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MSC Industrial Direct Co., Inc. (MSM)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 20, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the MSC Industrial Supply Fiscal 2022 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Chironna, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead.

John Chironna

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew, and good morning to everyone. Erik Gershwind, our Chief Executive Officer; and Kristen Actis-Grande, our Chief Financial Officer, are both on the call with me today. During today's call, we will refer to various financial and management data in the presentation slides that accompany our comments as well as our operational statistics, both of which can be found on our Investor Relations web page. Let me reference our safe harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, a summary of which is on Slide 2 of the accompanying presentation. Our comments on this call as well as the supplemental information we are providing on the website contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the U.S. securities laws, including statements about the high inflationary environment and global economic conditions on our business operations, results of operations and financial condition expected future results, expected benefits from the investment in strategic plans and other initiatives and expected future growth and profitability. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by these statements. Information about these risks is noted in our earnings press release and the risk factors in the MD&A sections of our latest annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC as well as in our other SEC filings. These risk factors include our comments on the high inflationary environment and global economic conditions. These forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations, and the company assumes no obligation to update these statements, except as required by applicable law. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. In addition, during this call, we may refer to certain adjusted financial results, which are non-GAAP measures. Please refer to the GAAP versus non-GAAP reconciliations in our presentation or on our website, which contain the reconciliations of the adjusted financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to Erik.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Thank you, John. Good morning, everybody, and thank you for joining us today. I hope you're all doing well. We had an exciting year, and our fiscal fourth quarter was definitely no different. On today's call, I'll reflect on our recent performance, share my perspective on the current environment and outline our goals for fiscal '23. I'll also discuss our fourth quarter acquisition of Tower Fasteners. Kristen will provide more specifics on Q4 and on our fiscal '23 framework. I'll then wrap things up, and we'll open the line up for questions. Before I get into our performance, I'd like to mention our newest member of the MSC executive team, Chief Operating Officer, Martina McIsaac. Martina started at the beginning of this month and come to us from Hilti Corporation with a proven track record of driving both top line growth and profitability improvements. Her experience in implementing an organic revenue growth engine and expanding share of wallet in adjacent products and services fits perfectly with our strategy. Equally exciting, it's her experience with using Lean and Six Sigma to improve productivity, operating rigor and execution. We're thrilled to have Martina on board. Over the past year, we've made our culture and talent development, a core focus of our business. The addition of Martina further emphasizes our growth on this front. Martina has lived by values and principles that line up perfectly with MSC. She's a strong leader of people and a strong advocate of DE&I. We're also in the midst of refocusing our ESG program and more clearly communicating our progress, building on a legacy of good corporate citizenship since the founding of our company. We'll be releasing our annual ESG report next month, and I look forward to further discussing our ESG goals moving forward. Now on to…

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst

Thank you, Erik. I'll begin with a review of our fiscal fourth quarter, then update you on the progress of our mission-critical initiatives. Before I turn it back over to Erik, I'll close with our thoughts and guidance on fiscal 2023. On Slides 4 and 5 of our presentation, you can see key metrics for the fiscal fourth quarter and full year on a reported basis. Slides 6 and 7 reflect the adjusted results, which will be my primary focus this morning. Our fourth quarter sales were up 23% versus the same quarter last year and came in at $1.02 billion. This includes the 53rd week this fiscal year. So on an ADS basis, our sales were up 14% for the quarter as compared to the same quarter last year. Our fourth quarter acquisitions represented nearly 250 basis points of the growth. Looking at growth rates for our average daily sales by customer type, Government sales increased over 30%, fueled by fulfillment under our 4PL contract for the U.S. Marine bases and other public sector spending. National Account growth was high teens, and core customers grew high single digits. Our gross margin for the fiscal fourth quarter was 41.9%, down 100 basis points sequentially from our third quarter and down 10 basis points from last year's fiscal Q4. The quarterly decline includes approximately 60 basis points from the seasonal product mix of summer goods, headwinds from the acceleration in the public sector growth rate and a 40 basis point impact from our recent acquisitions. We continue to see inflation from our suppliers, particularly on the metalworking side of the business, albeit at a slower pace than the past year. In response to supplier moves, we implemented a roughly 1% price increase in August. Realization rates remain strong as our customers…

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Thank you, Kristen. As we wrap up fiscal 2022 and we're full speed ahead into fiscal 2023, I remain quite pleased with our company's performance. We are tracking to each of our mission-critical goals for the end of fiscal 2023 and are seeing momentum build with - inside the company. Regardless of the macro environment, we'll remain squarely focused on what we can control, capturing market share and hence, growing well above IP, and then translating that growth into profit expansion. I'd like to thank our entire team for their hard work and dedication, and we'll now open up the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Ryan Merkel with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst

Hi, good morning everyone.

