. And so if you want to know specifically, I think, I covered in my comments, but what changed from when we gave our guidance last quarter to now as it relates specifically to Q4 was the oil and gas rig count and that pull back have sequentially declined 40% for us. The rig count went from being down 50% to being down over 60% and so that was work then we have forecasted. We have forecasted it would be down but not down that much. As it relates to the Asia telecom, you are correct, we did have visibility to that and we did accurately forecast that. What we fail to accurately forecast as it relates to China was the broader slowdown in overall China market demand and the impact specifically that it had on our copper beryllium product line that goes mainly into electronic connector material in a very broad base of the China market. And so what was worst and what we saw just a quarter ago in terms of our older rate was mainly on the Performance Alloys and Composites side associated with the China and they drop off in the connector market.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · your question.

Got you. Understand. And then last quick question, I’ll jump back in the queue. Even what you know now and given what you might be thinking about for fiscal’15, maybe you can kind of just give us a little bit of some directional ideas as far as how you’re feeling about fiscal ’16? How we should be thinking about movements in value-added sales and the expense items as well, just kind of a broad high level picture if you will, not asking for a specific guidance?

Joe Kelley

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. So, I guess, I’ll led Dick to comment more detail, but my initial comment was we feel very confident in our new product portfolio and when you look at where we are doing our qualifications with new customers on the new products, its actually been more successful I would tell you than what we have forecasted just six months ago. That being said, customer acceptance and the timing of that is always uncertain, but it has slight encouraged. As it related to the economic environment, the slowdown in China and that impact while we view it as transitory ran into what level that comes back is at this time uncertain, as is the forecast for the recovery in the oil and gas. While we feel we’re through the trop based on our current order entry rate, it’s not like it has recovered back to second half 2014, early 2015 level. So at this point we have some positives and some uncertainty as we look at 2016.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

It was interesting. I was on my way to work this morning, listening to the radio and this whole China creates quite a dilemma when it starts to see some of these numbers of pretty dramatic declines in some of their markets. And they just indicated PMI index at 47 or auto sales 17% down. They have lowered their interest rates six time during the year. Then Premier came out this morning and he said that they are going to eliminate the one child policy and they plan to eliminate poverty by 20-20. So all that tells me is those fellows over there, they’re going to have to do lot of stimulus to play a lot thick to get Chinese economy rolling again. So we’ll see if that happens but obviously, if they’re going to press really hard to get them out of the trop here right now, I expect they’re going to be pushing pretty hard which would be certainly good news for us.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · your question.

Got you. Thanks a lot of guys. Appreciate it.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Phil Gibbs from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Good morning, John.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Good morning, Phil.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Question on oil and gas and beryllium, do you have any further line of sight into the customer inventories or what are they telling you there? And then secondarily, if you could update us on the beryllium negotiations you tagged in your press release this morning.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. The inventories in oil and gas, they give you a feel that you’ve got drilling rates down 60%. And our sales were down in that market about 80%, I mean, it’s just breath taking. That’s not going to continue on forever. We’ve been at these pretty low rates. I think the drilling guys, we starting to see the big cut back in the second quarter. So my guess is that usually it takes two to three quarters to flush out inventory when you had that kind of a dramatic decline. So my expectation is that even if the market doesn’t improve, our order book will be improving, certainly start to see some higher sales in the first quarter. That how typically how these things work. So, we can actually -- as Joe mentioned earlier we get these crazy swing on inventory adjustment. So markets can remain flat but our sales will start to come up because we over adjusted on the downside for the inventory adjustment. So that’s my personal view. Just right now, is that we’ll actually start to see an order book pick up in oil and gas even if we are saying in that 40 to 50 range. This is going to be record levels like we had in fourth quarter 2014, but it certainly going to be better what is right now. What was the other question?

