Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the MSA Second Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for questions following the presentation. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to introduce today’s host Paul Uhler, Vice President Global HR and Corporate Communications. Welcome, Paul. Please begin.

Thank you, Annette, and good morning, everyone. I too would like to welcome you to our second quarter earnings conference call for 2017. Participating on our call today are Bill Lambert, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Ken Krause, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer, and Nish Vartanian, President and Chief Operating Officer. Our second quarter press release was issued last night and is available on the MSA website at www.msasafety.com. Before we begin, I need to remind everybody that the matters discussed on this call, excluding historical information are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to our projections and anticipated levels of future performance. Forward-looking statements involve risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those discussed here. These risks, uncertainties and other factors are detailed on our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our most recent Form 10-Q, which was filed on April 28 of this year. You are strongly urged to review all such filings for a more detailed discussion of such risks. Our SEC filings can be obtained at no charge at www.sec.gov or on our own website in the Investor Relations area. MSA undertakes no duty to publicly update any forward-looking statements made on this call, except as required by law. In addition, I need to note that as part of our discussion this morning we’ve included certain non-GAAP financial measures. These measures should not be considered replacements for GAAP results. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are likely – likewise available in the Investor Relations section of the MSA website. That concludes our forward-looking statements. So with that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to our Chairman, and CEO, Bill Lambert.

Thank you very much Paul. And good morning, everyone. As always, I want to begin by saying thank you for joining us this morning and for your continued interest in MSA. As you saw in our press release issued last evening, we recorded a $30 million pretax charge related to product liability settlements recently reached, as well as estimated indemnity for all remaining assorted cumulative trauma claims. This charge did not have a cash impact in the quarter. These asserted claims relate to products we sold many, many years ago and were not previously recorded in our reserve, Ken Krause will address this in more detail in his comments. I'll spend my time discussing the performance of the business. As you saw in our press release that was issued last night, we realize 10% adjusted earnings growth, despite a 2% revenue decline. When looking at our revenue results for the quarter, we saw two distinct trends playing out between the industrial areas of our business and the fire service. Across the industrial core products we saw a growth of 7% in the quarter, a double-digit increases in certain short cycle products, like head protection and fall protection. The order book and these areas continue to show strength through July. In the fire service, a challenging prior year comparison combined with softer market conditions drove a 12 % decline in SCBA sales in the quarter, reducing our overall sales by about 4 %. I will discuss all of our core product areas in more detail in just a moment here. But first, I'd like to call your attention to a few additional highlights for the quarter. First, we launched our new state of the art fixed gas and flame detection platforms. The Ultima X5000 and S5000 gas monitors for the energy…

Thanks, Bill. And good morning. everyone. As Bill mentioned earlier, I'd like to take a few minutes to discuss our recent acquisition of Globe Manufacturing and the strategic rationale for what we see as a very exciting deal for MSA in Globe. While we've established a market leadership position in SCBA through R&D investments, we see in Globe a great opportunity to penetrate another large segment of the firefighter personal protective equipment market. Globe is a New Hampshire based family owned manufacturer, a firefighter protective clothing, which is more commonly known in the industry as turnout gear. In 2016, Globe had revenues of about $110 million, supported by 420 employees across four US locations, over 90% of Globe sales are domestic and the balance is in Canada. Similar to MSA, Globe has been protecting the health and safety of firefighters for a very long time, 130 years to be exact. Over that time, Globe has been an industry leading innovator, introducing many of the materials, designs and construction methods that are now commonplace in turn out gear today One of the Globe's latest innovations is an athletic inspired line of turnout gear called Athletics, which features lightweight, breathable fabrics that allow for maximum range of motion. Including athletics, Globe carries approximately 10 different styles of turnout gear each offering different features, performance materials, styles, customizable options and price points. Given their broad range of turnout's solutions, Globe appeals to both Metropolitan and rural fire departments and allows them to find the best fit for firefighters of all shapes and sizes. To give you a better idea of the market opportunity, industry research indicates that the North American market for firefighter PPE is approximately $750 million to $800 million in total size, market includes turn out gear, SCBA, fire helmets, fire…

