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Marvell Technology, Inc. (MRVL)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 26, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Marvell Technologies Fiscal Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Ashish Saran, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Ashish Saran

Analyst

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Marvell's second quarter fiscal year 2022 earnings call. Joining me today are Matt Murphy, Marvell's President and CEO; and Jean Hu, our CFO. I would like to remind everyone that certain comments made today may include forward-looking statements, which are subject to significant risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from management's current expectations. Please review the cautionary statements and risk factors contained in our earnings press release, which we filed with the SEC today and posted on our website as well as our most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings. We do not intend to update our forward-looking statements. During our call today, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation between our GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures is available in the Investor Relations section of our website. As discussed during the prior quarters earnings call, we have implemented a change in how we report revenue. Starting with the second quarter of fiscal 2022, we have started to report revenue by a five end markets. In our earnings press release we issued earlier today, we have provided historical end market revenue data by quarter starting with the second quarter of fiscal 2020. In this press release, we have also provided revenue results by product groups. Going forward, we intend to only report revenue by end market. In today's call, Matt will comment briefly on our revenue performance by product group for the second quarter before transitioning most of his discussion to our results and expectations for each of our five end markets. With that, I'll turn the call over to Matt for his comments on our performance. Matt?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Thanks, Ashish, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start with a summary of our second quarter GAAP results. Revenue was $1.076 billion, GAAP gross margin was 34.6%, GAAP operating loss was $267 million and loss per diluted share was $0.34. Building on the strong results we delivered in Q1, our second quarter results, which include a full quarter of Inphi, were equally robust driven by strength in our diversified end markets and continued focus on operational excellence. Revenue for the second quarter exceeded the midpoint of our guidance and grew 29% sequentially and 48% year-over-year. I am now going to review our non-GAAP results for the quarter. Non-GAAP gross margin was 64.8%, 80 basis points better than expectation. Non-GAAP operating expenses were lower than expected and we delivered $331 million in non-GAAP operating income. Revenue, non-GAAP gross margin and non-GAAP operating income were all record achievements for Marvell. Higher revenue coupled with stronger non-GAAP gross margin and lower OpEx drove non-GAAP earnings per share to $0.34, $0.03 above the midpoint of guidance. Non-GAAP EPS grew 62% year-over-year. Our non-GAAP operating margin climbed above 30%, demonstrating significant operating leverage in our business model. In the second quarter, the standalone Marvell business delivered solid year-over-year revenue growth in the high teens on a percentage basis similar to the growth rate we saw in Q1. I am also pleased with the strength of our Inphi business, which delivered revenue above expectations and was accretive to our non-GAAP earnings in its first full quarter within Marvell. On a product group basis, networking revenue was $702 million, above the midpoint of expectations and grew 41% sequentially and 73% year-over-year. Storage revenue was $342 million also above the midpoint of expectations and grew 13% sequentially and 18% year-over-year. Our storage business, which I would note does not…

Jean Hu

Analyst

Thanks, Matt, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start with a review of our financial results for the second quarter and then provide our current outlook for the third quarter of fiscal 2022. Revenue in the second quarter was $1.076 billion, $11 million above the midpoint of guidance. Networking represented 65% of our revenue with storage contributing 32%. Revenue from other accounted for 3% of our revenue. As Ashish mentioned earlier, starting with the third quarter, we will only report revenue by our five end market to provide a more transparency about the key growth drivers of our business. GAAP gross margin was 34.6%, which included the amortization of Inphi inventory step-up cost. Non-GAAP gross margin was 64.8% of revenue, 80 basis points above the midpoint of guidance, primarily due to a better mix. GAAP operating expenses were $638 million. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $366 million, approximately $6 million below the midpoint of guidance, primarily due to faster-than-expected Inphi synergy achievement and disciplined OpEx management. I am confident that our team will achieve the remaining Inphi integration synergies based on the plan we discussed last quarter. Given the significant growth opportunities ahead of us, we are turning our focus to ensuring continued investment to support our long-term profitable growth. As a reminder, our operating expenses can vary quarter-to-quarter affected by factors such as the number of tape-outs within a particular quarter, and these tape-outs are becoming more expensive in newer process geometry. The cadence of NRE payment which we treat as the contra OpEx can also add variability. Our GAAP operating loss was $267 million. Non-GAAP operating profit was $331 million or 38.8% of revenue. For the second quarter, GAAP loss per diluted share was $0.34. Non-GAAP income per diluted share was $0.34. Now turning to our balance sheet. During the…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from John Pitzer with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

