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Madison Square Garden Sports Corp. (MSGS)

Q1 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 1, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Christie, and I will be your conference operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to The Madison Square Garden Company Fiscal 2019 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Ari Danes, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for The Madison Square Garden Company. Please go ahead sir.

Ari Danes - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

Thanks, Christie. Good morning and welcome to The Madison Square Garden Company's fiscal 2019 first quarter earnings conference call. Our President, Andy Lustgarten, will begin this morning's call with an update on the proposed spin-off transaction and the company's operations. This will be followed by a review of our financial results with Donna Coleman, our EVP and Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. If you do not have a copy of today's earnings release, it is available in the Investors section of our corporate website. Please take note of the following. Today's discussion may contain statements that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties, and that actual results, developments and events may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. These include financial community perceptions of the company and its business, operations, financial, condition and the industry in which it operates, as well as the factors described in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the sections entitled Risk Factors and Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations contained therein. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call. On pages 4 and 5 of today's earnings release, we provide consolidated statements of operations and a reconciliation of operating income to adjusted operating income, a non-GAAP financial measure. Lastly, on page 7 of the release, we present a reconciliation of adjusted operating income to adjusted operating income excluding the impact of the recent adoption of ASC Topic 606, the new accounting standard for revenue recognition. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Andy.

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

Thank you, Ari, and good morning, everyone. For fiscal 2019, we are focused on delivering another year of solid operational performance. We've also made significant progress on our proposed plans for tax-free separation of our Sports and Entertainment businesses, a transaction that we believe will enhance shareholder value while positioning both new companies for long-term growth and success. Last month, we reached an important milestone by filing an initial Form 10 Registration Statement with the SEC. We are continuing to make headway in a number of areas, including organizational structure and key intercompany arrangements. And we've made progress towards establishing a long-term venue license agreement between the Knicks, Rangers and The Garden. We believe we can complete the proposed spin-off during the first half of calendar 2019, subject to all necessary approvals and conditions. We will continue to update you in the coming months as we move through the process. Turning to our Entertainment segment. First quarter bookings results were down year-over-year at The Garden and Radio City Music Hall, as both venues benefited in the prior-year quarter from extended multi-night runs with Phish and comedian Dave Chappelle. However, looking at the remainder of our fiscal year, we feel very good about our event count and are expecting another strong booking year. We remain focused on driving venue utilization through multi-venue and multi-night engagements. High-profile recurring artists' residencies, such as our current record-setting run with Billy Joel at The Garden, are important pieces of that strategy. With this in mind, we recently announced that as part of a dual-city multiyear residency, the Tedeschi Trucks Band will play multiple shows annually through 2022 at both Beacon Theatre and the Chicago Theatre. We also announced last week that our residency with Jerry Seinfeld will return to the Beacon Theatre starting in January…

Donna M. Coleman - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

Thank you, Andy. And good morning everyone. As we noted on our fourth quarter earnings call beginning this fiscal quarter, we adopted the new accounting standard for revenue recognition. The most significant impact in fiscal 2019 from the new standard is a change in the timing of when we recognized a number of our revenue streams during the year, which impacts the quarterly year-over-year comparability of our results. On a reported basis for the fiscal 2019 first quarter, our company generated total revenues of $218.1 million, and an adjusted operating loss of $9.9 million. Excluding the impact of the new revenue recognition standard, fiscal 2019 first quarter revenue would have been $258.4 million, an increase of 5% and AOI would have been positive $25.6 million, a decrease of $4.5 million, both as compared to the prior-year quarter. Turning to reported segment results for the quarter. At MSG Entertainment, revenues of $163 million decreased 1%. This was primarily due to lower event-related revenues at our venues and to a lesser extent, lower suite rental fee revenue, offset by the inclusion of results for Obscura Digital along with higher sponsorship and signage and TAO Group revenues. The decrease in event-related revenues reflects the impact of the new revenue recognition standard as well as lower results at The Garden and Radio City Music Hall. As Andy mentioned, both venues benefited in the prior-year quarter from high profile extended multi-night runs, which added 29 shows to our overall event count. The decrease in suite rental fee revenue was due to the impact of the new revenue recognition standard, which more than offset the impact of contractual rate increases. Our suite license revenues for both our Entertainment and Sports segments are now recognized proportionately, as events at The Garden take place, as opposed to being…

Ari Danes - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Operator

Thanks, Donna. Christie, can we open up the call for questions?

Operator

Operator

Sure. And your first question comes from Brandon Ross of BTIG.

Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC

Analyst · BTIG

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. First, on the sale of the retained interest in Sports, maybe you could give us an update on the timing there. Do you expect to sell some of that before this spin occurs and maybe what's your confidence level that you could get a premium on that sale right now?

