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MakeMyTrip Limited (MMYT)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, May 19, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Q4 Full Fiscal Year 2017 MakeMyTrip Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would like to introduce your host for today's conference Mr. Jonathan Huang of Investor Relations. Sir, please begin.

Jonathan Huang

Analyst

Thank you and welcome to MakeMyTrip fiscal 2017 fourth quarter and full year earnings call. We wish to remind everyone that certain statements made on call today are considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and by their nature are subject to inherent uncertainties. The discussion of the Company’s fiscal 2017 fourth quarter and full year financial and operating results during this call only reflects the acquisition of the ibibo Group results for the two months period beginning February 1, 2017. Actual results may differ materially. Any forward-looking information relayed on this call speaks only as of this date and the Company undertakes no obligation to update the information to reflect changed circumstances. Additional information concerning these statements is contained in the Risk Factors and Forward-Looking Statement sections of the Company's Annual Report on Form 20-F filed with the SEC on June 14, 2016, another filing made since June 14, 2016 including those made in connects with the Company's acquisition of the ibibo Group. Copies of these filings are available from the SEC or from the Company's Investor Relations department. On today's call are Deep Kalra, our Founder, Chairman and Group CEO of MakeMyTrip; Rajesh Magow, Co-Founder & CEO, India; and Mohit Kabra, our Groups CFO. We also have Ashish Kashyap, our Co-Founder and President and Founder of the ibibo Group on hand to take any questions following prepared remarks today. And with that, I would like to turn the call over to Deep to kick off today's discussions.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Thanks John and welcome everyone to our fiscal 2017 fourth quarter and full year earnings call. I would like to start by highlighting our key accomplishments for the past year. As we entered fiscal 2017, the MakeMyTrip team was sharply focused on driving online buying behavior in the hotels market in India. We stayed focused on our strategy of wining customers by delivering a wide range of selection, product innovations and a superior user experience at every touch point. We strategically leveraged our mobile platform to attract new customers by various marketing and promotional initiatives. Our comprehensive approach to the nascent, but rapidly expanding online hotels market as yielded significant market share gains for MakeMyTrip, during the year, we’ve also initiated a foray into the alternative accommodations of home stay segment as we believe this would be an important stay consideration in the future. During the back half of the fiscal year, we also successfully completed the merger transaction of MakeMyTrip and ibibo, both of which have been leading brands in the Indian travel market. Our combined group with highly popular brands like MakeMyTrip, goibibo and redBus has over 63 million monthly shopper visits of which 75% are coming via our top ranked mobile apps and web. Our combined scale and reach positions are well to gain an increasing share of India's large and growing travel market, which excluding rail tickets and cars as expected to exceed an estimated $67 billion in bookings value by 2021. Our reach can potential span across all customer segments including consumers who prefer luxury hotels, to travelers who prefer a budget or home stay experience. It can also span across metros to the interiors of India with different buying preferences including buying over vernacular platforms. While it's only been a few months since we…

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Thanks, Deep, and hello everyone. As Deep just mentioned, we had a fairly busy and successful year and as we enter into a new fiscal, we're excited to leverage the strengths of our three brands, and strong balance sheet to take the Company to greater heights. As a result of this merger, we've a strong competitive positioning in the online domestic air, hotel, and bus segments and our platform provides us the ability to achieve sustainable high growth rates going forward. We also see headroom for further growth in the under penetrated online segments like domestic and international hotels, alternative accommodations, international flights and intercity bus segments. While the domestic air market is already a well penetrated online segment, we believe this market should also keep expanding as new government initiatives on improving airport infrastructure and regional connectivity known as UDAN gets implemented. As more of India moves online via mobile, our mobile platform will remain a key driver of deeper online penetration in Tier 3 and 4 cities. We will therefore continue to make the mobile experience more personalized, highly relevant and ultimately an indispensible part of customer search, shopping and travel support process. During the quarter for the combined brands, mobile bookings reached nearly 77% for standalone hotel transactions booked online, 57% for domestic flights booked online and nearly 50% for intercity bus transactions. At the same time, the total cumulative apps downloaded to date is now over 71 million, across the three brands, with more than 11 million monthly average active mobile app users by the end of Q4. On the supply side, I'm happy to share that our customers have access to more than 40,000 domestic hotel properties and 240,000 hotels outside of India. Furthermore, our alternative accommodation platform continues to offer the market more choices…