John Pitzer

Analyst

Yes. Good afternoon, Matt, Jean. Thanks for letting me ask question and congratulations on the solid results. Matt, relative to your enterprise commentary, you talked about supply constraints impacting the October quarter. I'm wondering when you look at the overall business holistically, where are things relative to the supply side of the equation? Are you still unable to ship to full demand by sort of what amount? And earlier this week, there were some rumors in the popular press of the foundry guys raising pricing. I'm just kind of curious if you guys have embedded that into your gross margin guidance and how you're thinking about kind of the current inflationary pricing environment. Can you pass that on? Or is that something that you can't pass on?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. Great. Thanks, John. So with respect to enterprise, let me just frame it at the whole company level. We are still carrying pretty meaningful levels of delinquency across all of the end markets as our business has accelerated in terms of topline growth, which we've been very pleased at. I guess the downside is that the demand has continued to grow. Well, I guess it's a good thing. The demand is growing faster than supply, but we need to catch up. So enterprise is impacted, but so are the other end markets. Although I would say given the complex nature of our networking products, we're carrying relatively more – we're relatively farther behind there. We were pleased that we’re able to have a strong performance in Q2 and catch up because as you can see, there was a fairly meaningful step-up in revenue. Most of that is coming from organic standalone Marvell. There is some contribution from Inphi, but it's not as – it wasn't large for Inphi. So this is all Marvell, and in fact when you look into Q3, in our guidance that still implies a 30% year-over-year growth rate in enterprise. So we could ship a lot more if we could get the products, and I think you could also view this as another sign that the enterprise business, which we had been saying a quarter or two ago could be a real tailwind for the company. This business is definitely picking up both at the end market and demand level as well as our own design wins layering in. So we're going to be working hard to increase our revenues here and catch up on the delinquency. On the foundry side, and just in general with the pricing environment, I mean, as you recall, there…

John Pitzer

Analyst

Helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Ross Seymore

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks for letting me ask the question and echo that congrats on the results. Matt, I want to go a little bit into the carrier business. You talked in your press release about the 5G business accelerating in the third quarter. And then taking this, I think you've called it a significant step-up again in the fourth quarter. Can you give us just a little bit of a ballpark, how much of your carrier business is that? What's driving that 5G step-up? And I guess this is kind of the deductive logic, what's driving the step-down on the wired side implicit in your fiscal third quarter guide?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. Great. Thanks, Ross. Yes. So wireless has performed very well for us. Historically, as you recall, we had seven straight quarters of sequential growth in our 5G business. That took a pause this past quarter, which we had signaled with the China 5G digestion. And then on the positive side, we see that business reaccelerating and growing in Q3 and then even more in Q4. That's primarily on the back of new design wins that we had achieved several years ago, ramping into production. And those geographies that are being serviced through those are primarily non-China. So that's really part of the – now the global rollout, which we're well positioned with our key customers there. So it's a combination of global rollout plus new content kicking in which we had been signaling for some time. So that's all going well. The balance as you mentioned is wired. That business historically wasn't terribly large for Marvell. We picked up some wired revenue from Inphi really in the coherent franchise, which does link in some ways to the growth of global data traffic. So we feel good going forward about the wired portion, that's the Inphi piece. But in general, that business is lumpier. That business also has pretty significant supply constraints around it as well. And so I'd say the traditional Marvell wired business isn't necessarily a growth business. The carrier business over time will be driven by the wireless portion as well as some of the Inphi business. And just big round numbers, the wireless portion is roughly half the carrier number, and that will grow over time, obviously as wired probably stays flattish without Inphi. Inphi will grow, and then obviously the 5G rollouts will really be what's going to drive the carrier growth over the next few years.