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

Hey, Brandon. Thanks. So in terms of timing, things are a little premature to discuss the timing of when a sale will occur, as we're still working through the timing of the spin-off and all the necessary approvals around it. I can tell you in terms of I think your questions around value related to it, we think that this asset is a unique asset. There's not only other public sports teams especially not prized like the Knicks and Rangers, and we really believe in the value. That said, timing is a question and, as we always do, we look to maximize our shareholder value and maximize value, and that's what we're going to look to do with this transaction.

Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC

Analyst · BTIG

Okay. And then, maybe have you learned anything on the opportunity in sports betting since the Knicks and Rangers seasons are under way and New Jersey sports betting is also under way, or do you think we probably have to wait for New York to be legalized before you can size that opportunity?

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

Well, we've already started to experience some benefit from it. We've begun taking advertising on our network, and so we have a commission related to that advertising. And the market, while it's fluid and there's a lot happening around it, we still feel very bullish as to what the effect is to our business. We'll have more at the right time as we progress and as we monitor the market but we feel very strong about how it's going to affect both the consumer engagement in our product as well as sponsorship and other revenue opportunities.

Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC

Analyst · BTIG

Okay. And then lastly on the Sphere, is there any clarity on the budget there, any – what unknown factors will ultimately determine the size of the CapEx?

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

Well, if I knew my unknown factors, they would be known, Brandon.

Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC

Analyst · BTIG

Well said.

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

In terms of timing on the cost, well, so as we mentioned we're continuing to refine our design. We've made some significant progress in terms of permitting in Vegas. We're getting closer on the London side to submit our planning application. As we continue to work on both of these venues, we've been very focused on refining the design to improve consumer experience and also – and not as important, but almost as important is to make sure we're getting economies of scale across both venues as we're designing them. And so, we'll have to come back to you on cost.

Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC

Analyst · BTIG

That was good. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Bryan Goldberg of Bank of America.

Bryan Goldberg - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Thanks. I've got two, more on the Sports Spinco and another one on the Spheres. On the Spinco, I guess what are your latest thoughts on what the day one capital structure could look like, would it make sense to draw on the existing revolvers you have in place with the teams to help fund the Spheres. And then more broadly speaking, how are you thinking about capital allocation priorities at Spinco? And then I guess on the Spheres, it's a follow-up to Brandon's. I'm sure there's a lots of complexity going into the planning right now, but are there any specific key issues you can point to that need to be addressed before you have clear visibility on the budget and obviously we would have clear visibility?

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

Well, let me start with the first question...

Bryan Goldberg - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Sure.

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

...and we'll go to the second one. In terms of – I heard a few questions in there. So I'll do my best to answer and follow-up if there's something we're missing. As always, let me start again, because I think it's really important. We're very focused on long-term shareholder value. So, that's the number one thing that we always focus on in creating value. So, why I start there is because we're working through with the right capital structure, as for both companies. We're still working through as we just discussed the cost and capital needs of the Entertainment Company. We feel very bullish about the future of Entertainment. But before we could set a capital structure, we need to really understand what our needs are with both companies. And I just want to reiterate again, we are focused on long-term shareholder value with both companies and we will continue to be. So, I think that – tell me if that covers your question on the capital structure.

Bryan Goldberg - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Yeah, that does cover it. And I guess just on the Spheres ,I mean if there's any key issues you can help us think about that really need to be addressed before we have visibility on our budget, that would be helpful.

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

Look Bryan again, I guess, it's a little further on what I talked about earlier with Brandon. The design is – we're very focused on getting all of our permitting and moving as fast as we can on that side. At the same time, we're extremely focused on design and the consumer experience. Is it going to be new forms of entertainment? Yes, it's going to have the current forms that we know over the booking and touring, but we believe there's whole types of new forms of entertainment and we're super focused on making the best consumer experience. And so, it's hard for me to tell you exactly what either I don't know or what to come out, but so far things are going really well, and we've got a great design team harmonizing the two designs, so that we can maximize the consumer experience and, at the same time, realize as many economies of scale that we can.

Bryan Goldberg - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Amy Yong of Macquarie. Amy Yong - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: Thank you and good morning. So, two questions for me, the first one is a little bit longer. But I was wondering if you can share some of the details around your recent decision to sell your stake in Azoff, what led to the decision, how should we account for it, and what does this mean for your relationship with Azoff going forward? And my second question is around the process and the sale of Liberty WNBA team, if there are any updates around that. Thank you.

