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Marcus & Millichap, Inc. (MMI)

Q3 2022 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 4, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Marcus & Millichap Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Jacques Cornet. You may begin.

Jacques Cornet

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to Marcus & Millichap’s third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. With us today are President and Chief Executive Officer, Hessam Nadji; and Chief Financial Officer, Steve DeGennaro. Before I turn the call over to management, please remember that our prepared remarks and the responses to questions may contain forward-looking statements. Words such as may, will, expect, believe, estimate, anticipate, goal and variations of these words and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Actual results can differ materially from those implied by such forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors included, but not limited to, general economic conditions and commercial real estate market conditions; the company’s ability to retain and attract transaction professionals; the company’s ability to retain its business philosophy and partnership culture amid competitive pressures, company’s ability to integrate new agents and sustain its growth and other factors discussed in the company’s public filings, including its annual report on Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on March 1, 2022. Although the company believes the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, it can make no assurance that its expectations will be attained. The company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. In addition, certain financial information presented on this call represents non-GAAP financial measures. The company’s earnings release, which was issued this morning and is available on the company’s website, represents a reconciliation to the appropriate GAAP measures and explains why the company believes such non-GAAP measures are useful to investors. This conference is being webcast. The webcast link is available on the Investor Relations section of our website at www.marcusmillichap.com, along with the slide presentation you may reference during the prepared remarks. With that, it’s my pleasure to turn the call over to CEO, Hessam Nadji.

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

Thank you, Jacques. On behalf of the entire Marcus & Millichap team, good morning, and welcome to our third quarter 2022 earnings call. As everybody knows, the rapid pace of interest rate increases between March and September has led to a broad-based disruption in capital markets. This has become evident in the deceleration of transaction velocity due to the repricing of deals, widening of bid-ask spreads and significantly tighter underwriting by lenders. Our third quarter financial performance reflects the impact of these fast-changing market dynamics, while still pointing to the resilience and strong positioning that Marcus & Millichap has established over time. We generated third quarter revenue of $324 million compared to the prior year’s record of $328 million. Adjusted EBITDA came in at nearly $37 million, while net income, which was down 37% year-over-year totaled $21.4 million. The anticipated return of our baseline expenses that were still reduced in 2021 as well as long-term investments in talent acquisition, technology, marketing and business development led to the operating deleveraging we had messaged previously. Our EPS this quarter also includes a $0.03 per share adverse impact from currency translation related to our Canadian business, which Steve will elaborate on. The strength of the Marcus & Millichap platform, particularly at times of market dislocation is illustrated by the closing of over 3,000 transactions and $22.6 billion in volume in the quarter while outperforming the overall marketplace. Based on data from Real Capital Analytics, we estimate that total commercial real estate transactions in the U.S. declined by 24% year-over-year, and dollar volume declined by an estimated 15% in the quarter. By contrast, our brokerage transactions were off by just 8.6%, accompanied by a 9% increase in dollar volume. Our challenge is impeded revenue production due to macro factors. The rise in our dye…

Steve DeGennaro

Analyst

Thank you, Hessam. As noted, revenue for the third quarter was $324 million, a decrease of 2.6% as compared to last year’s record third quarter. Net income was $21 million, with earnings per share of $0.53, which included a $0.03 per share loss on unrealized currency exchange due to the stronger U.S. dollar against the Canadian dollar during the quarter. For the nine months ended 2022, total revenue was $1 billion, up 29.7% year-over-year. Net income was $96 million, up 19.7% year-over-year, and earnings per share was $2.39, up 19.5% year-over-year. Moving to segment details. Real estate brokerage revenue for the third quarter accounted for 90% of our total revenue or $293 million, a similar percentage to historical levels. This represents transaction volume of $18 billion across 2,246 deals, a year-over-year increase of 8.6% in volume and a decrease of 8.6% in transaction count. Our average deal size increased to $8 million, up from $6.7 million a year ago. On a year-to-date basis, brokerage revenue was up 30.6%. Within brokerage, our core Private Client business accounted for 56.5% of revenue for the quarter or $166 million, which was a 9.6% decrease compared to the third quarter of 2021 due to the slowdown in transaction activity. Our middle market and larger transaction segments together accounted for 41% of total brokerage revenue or $120 million, an increase of approximately 10% over prior year. Year-to-date, revenue from our Private Client business was up 20.1% on a 21% increase in volume. For the same year-to-date period, revenue from middle market and larger transactions combined was up 52.7% on an increase of 56.5% in volume. Shifting to our financing division, MMCC, revenue came in at $28 million in the third quarter, a decrease of 4.4% year-over-year. Fees from refinancing, which accounted for 49% of loan…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Blaine Heck with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Blaine Heck

