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Madison Square Garden Sports Corp. (MSGS)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Fri, May 6, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Christy, and I’ll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to The Madison Square Garden Company Fiscal 2016 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Ari Danes, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for The Madison Square Garden Company. Please go ahead, sir.

Ari Danes

Analyst · Stifel

Thanks you, Christy. Good morning and welcome to The Madison Square Garden Company's fiscal 2016 third quarter earnings conference call. Our President and CEO, Doc O'Connor, will begin this morning's call with a discussion of some of the Company's recent highlights. This will be followed by a review of our financial results with, Donna Coleman, our EVP and Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. If you do not have a copy of today's earnings release, it is available in the Investors section of our corporate Web site. Please take a note of the following. Today's discussion may contain statements that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties, and that actual results, developments, and events may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. These include financial community perceptions of the Company and its business, operations, financial condition, and the industry in which it operates, as well as the factors described in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the sections entitled Risk Factors and Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations contained therein. The Company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call. Let me point out that on Page 4 of today's earnings release, we provide consolidated and combined statements of operations and a reconciliation of adjusted operating cash flow or AOCF to operating income. I would now like to introduce Doc O'Connor, President and CEO of The Madison Square Garden Company.

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thank you, Ari and good morning everyone. For the fiscal third quarter we generated strong top-line growth and excluding the impact of a non-cash write-off and increase in total company AOCF both as compared to prior year third quarter. These solid underlying results reflect our continued success in delivering exceptional live experiences for our fans and partners. As we have previously discussed we see ample opportunities to continue growing our business both organically and through acquisitions and development. We have been making progress on our venue expansion strategy and we've engaged in a number of discussions one of which may come to fruition in the very near future. Another important area of focus for our Company is growing our portfolio of owned and operated content and a terrific example of this is our upcoming show the New York Spectacular starring The Radio City Rockettes. We are now in the midst of preparing for the show’s June 15th debut. And as you may know we shifted the timing of the show’s run from spring to summer to take advantage of the approximately 30% increase in tourism in New York City during the summer months. We are also using what we've learned from last year’s spring spectacular to build on and enhance this year's show. In addition to reimaging the story line we look forward to giving our customers more of what they want to see. This show is a love letter to New York. It's landscapes, its landscape, its landmarks and its icons including the, The Radio City Rockettes, the stars of the show. As part of this effort we've brought on board a new creative team that includes three times Emmy Award-Winner Mia Michaels as Director and Choreographer and Drama Desk Award-Winner Douglas Carter Beane as the show’s Writer. As…

Donna Coleman

Analyst · BTIG

Thank you Doc and good morning everyone. As you know The Madison Square Garden Company completed its spin-off from MSG Networks on September 30, 2015. Results for the fiscal 2016, third quarter reflect MSG's financial results on a standalone basis, including the Company's post spin cost structure and actual corporate general and administrative costs. Fiscal 2015 third quarter results reflect the allocation of corporate general and administrative costs based on accounting requirements for the preparation of carve out financial statements. As a result, prior year's third quarter results do not reflect all of the actual expenses that the Company would have incurred had it been a standalone public company for that quarter. With that said now let's go to our reported results as compared to the prior year period. For the fiscal 2016 third quarter, the Company generated total revenue of $336.3 million, an increase of 12% and an AOCF loss of $23.8 million, excluding the impact of a $41.8 million noncash write-off which I’ll discuss in greater detail shortly. AOCF would have been positive 18.1 million, an increase of 8% as compared to the prior year quarter. At MSG Entertainment, revenues of 73.2 million increase 19%, this increase was driven by higher event related revenues at all of our company venues led by the Garden and Radio City Music Hall, as well as higher Christmas spectacular revenue and sponsorship signage and suite rental fee revenues. As a reminder, 12 Radio City Christmas spectacular performances played during the fiscal 2016 third quarter versus none during the prior year third quarter. Partially offsetting the overall increase in revenue was the impact from our decision to shift the timing of the New York spectacular from the spring to the summer. Last year they show debut on March 12th with 18 shows taking…

Ari Danes

Analyst · Stifel

Thanks Donna. Christy, can we open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Sure. [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from Ryan Fiftal of Morgan Stanley.

Ryan Fiftal

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I wanted to ask on the write-down, last fall you laid out your growth strategy, and one of the four pillars was to expand owned IP and expand into new content. The new Rockettes show has obviously been the flagship example of, that clearly facing challenges there culminating in this write-down today. So I guess given the challenges you have seen there over the last couple of years, does that give you any pause on the broader strategy? Does it influence your thoughts on risk tolerance for investing in new IP or any other learnings you have from that?