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Thank you, Rajesh, and hello everyone. Before we begin, I would like to just remind everyone that all the numbers discussed today in Q2 months of ibibo financials consolidated within out reported results. For the fiscal fourth quarter, MakeMyTrip delivered net revenues of $85.1 million, which represents a constant currency year-over-year growth of 64.5%, the resulting full year net revenue stands at $273.7 million which is growth of 65.4% year-over-year in constant currency terms. Our hotels consecutive business in Q4 recorded nearly $44 million in net revenue, which was an increase of over 57% year-on-year in constant-currency terms. For the full fiscal year, the revenue less service cost in this segment reached $140.3 million, a 65.5% year-on-year growth in constant currency terms, helping to drive this performance is the high growth of 95.4% during Q4 and 164.7% for the full year in India's online standalone hotel transactions, which was a result of our high growth and high decibel marketing and sales promotional strategies aided with the consolidation of the ibibo Group in Q4. I'm glad to share that the share of hotels and packages in the overall revenue for the quarter stands at 51.6% and 51.3% for the full fiscal year. This is in line with our longer term strategy of taking the non-air mix to over 70% in the next few years. During Q4, with the consolidation of the ibibo Group, we've also seen an improvement in overall mix of standalone hotels within our hotels and packages segment, which has also resulted in year-on-year improvement in net revenue margins for this segment. Fiscal 2017, overall has see us gain significantly on margins from our hotel suppliers to performance-linked incentive as we were also helping them drive higher occupancy rates with our high decibel marketing and sales promotional campaigns. I'd…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Sachin Salgaonkar of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Sachin Salgaonkar

Analyst

I do have three questions. Firstly, Mohit, if you could help us understand any one-offs in this result that would be help us?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Yes, actually, no real one-offs in this quarter, you would recollect there was a one-off on air in the previous quarter, but nothing as such to call out in this particular quarter.

Sachin Salgaonkar

Analyst

Okay, got it. Because I did see some M&A related expense of 4.1 million and I think there was some impairment of intangibles of 15 million. So just wanted to check what that impact?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

On account of the ibibo merger clearly there is the transaction such as accounting that has happened and therefore there is a goodwill of intangible assets created on the books and also there are certain intangibles which are kind of in return-off during the quarter. The write-offs on intangibles is largely towards acquired businesses of hotel travel and easy to book as we've been calling out Sachin over the last year also. The focus is increasingly towards growing the domestic market or facing to the domestic customer whether travelling in India or abroad. And now it's really focused on customers travelling from anywhere in the world to anywhere. So with that focus in mind and particularly now strengthen with the deep merger and incremental brands that we have that play in the domestic market with kind of reducing our focus on the international businesses.

Sachin Salgaonkar

Analyst

Okay, that's clear. And my second question is, wanted to know a little bit more on your thought process on the recent private placement. Quite frankly I was a bit surprised because I thought you guys are well positioned from a cash perspective, so any thoughts on that direction and the intentions of proceeds that cash could be helpful?

Deep Kalra

Analyst

So, yes, Sachin, I think it's fair to say the balance was -- bank balance was quite healthy at that point of time, but I think at the same point if you just take a look at the environment, it's also quite clear that things will stay a little choppy before they will before more predictable, and we did think it wise to raise dual pipe deal to fund both organic needs as well as have the wherewithal to look at M&A opportunities that would come up. There are a lot of interesting young companies in this sector and in allied sectors to dual travel, which we've been looking at. So that was definitely playing on our mind, but we didn’t want to be in a situation where we were going full throttle in opening up the hotel market, which is taking up investments as you can see and we will continue to do, so actually probably for the next year or two which is again quite clear and therefore we wanted to have the necessary five power to keep going full throttle and not really be a position where we need to kind of look at raising or not be able to do something which is right for the business. So, classic case of shoring up the balance sheet at the right time and therefore we thought that something we should do.

