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Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Tue, May 1, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Marathon Petroleum Corporation's First Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Christine, and I will be your operator for today's conference. [Operator Instructions] Please note today's conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Pam Beall. You may begin.

Pamela Beall

Analyst

Thank you, Christine. Good morning, everybody, and welcome to Marathon Petroleum Corporation's First Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. The synchronized slides that accompany this call can be found on our website, marathonpetroleum.com. On the call today are Gary Heminger, President and CEO; Garry Peiffer, Executive Vice President of Corporate Planning and Investor and Government Relations; Don Templin, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Mike Palmer, Senior Vice President of Supply, Distribution and Planning. Please read the Safe Harbor Statement on Slide 2. It's a reminder that we will be making forward-looking statements during the presentation and during the question-and-answer session. Actual results may differ materially from what we expect today and factors that could cause actual results to differ are included here, as well as in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. And now I'll turn the call over to Gary Heminger for opening remarks. Gary?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Thanks, Pam, and good morning to everyone. We had a strong first quarter with $596 million of net income representing a 13% increase over the same quarter last year. Our strong results are primarily due to the improvement in the U.S. Gulf Coast crack spread and our ability to capture value using our extensive logistics assets. Our team executed on our capabilities to increase our throughput of WTI priced crudes, which represented 30% of the crude we refined during the first quarter of 2012, up from 25% in the same quarter of 2011. We are delivering on our commitment to return capital to shareholders through an $850 million accelerated share repurchase program as part of the $2 billion authorization we received earlier this year from our Board of Directors. We have already received the majority of the shares, and we expect to receive the remaining shares over the coming months. Our mission continues to be value creation for our investors incorporating a balance between internal and external investment and a return of capital to shareholders. Our cash balance at quarter end was just over $2.2 billion, supported by strong earnings but down from year end 2011, primarily due to our share repurchase program. In total, we have spent about $950 million on our accelerated share repurchase program and dividends during the first quarter of 2012. Our strong financial position is also reflected in our debt-to-capital ratio of 26%. Upgrades to our Detroit refinery as part of the DHOUP project were approximately 92% complete as of March 31, 2012, and remain on budget and on schedule for completion in the third quarter of this year. Immediately following, there will be a 70-day turnaround to tie in the new units, and we expect the upgraded and expanded refinery to be online by…

Donald Templin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Thanks, Gary. Slide 4 provides net income both on an absolute and per-share basis. Our first quarter 2012 net income of $596 million reflects a $67 million increase from the $529 million we earned in the first quarter of 2011. Earnings per diluted share was $1.70 for the first quarter 2012 compared to $1.48 during the same period last year. I should note that as a result of the accelerated share repurchase program that we initiated in early February, the weighted average number of diluted shares outstanding during the 2012 first quarter was $350 million compared to $358 million used in the first quarter of 2011 calculation. At the end of the quarter, there were just over 340 million common shares outstanding. The waterfall chart on Slide 5 shows by segment the change in net income from the first quarter of 2011 to the first quarter of 2012. The primary driver for the increase in our net income was the increase in refining and marketing segment income, partially offset by higher interest and other corporate expenses and by higher income taxes. Before I move to a discussion of the results of our operating segments, I wanted to comment briefly on the change in interest and other expense and the change in income taxes. The $37 million quarter-over-quarter change in interest and other items primarily relates to the interest expense on our $3 billion in senior notes, the absence of related party interest and the costs associated with being a stand-alone company. The increase in income tax expense is a function of our higher earnings during the 2012 first quarter. Most of the slides I'm using today compare first quarter 2012 to first quarter 2011. Given the volatility in commodity prices, I thought it would be also useful to show certain…

Pamela Beall

Analyst

As we open the call for your questions, we ask that you limit yourself to one question plus a follow-up and then of course, you can prompt again for additional questions as time permits. So with that, I'd like to now open the call to questions. Christine?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Paul Sankey from Deutsche Bank.

Paul Sankey

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Firstly, just sequentially, could you give me an idea -- it was notable that you had a tough quarter in Q4 and this is obviously a good beat of expectations. Could you give us a sense for the impact in the way that you presented on Slide 6 of some of the differential moves, particularly the sweet/sour and the WTI LLS? And also, I'm wondering about market structure because I guess we've got a little bit of kind of a double curve at the moment with a bit of contango and a bit of backwardation.