Ross Seymore

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Vivek Arya with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Vivek Arya

Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. Matt, you're guiding Q3 sales up by, I think, $69 million, $70 million, 6% or so. Is that really the absolute dollars of supply equivalent that is becoming available? And if that is the case, is that the range of supply dollars that could be available for the next several quarters? So I know you're not guiding more than a quarter out. I'm just trying to get a better sense for how many supply dollars are kind of becoming available for the next handful of quarters because it seems like that is really what's going to get what we assume from a growth perspective for you over the next several quarters. And I think part B of that on the 5G side, you alluded to that 5G ramp in Q4. Would that be incremental to that kind of supply available? Or do you think that is kind of captured in those dollars? So just trying to get a better sense for what the flexes on the supply side over the next handful of quarters. Thank you.

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Sure. Yes. I mean, I think it's fairly straightforward in terms of how we think about the guidance and just the broader commentary that we gave, which very much comprehends the supply that we see available, and we're obviously been pushing hard to increase that. And I would note, we have increased that. If you look even going back to a year-ago or more even at the beginning of calendar 2020, we started growing the company double digits and that growth rate for the standalone Marvell has actually accelerated, right. It was in the double-digit range. Now you get to the first half of this year, we had 17% kind of growth, both in Q1 and Q2 in the standalone Marvell business. We've said that that's going to pick up in Q3, right, more like 20% year-over-year. And we expect that we can continue going at that kind of rate. So we've been actually accelerating our ability to get supply. And then on top of that, we've got Inphi kicking in, which has also been able to grow their business meaningfully. So we've been signaling for quite some time to our supply chain that – and our suppliers that we have needs and here they are. And so you should expect that we're going to keep working on that and we're going to keep driving the supply higher as available. We've had I think a lot of productive discussions and negotiations with our key suppliers, not only for this quarter, next quarter, but next year and even beyond in terms of really lining up where we see our business heading. The advantage I think we have over some of the other industry peers perhaps is that our product life cycles, Vivek, in data infrastructure are very long. These are typically five, sometimes seven-year life cycles. So we've got very good visibility. And so we're in those discussions right now, both this quarter, next quarter blocking and tackling as well as planning our calendar 2022, and then even planning out even farther with some long-term agreements we're putting in place. But just to circle back to the main question, yes, everything we give you is centered around what we can actually supply. There’s – like I said, every one of our end markets, we could ship more right now if we could get the parts.

Vivek Arya

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Blayne Curtis with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Blayne Curtis

Analyst

Hey. Good afternoon, and thanks for the question and thanks for the additional segment guidance. Just curious on, you mentioned another cloud ASIC win and that can span a lot storage or DPUs, CPUs networking, and now maybe optical. So I was wondering if you could give any color on that one, or maybe just in general, all these wins that you've had, where you're seeing the most traction across ASIC capabilities to be helpful.

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. Sure, Blayne. Thanks. Yes, I'd say just, if I frame it more broadly as you mentioned the dynamic is that the ASIC and semi-custom wins that we're getting are across a broad range of applications. So it's all the above. They're everything from compute, ML, AI, networking, storage, and I'm pleased with the breadth and it's across multiple customers, multiple applications. I believe in my prepared remarks on the one that we just secured was actually in the networking area. So it's in a bunch of different applications. But it's all leveraging fundamentally, Blayne, the five-nanometer technology platform that we introduced in the summer of 2020, which is leveraging all of the high performance standard Marvell IPs. That's all going very well. And just as a side note on our five-nanometer programs are with multiple products now that have taped out this year. We actually have the first Silicon on five-nanometer coming back now imminently. And we're very happy with all the benchmarking performance et cetera. I'd also say that we're in a strong period of design win momentum, primarily because we introduced the platform in 2020, there's a whole range now of RFQs that we've been successful on closing on. And that's not just in the cloud, by the way, we also noted we won an important 5G ASIC just recently. And even across some of our other end markets, we've also secured some very important programs on five-nanometer. So yes, so I think over time, what you'll see is a very diverse offering of cloud, set of custom and semi-custom sockets across multiple end markets and multiple applications.