John Chironna

Analyst

Hi Ryan.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Hi Ryan, how are you?

Ryan Merkel

Analyst

Doing well, let me say, first off, thanks for all the details on the outlook. I know it's a tricky time, so we appreciate it. Can I start with price? I think it was contributing 7% in the quarter. And I know you don't want to give price and volume assumptions for 2023, but should we assume that there's more price at sort of the midpoint of the sales guidance versus volume?

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst

Yes, Ryan. So first of all, the 700 bps is a little bit lower, closer to 600. The 2023 contribution from price, yes, I would say that's fair to assume that at the lower end of the range, that there is a disproportionately higher contribution from price right.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst

Got it, okay. And then on the macro assumptions, makes sense what you provided. When you say that contracting industrial economy, can you just put a finer point on that? Are you thinking IP down in the like 5% range or would it - could it be worse at that lower end? How are you thinking about that?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Yes, Ryan. So it's certainly an interesting time because we start by - if you look at the current results, the current conditions with our customers are still solid. And you could see September's growth rate, good October, Kristen mentioned is trending similarly. So we're starting the year off in positive IP territory and obviously, double-digit growth territory. So the assumptions, we're making - and look, our guess is as good as yours, right? This is really uncertain times. Basically, you have the high end of the range, the low end of the range. Yes, so we're indexing it on IP, Ryan. And effectively, where we're at is the high end of the range assumes a flat IP. Now this is through the course an average of our fiscal year. So realize that we're starting in positive territory, even the higher end of our band here is assuming that conditions erode, and that the IP erode so that - such that by the back half of our fiscal. The math would work out that at some point, IP turns negative. It just would be modestly negative to get you to an average of flat. The low end of the range on the other hand, assumes more aggressive erosion in the environment such that the average of the full year is negative IP. So you can imagine if we're starting the year in positive territory to get to a negative average for the year by the back half of our fiscal, we're in pretty healthy negative territory. That's the assumption.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst

Make sense, okay. And then just last one heavy manufacturing faster [ph] sales. And from what I hear, that those customers have big backlogs, higher than normal. Is that something you're hearing? And is that something that is a little bit different this cycle that could help sustain sales, maybe a little bit longer than we're thinking?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Ryan, I do think it's possible. So what we're hearing from customers is, yes, conditions now are stable, and I do think part of that is you take industries, Ryan, that have been on their back for so long, like aerospace and even automotive, where there's just - it's been such a supply-constrained industry that there is a larger - yes, I think that's a fair point. So there is the potential that, that could carry us for a while. We'll see, but I think it's a fair observation.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst

Got it. All right, thanks, congrats.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Thanks, Ryan.

John Chironna

Analyst

Thank you.