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

No, happy to help. My pleasure. So, let me just start on the Liberty, just it's a quick answer. We're continuing to look for the proper owner to lead the team into the future. We very much believe in women's basketball and the team and we think that the right owner will lead it to the future, and we'll have more to report at the right time. In terms of Irving and Azoff MSG Entertainment or Azoff Entertainment, we strongly believe in what Irving is doing and building our business. That said, as an organization, we're very much focused on the MSG Sphere initiative and the future of our business. And Irving is very focused on the future of what he's building. And both are great businesses and we have a great relationship with Irving. He's continuing to supply consulting services to us. And more importantly, over the last five years, Irving has been an incredible partner and has created tremendous value for us both for the Forum, across our booking business, and we're very happy that he's going to continue to be able to do so as we head towards the Sphere initiative and working with us in LA and working with us across all of our business. You know, in fact, Irving was here a whole number of nights last few weeks and continues to be an intrical advisor to us, and we're very thrilled with the relationship and we're very thrilled for what he's built for that business.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Michael Morris of Guggenheim securities.

Michael Morris - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim securities

Hi. Thanks, guys. Good morning. I just wanted to ask about the bookings and kind of the dynamic in the quarter and going forward and specifically around kind of the multi-venue, multi-night bookings that I think have become a greater part of your sort of portfolio. So I guess my two questions, can you just provide some more detail on kind of the year-over-year comp and sort of what happened this first quarter versus last year? And I guess the point would be, we think of this as being less lumpy, as you have more this kind of agreements and so there was a little bit of lumpiness here. So, how we should think about that? And then maybe going forward, it does seem like something that is a competitive advantage for you to offer this to artists, have you sort of maximized your ability to deliver against that with your current venue portfolio? Can you still expand within the current portfolio and what else could you do to take advantage of your position there? Thanks.

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

So, in terms of the booking business, we feel very, very bullish about the business. The current environment around live entertainment has never been better and it's only – and we believe only improving, which is largely why we're investing behind two entertainment venues in two amazing entertainment markets. All consumers are more and more focused on live entertainment and millennials are even further focused than every of our other consumer, and I think driving consumer behavior. There's other dynamics that work in our favor to, the artist industry realizes the largest part of their compensation from touring, and I think that's only going to continue as well. So that'll help us with some strong tailwinds as we continue to think about our business. And we are very focused on realizing – driving our current business across the multiple – multi-markets, once we add Las Vegas and once we add London, those are two great markets that have tremendous growth, we think growth available on the Entertainment side. And as we look across those two markets plus our current markets we think there will be even further synergies that will drive our business. In terms of your question about lumpiness, let me give you two things. One is we did have Chappelle, which had I think it was 16 nights in the middle of August that's not going to happen every year no matter how strong we do in terms of bookings, but it will come back and they'll be other examples of it. Same thing with Phish, we're not going to have a 13 night residency in the middle of July every summer. But again that two or someone like that will come back as well. And we really feel good about both this year and the future. In fact, I was just looking here at The Garden, we've announced almost as many shows – this is as of today, we've announced almost as many shows as we had all of last year. So in our biggest venue, we're almost – and there's more to come. And so we really feel good about where this is going to be this year and the future.

Michael Morris - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim securities

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Today's final question will come from David Joyce of Evercore.

David Joyce - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore

Thank you. If you could just update us, please, on the TAO Group (00:26:49) but how has the tenants been trending year-over-year at the opened venues? (00:26:58) revenue per attendee been trending, are those factors you're looking at or is it just growth in the number of venues over time that will be driving that? And then secondly if you could just update us just where you are on the timetable with New York City on the Penn Station renovation and all those related factors? Thank you.

Andrew Lustgarten - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Management

So on TAO Group, let me talk – there's a few ways we think about TAO Group. First, we think about what does it do for us strategically. We've been very happy with them strategically. They've been a great partner. They're helping us to think about our business in different ways and reimagining what does it mean to be a premium hospitality, which we thought we are the leader in, they are the leader in. And so together we're driving each other's business on a premium hospitality side. What they've done with Sweet 16 here at the Garden has been remarkable and we're continuing to look at other ways to drive our business. And as we enter the new markets especially Vegas, we feel very good at having them on our side, helping us drive that business. In terms of – and they've generated very strong – really strong revenue since the acquisition and strong AOI. This past quarter the financials didn't meet our expectations, and while it probably will continue through the next quarter, TAO and us are working very, very hard to figure out how we can continue to drive both revenue and AOI in those businesses. And I think that answers that question. In terms of Penn Station, we continue to support the Governor's vision for the Station and – or whichever Governor will be post-election. But we believe in the Penn Station, that's great for consumers and everyone in the neighborhood. And look forward to working with – working to find a solution.

David Joyce - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's Q&A session. I'll turn the floor back over to Ari Danes for any additional or closing remarks.

Ari Danes - The Madison Square Garden Co.

Operator

Thank you for joining us. We look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call. Have a good day.