Jeff Stutz
Analyst · Benchmark.
So let me give you a little color on the backlog. So specific to the North American contract business, backlog for that segment is down about 20%, okay, rough numbers. Retail, as you said, as Debbie said, it's -- or I don't know if you heard that comment, but she said it's a fairly normal backlog coming out of the first quarter. So no big surprises there, actually, in pretty good shape. In the international backlog, it's actually up. It's up about 13% and that's organic, okay? So just to kind of give you a little color by segment. I would say, generally speaking, while there's still a lot of uncertainty, and I don't want to paint the picture otherwise. I mean, obviously, with the MAC business we're seeing some order pressure and with backlog being down, there's still a lot of uncertainty. But I would tell you just given the circumstances of what's driving the pressure, it’s virus related, it feels episodic. I think we do have a bit more confidence that if we can get some some help from science around this, I think we can get back on our feet a little quicker. So I think that's our working assumption here. Now that's not to say we're out of the woods by any stretch, right? And the other thing I would say about international is we were really pleased, no question. That business has performed very, very well. As Andi said, a little further ahead, perhaps on the recovery curve. The one thing I would point out, though, is with international in this segment of our business, that tends to be a bit longer-dated in the backlog, just nature of the business. You've got projects that have longer shipping distances. It tends to be a bit more project-driven in general. So I just would caution some of the assumptions around translating that backlog into shipments. It tends to be a little longer-dated in general terms than we see in North America.