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Well, I think we have a great deal of learnings from this process. But I don’t believe that it changes our belief that our content strategy involves a great long-term asset play. Any creative endeavor of any kind, any content play of any kind has inherent risks. Just ask any of our colleagues who make movies, or television shows or Broadway show. But when you create something that works, something that excites, entertains, or transports an audience, you create incredible value. Look at the value of the 83 rolled Christmas Spectacular franchise and the Rockettes brands to our Company. So is there some risk in trying to create a second Rockettes franchise? Absolutely, but we don't take that risk lightly in any way whatsoever. Does it take time and experimentation to develop a sustaining show and a perennial event? Definitely, is it worth the risk? Undeniably, absolutely, we feel we've given this show its best opportunity for success. We've put together a fantastic creative team starting with our new executive vice president of productions Colin Ingram, three-time Emmy Award winning director/choreographer Mia Michaels, drama desk winning writer Doug Carter Beane. I had the pleasure a week ago of witnessing a rehearsal and we're very excited about what we have. So from a creativity and a quality perspective we think we have a winner with this new show. We've moved the show to summer to try to capitalize on the huge increase in tourism in the city, a 30% increase is substantial. Understanding that Radio City Music Hall and the experience of that incredible and one of a kind theater are the types of experiences that people traveling to the city want to access. We think the market is there as well as evidenced by the success of last year's spring show. 300,000 tickets sold. And we've improved our marketing internally with great talent to ensure that we reach that marketplace. So we feel we have a real opportunity here with this new show to build a very valuable long running and sustaining franchise, a better date, better product and a better team to execute. And you know as we've said recently this is part of a larger strategy to grow our content business and if you look at the M&A landscape even in the last few days it continues to highlight the long-term value of original content and the live experience.

Ryan Fiftal

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And then just one clarification on -- you mentioned there was an opportunity potentially in the near-term. I am sorry if I missed it. Did you indicate if that was a venue acquisition or any other type of opportunity? Any color there would be helpful. Thank you.

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I was referring specifically to our venue expansion strategy.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Brandon Ross of BTIG.

Brandon Ross

Analyst · BTIG

First a follow-up on the $42 million write-off for Donna, can you tell us how much cash spend you are going to have to outlay to rebuild the elements that you are writing down of the show, and how much cash you have spent in total on the development of the spectacular spring, now summer I guess? And then secondly, I think the RFPs for the Penn station renovation where due a few weeks ago. Have you learned anything since that time, any clarity on your ability to sell the theater at MSG or potentially unlock some value from your air rights? Thanks.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · BTIG

Would you like me to take the first question?

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · BTIG

Take the first one, yes.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · BTIG

Okay. So I'm not sure this is in the order that you gave them but we in total over the years we've spent approximately $77 million building up to the New York Spring Spectacular show, of that amount about 7 million has been amortized and at December 31st we had $70 million of deferred production costs that remained on our books. We've taken the best of what was created during that process and we've made some enhancements. We've re-imagined the story line as Doc mentioned we've expanded the roles the Rockettes will play. There's obviously some additional investment required for those enhancements but we believe it’s being done in a very efficient and effective way to add the most value.

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · BTIG

On the second part of the question the RFP. The RFP deadline was April 22nd and we are still awaiting information and updates from the Governor's Office on those proposals. So we have no specifics at this time. As the Governor said from the outset of this there're a number of different possibilities on Penn Station renovation. Some of them include us and some of them do not, so like everybody else we're waiting to hear the results of those proposals, and you know associated with that with respect to our air rights again we don't have any new information on how this plan might help us monetize, give us an opportunity to monetize our air rights.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Alexia Quadrani of JPMorgan.

Alexia Quadrani

Analyst · JPMorgan

More broadly on your venue strategy sort of referring back to earlier comments of closing in on something, I guess what do you feel are the primary benefits of having scale in the space, or is it more about cost synergies and the ability to scale corporate costs and negotiate lower vendor fees, et cetera? Or is it the opportunity more on the revenue side, being able to drive higher sponsorship dollars and bringing in more acts?