Analyst

Great. Thank you. Good morning. Hessam, you touched on a lot of the questions I had, but maybe we can dig deeper in some of them. First off, can you talk more about any particular segments of the transaction market that you think could be more resilient than others in this type of market, whether that be by property type, deal size or even any markets that you think may be more active than others?

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

Sure. Good morning, Blaine. Let me address the market question first. We are seeing continued strength in the Sunbelts, Florida, Texas, in particular, come to mind where they’re still in migration and a pro-growth business-friendly environment, attracting companies. And that really does show up in the numbers, Atlanta is another market that comes to mind, the Carolinas, in migration, has helped there as well. And conversely, some of the urban markets that have been hit hard during the pandemic are also showing some impressive recovery. If you look at some of the job growth numbers over the past 12 months, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, as examples, are putting up some pretty impressive job recovery numbers. But fundamentally, the Sunbelt is benefiting from the demographic wave and the in-migration. From a product-type perspective, once the market settles and there’s price discovery, we still have a lot of confidence that multifamily will continue to attract a lot of capital as well single-tenant net lease, those are perfectly aligned with aging baby boomers. They have proven to be great cash flow investments over time. And there is a lot of demand for both of those from a fundamental perspective. Right now, we’re going through a period of price discovery and reacting to the shock of the rapid move in interest rates. Fundamentally, there’s nothing broken in the capital demand for those assets. Self-storage is another one. We continue to see strength there. And ironically, as the market has left retail for dead, and we took the position that the retail is anything but dead, and it’s just reinventing itself. Now you see that come to fruition with shopping centers trading at a higher velocity than a year ago, and our revenues were up in shopping center sales as were hotel sales because those are recovery plays, they have higher cap rates, and there is a reimagination of real estate, in particular, for retail, that’s occurring. So we expect all of that to continue. From a deal size perspective, of course, the Private Client business, as I mentioned in my comments, does have the personal drivers that we’re very familiar with after 51 years of specializing in value creation for them. And that always comes to play. Again, right now, the market is going through this period of grounding valuations, coming to terms with not just the higher interest rates, but the uncertainty related to future job growth and therefore, future occupancy and rent growth impact, once there’s clarity on that, and we get through the worst of the FedEx, which we appear to have done, given their commentary earlier this week that future rate hikes could be at a lower level. I think that kind of removing of the cloud that the market is looking for will begin to emerge.

Blaine Heck

Analyst

Great. Really appreciate all that color. And it sounded like you were seeing more 1031 exchange deals in this market. I guess, can you put any numbers around kind of the percentage of deals that you’re doing now that involve a 1031 versus the longer-term average? And then can you remind us that those 1031 deals tend to be more prominent in the private client or middle market versus larger deals? Or are they pretty well distributed across all deal sizes?

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

Sure. The 1031 exchanges are more prominent among private clients and the middle market. And they have accounted for anywhere from 20% to 30%-plus of our business over time. The percentage isn’t necessarily changing that much. But what is interesting is that when the market has a disruption like we’re experiencing right now, all of a sudden, the access to that 1031 exchange buyer becomes a lot more important and a lot more valuable. So we’re not doing anything different. We’ve always been out there facilitating 1031 exchanges as the market leader in that, and we continue to do so. But when the market shifts from a tailwind to a headwind and the investment community faces a disruption, all of a sudden that motivated buyer coming out of an exchange has a premium value to it. And therefore, it allows us to be more effective at getting deals done in a disrupted market.

Blaine Heck

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense. Switching gears, can you talk about what you’re seeing in the lending and financing market? How has availability of capital changed? How have lending standards specifically around loan-to-value or debt yield changes? How has that changed? And what’s the kind of ultimate effect on the transaction market in your view?