Thanks, Nish. And good morning, everyone. I’d like to take some time to walk through our financial results and to provide more insight into the drivers of performance. Additional information will be available when we file our Form 10-Q with the SEC. Let’s start with a few highlights. The industrial sector continues to gain traction. Industrial end market related core product revenue was up 7% in the quarter and we continue to see good momentum in fall protection and head protection products, both up over 15%, while fixed gas and flame detection is starting to show growth as well, up 11% in the quarter. Gross profit was up 40 basis points year-on-year and while we saw a favourable product mix in the quarter, we were also able to expand product margins across many of our core areas in the quarter. SG&A expense was down $2 million on a reported basis for the quarter and $5 million for the year-to-date period. On a constant currency organic basis, excluding cost related to acquisitions, SG&A is down $3 million in the quarter and $7 million for the year-to-date period. We’re tracking well against out full year cost savings target of $10 million. Free cash flow continues to be healthy and conversion was over 100% of net income in the quarter and over the past 12 months. Even excluding the success we had in collecting our insurance receivables over the past year, the stronger cash flow and profitability that we have seen over the last year provided us with the opportunity to increase our dividend by 6% in May. While at the same time, servicing debt going from 2.5 debt to EBITDA following the Latchways acquisition to 1.2 times at the end of the quarter. We are well positioned to use our excess capacity…

Sorry about that, Ken I had my phone on mute. I apologize. But thank you, Ken. Despite the challenges on the revenue line related to SCBA, I am encouraged by the continued strength that we are seeing in industrial products and the fact that we were able to generate double-digit earnings growth and strong cash flow in the quarter. Looking forward, macro indicators are generally encouraging across many of our end markets. The US manufacturing ISM Index hit its highest point in three years in June, allowing manufacturers to add jobs. As many of you know, the key benefit of increased employment levels in industrial end markets is reflected in our order pace and the head protection, portable gas detection and fall protection. Utilities continue to invest in grid modernization and we are making inroads in supplying Latchways fall protection systems to these customers. On the energy side, while we've seen a slight pullback in oil prices in the past couple of months, oil continues to trade in the same relatively tight band that it has been in for more than a year now. Other indicators such as rig count continue to point toward improvement in the industry, albeit slower than it was. With the current rig count trending about 45% higher than this time a year ago and 15% higher than at the end of 2016. The strength we are seeing in industrial products provides optimism in these areas for the second half, but we continue to stay balanced in our outlook due to softer conditions in the SCBA market and in certain international regions. We look forward to integrating the Globe acquisition and continuing to make investments that drive profitable growth for our shareholders. I want to thank you for your attention this morning and at this time, we'll be happy to take any questions that you may have. Please remember that MSA does not give guidance and that precludes most discussion related to our expectations for future sales and earnings. Having said that, we will now open the call up for your questions.

Our first question is from Edward Marshall of Sidoti & Company.

Hey, guys. Bill, I just wanted to follow up on the last question, you said certain international regions you're cautious about. Can you give me a list of what those regions are?

Sure, Ed. It's primarily in the European segment where we're not seeing some of the growth that we had anticipated to see over there. Much of that is related to lower SCBA demand in the European region. The Middle East is a little bit choppy right now, but we're seeing some very nice performance out of Southeast Asia and very strong performance out of China. So those aren't the regions that I'm too concerned about. And South America continues to perform quite well against expectations in our plan.

Got it. And…

Ed, I'm sorry, Ed, you cut off.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question Stanley Elliott from Stifel Nicolaus.

Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking the question. You guys mentioned some uptick in some orders in June. You know, I heard head protection that I heard, fall protection, that's probably what like 15%, 20% of a business. What other markets are you guys seeing. You know little order momentum, particularly and the exit into July?

