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Madison Square Garden Sports Corp. (MSGS)

Q1 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 3, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, my name is Christy, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Madison Square Garden Company Fiscal 2018 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks there will be a question-and-answer session [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Ari Danes, Senior Vice President of Investors Relations for the Madison Square Garden Company. Please go ahead, sir.

Ari Danes

Analyst · JP Morgan

Thanks Christy, good morning and welcome to the Madison Square Garden Company’s fiscal 2018 first quarter earnings conference call. Our President and CEO, Doc O’Connor will begin this morning’s call with a discussion of the Company’s operations. This will be followed by a review of our financial results with Donna Coleman, our EVP and Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. If you do not have a copy of today’s earnings release, it is available in the Investors section of our corporate website. Please take note of the following. Today’s discussion may contain statements that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties. And that actual results, developments and events may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. These include financial community perceptions of the Company and its business, operations, financial condition and the industry in which it operates, as well as the factors described in the Company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the sections entitled Risk Factors and Management’s Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations, contained therein. The Company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call. Lastly, on pages four and five of today’s earnings release, we provide consolidated statements of operations and a reconciliation of operating income to adjusted operating incomes, non-GAAP financial measure. I would like now introduce Doc O’Connor, President and CEO of the Madison Square Garden Company. Doc O’Connor: Thank you, Ari, and good morning everyone. We’re pleased with our start to fiscal 2018 and remain confidence…

Donna Coleman

Analyst · BTIG

Thank you Doc. And good morning everyone. For the fiscal 2018 first quarter, our company generated total revenues of $245 million, an increase of 35% and adjusted operating income of $29 million, an increase of $27.4 million. At MSG Entertainment, revenues as $164.1 million increased 48%. This was primarily due to the inclusion of operating results for TAO Group and to a lesser extent higher overall event related revenues at the company’s venues. Partially offset by the absence of the New York’s spectacular production and to a lesser degree, lower sponsorship and signage revenues. With regard to the increase in overall event related revenues, as Doc mentioned, our booking business had another solid quarter, fueled by continued growth in concerts, which translated into revenue increases at Radio City Music Hall, the Chicago Theater and The Garden. These results were partially offset by lower revenues at the forum and the theater at Madison Square Garden. MSG Entertainment ALI of $17.8 million dollars increased by $18.8 million. This reflects the inclusion of TAO Group operating results, the absence of the loss related to the New York Spectacular and higher overall event-related results at our venues. This was partially offset by SG&A and other operating cost increases and to a lesser extent lower sponsorship and signage results. At MSG Sports, revenues of $80.9 million increased 14%. This was primarily due to higher lease redistribution, pre-season ticket-related revenue and local media rights fee from MSG network. The increase in pre-season ticket-related revenue was primarily due to one additional pre-season gains and higher average per game revenue, as compared to the prior year period. MSG Sports AOI of $25.8 million, increased by $10.4 million, this reflects the increase in revenues and to a lesser extent, lower direct operating expenses partially offset by an increase in…

Ari Danes

Analyst · JP Morgan

Thank you Donna. Christie can we open up the call for questions?

Operator

Operator

Sure. [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from Brandon Ross of BTIG.

Brandon Ross

Analyst · BTIG

Hi good Morning guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a few months back we wrote a piece about a couple of different strategic possibilities for MSG. And there’s been some speculation in the market recently, I think, about each of them. So want to just directly ask about each thing. First of all, would you consider a sale or a minority investment in either the Knicks, or the Rangers, or both. And then secondly, and perhaps related, would you consider or are you considering a spinoff of the sports business or the teams for the entertainment business? And I have follow-up. Doc O’Connor: Okay. We continually review and evaluate all of our potential strategic options. Historically, that has led to spin offs, it’s led to acquisitions, it’s led to share repurchase programs. All of that said we have no current plans to spin off or sell the Knicks or the Rangers, or minority interests in either one of the entities. And we view them as important parts of our overall business. We’re not going to comment on any hypothetical transactions or scenarios on this call. We’ve consistently demonstrated over the years that we’re focused on creating long-term shareholder value and we’re going to continue to do so.