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · JPMorgan

We think all of the above. As I said before in previous calls we think that scale in the venue business matters. As you have mentioned it does give us the ability to leverage our fixed cost across increased revenue and number of venues, it also allows us to leverage our capabilities across different venues. But it also gives us the ability to leverage -- it gives us greater leverage to attract more high-end premium talent and shows when you increase the number of venues and you increase the number of shows that happened under those roots you increase the number of people that you've touched and therefore the number of eyeballs that we capture all of which translates into more potential sponsorship revenue for us. It gives us a greater ability to grow our content business and to control our own destiny better new buildings if done right and we have a history of doing them right create great long-term asset value. The forum is a perfect example of that. So, yes we believe that greater scale in the venue business is a great strategy for us to pursue and we will continue to pursue our venue expansion strategy.

Alexia Quadrani

Analyst · JPMorgan

And would you consider a venue which specialized in conventions or trade shows or non-entertainment or do you think you will stay with your core expertise in entertainment sports events area?

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · JPMorgan

We will stay with our core expertise sports and entertainment but our new venues will likely focus on and be directed towards entertainment only venues the exhibition business is not in our current plans.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from David Miller of Topeka Capital Markets.

David Miller

Analyst · Topeka Capital Markets

Donna, just a question on the buyback, I appreciate the clarity on the 78 million so far. I am just wondering, my understanding was, when you got the separation from the mother Company and you had the 1.47 billion that was transferred over, that 525 million would be used to buy back stock. And I'm just wondering why the pace hasn't increased since -- I mean there is a just a massive disconnect between the intrinsic value of the Company and the market price of the stock. So I am wondering why you have not been more aggressive so far this year, and should we -- can we give any kind of timeline -- can you give any kind of timeline on when you would complete the 525 million? Thank you very much.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · Topeka Capital Markets

So you are correct when we did the spin we earmarked $525 million for the repurchase of shares and we do remain committed to that program. We are being thoughtful and diligent about the way we are purchasing shares I think that's evidenced by our average share repurchase price which is about $151 a share. We are very pleased with the way we've executed on our repurchase program there is a lot of confidence in the value of our assets and the growth of the company and we plan to continue our strategy which is to be opportunistic about the way we do our repurchases and diligent in our execution.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Michael Morris with Guggenheim Securities.

Michael Morris

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities

A couple of questions on advertising and sponsorships, first, advertisers are clearly dealing with a more fragmented marketplace in television and online. In venue sponsorships seems to be immune or offer some stability there. Do you expect the revenue on that side of the business or demand for that to grow at a faster rate than overall industry advertising growth, and how do you capture that? Can you share any plans for what you can do incrementally from here that we would ultimately see come through the financials? And then second, there has been a recent announcement by NBA that you will be able to sell jersey sponsorships. Can you talk about your thoughts on what that means for the business and maybe what type of partner you would be looking for? Thanks.

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities

Okay. Well on the first part we have a terrific portfolio of globally recognized marquee and signature partners. I can't comment on the pace of growth relative to the ad market but I can say that we think that there is a lot of opportunity to expand our partnerships first off as they come up for renewals and we’re very optimistic about our prospects here. Most of our signature partners and marquee partners came to aboard as part of the Garden transformation and we think and they will say they've seen real value in partnering with us and for this reason we are optimistic that the significant sponsorship revenue stream we have created as part of the transformation is not only sustainable but we can grow it going forward. And we are confident about that based on our conversations with those same partners and we are very confident that we will see growth there. And we hope to share more on that with you shortly. There are other ways of growing our sponsorship portfolio, there still remain unsold categories for us to pursue. We can create and increase our premium inventory and we are looking with our existing partners and with new partners on how to increase our premium inventory in that way. And also as I alluded to earlier with venue expansion new opportunities are created with every new venue that comes online. On the Jersey sponsorship opportunity, the league only recently approved the sale of Jersey sponsorships and I’ll remind you that that sponsorship starts with the 2017-'18 basketball season. So it's early days yet, we are still evaluating the size and scale of the opportunity and what potential partners might be a fit for that, if and when we pursue.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from John Janedis of Jefferies.

Mike Russo

Analyst · Jefferies

Hi, this is actually Mike Russo on for John. Doc, with no new -- with no festivals announced for the summer of calendar 2016, how should we think about your interest in pursuing any new opportunity going forward and additionally are you supporting anything outside of New York? Thank you.

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · Jefferies

We are evaluating the festival business and our potential place in it. I’ll remind you that we are in the festival business because of our partnership with Tribeca Enterprises and the Tribeca Film Festival. And they just recently completed a successful run of that festival and we are looking for ways to expand their portfolio of events, as well as selectively and cautiously growing a festival business. But we are not only looking at the festival business as solely as large scale destination music events. We are looking at those to be sure but we are looking at different types of festivals, we are looking at different sizes of festivals. And we are indeed to your last question looking at new markets. We are evaluating various ways of entering more robustly this business and we haven't found the right fit to this moment but we are constantly looking at new opportunities.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from David Joyce of Evercore ISI.