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Stephen Volkmann with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. May be just building off of that, Erik, it sounds like what you're saying is that you're sort of looking at the big broad macro picture and trying to be sort of prudent. But you're not actually hearing any real issues from any of your customers? I think maybe you mentioned some of the consumer-facing guys. Just any more color on what your customers are actually saying?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Yes, Steve. So in general, I would say right now, our revenues feel solid. When we look at our own internal trends feel solid, customer activity levels are solid with some isolated pockets. So anything touching consumer right now, that's where they're feeling some softening. So for instance, the food processing sector is feeling in a bit. RV industry, you could imagine, is actually down quite a bit. But for the bulk of our customer base that's heavy industry, it's still solid. What we are hearing in fairness, Steve, is we're hearing caution. So a lot of our customers, as they look ahead, they're not seeing it in their business. But I think some of that just could be self-fulfilling. Everyone's reading the headlines. Everybody is seeing the sentiment indices. So they're expressing caution for 2023, which is why we're taking a somewhat cautious stance in our guidance range. But in terms of what we're seeing now, no, it's still good.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Okay, that's helpful, thank you. And then is it possible - this may not be a fair question, but what do you think your exposure is to sort of consumer type end markets, just roughly?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Really, it's one of those that's really tough to give you a number, Steve, because so many of our customers, job shops, machine shops that are doing work for multiple industries. It's tough for us to get to a number, but what I would tell you is it's pretty small. The bulk of our business is heavy industry and not consumer-facing.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Yes, that's what I thought. And then a final one, I'll pass it on. I'm just curious how we should think about we're seeing the declines in lots of input costs, whether it's metals or other commodities, I mean, even energy lately, transportation and logistics costs are down, at least on the big indexes? And how do we think about how that sort of plays through to you guys?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Yes, Steve. So the first thing I'll say is, you're correct on all of those things coming down. This is a bit of an unusual cycle in that you have other factors that are sort of booing costs. And you're seeing inflation numbers continue to outpace what expectations are every month. We're still seeing cost increases coming from our suppliers late through - late calendar 2022, and we're hearing [amaze] in the early calendar 2023, certainly not at the rate and pace it was or the size, but still there. You have - labor is a major issue and a major input cost for most companies and wage rates are still high. So that's booing it a little bit. I will tell you in terms of ultimately if things really do come down historically, you can never say never, but historically, our product lines for the most part do not see price deflation. There could be a period where we don't get price, but they don't come down in past cycles. The reason is typically most of what we sell - the raw material itself is a relatively small percentage of the finished good. And so you have lots of other factors. Now again, never say never, but historically, it's not mean price deflation.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hi, but I appreciate the time.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Thanks Steve.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from David Manthey with Baird. Please go ahead.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you. Good morning everyone.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Hi Dave.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

First off - Erik, when you talked about the framework, and you said it will - you'd report above framework in theory if conditions do not deteriorate, just to be 100% clear here. When you say do not deteriorate, you mean IP does not slow from the current mid-single-digit growth rate? You don't just mean it's positive, right?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Yes - basically, what we meant, Dave, is that look, if IP the - top of our framework assumes roughly a flat IP, plus or minus a bit. So if IP for the year were nicely positive, what we're saying is meaning a couple of points or more that we would expect to be on top above the framework. And look, proof point is - take a look at September positive, nicely positive IP and where the growth rate is tracking is obviously well above what the top end of the range is, and we're seeing the same thing for October, roughly plus or minus. So that's what we meant.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

All right, thank you for that. And then relative to the framework, you mentioned that - ET and Tower are going to add a couple of points of growth via acquisition. Did you mention, Kristen, what of the remaining 3% to 7% is price mix at this point? And then a related question there's, within that assumption, and I guess you're talking about a sliding scale because you sort of straddled the calendar year, are you assuming that price goes flat at some point in your framework methodology?

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Yes Dave, a few thoughts. First, we didn't break down the growth, and it does kind of vary whether you're at the low end of the framework or the high end, and that's because of the assumptions around price and what you get price carryover I think it's definitely fair to assume we'd be targeting that 400 basis points of share gain regardless of where IP falls. And then there would be potentially some upside to perhaps share gain volume assumptions. The - I think the second part of your question was on whether or not price cost went flat in the year. Did I catch that right?

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Yes.

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Yes, it does not. So we're still price plus positive for the year. We're expecting not to flip to a headwind in that regard until fiscal 2024 based on everything that we're seeing right now and the timing of the costs roll off from the balance sheet.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Got it, okay. And then just one small one here, in your segment breakdown or your customer breakdown, you reallocated some previously other nonmanufacturing customers. I think it looks like a lot of them landed in heavy manufacturing. I'm confused by that. Could you just talk about what the definition change to other was?

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Yes, so not so much a definition change to other. But happened there Dave, is we have a process where we use a third-party to help us account for which of those segments our customers fall into. And a lot of times, it's kind of difficult to attribute them to one or the other because, as Erik mentioned before, you have oftentimes like job shop coming in, you don't necessarily know where to apply them. So we actually have a manual process that happens. Like after the third-party kind of does its first pass, we go in and we say, okay, where do we actually think the best end market or segment is to attribute this customer to. And we've basically gotten backlog this year with the number, of new customers that have come in. And we did a big kind of process improvement on that in the fourth quarter, and that's why you saw that shift out of other and into the other bucket. So we feel pretty good about the change that we made and the ability to do that on a much more regular basis going forward.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Okay got it. All right thank you. See you in a couple weeks.

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Take care.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Thanks Dave.

John Chironna

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Thanks Dave.