Donald Templin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Paul, this is Don, if you wait one second here.

Paul Sankey

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. I'll flip in the follow-up if you want but Gary, could you talk a bit about export potential and if we could to go back obviously to my recent question, but the other question I had was just about export potential, how big you think the market for distillate exports can be. That's my two.

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

That's tough to determine how big that actually can go because it all depends on the refining slate in Europe and how refineries run in South and Latin America, but our indicators suggest that the market continues to be very strong for exports and the way that we put out the different cargoes for sale, we're continuing to get a strong response on those cargoes. So it looks like, Paul, it should continue to be strong for the, we think, into the distant future. The other thing is there's a tremendous amount of building and expansion going on in Brazil and some surrounding countries, which is helping as well.

Paul Sankey

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Gary, can you just talk a little bit of more about the destinations of your exports? I get the point on the refining performance, but I guess most of your stuff is going to Latin American growth, is that correct?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Well, as we've said and Mike Palmer is here. Mike, why don't you -- Mike handles all of our supply business so I'll let Mike go into the detail.

C. Palmer

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Yes, Paul. I guess what I would say is that we continue to have a very robust market for distillate exports and frankly, it still continues to be both Europe as well as Latin and South America.

Paul Sankey

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. Is there a sense of the mix or is it just, shall I call it 50-50?

C. Palmer

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Yes, I think you could probably call it 50-50 today.

Paul Sankey

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Great. And then, just to remind you my first question was, sorry to put you on the spot here, but it was really Slide 6 ...

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Yes, I think Don has it for you now.

Donald Templin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Sure, Paul. The LLS crack spread in the fourth quarter of 2011 was -- the total was $135 million versus the $323 million. The sweet/sour differential was $53 million. The LLS prompt versus WTI prompt was $461 million. The LLS prompt versus delivered was a negative $179 million. Market structure was $15 million and then the direct operating costs were a negative $689 million.

Paul Sankey

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Is that the indicative gross margin change sequentially?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Those were the absolute dollars.

Paul Sankey

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. So that's the equivalent to Slide 6 or 7?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

That was equivalent to Slide 6.

Paul Sankey

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. That's helpful. Great. You don't have it for Slide 7 I guess, do you?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

I don't right now.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Doug Terreson from ISI Group.

Douglas Terreson

Analyst · ISI Group

Gary, in the pipeline business I think you guys have a pretty meaningful interest in the Capline, which I think operated a pretty low utilization until recently and either way, I want to see if we could get an update on the status of that pipeline and while I realize, partner consent may be required, whether or not you guys are thinking about any possibility plans because it seems like it could be a significant earnings opportunity for Marathon Petroleum. So could you just spend a minute on that, please?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · ISI Group

Well in fact, let me have Mike Palmer talk about -- you're absolutely right, Doug, we do have a little over 30% ownership in Capline. It's a very big artery to be able to move many crudes from the South to North and -- but let me have Mike Palmer go into that for more detail. Mike?

C. Palmer

Analyst · ISI Group

Yes, it's actually difficult to say a lot. At this point in time that we certainly are well aware of Capline and the low utilization, and there's been a lot of talk about reversing Capline. And certainly, we're well aware of the issues that are associated with that. It's complicated, not only from a partner standpoint but just from the use of the pipeline itself. So we are evaluating it now. We are looking at alternatives to that asset as well as other assets, but there's really not a lot more that we can say at this point in time.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Paul Cheng from Barclays.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Can I have a number of quick balance sheet item, Don? What is the market value of your inventory of [indiscernible] and the long-term debt? And also that if you can tell us -- you're saying that you start moving into the brand hedging. In the second quarter, should we assume that you're pretty much using the brand hedging or that just you just halfway through? If you can give us some estimate of what is the exposure as well as what is your WTI link total exposure at this point?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Barclays

Okay. Paul, hopefully, I got most of those questions. I think the first one was on the inventory question. Inventory was $6.8 billion above our reported cost.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

$6.8?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Barclays

$6.8 billion.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Okay. And that the long-term debt out of the total debt component?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Barclays

Long-term debt is almost all of the debt, $3.3 billion. We have very little short-term debt.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Okay. All right. How about on the hedging on that you're moving into plan, are we pretty much all out from WTI or that you're just in the process?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Barclays