Well, I think as Ken…

Oh, sorry…

Yes. Stanley, this is Bill. Yeah, I think as Ken indicated in the call, I mean, we saw a good order growth in head protection and fall protection. We saw sales in the second quarter up 15% in both of those areas. FGFD continues to run strong, we saw sales up 11% in the quarter there. And in t the portable gas detection instruments area, we continue to see good performance and good incoming order flow. The challenge there from our sales reporting basis is just against the comparables from year ago, where the comps were very strong in the second quarter, where we had large orders, both internationally and domestically for portable gas production. SCBA is the one area that that we just saw some choppy performance that was unanticipated, but we don't think it's going to last and we don't have a diminished outlook for what we see in the way of the replacement cycle. And the sure, Ken, do you want to add to that?

Yeah Bill, you know, the only thing I would add is on the FGFD side, it has been a bit of a nice surprise for us. You know, it's trending slightly ahead of our internal plans and to see a 11% sales growth in that business globally was really nice to see. In addition to the slight uptick in growth in the Americas, which we all know has been relatively a press market - energy market for some time. So that's been a - that has certainly been a bright spot for us as we head into the third quarter Stanley.

And on kind of the fixed gas piece, is it too early to start seeing a sales improvement from some of the new products that were just launched or is this just kind of market recovery that we're seeing?

Well, I think it's a little bit too early to attribute these increases in sales to the new products that we've just recently launched. Those products are getting a very nice reception in the marketplace. But this is more of a slower cycle market, in the sense A, it's very capital dependent on projects and B, in this type of area where you're protecting very expensive assets, there's a trial period and an approval process with the NGs customer, not necessarily with the approval agencies, which we do have approvals for the products, but with the customers. So the customers want to try this product out, these new technologies out. And so it's a much slower uptick or uptake, I should say on these new technologies as we bring them to market. But the response so far has been very positive and we're very optimistic of what these new products can do to the FGFD product line.

And lastly Bill, you mentioned kind of choppy unanticipated on the SCBA side. Could you guys give us a little more color on what happened with that and then maybe, what is - what do we need to see to get that market around recovering?

Nish, why don't you discuss the flow of AFG [ph] funds in the US and how those were delayed for a full month out of that second quarter and the impact that that had?

Yeah, Stanley. So we've got a nice pipeline of business. So we obviously have good clear line of sight to which fire departments are doing evaluations and they are coming up on the end of their life cycle and getting in line to replace their SCBA. So we just saw as the AFG funds were released and it was a bit of a slowdown in that you know, fire departments kind of paused in their purchasing process to see if they would get some funds. And then if they would not get funds then they regroup and go back to the city fathers and try to get the funds in that matter. So we saw a bit of a slowdown in the market due to that, a bit of a pullback on some of the purchases. But you know, as Bill mentioned in his comments earlier, we're doing quite well in the marketplace. We - the market share remains very strong at 46%, the conversion rate is about half the business where we continue to win. And the pipeline looks very much the same. We've got a really good level of confidence and what we see with orders coming in, where that trend continues. And so you know, we're confident that that the level, the purchasing level of SCBA will be at this elevated level for the balance of the year and into next couple of years. So we're confident with the market going forward.

Great, guys. Thank you very much.

Next question from Rick Eastman, Robert W. Baird.

Hi, Bill and Nish. Just to last follow up, and Nish you did comment about maybe the purchase level being an elevated level for SCBA kind of the second half. I mean, when you look at last year we had really strong comps in the first half, we have really easy comps now in the second half. So you know, just kind of running out with the AFG funding you know, should we and should you expect to see you know, again growth in SCBA in the second half against the easier comps and now with maybe funding you know released. Is that a reasonable assumption?

Yeah, you know, we had a weak third quarter. And a lot of it was tied to the AFG funding very similar to this year than the fourth quarter was stronger as fire departments released the orders and we shipped in the fourth quarter. You know, a lot of that will be time to - tied to the timing of receiving the order. And then also the percentage of departments who are looking for certain accessories or add-ons, such as logo [ph] cylinders you know, logo cylinders present a little bit of a pipeline issue for us. We're about 10 week delivery on that. So we start to butt up into the end of the year on some of those orders. So it's just a matter of timing of those orders. You know Bill, talked about the choppiness of the business. You know, when a fire department replaces they replace everything and so that business tends to be a little bit clumpy. So you know, we could have a good second half versus a year ago. It's just a matter of the timing of some of these orders, getting them in the door and then getting them shipped backed out.