Sachin Salgaonkar

Analyst

Got it and my last question again to Mohit, as you know when I look at your take rates at hotels, I think they are improved from 19.4 to 20.5, and again I thought that the ibibo take rate was little bit a lower than MakeMyTrip. So, with the combination or a combined entity, I thought the take rate remains down a bit. So, again wanted to understand what really happened and why did you make that?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Yes, sure, Sachin. Actually, two things over there, one the ibibo take rates known kind of unlikely to be on the lower end because actually if you look at it from a mix point of view, we generally have a higher mix of the budget segment under the ibibo brand and the budget segment as we always been calling out has better margins to offer to the intermediary like us. So clearly that’s not the case, secondly the other reason for the increase in the take rate overall for the segment is also the fact that ibibo doesn’t really have a packages business and therefore the entire edition is on the hotel site and therefore with an increasing mix of hotels in this entire segment, that’s helping to grow the overall take rate.

Sachin Salgaonkar

Analyst

Okay, so does that mean Mohit that the take rate may continue to interrupt because going forward again the same thing is going to happen, which is you know the contribution of standalone hotels is going to increase a bit more?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Practically, the segment broadly kind of comprises effectively over 90% in terms of transactions of hotels and therefore not very sure whether it's going to continue to make a significant difference in the coming years, but clearly in the shorter term, as we kind of keep ramping up on the budget segment, there is an opportunity, but we're also kind of remaining focused on the fact that we don’t want to become an expensive channel for the partners. So therefore we will keep calibrating it, right now we're clearly able to provide a lot of improvement in the occupancy rates to the partners, so it's clearly working and it’s a win-win situation, so we will keep a tight look on this and keep balancing it with overall occupancy rates and the ability of the partners in terms of what they can share and also kind of linked to our ability to high marketing and promotional campaigns.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Gaurav Malhotra of Citigroup. Your line is open.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

Just two-three questions from my side, first of all on the number of transactions if I look at the hotels and packages segment together. We see that on a Y-o-Y basis grown by almost 78%, 79% which is roughly similar to the third quarter, but the fourth quarter includes two months of ibibo, so just wanted to get a sense of why -- shouldn't the growth have been pumped up because of ibibo? That's the first question please.

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Yes, so, two things over there and you would kind of also -- just two things to keep in mind over there. One, seasonally a weaker quarter compared to Q3, which is clearly a high travel season quarter and therefore a ramp up there it sees both in terms of hotel bookings and packages as well. And the other fact that, if you would recollect in the previous year, we had clearly ramped up on growth in the last two quarters of the year and more so in the last exit quarter, so some amount of lapping effect over there as well and kind of largely getting offset with the consolidation of the ibibo result for the last two months.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

If -- and can you just try and break it up as to -- in the hotel business on the net revenue out of the $45 million, how much would be the two months of ibibo and MakeMyTrip's standalone?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

So, Gaurav, as it kind of called out, we clearly want to continue operating through a bouquet of brands and a lot of these caused in terms of the split of revenues or transactions, and how do we kind of operate across the various segments of the market, would largely be kind of at times practical keeping in line with what's kind of prevailing in the market, and also from a longer term strategy point of view, we would be cross leveraging this brand and trying to cross-sell to the customer base that either brands have. So, keeping that in mind we don't really feel the need for kind of splitting out revenues across brands.

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Maybe some of maybe I can just add Gaurav just to -- just for the benefit of perhaps as even on the call as well. So, the way we've called that out that that we from a consumer point of view, we're keeping two brands independent. But at the back end, as we have already rolled out unified supply stride or supply team or team that is going out in the market, just kind of representing both the brands at the back end and the supply side, and there're a bunch of other areas that we would be synergizing between the brands whether it is traffic acquisition, looking at collaborating well at the back end to see where the opportunities are in terms of just source of traffics and the -- between different platforms, whether it is mobile app, mobile web or desktop for that matter, and leveraging the different strengths between the two brands that we have, it actually doesn't really make any sense and internally that's the way we're kind of looking at it, so it could effectively be seeing one opportunity on our -- on a particular platform and then pushing the envelope on that, and then maybe a different kind of an opportunity on another platform and pushing the envelope on that, so therefore -- and we've been actually already doing that, since the time that we kind of closed the merger transaction. So, therefore it doesn't actually makes sense to -- from our point of view because that's not the way we are looking at it anymore.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

Okay. On the second question, any guidance on the top line growth like you used to give it previously?