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

There has been a direct impact by lower loan proceeds in the last four to six months, but particularly in the third quarter. It felt like a lot of the interest rate increases and the Fed messaging came to fruition more so in the third quarter than the previous months even though the market had been well aware of the tightening cycle coming. And we’ve seen many lenders actually price themselves out of the market. The beauty of how we position ourselves with having closed with – over 400 lenders in the last 12-months is the ability to find a lender, if one exits the market or prices themselves out that we’ll do a particular deal. And one of the most important things about that is the creativity that it takes on the seller side, the buyer side and therefore, the lender side being able to actually execute and fund transactions. So the mechanics of that troubleshooting is a very important part of what our financing team and our sales team are jointly doing every single day right now. There is liquidity. We are not in a credit crunch, if you will, like we were in 2008, 2009, but the reluctance of lenders to lend versus six months ago is clearly a factor in the marketplace. Deals are being scrutinized a lot more closely. The sponsors are being scrutinized a lot more closely, and there just has to be more equity to make financing work.

Blaine Heck

Analyst

How much of that do you think has to do with just a lot of lenders have hit their quotas for the year? And does that – would it make sense that maybe the lending frees up a little bit in the new year as quotas are kind of reset?

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

That will be somewhat of a factor, but I don’t believe it will move the needle because if you think about the – on the bank side of the equation, we have the good position of great liquidity among our major banks and even regional banks, but the restrictions from a regulatory perspective on exposure to commercial real estate is now a factor that hinders their – some of their activity. And as there are some concerns about a minor blip, maybe related to loan performance in that over the past three years or so, there have been a lot of short-term loans through debt funds and other sources pumped into the marketplace that are going to be maturing in the next six to 18 months. And as those loans roll over, refinancing them in a way that would have – no longer an option. And there has to be more capital, more equity and in many cases, I believe, a recapitalization. So there is that element in the marketplace also coming. But for us, that’s another opportunity to be ahead of that, to be working with those lenders and to be working with those current owners that are facing those maturing loans.

Blaine Heck

Analyst

Great, very helpful. We touch on this pretty much every quarter, and you mentioned it in your prepared remarks, but it looks like broker count continues to slide. It’s now 9% below your highest level seen in early 2021. Can you just give us an update on those different initiatives you guys are pursuing to turn that trend around, any traction you’re getting with those? And really whether we should even expect a continued push to increase headcount even in a declining transaction environment.

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

Sure, Blaine. Our commitment to swim against the tide is unwavering in that we believe passionately that the importance of hiring and training and inculturating new talent is – should be as much of a priority as it’s ever been for us in our entire history. That is such an important part of how we became, who we became over the last 51 years, we’re not going to give up on that. We really do believe that these unusual conditions of record low unemployment, very competitive base salaries, especially for recent college graduates, which has always been a major feeder of talent for various Marcus & Millichap offices, will normalize at some point. We don’t know exactly when, we didn’t know exactly when the phenomenon really showed up after the pandemic, but it will not deter our strategy and commitment to organic growth. That’s a huge part of our success and our future. So the initiatives that I mentioned, whether they’re career fairs, college fairs, just a usual traditional one-on-one resume flow generation and putting Marcus & Millichap front of talented people that are looking for career shift, including, by the way, sales experience professionals in other industries. That’s been another very effective source for us to bring a little bit more mature candidates to real estate sales for the first time. We are continuing to pursue all of those strategies, improving it through technology and digital marketing and more targeted advertising. None of that is unwavering. The results aren’t showing up just because the conditions around the market haven’t changed yet. Just this morning, we saw a little bit of a relief on unemployment rate from 3.5% to 3.7%. The Fed’s stated desire is to see unemployment move up to 4.5% or so. And if that happens, which I…

Blaine Heck

Analyst

Very helpful. Appreciate all that commentary. Next, can you talk about your acquisition plans for 2023? What can you tell us about the current pipeline or potential investment opportunities on the horizon? And whether you think a better price, maybe larger opportunities could come about as a result of the transaction market headwinds and increased macro uncertainty.