Thank you. And how's the demand from a order standpoint or maybe just the channel feedback from your distributors there for the G1 with the integrated tech, is that – have you seen an uptick in orders interest, maybe comment on that?

Yeah. So that's actually a little bit better than we anticipated. We're slightly ahead of our internal targets on the Itek with the G1, some departments - a few departments are handful buying those for all of their SCBA, some others are buying one for every four units to have one on every truck and we have some departments looking at upgrade. The reception of that has been good.

Okay. And then just a question around - the focus on the non-core business, but if you if you remove the noise around the ballistic-helmet contract and strengthen that last year. Is the non-core piece of the business, is it just kind of flat lining or is there anything in there to focus on because it you know, obviously it hurts to consolidated revenue number. But I'm just I'm just curious if you just make that adjustment, is non-core kind of flattish, is it running out flattish?

Yeah, it's choppy, but it very much is tied – the success and failure in that core business very much tied to the ballistic-helmet business, which is extremely choppy as you know. And so, if you take that out it's more of a flattish sort of number that you're seeing coming through the non-core business. And something that, I just want to emphasize here, as we go forward and bring Globe on that that non-core business becomes an even smaller part of our business. So that's something that we just need to keep in mind as we move forward.

I see. And then just one question around you know, the settlements going forward. And I think you had referenced, now with this reserve established and then also being self-insured. So the GAAP P&L will move around based on payments and also - so the payment number - payment number would run through what SG&A and then a collection number runs through other income? So was there a…

Yeah, let’s just pause there. It can be complex. So if we have a payment on a reserve that we've already taken, obviously it will come right off the balance sheet. So there will be no P&L implication now for anything that we've already reserved as part of the second quarter accounting. If we have changes to the reserve of course, you know, changes either in our estimate or on the reserve of course, that would flow through the GAAP P&L. The insurance coming in will not go through the P&L, it’s essentially a recovery of the insurance capable that we've already bought. So - but from a pure cash flow perspective, cash coming in and going out it should on an overall basis be relatively closely aligned.

Okay. And you would be able to kind of quote adjust out any claims paid that were not reserved for…

That’s…

I mean, you would show that…

You would see that. If we have a claim that we would pay Rick, that wouldn't be a reserve for, you would see that come through the GAAP earnings number. We would certainly adjust for that as part of our adjusted earnings, just like we have for some time, we've been self-insured for certain product liability claims and we've accounted for those claims in the past as part of an adjustment and we would continue to follow that same practice going forward.

I see. And just one last question for Nish. When you think about Globe here and pulling - and bringing Globe into the overall business, is there an opportunity for their turn out gear you know outside the US, I you know mentioned Canada a little bit or is that you know, again somewhat provincial market. In other words, if you want to do turn out gear in Europe it's probably a different acquisition?

Yeah, we're going to explore some international opportunities. We think that there may be some pockets where for Globe. Globe brand is very strong on a global basis. People recognize it as a high quality product. But the reality is to get into the market in a big way in Europe, you would have to do some local manufacturing or in a different location. So we're going to certainly explore opportunities, but that's not a big part of the thesis behind it.

Yeah. Understood. Okay, great. Thank you, guys.

Your next question from Walter Liptak, Seaport Global.

Hi. Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Good morning, Wal.

So to follow up on Rick’s question about the non-core and just to get a clarification. You say it would be smaller, but is there still going to be a tough comp in the third quarter?

Yeah, in my prepared comments Wal, I had mentioned that. As we finished the year last year, we certainly had - we had some large shipments of ballistic-helmets coming out. So as I indicated on the commentary you know, we do expect the ballistic-helmet business to present some headwinds into the third quarter.