Brandon Ross

Analyst · BTIG

Great. And then just a follow-up. I think sponsorship was down in the quarter. Can you talk about why it was down and what the outlook is for the rest of the year? Doc O’Connor: I’m going to let Donna answer that one.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · BTIG

Sure. Well, in terms of the first quarter, first of all, as you know, I note that it’s the smallest quarter of the year. The Knicks and Rangers season have not really started. We were impacted this quarter by the timing of our contract renewal. And as Doc mentioned we are pleased to report that we have now renewed five of five of our signature partners and were excited about sided about the addition of our new signature marketing partner Squarespace. So I think we can – we are comfortable thing we expect another very solid year for our sponsorship in signage business.

Brandon Ross

Analyst · BTIG

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Michael Morris with Guggenheim.

Michael Morris

Analyst · Guggenheim

Thank you. Good morning guys. A couple of questions. First, Doc you mentioned more information would be to come on your venue expansion strategy, but I’m hoping you could update us specifically on the plans in Las Vegas. Maybe how are you thinking about size, format what that market needs in terms of a venue and what the competitive opportunity is there? And then secondly, somewhat more broadly in light of a number of the tragic events that have happened over the past year, public events and the human element, which is important but putting aside just the business impact. How are you thinking about that? What type of impact do you see or would you anticipate on demand? And does it impact the cost side for things like increases in security or other factors, we’re not thinking of? Doc O’Connor: Okay, I’ll start with Vegas. As I said in our prepared remarks we’re close to completing our design plans for Las Vegas, I don’t have specifics on that and I expect to share more specifics with everyone in early calendar 2018. The first quarter of calendar year. If I can say that it will be a full scale venue. And with a lot of technology infusion that we will unveil at that time. We think that there’s a real opportunity in Las Vegas with a state-of-the-art, large scale, purpose-built venue for music and entertainment. And we think we can take what we did with the forum to a hold different level. Speaking of the Los Angeles market when we came in, we said this before, we saw potential for growth and invested in the forum, renovated and reopened. And since that time the LA market has grown 70% overall, with the forum accounting for most of that growth. Similarly,…

Michael Morris

Analyst · Guggenheim

Great, thank you for the answers.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from John Janedis with Jefferies.

John Janedis

Analyst · Jefferies

Thank you. A couple from me. One is talk about you’ve been prudent in avoiding the luxury tax over the last several years. How do you balance your commitment to achieve performance with cost management? Doc O’Connor: We’ve won a luxury tax payor in the last two seasons and we don’t project to be a luxury taxpayer this season, based on our current roster. But we’re not going to speculate on whether we will or we won’t be a tax payer going forward. We evaluated based on the idea that we’re committed to fielding championship caliber teams and building such. So we take all of those factors into account in figuring out the best long-term interest of the teams and the company.

John Janedis

Analyst · Jefferies

Okay. And maybe separately, you touched on this, but with the Knicks jersey sponsorship deal with Squarespace last month, do you have any other large sponsorship opportunities? And is there any color you can give us on the expanded agreement with Delta? Doc O’Connor: Well I’ll take the Delta part. first. For Delta, specifically, first of all, we’re really pleased that we renewed it; it’s a 10-year deal. And it’s an expanded deal. They remain the official airline and private jet carrier for our New York venues and our sports teams. The Christmas Spectacular and the Boston calling music festival, they’ll continue to be the entitlement partner for the Delta Sky360 Club at MSG. And they receive permanent exposure across our sports assets and our outdoor signage at the Garden. One of the new elements or newer elements is that we’ll work together with Delta on a first class digital content platform, with pieces that are customized around the Knicks, and the Rangers in the Christmas Spectacular to amplify some of their key activations and extend the partnership reach beyond just simply our events. So we’re again really pleased with the Delta partnership. I think that when we – as your partnerships were established the conventional wisdom was that it was the transformation that was driving the value of these partnerships. I think we’ve proven over the long term, our – the value of our partners – partnerships to our partners. And we believe that we will only continue to extend on them. And the fact that we’ve gone five for five with our signature partner is a proof that it wasn’t the transformational alone driving this that we have long-term value with those partnerships. I believe I’ve answered your question.