Blayne Curtis

Analyst

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Tore Svanberg with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Tore Svanberg

Analyst

Yes. And congrats on the record results. Matt, you mentioned that 400ZR is going to be ramping now. Is that which sort of Inphi’s anchored customer? Or are you starting to see ramps with multiple hyperscalers for that particular product? Thank you.

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. What I’d say, Tore, is on 400ZR unlike the initial COLORZ product, which was primarily at one hyperscaler. The engagements are much more broad with 400ZR. And so I'd say there are a number of different design opportunities and wins that are at various stages of trials, qualifications and production ramps. But we anticipate that 400ZR will be multi-customer, multi-year and a very important product cycle for Marvell. But there is one primary customer ramping now, but it's going to continue beyond that.

Tore Svanberg

Analyst

Understood. Thank you, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Harlan Sur with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Harlan Sur

Analyst

Good afternoon, and congratulations on the strong results and execution. As I look beyond Q3 and the growing demand profile for your products, right, combined with strong product upgrade cycles, you've got 400-gig in your PAM for optical business. As you just mentioned, you are ramping new data center interconnect business on 400ZR, 5G wireless you mentioned, and continued strong demand for your nearline HDD and enterprise SSD controllers. This would suggest that a high level sequential growth into Q4. Does the team have the supply commitments, both wafers and packaging substrates to drive quarter-on-quarter growth in Q4 if the backlog supports it?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. Thanks for the question Harlan. We do, we see increase in supply each quarter. Our backlog today and firm purchase orders firmly supports that plus the supply that comes with it. So we do expect sequential growth in Q4. And as you mentioned – you outlined a number of growth opportunities. This isn't just going to be a Q3, Q4 type of phenomena. Each one of these really carries into our calendar 2022 and in many cases accelerates. So that's why I said earlier in one of the prior questions, there's blocking and tackling in Q3 and Q4, but we've been really working for the last six months in detail, even longer on how do we line up continued strong growth in calendar 2022, 2023, 2024 because this is going to be multi-year and many of these engagements by the way are also multi-generational. So we tend to transition from one platform to another, and we're going to see that in our 5G business as an example. So yes, bottom line is we do have supply lined up and we're going to keep working hard to make sure we can chunk away that delinquency. And we're very focused on customer set at this point. I think that's the main driving force of what we do right now, Harlan, is just make sure that we're not the long pole in the tent that we're meeting what our customers need, and that we're also planning our business together, and I'm quite pleased with how that cooperation is going. And I think we have a very, very clear outlook for what we need to go get done in the next few quarters and through next year.

Harlan Sur

Analyst

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Srini Pajjuri with SMBC Nikko Securities. Please go ahead.