For purposes of our cargo hedges, so the foreign crude purchases we are using Brent derivatives to float that price.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

So in the second quarter, you have the Brent WTI differential swing. We should not assume that you will have any meaningful impact in your hedging?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Barclays

On cargoes, that's correct.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Okay. And then how about the WTI link exposure? I mean I think last quarter you're excluding WC as it was the 28%. What is that at this point?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

This is Gary, Paul. We're giving guidance for the second quarter that our WTI will be about 27%, I believe it is.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

27%?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

I think, I'll hold on to one of the slides here. We got it. Yes. 27% is what the expected WTI price crude runs will average in the second quarter.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Gary, can you remind me what is the first quarter level?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

First quarter of this year was right about 30%. We had much lower crude throughputs this quarter, they'll be increasing in the second quarter as such it will be about -- the volume is about the same but the percentage is going down to 27%.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Is there any reason why it's going down?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

Just the higher -- the absolute total, the total barrels of crude we're running is higher but the volume of WTI link is about the same.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

So the increase of your crude run down in the Gulf Coast, is that the reason?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

All over.

Donald Templin

Analyst · Barclays

We had turnarounds in the first quarter and for whatever reasons, Paul, we just had lower throughputs.

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

Lower crude throughputs. Total throughputs were fairly consistent with last year.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Blake Fernandez from Howard Weil.

Blake Fernandez

Analyst · Howard Weil

I had a question for you on the buyback program. It sounds like you're largely through the $850 accelerated program. And I'm just trying to understand how we should think about the balance of the $2 billion program after that. In other words, is that going to be kind of ratable repurchases or does that become more opportunistic?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Howard Weil

Blake, this is Don. When we complete the program and that program we expect to complete in the next couple of months at the latest, we will evaluate a number of factors, including our cash position and the market. And we will be making a recommendation to our Board around how to continue that -- how to continue or what to do with that share repurchase program. So I would say it will be a fact and circumstance-based decision when this current program expires.

Blake Fernandez

Analyst · Howard Weil

Okay. Fair enough. And then the second question I had was on the retail acquisition. I know you had a target of 70%, I believe, on assured sales. And I'm just curious with this recent 88 store acquisition, do you have an idea of where that puts you with regard to your target?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Howard Weil

Well, and Paul, excuse me, Blake, things change on how that product was supplied in the marketplace prior to where it is today. It is only going to change minimally once we get this acquisition complete here in the second quarter.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Jeff Dietert from Simmons & Company International.

Jeffrey Dietert

Analyst · Simmons & Company International

Question for Gary or Mike. I know there's a fair amount of volatility experienced in the Chicago product markets this quarter. Could you talk about some of the dynamics that contributed to that volatility and do the flexibility of your system allow you to perhaps do better than what the market indicators suggested was available in that market?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Simmons & Company International

You know I think probably what I could say is that the weakness that you saw in Chicago had a lot to do with the weakness that occurred in the Canadian crude oil pricing during the first quarter. The weather was good, production was high, there was a lot of Canadian crude that was being produced and obviously, those pipes that sit directly on Enbridge pipeline in Chicago have the ability to bring in very cheap crude. And so they continue to run a lot of crude basically and that did cause, it has caused product prices to be relatively cheap. So from our standpoint again, I mean we, as you know, our system is setup such that we have the ability of running Canadian crude as well. So we took advantage of the cheap Canadian crude just like the Chicago refiners did, although we have constraints that perhaps they don't.

Jeffrey Dietert

Analyst · Simmons & Company International

It seemed as if, and perhaps there was some winter/summer grade gasoline issue there as well. It got weak and then it rallied sharply, was that part of the issue also?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Simmons & Company International

Yes. That's a phenomena really that we see every year. When you look at the Chicago market it's relatively a thin market and the vapor pressure changes caused volatility pretty much every year.

Jeffrey Dietert

Analyst · Simmons & Company International

If I could follow-up on Detroit, you talked about the 70 day turnaround after the completion of the heavy upgrader, is that a complete refinery turnaround? How do you expect that to impact throughput volumes in the fourth quarter?

C. Palmer

Analyst · Simmons & Company International

Yes. Yes, it is a complete refinery turnaround. That's all it will be. We'll be down for that 70-day period of time. We will inspect all units, how things go in and turn around. If we get a few done early, we may start up a few of the small units, but with complete turnaround and tying in of the new systems we're putting in, I would say that we will reengage the systems in a very plant sequence. And I would doubt that you'll see much of the many of the process you going to lose coming up early.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Chi Chow from Macquarie Capital.