John Janedis

Analyst · Jefferies

Yes, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from David Karnovsky with JP Morgan.

David Karnovsky

Analyst · JP Morgan

Hi, thank you. For the Christmas Spectacular, are you approaching this year’s run from a picketing your pricing strategy relative to last season? And given the new investment into the show, should we expect any change to the overall profitability? And then separately the New York Times had an article recently quoting sources that claim that New York Spectacular was no longer in the works for 2018. Can you give us an update on where you stand with that show? Thanks. Doc O’Connor: Yes. Starting with the Christmas Spectacular, so we constantly are revising and monitoring our ticket strategy based on current market data that we received. It’s early in the process, the show doesn’t premier for another two weeks. So it’s early yet in terms of ticket sales. But we’ve made significant investment in improving the customer journey through the sales process. And we’ve augment our ability to capture consumer data, as well, which results in us being able to deliver continuously improved performance with respect to ticket sales. So we’re very pleased with what has happened so far. But it’s still too early to say exactly what we can expect for this year’s Christmas Spectacular. On the New York Spectacular, as I said previously in earnings calls, we are revising this show. We are not going to continue with the New York Spectacular per se. We think that we have unique assets in the Rockettes, and Radio City Music Hall and unique experiences with both that we want to leverage in a more advantageous fashion. So we’re exploring the creation of a streamlined show that leverages the technology that we referenced in our prepared remarks. And that creates a more immersed experience of experiencing that show. What we plan to do with the second show is to create one that’s more nimble, that we can actually play over a longer period of time, but that can come in and out of the hall easily. And not take up big consecutive blocks of dates. This would allow us to market the Rockettes and Radio City Music Hall in a year around fashion and it would allow us to opportunistically book the hall with premium entertainment and residencies, as we did with Dave Chappelle in that 16 show run. So we are intending to create a show that will allow people to experience both Radio City Music Hall and the incredible talent of the Rockettes. And our intention to do so we’re in the planning phases of this, we have nothing specific to report as to the concept of the show, or the size and scale of the show, or the schedule of the show at this moment in time, but we will when we’re prepared to do so.

Ari Danes

Analyst · JP Morgan

Thanks for the questions David. Christy will take the next caller.

Operator

Operator

Your your next question comes from Bryan Goldberg with Bank of America.

Bryan Goldberg

Analyst · Bank of America

Thanks. I had a question on your JVs, namely as often Tribeca. And I’m asking in the context of if I’m reading your P&L correctly your share of the net income that you recognize on the P&L looks like it was up nicely year-over-year in the quarter. And I guess wondering what’s driving that, is this a onetime event or is this type of growth sustainable? Any color you could provide would be appreciated. Thanks. Doc O’Connor: Well I’ll take that general part of that question and then turned the financial part over to Donna. We’re particularly pleased with Oak View Group and Tim Leiweke’s Enterprise in terms of the success – the early success that they’ve had and the momentum they have with several of their initiatives. And Tim and Irving with respect to leadership of that entity are forces to be reckoned with and are building a great business. Likewise with the Global Music Rights business, success has been excellent there. So we’re very, very happy with the performance of the various Azoff assets under that umbrella. With respect to the financials I’ll turn it over to Donna.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · Bank of America

Hi. Yes, first of all, I’m pleased to say you are reading our P&L correctly. And we were happy to see a net improvement in earnings reported from our Azoff MSG Entertainment and Tribeca Enterprises businesses. There is a very small piece that’s not becoming. So I think this reflects as Doc discussed the deal [ph] how the business is doing.