Srinivas Pajjuri

Analyst

Thank you. Matt, I have a question on the hyperscale business. Obviously, you have several product cycles in the 400-gig, 400ZR, and you also mentioned DPUs. What I'm trying to figure out is that, many of your peers are also reporting very strong demand from hyperscale. So trying to understand to what extent your business is mostly structural versus also benefiting from some of the spending increase and the cyclical factors. So as we go through the next few quarters, as I guess, some of the cyclical factors slow down. Just trying to figure out, how we should think about your core business that goes into the hyperscale customers?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. I think Srini it's both. So clearly the peer companies are – I mean, there's probably one notable exception. But in general, the peer companies are reporting very strong growth in hyperscale. So I think that is secular. And I think that's very much happening. If you just look at our organic growth and you can do the math because you know sort of where Inphi was a year-ago, it's very, very strong. And in fact, as I look to Q3, it's both growth from Inphi, but as you pointed out and it's not just DPUs from Marvell, it's also our networking products with our storage products. I mean, we sell a number of product lines, let's call it 10, maybe 10 plus product lines just going into cloud alone. Almost each one of those is up even sequentially in Q3, almost all of them are up. And then if you look at year-over-year, the growth in our data center business actually – and cloud business from Marvell standalone would actually be even growing faster than the Inphi business. And that's all on the basis of new designs and new ramps contributing to that. So I think we've got growth, we've got strong secular demand happening in the hyperscale, but it's our own unique cycles. As you mentioned, the transition from NRZ to PAM and 400-gig and 200-gig intra-data center, the ramp now of 400ZR, the attach rate of DPUs, attaching more and more as a percentage to CPU's, and then you've got our own product cycles, whether they're new design wins and DIY storage for flash. I mean, I could go through the whole list, but it's – I think that's the exciting thing about our portfolio. That's very differentiated in the semiconductor industry relative to the hyperscale accounts. We have so many product lines, very unique and very differentiated both in the Silicon and the software and firmware we provide. And we're just at the early stages in some of these quite frankly, in terms of the ramp cycle. So when you look at the guide, we're going to be – obviously our guide for data center is about 2x the rate of growth for the whole company just from Q2 to Q3. And certainly we have very strong expectations heading into next year on the data center.

Srinivas Pajjuri

Analyst

Got it. Very helpful. Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Ambrish Srivastava with BMO. Please go ahead.

Ambrish Srivastava

Analyst

Hi. Thank you very much Matt and Jean. On gross margin, despite all the input costs, you have been able to keep it to the higher end of long-term. And Matt, you made a comment about next year kind of expecting additional input, not additional – ongoing input cost increase. So should we expect gross margin to kind of stay in the higher end of the range like you're guiding to? Or is there an offset? And I do realize that there's a product mix impact as well. So just please helps us understand how we should think about the overall gross margin?

Jean Hu

Analyst

Hey, Ambrish. This is Jean. Yes, firstly we're very pleased with our strong Q2 gross margin performance. And I think a lot of the things we discussed in the past is the primary driver of our gross margin is really a product mix. And what we have been doing with the customers as Matt mentioned is that we're working with the customers, really try to minimize the impact from all the input cost increase. But overall, if you think about the product portfolio we have in data center, as Matt just mentioned earlier and also enterprise in Q2, we see our enterprise business, networking business growing 27% sequentially. All those significant performance on the product portfolio on the revenue side actually are very favorable to our gross margin. Fundamentally it's a reflection of our investment in the IP. So I don't think that will change because we continue to innovate, we continue to invest to drive the portfolio and the topline revenue growth. So we're going to be in the range and we'll continue to work with the customers to set priorities and to make sure we meet the customer's need first and then definitely we want to make sure our operating model continue to leverage to expand the operating profit going forward.

Ambrish Srivastava

Analyst

Got it, Jean. So we should assume at the higher end of the long-term rate then, right, given how the product mix is shifting more towards…

Jean Hu

Analyst

The range is the product mix because we have a five end market. Quarter-over-quarter, you're going to see the variability of the mix change. Frankly, what we discussed the 64% to 65% that range is potentially you are going to see in the long-term.