Operator

Operator

And our last question today comes from Ken Newman with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Hi, good morning guys.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Hi Ken.

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst

Good morning.

John Chironna

Analyst

Good morning, Ken.

Ken Newman

Analyst

I just had a clarifying question on price - from a price [technical difficulty] here. Maybe just any color on how much of sales growth guide for this year, the carrying over effect from supply [technical difficulty] in as last year?

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst

Ken, I think you're --

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Can you repeat that?

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst

Ken you're a little bit hard to hear. It's kind of breaking up a little bit.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Yes, I was just asking, within the sales growth side, any color on how much that is the carryover effect from increases that you enacted last year?

Kristen Actis-Grande

Analyst

Yes, so we didn't give a specific range on that Ken. But the way I'd tell you to think about it is if you go back and look at the timing of the price increases in 2022, you're still getting a healthy benefit from price, like if you kind of think sequentially through the year, I'd expect price to be peaking in the first quarter based on the timing and the amount of those increases that went into effect in 2022. And then because of the price carryover, which is pretty healthy at the low end of the framework you should assume a disproportionately higher contribution from price and at the high end of that doing well.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Got it. And then you're - for my follow-up, you're expecting a pretty strong free cash flow this year, and you've already done a few deals in the last few quarters. Maybe talk, a little bit more about the M&A funnel expectations for more deals this year?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Yes Ken, and happy to do that. And maybe what I'll do is even zoom out a bit from M&A and just to our capital allocation philosophy in a fairly unique time. Look, so we're sitting - we feel very good about our position right now. We're sitting at plus or minus 1.5 turns of leverage, which is a comfortable spot for us. What I would say is, this year, more than others, given what's happened with interest rates, we're going to be really scrutinous about how we use cash. Look, priority one remains reinvestment into the core business, which we're pleased. We've got some areas we've highlighted that we think are really working. We're pleased there. Our priority two is going to be continued steady growth of the ordinary dividend. And then we've got three things on our mind in terms of what we do with excess free cash flow that we expect to generate. And those three are debt reduction, share buyback and M&A. And we're going to look at all three and evaluate returns carefully. What I would tell you with respect to M&A, Ken, is what you're seeing us do as part of our strategy here, we've built out a couple of platforms that really fit into our brand of being on the plant floor and technical and high touch. Obviously, metal work can be the roots of the business, the C-Part consumables, the CCSG business being a second platform and OEM Fasteners being a third. What you saw us do in the last quarter was tuck-in deals. So relatively small compared to company size into those platforms. And I think if you see us do M&A this year, it will be a continuation of that theme, which will be relatively small and tuck-ins to existing platforms. So given the current environment, I would not expect us, I mean, you never say never again, but the hurdle would have to be really high to do something big and really high to do something that's outside of one of those core platforms.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Right may be just, one more follow-on to that. I mean, maybe a little bit more color on how you think about - how do you expect operating margins the group wants to discuss here, do you expect that the margin profiles for Tower and Engman-Taylor is kind of get [technical difficulty] some apathy or any color in terms of where you expect that [technical difficulty]?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst

Yes, Ken, you were breaking up a little, but I think we'll split back your question here, tell us if we get it right is where you're going is the margin profile on the small -- on the tuck-in acquisitions and how it performs over time. If I've got that right, typically, it's very typical what we see with a smaller distributor that their gross and operating margins are going to be well below MSCs to start. And that's very typical of the industry. And so, what happens is out of the gate year one, as Kristen highlighted in our margin framework, you see an immediate dilution effect to margin percentages. What happens over time though is we have a great opportunity to lift those margins, both gross margins and operating margins with all the synergy cases. And those are purchasing synergies those are cross-selling synergies. Those are all kinds of cost synergies like freight opportunities and things to take advantage of MSC scale. And so, what we see is the incremental margins, once we own the business, the incremental margins are actually quite good. And we can get those businesses really to grow, maybe not quite to MSC level company average margins, but well above where they are today. And so, the deal economics actually become really good, especially when we're looking at return on capital, as we highlighted, we should be above WACC within first full year. They're pretty compelling.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Appreciate it, thanks.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Chironna for any closing remarks.

John Chironna

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew. A quick reminder that our fiscal 2023 first quarter earnings date is now set for January 5, 2023. And over the next few months, we'll be attending several investor conferences, so we look forward to seeing you in person. Thanks again for joining us today.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.