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Okay, so maybe I can just give some color on that and then and Mohit can chime me, as, Mohit actually was trying to articulate that in part of his script. As we get into the merged combined entity scenario, this is our first quarter with two months with ibibo results same, so we kind of as we have said that we are in a very good position just from a market leadership standpoint on various segments, and we've also have very clearly articulated where the growth opportunities are and we've also very clearly said that, we would continue to ride the momentum of the growths that we have in the underpenetrated segments, just to shift that is happening from offline to online, and we will continue to keep driving that. So I guess from our point of view just from macro perspective, we continue to be very optimistic about the overall continues growth that will continue from not only in the travel market but also on the online penetration side led by mobile pan creation even further to Tier 3 Tier 4 cities. So we decided it probably makes sense to just give directional guidance on the overall market growth as well as qualitative guidance from our point of view calling out the segments that there we would be expecting the growth to continue. We didn’t want to confine ourselves given that there is robust growth, the environment overall is pretty good and our position is pretty strong both the merger as well. We didn’t want to confine ourselves to define any kind of a number or a range for that matter. And that's the approach that we decided to take that probably makes sense for us, and goes it out same that as we along we will continue to kind of keep evaluating it. But for now, we thought it was actually best for us to not necessarily come out with any kind of a definitive range and stuff like that.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

Okay, just two quick questions from my side. One is on the employee cost that has more than doubled quarter-on-quarter. So, that I'm presuming is essentially the -- and that includes only two months of ibibo merger. So, is there a largely different employee cost structure between MakeMyTrip and ibibo?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

No, Gaurva, I'll take that. And I should have called that as I said with respect to the merger related kind of accounting, there is a certain one-off that is kind of sitting out there particularly in the employee share-based compensation cost. Basically, there is close to about $9 million of one-off which has been charged out in the current quarter, and this likely coming in from what the liability would have been computed basis the prevailing stock price as on date of announcement compared to the date of -- compared to the price, which was prevailing on the data closing because the entire transaction accounting kind of happens on the closing date. So, there is close to $9 million one-time expense sitting out over there.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

So, this is essentially the e-source of ibibo converting to MakeMyTrip, is that what it is?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Absolutely, absolutely.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

Okay. Just last question while think obviously pretty good, but there as we've seen there are at least some, I won’t call it immediate threats, but it seems to be in the market for fund raising, you've seen that Paytm has raised quite substantial amount of some and it seems to be quite failure basis on the bus ticketing and the air ticketing side. So just wanted to get a sense on how you perceive both these competitive threats or any other threats which may come on the horizon because Paytm, it specially seems to be well funded right now? Thank you.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

I know it’s a fair question and I think it's pretty clear that the OTA segment per se very attractive for, not only the international players, the large MNCs who are also in the market and definitely getting more interested as the hotel markets opens up or the overall market in general opens up, but also new models and new players here I think are clearly quite interested in the sector and everyone is switching their hat in. We do believe some of this part does help in expanding the market. PayTM as you seen has been playing a rather aggressive strategy on cash back, playing to their strengths on wallet and that definitely expands market, but also attracts a different segment of the market typically. This is the bargain hunter. This is a very price sensitive customer, which is probably one of the way's the market starts expanding at the bottom end. And we definitely track that we're watching that and we're also finding the sensitivity, that market and that segment has to discounts and the withdrawal of discounts, so that analysis is quite interesting and educative for us and we're tracking that all the time. OYO is somewhat I guess in a space which is not directly competitive, they are still seem to be more on the supply site, building out a low touch chain of branded hotels, again in a low touch manner, there is a change in model out there. So, again as something we're watching as you know they used to be offered on our platforms, in fact both goibibo and MakeMyTrip platforms are not since a while now. And there are other entrants too in that segment where we have found even these entrants on the newer chains as we call them is actually…

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Also, Gaurav just wanted to add, at least from our experience over the last few years, incremental additional spends coming in from various market participants only kind of helped to open up the market and take it online even faster, which always has a positive implication or an impact on the market leader. And even now with the bouquet of brands behind us our leverage overall industry spends is like higher than never before, so I guess the Company kind of works additionally in our favor as there's more market participation.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Lloyd Wamsley of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Lloyd Wamsley

Analyst

Couple, first one, can you kind of give us an update on how the integration is going broadly with goibibo? You talked about some of the product cross-pollination, but what have been the biggest surprises so far as you start on the integration path?