Okay, great. And then just to follow up on the concerns about the headwinds in Europe. I wonder if I could just get a little bit more color on how that you know - how you guys became aware of this weakness. Was it something that showed up in just recently like in June or was there kind of a progressive slowing throughout the quarter? How was July doing, et cetera?

You know, this is Bill. I think that what we've seen in Europe has been a general slowness throughout the year Wal. So it's not something that happened all of a sudden in the month of June as you indicated. This is something that we have just not seen some of the traction there that we had hoped to see and its primarily related to some of the fall protection installer's that we have in North Europe associated with the Lachways acquisition. If we really peel it apart, it has - it's related to the installer performance, is not quite where we thought it would be on Lachways. Now as I indicated, overall fall protection was up 15% in the second quarter. So we were more than able to offset that decline in performance for North Europe. And the other area of performance that we did not see that we had anticipated and seeing was stronger SCBA performance in Europe. Now the comps there are quite difficult versus a year ago because we had some nice large orders, but we did see some slowdown on the SCBA front in Europe, where by the way, we don't sell the G1 SCBA, that SCBA is primarily in Americas product, its not really meant for the European market, other than as a platform product. It has technologies and has a price point that is just not favourable to the European market. The only thing I would add there…

And just kind of a follow on…

I am sorry, Wal. The only thing I would add on the Europe business, just so - just to put it in context, the European business is performing a bit below our expectations, but on a sequential quarter basis it's relatively flat. So it's not necessarily falling off any more rapidly from the first to the second quarter, it's still very much intact. I think we did something like $60 million or $65 million in the first quarter and $60 million or $65 million again in the second quarter with I think the core business was up low single digit on a sequential quarter basis. So it is performing below our expectations. We're a little disappointed with it. But on the flip side, we're not seeing further deterioration from a first or second quarter basis.

Okay. Got it. And as a follow on to Bill's comment about Lachways. You know, the growth that you're seeing in the Americas is great. And you know, I just wonder about you know the South or you’re going direct through distribution channel. And if it is distribution you know, can you parse out channel filled versus you know sell through to customers?

Nish, maybe you can provide commentary on that with regard to the Americas where we've seen such strong growth. In the international and European parts of the business world, we are using the traditional channels of distribution that Lachways had, as well as expanding it into some of our industrial channels. But that has not gained quite the level of traction that we have in America. The Americas has really taken off as we pulled that product line into our indirect channels of distribution. But Nish, why don't you provide a little more context on that.

Yeah. We've had a lot of success through distribution, it's really the distribution sales and the success has been leveraging some of the other products that we have. So you know, we've got a great position with the V-Guard and our Hard Hats line of products and obviously portable gas detection with a broad range of distribution throughout the Americas and we have good access to distribution. And they really grab hold of and have run with the personal fall limiters that we have from Lachways. And the Lachways folks have done a tremendous job in keeping up with the demand to that product. So that's far exceeded our expectations. And then that products also pulled through some other fall protection products. So we're doing quite well with getting a nice hold with distribution throughout the Americas and the growth has been strong. We saw - we had some confidence in the fourth quarter of last year with some of the initiatives we put in place to try to drive that business and it really started coming through here in a strong way in the second quarter and we think we'll continue to do quite well throughout the year. So we're pretty optimistic on fall protection….

Okay. That sounds good. Thank you for that Nish. And then just one last one I guess. Ken, just of the balance sheet, the inventory is a little bit higher than we were expecting. You know, how do you guys think about the inventory level going into the back half?

Yeah you, we did see a bit of an uptick in the inventory and receivables, receivables we had just such a strong June invoicing month. But the inventory, it’s a conscientious effort to build a little bit of inventory to meet improved demand. And so it's something that we are actively trying to do to meet the ongoing demand that we're seeing in portable gas and head protection. So it's more of a concerted effort there. We think it's a very - working capital is still very healthy. I think we finished the end of the quarter at 25% of sales. So we still feel we're positioned well to continue to hit our targets on free cash flow conversion of in excess of 100% conversion.