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

Sure, Blaine. The market disruption is creating more motivation for very high-quality people to rethink their own strategy, whether it’s boutique firms, some individuals and teams – and we’re only really a couple of months into a visible disruption in the transaction market because of the tightening cycle. And I can tell you the pipeline of discussions has already increased. On the M&A front, we’re always actively pursuing key targets. I can tell you that a couple of our discussions did not come to fruition, partly because we felt that the risk factor in those particular acquisitions had elevated too much, and we weren’t prepared to take too much of a chance on valuation and the disconnect between our expectations. The bid-ask spread is just as much of a factor on the M&A front as it is in the real estate trading front. But for any of those discussions that came to a stop, new ones have begun. And we’re really encouraged by that. And now that we have a track record of success in bringing on boutique firms, individuals and teams, that also speaks for itself and has become part of the reason that more people are interested in learning more about the MMI platform. But we absolutely see the market disruption as an opportunity to do more of that and are out there aggressively pursuing this discussion.

Blaine Heck

Analyst

Great. So I guess with that context, how do you think about the priority of potential capital allocation avenues between dividend payments or growth in dividend payments versus share repurchases, which you did a little bit of this quarter versus saving up your dry powder for these acquisitions or M&A activities?

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

Sure. I’ll make a comment and I’ll defer to Steve on that as well. For me, I’ve always wanted to see the company in a position to have a really well-rounded capital position and capital allocation strategy. It took some years, given our conservative approach to make sure that in a cyclical industry, we’re always very well capitalized to get to the point where our capital position is such that we can do both. We can be very offense oriented on the acquisition front, invest in the platform. Those two are the highest and best use of capital on behalf of not just our shareholders, but also our team and our clients. But at the same time, have the privilege of being able to return cash to investors when it’s appropriate and really pursue a multipronged strategy of deploying capital without one coming at the expense of the other. And I’m very pleased that we’re in that position. Steve, anything to elaborate [ph]?

Steve DeGennaro

Analyst

Yes. I would say, as Hessam did, that we have the "luxury" of such a strong balance sheet, no debt and an almost $600 million in cash that allows us the flexibility to, one, make those all important investments internally in growth initiatives, whether it’s tech, Hessam referred to the rollout of the MyMMI platform. M&A I mean these – when the market is disrupted, those are opportune times to make M&A investments. Price has to be right. We’ll continue to be disciplined in our underwriting criteria. The bid-ask spread is a factor right now. Everybody is coming off of perhaps the best two years of their career. So there’s perhaps a difference in expectation there. But because of the level of liquidity that we have, we’ve got the ability to make investments both internally. There’s plenty of capital for M&A, and we don’t anticipate any changes to the return to – return of capital to shareholder initiatives that we’ve implemented this year, whether it’s dividend or repurchase. We said at the time that the repurchase was approved last quarter, that we would be active participants in the market when the price was appropriate. And I think we’ve shown that both during the quarter and subsequent to it. So as the punch line is, there’s plenty of liquidity for us to pursue all these initiatives.

Blaine Heck

Analyst

Okay, very helpful. Last one for me, I promise. Steve, I’ll stick with you. Can you just give us any kind of guidelines or color around how we should think about the sensitivity of your income to the changes in Canadian to U.S. exchange rate?

Steve DeGennaro

Analyst

Yes. We’ve always had always been subject to fluctuations in the USD versus Canadian dollar. That fluctuation was more pronounced in Q3 than it has ever been. The dollar strengthened considerably. And in fact, if I look at the exchange rate today, we – it’s come back a little bit in the opposite direction. So we’ve got a number of initiatives internally that are underway to help minimize those fluctuations. We’d like to not have it be so pronounced. But the strength of the dollar this quarter really highlighted that. So there are – as I said, they’re internal efforts to help mitigate that going forward because the Canadian – our Canadian operations aren’t – they’re sub-10% of our revenue, I would hope to not be subject to as much currency fluctuation going forward.

Blaine Heck

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks for all the time, guys. Very helpful answers.

Steve DeGennaro

Analyst

Great to have you on Blaine. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I’ll now turn the call back over to the management for closing remarks.

Hessam Nadji

Analyst

Thank you, Operator, and thank you for joining our third quarter call. We look forward to seeing you on the road and on our next earnings call. The call is adjourned.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today’s conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.