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Sure, Lloyd. Hi, this is Deep and I'd like to answer that. So, I think most of the work that we've planned out and we've kind of splitted out into immediate our quick win kind of targets and something for the mid-term and then eventually the long-term. I think the quick win and I'd like to give the correct timeframe, it's really 1st February onwards, we got our approval from the Competition Commissioner of India on 17th of Jan really started working together on the 1st of February, so in these last few months what we had put out as quick ones on cross-pollinating, quick integration some of them which I called out for example international hotel supply, which MakeMyTrip at build out is now doing very well on the goibibo deck, and similarly redBus entire bus supply is doing very well for MakeMyTrip as well. We've also done work on the payments as common service and that is actually some of the integration already done and yielding good results but a lot planned on that site. I had also touched upon the rich data that is now available to us from the different brands and what we're watching out is what consumers are doing on one brand when they exit the brand and if they go to the other brand and whether they transact there or they leave there I think that's leading us to some fascinating learning's which are applying back as we do new product innovation and tweaks to what we've got. So, I think most of these have actually been very positive for us, a lot of it has reinforced the value of and the import of the merger and how it can play out. I think if there were to be some surprised, I would like to call out that some of the stuff that's take longer than expected, so maybe a little bit more time to be budgeted, particularly in the deck innovations, these are harder as you know, platforms are obviously different and these things tend to go on for quite long. So, we've kind of set ourselves more realistic targets, we've tweaked some of them; where we're going to integrate like on the supply platform clearly there's work underway and very soon we'll have a common way, a common supply platform that our hotel partners can access. On peoples side too I think the integration is going quite well, but again no merger is easy or a bed of roses, it has its shares of ups and downs and I think we are taking some of them as they come in and we have been quite realistic about the expectations specially when a same model, same business model to same business model, I think there is bound to be some amount of duplicacy et cetera, and we are aware of that and we are very kind of budgeting that going forward.

Lloyd Wamsley

Analyst

And another one if I can. If I look at for example marketing as a percent of gross bookings it's continuing to grow on a year-over-year basis, slowing the growth. How should we think about that trend that over this fiscal year and in the next few years and any update on how you kind of see the past back to operating profitability over the next few years?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

I'll take that, Mohit here. If we would have seen through the year we did kind of demonstrated as we can kind of it can build efficiencies on the marketing spends and we kind of keep doing it tactically and depending upon how the quarter is. So, if you really look at it compared to in the earlier quarter. Q3 which was a seasonally high travel quarter for us, we had kind of baked in much stronger efficiencies on the marketing and sales promotion expenses and it was kind of down to closer about 8% of overall 8 percentage points on gross booking. It's kind of again gone-up closer to 11.5% to 12% in the current reported fiscal and then again this is also up because of multiple things. One, we clearly have now multiple brands that they are investing behind and trying to promote and significantly by driving cross sale as well. So, we do believe at least in the initial stages as we kind of get into building cross sales as using opportunities across the brand, there is going to be incrementality that would come in, in terms of promotional expense. Secondly, the market also has kind of off-laid to target things on more competitive aggression coming in from some of the other market players. So that's been another factor. I think as we did into this is really high quarter in April, May, June we will again try and see if we can build in some synergy or efficiencies on these expenses. But overall I think the focus clearly at least in the next year to two remains in terms of in favor of growth versus trying to cut down significantly on the promotional spend, so that the growth in or the significant run on market share gains continues to be robust. We have also kind of from a slightly longer term planning point of view have been calling out that going out, and we do believe this whole promotional expense and kind of its start tapering down over a 3 to 4 year period. So, I think going down in the next maybe 8 to 12 quarters we do believe we should be in a position to kind of bringing these expense down significantly from where they are currently and if you kind of gradually look at aiming towards a breakeven over the next few years.