Okay. In the last conference calls, you guys talked about coming out with like a next level of operational performance program you know, to get the operating margins up even higher. I wonder if there's any progress or are you know when could we expect you know, new metrics around operating margins?

Wal, that's a great question. We're making good progress on that front. You know, Nish’s, new position, President and CEO, we're working collectively across the organization to look at our targets. And as I talked about earlier in the year, the second half we’ll probably start to think about rolling out new targets associated with the margin profile and profitability. So stay tuned on that front. With that said, we are happy with the progress we've made so far. I mean, having a quarter where we had an adjusted margin of close to 17% on a revenue of $290 million is really good progress and we think there's more progress to be made.

Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Our last question is from Brian Rafn, Morgan Dempsey Capital Management.

Good morning, Bill, Ken, Nish.

Good morning, Brian.

Give me a sense - nice acquisition Globe Holding. What at a $110 million, what is their US domestic market share and how many players are there in that business?

Nish, do you want to cover that?

Sure. So they have about a third of the market, so their market share is roughly one third, 30% to 35% in that range. And there are two other major competitors. One is a Honeywell's Morning Pride turnout gear, it’s an acquisition Honeywell made several years ago and then privately held Line Apparel, which is in Ohio. Those are the other two large players in the marketplace.

Nish, you also said and I caught this in your comments, that fire fighters are looking at multiple sets of turnout gear or did I miss that?

Yeah, that's correct. So there is a bit of a trend in the industry and you know, there's potential for this in the future to pick up some steam where you have some fire departments that are buying multiple sets of turnout here for firefighters. So you know they go out on a shift and they get involved in a scene and they come back and send a set of turnout gear for laundering and then they have a backup set to wear for their next shift. So you're seeing some departments move in that direction. It's just you know, heightened awareness around the fact that they want to keep the garments clean and get the debris off the garments. And so that is driving some departments to go to a backup set so to speak for firefighters. And you know there's we believe with the heightened awareness around health and safety for our firefighters we believe that there's potential for that increase.

Okay. Is there - with Cairns helmets and certainly with the G1 SCBA is there any ability to package these different components or is really the SCBE a separate issue from the turnout gear in the helmets?

You know, at this point the evaluations are really somewhat separate. The Cairns helmets fit in a little tighter with the turnout gear. A lot of times you'll see departments make head to toe purchases. So there may be some opportunity there, but the evaluations today are really standalone. I look at the SCBA than the turnout gear, you know, even boots for that matter, though they'll look at that in a lot of regard separately. So you know, there is some opportunity for us. Obviously we have strong market share in all the core products within the fire service and that gives us tremendous access to fire departments throughout North America. So it would be hard pressed to find departments that don't use at least one MSA product today, especially now with the Globe product line. So it really gives us strong access to fire departments with strong market position and recognized brands.

If you look at their - you talked about having four manufacturing plants. What would be the age? How much CapEx, technology, the ability to consolidate, maybe move stuff to an MSA point. What do you see on the physical footprint?

Yeah. I'll jump in there. You know, we don't - I mean, we see some opportunities on the cost synergies side, but it's really you know, if you look at the margin profile, the EBITDA margins it certainly is an attractive business for us, so it's not a lot of that we have to do on that side and paying nine times for it also gives us an opportunity - give us a cause to kind of pause on that side, as well. So it's really - there's really not a lot you've got to do on the synergies and not a lot of opportunities on that side. When we look at it, we get we get excited about the distribution and the channels and what we have now in terms of fire service market opportunities. So that's where we see some of the bigger opportunities Brian, quite frankly.

Okay. Then on from a CapEx or a technology are we looking, I think it goes back to 1887, are we looking at you know, four people doing hand stitching or is this robotic sewing or what are the opportunities with CapEx and technology with the four plants that they have, that's any cost synergies?

There might be some opportunities on that side. But it is sort of a manual process. I'll tell you, you know when you look at the financial characteristics of it from a working capital perspective, I think they spend less than or they invest less than 15% of sales and working capital, so not very intensive on that side or on the CapEx side. So it's a good business for us. There are some opportunities as we move forward, but it certainly is an intact very solid acquisition for us.