Ambrish Srivastava

Analyst

Got it. Thank you, Jean.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Joseph Moore

Analyst

Great. Thank you. We appreciate the additional revenue classifications and the color there. I'm curious how you're thinking about building the development team? Are you going to focus on these end markets more? Or I noticed there storage controllers, I think going into four of the five segments. So are you going to maintain vertical market focus on storage? And then have kind of a go-to-market and just how should we think about this impact not just where we see your business but how you're seeing internally?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. Thanks for the question, Joe. Actually it’s pretty insightful. So we're a product company, we're a technology company. We're organized by business units, we have divisions, business units and product lines, and each of those is really responsible for driving technical excellence in everything they do, product differentiation roadmap. And that's going to continue. What I would say though, is when I look at my level and when we look at, what I – and this has been consistent for five years. I had a philosophy when I became CEO, which was that the semiconductor companies that adopted a market based approach relative to looking at the R&D investment profile across its portfolio. Those companies that made that shift we’re going to have the biggest level going forward. I mean, I'm just, I appreciate it internally all the time, which is the market always wins. And so we had an era when I started in the industry, which was, you just did parts as many parts as you can put them out in the data book, so you buy the parts, best part wins. There was a shift to, hey, go focus on customers, find a customer, sell a basket of products. But in the end, it's really the end market orientation and concentration which ultimately drives your business and those that the shifting that mix is like one of the hardest things to do in business, okay. You can sort of shift your product line, you can move some investment around, but to get it to flow through to the P&L is really tough. And so I think one of the things, when you just take a 30,000 foot view, Joe, of what we've accomplished in the last five years, you know, consumer, when I joined was probably…

Joseph Moore

Analyst

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Toshiya Hari with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Toshiya Hari

Analyst

Thanks for taking. Hello?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. We are here.

Toshiya Hari

Analyst

Sorry. Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the solid results. Matt, I realize it's still a relatively small portion of your business but you talked about your automotive business exceeding a $100 million in annualized run rate in Q3. I was hoping you could speak to the breadth of that business today in terms of product, technology, customer mix. And I guess more importantly, based on the design win pipeline, you have in front of you today. How are you thinking about the growth rate going forward in that business? Thank you.

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. Great. Thanks for the question. So the business today is, has been squarely focused in this pretty radical change that happened over the last few years with the internal networks of the car, moving to Ethernet based products and packet based networking. And that's for a number of reasons. The design wins we have today are extremely broad. And, we've got something like 24%, 20% to 24% car OEMs, not models, not individual products, but the actual OEMs themselves who are adopting Marvell Ethernet technology. In many cases, they've elected to go sole source with us and those engagements primarily to ensure interoperability because as you add more and more easy to use and modules inside the car that you want to hook up your Ethernet, you actually want to make sure that the link is highly reliable. We have wins both with the established leading Tier 1, call it top 10 car OEMs, but also a very strong position in the emerging challengers. All the EV startups, which when you add it all up, and of course, Tesla is a big part of the number, but there's like $700 billion, $800 billion worth of market cap tied up and do emerging EV entrance. So we've got sort of the new guys that are designing our stuff in, that's a call option on growth and then we have the established players as well. Relative to the financial – the potential, now we've said that we believe it's going to be about a $1 billion market over the next few years. And at our Analyst Day, we gave line of sight to this being a multi-hundred million dollar type of business. The business has accelerated. We had signaled last year that we were hoping to get to $25 million a…

Toshiya Hari

Analyst

Great. Thank you for the details.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Gary Mobley with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Gary Mobley

Analyst

Hi. I have a couple of questions for Jean. Jean, I would assume that you're in sort of the sweet spot of the OpEx synergy realization from the Inphi acquisition. You're guiding for roughly $1 million sequential growth in non-GAAP OpEx for the third quarter. And so just given all the different moving pieces in your investments and the synergies to be realized in Inphi, is it realistic to think that you could see fourth quarter OpEx drop sequentially, and then eventually, tick back up in the first quarter per year usual first year increases? And then for the non-GAAP tax rate, if I'm not mistaken, your expectation is for it to increase going forward. Should we think about that maybe 100 basis point to 200 basis point annual increases going forward? Thank you.