Bryan Goldberg

Analyst · Bank of America

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from David Miller with Loop Capital Market.

David Miller

Analyst · Loop Capital Market

Yes hey guys congratulations on stellar results. Doc on TAO, I just want to make sure I have it straight, how many U.S. locations have you opened since the closure of the deal which was February? And how many do you have set to open next year? I just want to have that straight. Then also related to TAO, it feels like you guys are taking advantage of synergies here myriad of cross-promotional opportunities, ticketing, sponsorship, advertising to a captive audience. Do you feel like there’s any more wood to chop in terms of creating additional synergies beyond that? Appreciated it? Thanks. Doc O’Connor: On the first part of your question I believe the answer is six, five in Los Angeles in the MOXY Times Square venues. And in terms of the performance of those venues, the TAO Group is very, very pleased with those results. That was a rollout of new venues in Los Angeles, but now five are fully operational and up and running and doing quite well. And MOXY has had an excellent opening as well. And I think they’ve succeeded in creating significant buzz with all of those openings. I’m sorry the second part of your question was – what it was?

David Miller

Analyst · Loop Capital Market

Well yes, I just want to make sure that like you guys feel like there’s more wood to chop in terms of creating synergies out of TAO, or do you feel like you’ve completely integrated into your model as of now? And your – it’s all – it’s rich running on all eight cylinders. Doc O’Connor: Oh no, we’re just at the very beginning in terms of integration and we’re very, very pleased with the initial results. We’ve talked about what we’re now calling hospitality partnerships, we have one model now. And the size, and scale and term of these deals is akin to our signature marketing partnerships with the company. So that’s significant revenue, and significant synergies and we think it provides a model that can be expanded on with other Fortune 500 companies, that spend enormous amounts of money in entertainment and hospitality. So that’s one example. Suite Sixteen is another hospitality innovation that has resulted from this new partnership. It is a members-only lounge at Madison Square Garden that provide really innovative hospitality options and amenities that haven’t existed before in a major sports and entertainment venue. And we think that as we said from the very beginning with TAO, that these guys have an expertise in the premium experience unlike any others. And we intend to bring that expertise not only to our existing venue list as you’re seeing, but with integration into our venue expansion which again we will be happy to elaborate upon in calendar 2018, early calendar 2018.

David Miller

Analyst · Loop Capital Market

Okay, wonderful, thank you.

Ari Danes

Analyst · Loop Capital Market

Thanks David. Christy we have time for one last caller.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your final question is from David Joyce with Evercore-ISI.

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore-ISI

Thank you. And thinking about your incremental rights monetization opportunities and in light of some of the big Internet platforms trying to insert themselves into some of the other professional sports rights or sports leagues, are there opportunities for you on this front across your properties? And then maybe more broadly where should we think about other ways that you could be monetizing your rights? Doc O’Connor: Are you specifically referring to our sports rights?

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore-ISI

That’s primarily what I would be considering, yes. Doc O’Connor: Well, we have long-term local media rights agreements in place with the networks, with the Knicks and Rangers. And the revenues from those agreements are in excess of $135 million dollars a year and growing over the term. But the local digital rights for both teams are part of these agreements. So there’s no additional local media rights revenue opportunities for us to monetize. But with the acquisition of CLG and the growing esports category, the opportunities for monetizing those right digitally are there and apparent. And with our expertise in media rights, particularly in the sports space that we’ve had over decades at this company, we plan to aggressively pursue those opportunities with CLG and the esports category.

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore-ISI

Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. With that I’ll turn the call back over to Ari Danes for any additional or closing remarks.

Ari Danes

Analyst · JP Morgan

Thank you all for joining us and have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today’s conference call, you may now disconnect.

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