Chi Cho

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Gary, in your prepared remarks, you talked about certain crude spreads potentially staying wide longer-term. Could you expand on that and maybe talk about what specific crudes you're thinking about?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Sure, Chi. And I think we've chatted about this in the past. As we look at the crude going from North to South and West to East, first of all, the Canadian crude and we all know the dynamics in the system is trying to expand the crude systems into the Gulf Coast for Canadian supply. Then you look at the Bakken come down to the Niobrara, eventually to the Permian and Eagle Ford. The Canadian and Bakken and Permian crude as well, all finds its way to the Cushing hub. The initial pipeline that, I understand midmonth here, will be started up. That will be reversed from Cushing to the Gulf Coast, is around 150,000 barrels per day or so, of output. But when you look at the Bakken, and I'm understanding 20,000 to 30,000 barrels per calendar month are being added each month, and you look at the take away capacity from the Bakken, the take away capacity from Canada and then the Cushing barrels, excuse me, the Permian barrels coming into Cushing, we still find that there's going to be a substantial amount of supply available vis-à-vis the amount of export capacity you have out of that Cushing market. And then the other point that I want to make is as you take a look at, at those crudes that eventually may want to find their way to the Gulf Coast, and I think you have a very, very strong competitive force being the Eagle Ford's crude that is continuing to grow each month, and in order to be able to get those crudes and transport those crudes through the Gulf Coast, I see it that you have to go through the Eagle Ford to get there. Therefore, I think it's going to allow differentials to be wider back in those refiners in the Mid-Continent and Midwest that have the ability to take those crudes into the marketplace. They're going to have a transportation differential, a timing differential, and I think you are going to find more competition in the Gulf Coast. And where that competition is really going to play out I believe, is the imported barrel that is coming in as well as some offshore barrels that could come in into the Gulf Coast, either Louisiana corridor or the Houston corridor. I just see for some time that the friction of those barrels that are trying to pass through to the Gulf Coast is still going to be a very, very competitive market, therefore it's going to, as I said before, allow benefits back to Midwest, Mid-Continent refiners.

Chi Cho

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Great. Well, given those thoughts, why would you even consider a reversal of Capline?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Oh, we didn't say that we were considering that. That there are many markets and many ways to look for the markets. And it's clear, Capline is 1 million-barrel per day, kind of rated capacity system, that moves South to the North per day. It is also clear that you would need to ensure that you have supply into the Midwest. I can take you back to late the last decade, where that pipeline was a major supply source in the Midwest refineries. In the event that you were to consider that, you would need to ensure that you have a large pipeline that can still move that type of supply, maybe not 1 million barrels per day, but still move a significant amount of supply South to North if needed. The Canadian production cannot handle everything into the Midwest. So there are many dynamics that go in, Chi, into making or performing that analysis in term of what would be the best way to look at those assets.

Chi Cho

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Right. And it seems like you do want to keep that optionality open from the Gulf Coast, is what you're saying.

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

You absolutely need that optionality.

Chi Cho

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Right. Right. Okay. One final follow-up, I guess, Don, on a couple of details. On the share repurchase program, it's not clear, are you done with the $850 million buyback in the first quarter or is that still ongoing?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

We've spent the money, Chi, and that money has been paid to the bank, but the bank is still in the process of purchasing and completing the share repurchase. We received 17.6 million shares to date, and we would expect, given sort of where pricing is currently, that the total shares repurchased will be in the 20 million share range.

Chi Cho

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Okay. Do you have any guidance on what second quarter average share count would be then?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Well, I mean we have -- there's 340 million shares currently, Chi, and if we would receive the other shares, I mean only a couple million more shares, so I would say 340 million is probably the number I would start with.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Doug Leggate from Bank of America.

Jason Smith

Analyst · Bank of America

It's actually Jason Smith on for Doug. I just had a follow-up on Detroit. Even though the conversion is underway, how do regional discounts we're seeing impact your optimal crude slate? Is it still optimal to run WCS or is it going to be optimal to potentially run light sweet crudes instead?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Bank of America

Good question, Jason. I think when you look at the spreads that we have been seeing in the market for the first quarter, it would still suggest that you want to run a very heavy slate. But the fact is that what we'll do, like we do at all the rest of our refineries, is we will look at the crude oil differentials that exist in the market at any given time, and we will optimize the crude slate such that we will have the highest profitability slate that we can. We still very much believe that it's going to be a heavy slate, but there are times when we may not run all the heavy that we talked about, it'll depend upon the market. The object is to make money not to run heavy crude.