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore ISI

A few questions, a couple of housekeeping, could you please break out the amount of team personnel compensation expenses? And secondly on CapEx seemed bit elevated there. I was wondering what you are investing in there. Is anything from the New York spectacular recognized in CapEx? And then I have a couple of others.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Sure, so we have -- this quarter we had team personnel transactions of approximately $6.6 million and in terms of CapEx the -- yes -- no there is not real spending associates with the New York spectacular in our CapEx. I guess when you are talking about CapEx, are you talking about our year-to-date or our quarter?

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Just trying to back into the quarter.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Okay. All right, well we did have CapEx in the quarter it really wasn’t elevated, I mean I think year-to-date we were a little bit higher than last year, earlier in the year, but this quarter we did have some expenditures related to some facilities improvements etcetera. But it wasn’t anything significant.

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Good.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · Evercore ISI

We had about $4 million, I think in the quarter.

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore ISI

And then could you remind us how the economics work for the Rangers play-offs? What revenue do you share from the home games with the league and with the other team and vice versa for away games? And is the contribution still around 50% or so?

Donna Coleman

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Well I think it is, a good rule of thumb is that the first round games are just over $1 million in contribution to us. Then the third game amounts for each home game gets significantly higher as you move into the later rounds. So last year the Rangers had 11 homes games in the fourth quarter and this year we only have two. Hopefully that gives you some sense of scale.

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Okay. Thanks. Finally, if you could discuss the Bowery Presents, which is or perhaps being acquired by AEG, is that something that would be of interest to your business model, or do you have to stay away from artist management in case there are any non-competes? Thanks.

Donna Coleman

Analyst · Evercore ISI

We are looking at opportunities in the marketplace constantly. We are seeing numerous opportunities and great potential deal flow. But we look at these opportunities through the lens of strategic value and long-term asset value. On the Bowery specifically, we are aware of the Bowery opportunity we didn’t feel that it met our criteria and the Bowery like other opportunities that and a number of the opportunities that we have seen. We concluded that it didn’t fit our strategy or threshold for long-term asset value. So, we didn’t pursue on those basis.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Ben Mogil with Stifel.

Ben Mogil

Analyst · Stifel

So mine are more about the broadcasting side, and I realized that obviously the RSN is on the others out of the house, and that it is not your business. But when you're a team owner and you see these protracted disputes that you have seen in New York around Comcast and obviously LA in year three now. As an owner, obviously this is not what you want. Can you talk about what you think is going on in the marketplace as owners not just you but the league in general, what they can kind of do to smooth over these issues?

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · Stifel

We really have no comments on those negotiations and potential conflicts, not in our control and not something that we’re going to comment on this call.

Ben Mogil

Analyst · Stifel

And then maybe on sort of the larger -- when you look at the deals that the NFL has done, they have obviously been the most proactive in terms of slicing up broadcast deals in many, many different ways. When you look as an owner, obviously for the NBA and the NHL, do you see a lot of not untapped opportunity, but do you see a lot of opportunity where going forward there are incremental rights and incremental packages that can be sold, maybe talk very-very broadly about what kind of options are out there if you will in terms of greenfield opportunities?

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · Stifel

I am not sure I fully understand your question. But we have long-term media deals with our media partners and we’re very happy with the deals that exist.

Ben Mogil

Analyst · Stifel

Yes, so I actually referred [Technical Difficulty].

Ari Danes

Analyst · Stifel

All right Christy. We have time for one last caller.

Operator

Operator

And your final question is coming from Amy Yong with Macquarie.

Rachel Arrowood

Analyst · Macquarie

This is Rachel Arrowood on for Amy. As you look for growth opportunities going forward, is ticketing an area you would be interested in, and aside from that what characteristics would you look for in any potential opportunities?

Doc O'Connor

Analyst · Macquarie

We have an agreement with Ticketmaster and it's a partnership that we’re quite happy with. Currently we are not evaluating any new business opportunities in the area of ticketing and don’t imagine that we will be acting on any potential opportunities in the near future.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And with that I will turn the floor back over to Ari Danes for any closing remarks.

Ari Danes

Analyst · Stifel

Thank you for joining us. We look forward to speaking with you on our year-end conference call. Have a good day.