Lloyd Wamsley

Analyst

And I guess last one if I can just on the M&A front with all the new capital you've raised. How should we think about what you would be looking most closely at? Is it consolidation in core markets? Is it expanding product? Is it geographic focus where what can you share on your M&A philosophy as it stands today?

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Lloyd, I think we can just talk about it at a high level and philosophically the way we look at it. Then we would be looking for interesting product and take place in the travel space, which can give us feed to market, it's tough we obviously don’t have or will take pretty long to build, so I think that’s something which we're keenly looking out as you are aware we've have tech innovation fund for travel, which we've had made a few investments, we've seen them, some of them are actually growing quite well. But there are very interesting model that are coming up now powered by some of the new technologies available. For example AI was just talked about and now is been used and people are doing some keen innovative stuff, which can in some sort of way be bolted on, so we're looking at that more keenly. We would I guess probably similar model is not really where it would be a quick fit. I mentioned about on the hotel side, I think some of the way people are expanding on the hotel side through low touch but smarter way to grow that could be interesting for us as well. So I guess within these spaces we will keep looking and anything so it's we're open to see stuff which can help us accelerate growth effectively and typically in the hotel market. So I think we definitely will have a bias on the accommodation side out there. As you know in aviation on the air side, we have a really strong position and large market share in the domestic air, and there it’s a question of really growing organically and improving the operational efficiencies there as well as customer service. On the international air side, I think we know what to do and we have been now been training out there, so you will see strong results come organically. But on accommodations both, which can help us penetrate for their into the domestic market and also I think the near international market other short hall international market where Indians tend to travel a lot and that growth has been actually quite base, I think there are also areas where we will look how we kind get a more sticky customer base provide a better experience for our customer so and these are the broad areas.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Kevin Kopelman of Cowen & Co. Your line is open.

Kevin Kopelman

Analyst

Sorry, I missed it, but could you give us growth in revenues, less service cost in FQ4 on a pro forma basis for their combined company? And then as a follow-up after that, thanks.

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Kevin, we still do not have the pro forma financials, as I've called out these are consolidated financials for the last two months but haven’t kind of really been able to put our per forma financials but except for putting our historical financials of ibibo as of 31st March 2016 with our funding numbers of 31st March 2015. But going forward, hopefully in the next couple of months, we should be coming out with additional historical financials or the ibibo Group as well as pro forma our financials shortly.

Kevin Kopelman

Analyst

Okay that’s great thanks for that. And then I guess just a follow-up, I know you're giving guidance and I understand completely. Can you give us any color just what you've seen so far in the June quarter? Just any additional color especially now that you started kind of pretty some of your integration work in place and I know it's early? Thanks a lot.

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Yes, I know, we would appreciate, difficult for us to kind of share any color on the current ongoing quarter. I did try and kind of try and cover how overall the market growth is looking like and how the overall macros are looking like. Overall, business sentiment also seems to be good. But as you know for us -- in our business considering there's kind of seasonality involved for this kind of good to look at, at least three to four quarter stand, rather than look at one quarter in particular. So, we would want to kind of avoid making a comment on a quarter in particular.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Shaleen Kumar of UBS. Your line is open.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Just a couple of questions from my side, one on the hotel side, right. So, we know that we've 40,000 hotels on MakeMyTrip, but I would like to know how much -- how many hotels do we have in total, like ibibo plus MakeMyTrip, if we exclude the common hotels, so now what's the bouquet we have in total?

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

So, this is the number that we reported already actually the total number -- total number of 40,000, and this -- basically after doing the exercise of just common hotel, if you'd remember, MakeMyTrip had reported about 30,000 hotels in the past. So, you could -- our guest potentially see that they would be in the range of 8,000 to 10,000 hotels unique that we would have added post the merger. So, this is the combined number, 40,000.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Rajesh, so I just want to understand like are all these hotels online or like are they like integrating into our system or like part of them are kind of offline and -- so what is the proportion?

Ashish Kashyap

Analyst

Hi, this is Ashish here, I'll take this. So, these are active hotels, they're pretty much hooked up to our live system or rather the -- there's a system called ingo goibibo, and there's a system called MakeMyTrip Extranet, and new hotels are pretty much hooked up to that system and as a result these hotels also have an access to their performance just like -- think of it just like mini version of Google Analytics for hotels.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

So, are you guys planned to have a like one common system now, replacing the two systems? How's going to happen?