Jason Smith

Analyst · Bank of America

And just can we get an updated view on a consolidation given the cash and the balance sheet, both on the refining and the retail side?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Bank of America

I'm not sure I understand the question, Jason.

Jason Smith

Analyst · Bank of America

Sorry, with the cash on the balance sheet and just given that we know that there's some assets on the market right now. Just your views on -- the kind of bid asked on consolidation?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Bank of America

Oh, okay. Sorry, Jason. We continuously look at all assets that are available and as recognized with our acquisition last year of Gas City and the acquisition soon on GasAmerica. So we continue to look at basically everything that is available and what opportunities are there, but I can't go into any more detail at this time.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Faisel Khan from Citi.

Faisel Khan

Analyst · Citi

In your prepared remarks, I think you talked about how you switched all your foreign waterborne crudes over to Brent-based pricing. For the first quarter, how much of your crude was -- your foreign-borne waterborne crude was priced off of WTI?

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Citi

This is Garry Peiffer. For the first quarter, most of it was based on WTI derivatives, pricing, so essentially all of it in the first quarter, and as Gary mentioned, we're just switching in the second quarter. And if you look at most of April, there hasn't been much of a difference through the first 20 days or so, so fairly minor impact so far as we move to the second quarter.

Faisel Khan

Analyst · Citi

Okay. Understood. And given the plunging price of ethanol versus gasoline, were there any benefits of blending ethanol into your gasoline pool?

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Citi

This is Garry again. We're basically at E10 everywhere at the moment, so we're watching the developments on the expansion. But at this time, we have no plans to go beyond E10 in our blending.

Faisel Khan

Analyst · Citi

Okay. Great. And then just looking at your export volume growth year-over-year, where would you say you had the most growth, which region of the world did you see the most growth year-over-year?

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Citi

I don't know. I would say, just off the top here without getting into the details, Faisel, that I think it's pretty balanced. If you look at Europe and compare that to South America, Latin America is probably fairly balanced. Gary, just add to...

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Citi

No, and that's right. We don't have a lot of good details on some of the sales and slide as it is that we sell it domestically and is exported. So we're not really sure exactly where it was, the barrels are actually ending up, anyhow.

Faisel Khan

Analyst · Citi

Okay. Got you. And then last question for me, the acquisition price for the GasAmerica stores?

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Citi

We have not made that public.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Rakesh Advani from Credit Suisse.

Rakesh Advani

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Just first, I wanted to kind get your view of the Motiva start up on margins and the light/heavy spreads I guess in the short-term and long-term?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Well, my understanding, Rakesh, from what I've read and studied is that as they start up, they will be taking the base plant down for turnarounds. So I think it's going to be sometime probably through the -- into the third quarter before they get the entire system up and running. And then it all depends -- and of course we do not know the information of how they're going to supply their crude or it's going to be heavy crude, medium, light, we don't know the type of slate. So therefore, how that would affect the differentials and then as they come up, how that will change the product prices, I just think is too far out, probably until late second, early third quarter before we would see the effects.

Rakesh Advani

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Okay. So I mean I guess if you thought that they were bringing on coking capacity with the implication that you're bringing or taking on heavy crude, then wouldn't that ...

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Well, certainly if coking capacity could also mean that you're running a part of a medium slate. It just -- but I would assume you're right, that it will be a heavier crude.

Rakesh Advani

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Okay. Just wondering if possible, for the first quarter results in the refining segment, is it possible to get the non-FERC EBITDA contribution from logistics that's in refining?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Credit Suisse

We don't break it out. No, not at this time.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Cory Garcia from Raymond James.