Okay. Brian, one of the comments - Brian one of the - I'm sorry Brian, one other comments that I would make is, it's an organization that we were really impressed with the way they have focused on lean manufacturing and have adopted those techniques. If you think about the mass customization that has to go on in building firefighter turnout coat, like on the surface you might not think that, but when you really dig into it on the numbers of models that we have, the types of clothing, outer shell, inner shell, moisture barrier, insulation, the color of the fabric, the name that goes on the back, how much retro reflectivity do you want, where do you want your hooks, where do you want your radio pockets. There's an amazing amount of customization that goes on with producing this gear and the job that they have done from a lean manufacturing perspective is just amazing. So it's one of the things that really caught our eye. When you look at a business that is based on mass customization and a workflow that gets the product out the door quickly it's quite impressive.

Given that comment Bill, are these guys of a quality that you could be selling in to U.S. Air Force or Navy or NASA from the standpoint of firefighting?

Absolutely.

Okay. And in the procurement, the SCBA, a little more of a capital budget you talked a little bit about the AFG funds, you talked a little bit about going back to the city fathers and that, what’s kind of the procurement cycle for more of the soft lines, the turnout gear, is that less episodic, more continuous, is it still viewed by a fire department as a capital budget item?

Nish, I think you have a good handle on that, maybe you can explain those buying behaviours.

So the unlike breathing apparatus and I think I mentioned some of this in my comments, unlike breathing apparatus, you don't have the large buying cycles that you have with SCBA. With turnout gear, its a very stable day to day, week to week business you know, and I'd put it in the category of something like our head protection, which is a good steady flow of business. So what you'll find is firefighters will replace their turnout gear as it wears out. So it's not unusual the order size for them, is four sets of turnout gear. So the department will go out and replace four sets of turnout gear for four different firefighters or order for new sets. So they're typically fairly small orders. And in fact, when a fire department switches from one brand to another it's somewhat unusual for them to swap out all the turnout gear at the fire department. They'll just do that over time with individual firefighters. So the businesses it's a nice steady flow of business. And again like SCBA you know, city fathers or because budgets might be a little tight, they might delay a purchase or you know eliminate some of the accessories that they'll get. But the bottom line is you have to have turnout here for firefighters and the maximum life on the turnout gear is 10 years. But typically they last about three to five years before you know, especially in heavy use fire departments and in a three year period of the replacement.

Good. Hey, I appreciate those comments Nish. Just one more for you Bill. You talked a little bit you know, about SCBA, you kind of gotten through that pent up demand. Given the new fire standard what might your sense be in you know, from the metropolitan urban fire department to the volunteer rural relative to their upgrades you know, with SCBA. You talked, we’ll get two more two more years, where might we be, might we be 40% through that 60% if you had any anecdotal information?

Yeah, I think that you know, Nish has a very good handle on this actually, but I'll give you my perspective. I would think that we're probably around that the mid innings in this replacement cycle, Brian. I think we've got a ways to go. There's plenty of runway. Yes, we had a little bit of choppiness here in the second quarter, but as I said in my commentary, we're still very optimistic about what remains. And so, I would put this you know probably 50% to 60% through that replacement cycle, but clearly a few more years to go. Nish, any additional comments there?

Yeah, Bill, that's exactly where we are and I think we’re about halfway through the market, the buying cycle. We have the 18 standard coming which will be in the latter half of 2018, that's not a significant standard, there will be some changes on the breathing apparatus. We're in a great position with you know, what they're discussing on as far as the changes in the standard that should not be significant for us. So you know, we'll have that standard change in ‘18 and I expect ‘19 and ‘20 to be pretty good years for breathing apparatus purchases.

Good. Its sounds like you had a great acquisition. Thanks, guys.

Thank you, Brian.

We have no more questions. That will conclude today's call. If you missed a portion of the call, an audio replay and a transcript will be available on our website for the next 90 days.