Jean Hu

Analyst

Maybe the easy one first. On the non-GAAP tax rate for next year, you'll probably can just model about 6% because we do have a lot of the tax deductions as part of our merger with Inphi. So that's the assumption you can model. On the OpEx rate, our team did a great job to integrate the one ERP one quarter ahead of the time. So if you look at the synergy achievement we outlined last quarter, we basically achieved the one ERP one quarter earlier, so the OpEx came off in Q2 and then Q3 guidance, frankly, as I said earlier, we do see the pattern of synergy achievement just exactly the same as we outlined last quarter. So Q4, typically, there are variabilities of OpEx. I think, I will leave it to you to model it, but from our perspective, we are quite confident to achieve the Inphi synergy, at the same time the seasonality of OpEx in Q1, you're absolutely right, typically Q1 because of the payroll tax, the OpEx will step up. I just want to make sure, right, the team at Marvell is very thoughtful in managing OpEx, but at the same time increase the investment to drive the long-term revenue growth. Especially given the tremendous opportunities we have ahead of us, we are going to make sure we invest, but at the same time, we always going to drive revenue growth significantly higher than the OpEx growth.

Gary Mobley

Analyst

Thanks, Jean.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Chris Caso with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Chris Caso

Analyst

Yes. Thank you. Good evening. The question is just a clarification of what’s included in the new segmentation specifically for data center. And I think your comments that half of – more than half of that business was cloud-based. What's the other half? Is that more in the area of campus networking? If you can clarify that. And maybe you could talk to the relative growth rates of cloud versus the non-cloud that you're expecting within the Data Center segment going forward?

Jean Hu

Analyst

Maybe I'll – I'll give you the definition then Matt can add. On the on-premise data center, that’s part of the data center is really, frankly, it's our – some of the HDD business, Fiber Channel business and the Networking business it's on-premise data center, but more than half its actually cloud data center. Matt, you can add more.

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes, sure. So think of this as our traditional industry standard servers, host bus adapter cards, enterprise mix, things like that. So that business historically has been pretty flat. And just to clarify the campus networking products, that's an enterprise networking, so that's moves to the enterprise line. So we've gone through pretty carefully and just figured out which – what our revenue concentration is specifically in the enterprise on-prem side. So that we assume it's going to be a flattish business. It's been a flattish business. It'll have its ups and downs here and there. All the growth is going to come from cloud. And so as we mentioned, it's over half of the revenue today, and even if you look to Q3, the acceleration and growth you see is coming from that portion. And we expect the cloud to be probably one of the biggest growth drivers of the whole company over the next few years. I mean, cloud alone is larger than carrier, larger than enterprise, larger than consumer, larger than anything else, just on its own – as its own line item, and that should continue to see very outsized growth for the foreseeable the future.

Chris Caso

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our final question will come from Quinn Bolton with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst

Sorry, can you hear me now?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. There you go.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst

Okay. Sorry about that. Matt, I was just going to ask on the 400ZR ramp. How much of that business for Marvell will be optical modules, complete modules versus just selling DSPs to other module vendors? And the reason I ask is if you look at your market share sort of by DSP, what share do you think you may ultimately achieve in the ZR market if you're just counting DSPs?

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. You're asking some great questions. Let me give you maybe a higher level view and then we've got – as we mentioned, our Analyst Day coming up in October, where you're going to be able to hear actually from the various executives running these groups, and they'll talk in a lot more detail about sort of the questions you're asking because that's fairly specific, but at the highest level 400ZR is going to be a combination, okay, of both modules as well as standalone DSPs. The team has lined up with number of partners, both for the ZR applications, ZR plus there's an open version of that, and then there's also applications for this that are not DCI, right, that are actually in the carrier market. And so there's a broad opportunity here Quinn, besides just, “Hey, we take the one hyperscaler we had, we are moving to 400ZR and then it's done.” It's not that at all. And the initial ramp we are seeing is based on modules and we're continuing to be committed to that. That's a good business for us. But the Inphi team, I think, had done a great job of lining up a broader ecosystem set of partners to drive DSP sales as well. So we'll give more color on those dynamics, when we get into the Investor Day and we start talking more about our products and our technologies.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Matt.

Matt Murphy

Analyst

Yes. You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

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