Cory Garcia

Analyst · Raymond James

Just one quick one out of me now that we're through I guess, the seasonal low point in Asphalt demand, do you guys have any color into sort of how that market is shaping up as we move into summer? And also just sort of refresh me on how your Asphalt sells, is it predominantly wholesale versus what we considered more of a I guess assured sales or sort of contracted volumes?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Raymond James

Well, I like your optimism that we're at our low point in Asphalt demand. It's still going to be a struggle for Asphalt this year. As you see the relative price of Asphalt in the $500 plus per ton, it's going to be a challenge for state governments and cities to be able to pay as much as they have in many years past. So let's say I'd like to share your optimism. We've hit the low point and Garry may have a little more detail.

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Raymond James

Yes, I think the only thing to add is that as you probably now, both the House and the Senate recently passed a 90-day extension. So these 90-day extensions have really put a bit of a -- cast a lot of uncertainty over what funding is going to be there. So I think you know as Gary suggested, until we get a little more certainty as to what type of federal funding is going to be out there -- and federal state funding accounts about 80% of the total funding for Asphalt. So it's really until we get some resolution at the federal level as to what kind of funding we're going to have, we're just kind of -- it's a bit of a -- it's overshadowing everything else going on that market. So it's still a bit uncertain even considering the federal funding status.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Paul Cheng from Barclays.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Gary, I joined late so I missed your opening remarks, you may have already commented it. So if you do, I apologize. But for the month of April, do you have some same-store sales for gasoline that you can share with us?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

Right. For April, month-to-date we're up a little bit over 3.5%. I think it's about 3.7% month-to-date so a very strong turnaround in April versus the first quarter. And the other thing is, when you go back and compare some of the volume first quarter versus last year, and even most of the individual months, we had some pretty strong months in the first quarter last year. So when you look at things on a same-store basis, sometimes you're comparing up yourself against very strong months last year. So as I said in my prepared remarks, that we expect to be after April, about flat year-to-date on gasoline demand with a very strong pickup here in April.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

And Gary, does it make any difference in terms of that year-over-year comparison between your Midwest system and your Southeast system?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

Well, when we look at same-store, we're only in the Midwest.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

I thought you had some down in the Southeast?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

No, we do not any longer, Paul. We sold those back in '07, '08 timeframe.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Okay. I see. All right. Wondering, if we're looking at other new shale oil development, a lot of them is actually NGL and also condensate, back on that [ph] should be relatively smaller than people thought. And 2 question in here, Gary, do you guys really can run much of a condensate even in your light sweet crude refinery? And secondly, that if not I could assume, then that will probably going to be long in condensate, do you look at condensate splinter even though that may not be a traditional investment that you guys will make if then an opportunity there?

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Barclays

Well, this is Garry Peiffer. We've been looking at that very closely, and you're right. We think that we can run between Canton and Catlettsburg maybe 20,000 to 30,000 barrels a day of condensate type crude, 20,000 or 30,000 barrels a day between the 2 facilities. But we're also looking at other opportunities around the system to run more condensate and I guess our opinion is that based upon the production forecast for condensate, we think for the foreseeable future, we could have an appetite to use up a lot of what's going to be available for quite a few years in that area. So we're looking at investments to do some of that but we think we have the facilities and we definitely are located in the right spot to be able to run it.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

So Garry, you will be able to run it, so you don't really need to build a condensate splinter to take advantage of the potential excess supplies in the market for condensate?

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Barclays

We're looking at alternatives, utilization of existing equipment, new equipment in our facilities and this is both at Canton, Catlettsburg and potentially, Robinson, as ways to use some of the condensate should it become available in the quantities being projected.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

How about down in the Gulf Coast? I mean Eagle Ford does produce quite enough condensate and look like Permian Basin, the increase is going to be NGL and condensate also. Any opportunity there?

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Barclays

I think there's a lot of other outlets down there. That's kind of the -- a lot of opportunities for using those types of liquids in the Gulf Coast that we aren't really exploring those for the Texas City or Garyville. So we're strictly focusing on the Midwest, the Utica at the moment.

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

And Paul, what happens at in the Gulf Coast, first of all, there are more condensate splinters but also the condensate seems to get blended into different systems which cost us just much more infrastructure. And Garry's point are right, and I should have included Utica back in the question that Chi Chow had for me on how we looked at the different crudes, I should have included Utica as well. Because as this production ramps up, and we're -- this production is at the far -- the furthest Eastern part of PADD II, it is -- we don't have any pipelines that run East to West over in PADD II. So this really gives us a great opportunity to be able to run this at those refineries and once we get it on the water, we can take it many places. So to Garry's point, instead of possibly heavying up capital investment, maybe we can use our transportation assets to move it into markets.