Ashish Kashyap

Analyst

Yes, we're working in that direction.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

So, should one conclude like given that the take rates are a bit driven by volume, would you able to get better margins from budget hotels or do you see -- or are you in talks with the budget hotels where you -- where both MakeMyTrip and ibibo have a strong inflows in terms of the customers, are you seeing any kind of that signs?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Shaleen, as we've been calling out our kind of overall philosophy is to be more in the 15% to 17% range on the hotel side in terms of margins, we've actually been kind of been able to get much ahead of our targeted margin percentages particularly in this business segment, and this, we've done largely on account of -- the significant amount of promotional campaigns that we're running for the various hotels and they are therefore kind of willingly participating in terms of incremental margins through performance incentive products. Slightly, longer term I mean clearly while in the shorter-term there is a potential to kind of slightly improve the margin rates or the take rates with more and more mix coming from the budget segment where the ability to share higher margins is better. But as I said philosophically we would want to kind of not really kind of try and kind of take the margins up, but keep it more tactical depending upon what our overall marketing and salesman was in new strategy is. Directionally, longer term, we would actually want to kind of go back to a range of about 15% to 17% over a 4 to 5 year period.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Got you, Mohit, but I know this point has already being discuss about the competition, but just want to understand from you about booking given that booking is also your strategic partner like how do you see it as a threat that because I was really somewhere that they already have more than 22,000 hotels now in India. So, do you see that as a threat somewhere?

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Yes, I think to put into the perspective we do use booking.com inventory internationally in some markets where we obviously have not done direct integration or direct supply because these are long tail for us so for long tail we are working with both booking.com as well as some other partners also large partners who can provide us the best inventory and best rates at that point of time. However, in India booking.com like you've rightfully pointed out is definitely looking at the market more faithfully and growing in this market, which is actually I think testimony to the fact that it is really attractive market and it is finely opened up on the hotel side as well till the few years of go as it was largely in a driven market. And so there is no strategic partnership with booking strategic investor is, here is Ctrip and with whom we work closely. But in this case, booking is -- when it comes to the domestic market, we are definitely competing.

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Also Shaleen just to add while our inventory, the 40,000 active hotels as Ashish was point out are largely direct contracted in hotels. A lot of the other global change would typically tend to kind of leverage inventory coming in from aggregators or channel managers, so there could be differences in terms of the nature of contracting that plays out in this case.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Got you, Mohit I'm not sure whether just want in case you answer this question because I like I think you've point out. So when there is a third party involved in between, can you provide a sense like what kind of market take rates were available for an OTA when this kind of thing happen?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

See, as I think we don’t really kind of take it through intermediaries and therefore it's slightly difficult for us to comment on that. But and then philosophically if you look at it this would typically be split more in favor of the one who has direct inventory access versus the one who is kind of leveraging it.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Just to add, if you have basically a platform which enables the hotels to get enabled then they are also able to participate in delivering promotions last minute deals offers etcetera which makes the platform more valuable.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Got you. Thanks guys. Just last one question like what will be the outstanding number of shares after closing this capital raise, fully diluted and right now?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

The fully diluted capital base you're asking Shaleen?

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Outstanding number of shares, yes, Mohit?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Yes, so, the outstanding number of share is…

Deep Kalra

Analyst

[Indiscernible] 96 million so we can put in June EPS and after that.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Hello, sorry I couldn’t hear that. Can you please repeat the number?

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Yes, so, for June quarter, we expect about 96 million shares that you can use for your EPS calculation.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Okay.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

But on a fully diluted basis since equity financing, the share count up about 107 million, it also includes all the stock and…

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Just keep in mind Shaleen, this is close to about 6.5 million which is in terms of some RSUs, which is not necessarily kind of you know out there as outstanding shares. So, therefore you know arriving at the outstanding share please make sure that you kind of making that adjustment.

Shaleen Kumar

Analyst

Got it, thanks Mohit that's what I needed actually Mohit. Thank you so much for that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time I see no other questions in queue. I’ll turn it back to management for closing remarks.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Thank you everyone for joining our earnings call today. We certainly look forward to speaking with all you very soon. Have a good evening.