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. The beryllium negotiation

Joe Kelley

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. The beryllium negotiation, I guess, I don’t want to name names. But we expect to have our first kind of contract sign before the end of the year reflecting that situation. And it probably appropriate time we can announce.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Sure.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Joe, I would add to that. Just on the inventory level U.S. specifically about oil and gas. But we also see similar when we look at our customer that our distributor in Asia. They appear to have adjusted their inventory levels based on the slower growth and see a little bit of picket up in strip order there and some strip product, so, within Performance Alloys. So some more comment where we believe, based on our view of the order entry rate that they being our customers and distributors in oil and gas in Asia have been through the inventory adjustment period. And that’s going to take 8 to 10 weeks for the flush to our financial. But that’s what we’re seeing in the most recent order entry.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Perfect. And then on the side of the margin in the coatings business, I realize margins can bounce around pretty aggressively but was this an extraordinary quarter in terms of your operating margin or is the something that is likely to continue at this levels?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. Again, that within our Precision Coatings group, we have different product line and the advancement in our medical product line is actually what’s driving a lot of this improvement in profitability. And that’s a new product wins that they’ve had in blood glucose test strip and some market share gain there. When we look into Q4, I think and -- you look at our long-term this group should maintain double-digit OP as a percentage of VA. So we’ve done some restructuring in China business, some market share wins and improvement in the profitability of the Large Area Coding business which serves medical and market. Such that we think we should be running around double-digit OP as a percentage of VA there. So it is a little bit high because there were some big wins in the medical this quarter but on a go forward rate, Phil, I would -- we would like to see that in double-digits.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Okay. That’s very helpful. And then just lastly I think $600,000 you called out as a non-repeatable item in the gross margin hit that you outlined in your new release. What is the flow through, which segment?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Precision Coating segment.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Okay. That would have been like a severance charge or something?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Correct. That’s a severance associated with direct labor.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Terrific. Thanks a lot guys.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Thank you, Phil.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Edward Marshall from Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Edward Marshall

Analyst · your question.

The guidance range for Q4 is $0.30 to $0.40 based on adjustment numbers I think. Well, I think about you have the wide range and I think that there is couple extra days maybe even whole week in the fourth quarter. Is that what kind of the range kind of implies, I mean is that what you are trying to capture there being so wide or is there something else?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Yes. So the range you are correct, it’s $0.31 to $0.41 what the range implies. And as you’re aware, we do have some products particularly in our beryllium business that can get pushed out or pulled in. And also, there is some volatility in the market, so we’d like to keep it within range. So we have scenarios where we are on the high side and we have scenarios where we are on the low side, but we have a degree of confidence that we will be within that range.

Edward Marshall

Analyst · your question.

And I guess circling back to the extra days. Do you anticipate especially on the automotive world maybe do you anticipate that?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

There is no extra day in the fourth quarter. To remind you, we are on the 544, so we have 15 weeks in everyone of our quarters and actually when you actually look at Q4, you’ve got Thanksgiving and Christmas in there. So I want fewer as extra days.

Edward Marshall

Analyst · your question.

Got it. Okay. In the automotive suppliers, I think they said all the last year what’s your fall process there? I mean what is the commentary then to you? Is it work through the holiday season in some cases and maybe not another, what so properly?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

I don’t know for sure. But my guess is it would be no this year, because I think if you take a look at some of the macroeconomic data that is out there, the inventories are climbing on automotive.

Edward Marshall

Analyst · your question.

All right. Is what the customer of yours, big customers?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

We don’t go -- typically we go through like a delta.

Edward Marshall

Analyst · your question.

Okay.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

So that two would be going through.

Edward Marshall

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And then lastly did you refer to shares in the quarter, did you tell us how many shares do you repurchase?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

In the quarter we’ve repurchased, I mean just said -- that number I lost is a 140, 000 shares.

Edward Marshall

Analyst · your question.

140, 000 shares and was that -- that was done evenly throughout the quarter or is the…?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Average price is $31.23.

Edward Marshall

Analyst · your question.

Got it. Thanks very much.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

You bet.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Phil Gibbs from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Thanks again. Just a clarification, could you say that your oil and gas related sales were down 80% or your orders were down80%?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Sales.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Okay.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Value-added sales.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Got it. But do you have other clue?

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

That’s kind of rough taking. Isn’t it?

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Yeah, extreme highs and extreme low, that is the pleasure of being in a cyclical sector.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

I think what I’ve been with my directors at the beginning of the year, I don’t think they would accept it at 80% down forecast, they would say I was just…

Phil Gibbs

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. Well, it’s surprised everybody. It will surprise everybody when it comes back too.

Dick Hipple

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. It’s day that what’s interesting about that 80% is that -- and I made this comment a prior year Q3 and Q4 are oil and gas sales were new record high. And so in the industry they were I guess they didn’t see a comment so they built their inventories and I think that’s what why we’re seeing it down so month.

Operator

Operator

Okay. Management, it appears there is no further question at this time. So let’s make any closing remarks.

Mike Hasychak

Analyst

Sure. This is Mike Hasychak. We would like to thank all of you for participating on the call this morning. I will be around the rest of the morning as well as this afternoon to answer any further questions. My direct line is 216- 383-6823. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And thank you for your participation.