Paul Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Sure. And a final one, Gary, can you tell us that whether you have go union to the data room of BP Texas City?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Barclays

We, Paul, we don't really comment on what we're looking at or not looking at, so we can't comment.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Evan Calio from Morgan Stanley.

Evan Calio

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I joined a little late here, sorry, but maybe at risk of getting the last response. Congrats on the strategic update on midstream alternatives. I just had a question. In addition to exploring an IPO, would management consider acquiring an existing publicly traded MLP or GP vehicle assuming the right opportunity presented itself?

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

This is Garry Peiffer and really, it's kind of the same answer is, we look at a lot of things as ways to enhance the value of our core assets and we really can't comment on what we're doing, but we're looking at a lot of different alternatives all the time.

Evan Calio

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Perfect. On a, maybe with a faster moving midstream peers in the Utica and in big private acquisition, I mean clearly and a key positioning for MPC. I mean could we see incremental CapEx or investment alternatives in midstream infrastructure in the Utica, at least kind of given the last CapEx guidance in November?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Right, and Evan, and thank you very much for the compliments on our quarter. But as we stated before, we're executing on a permanent to truck rack to Canton. We're looking at a trucking-to-barge operation and those are already in our plans that we've discussed before. If the production grows, like we certainly expect and the producers that we're working with, we have a main trunk line that runs West to East into the Canton area and therefore, we will have a great ability to run a gathering system if that production grows into that main trunk line. So we have many opportunities and I believe we're going to be able to move as fast and as quick and have the flexibility going forward as anyone else.

Evan Calio

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

That's great. Just another question, I know I believe there've been some questions on Capline and I understand it wouldn't make as much sense given the kind of limited number of potentially interested volumes moving looking to move south from the north and a little likely of a tri CAPP reversal. But I mean what are your rights to control any potential reversal? Have there been any discussions there with partners or how are you thinking about that obviously, kind of longer-term? And I apologize if some of that had been answered.

Garry Peiffer

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes. This is Garry Peiffer again. As you probably know, this is an undivided interest in this pipeline so there's 3 owners and we're all competing with one another to set tariffs in the ship volumes. So we have to be a little bit careful of how we talk about the pipeline. So the bottom line is, we're just 1 of 3 and we have to evaluate this on our interest but we don't control the overall investment in that line.

Evan Calio

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Got it. Just last small question for me, is can you give me a color on the pretax income that comes from the acquired GasAmerica stores, and I'll leave it at that?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

We have not given that level of detail nor we closed the transaction yet.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Chi Chow from Macquarie Capital.

Chi Cho

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Don, real quick, what's the remaining CapEx on DHOUP and also, have you given any guidance on 2013 CapEx?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

We've not given guidance on 2013 CapEx. Remaining CapEx on DHOUP was $370 million for the year.

Chi Cho

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

As of the end of first quarter?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

No, I don't know that number from the end of the first quarter.

Chi Cho

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Okay $370 million at the beginning?

Donald Templin

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

$370 million was the full year. That was included in our full year refining CapEx budget, Chi.

Operator

Operator

Today's final question comes from Rakesh Advani from Credit Suisse.

Rakesh Advani

Analyst · Credit Suisse

I just had a quick last question, when you were mentioning about retail expansions, would you be looking to move back into like the Southeast or in a big way, would that be interested to you or?

Gary Heminger

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Yes, Rakesh. We have stated before we're very interested in continuing to grow both sides of our retail. And I want to make sure when Paul Cheng was asking me about retail, we have the Marathon brand in the Southeast but we don't look at same-store sales in Marathon brand because we don't have the individual store volumes. But we have Speedway just in the Midwest in the Southern state area. But certainly, if we can find the quality and the size of opportunities, we would move -- we would consider that into the Southeast for Speedway and we're continuing, we had an outstanding year last year on the Marathon brand side and growing our business in the Southeast as well, so we're trying to grow both sides of our retail business.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. Please go ahead with any final remarks.

Pamela Beall

Analyst

Thank you, Christine. Thanks to everyone for joining us today and for your interest in Marathon Petroleum. Should you have any additional questions this afternoon, the IR team will be in the office. Give us a call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for participating in the Marathon Petroleum Corporation's First Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. This concludes the conference for today. You may all disconnect at this time.