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TPG Mortgage Investment Trust Inc (MITT)

Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Mar 6, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the AG Mortgage Investment Trust Fourth Quarter 2012 Earnings Call. My name is Dona, and I’ll be your operator for today’s call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that the conference is being record. I will now turn the call over to Lisa Yahr. Lisa, you may begin?

Lisa Yahr

Management

Thanks, Dona, good morning everyone, and welcome to the AG Mortgage Trust Fourth Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me on today’s call are David Roberts, our Chief Executive Officer; Jonathan Lieberman, our Chief Investment Officer; and Frank Stadelmaier, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I’d like to review our Safe Harbor statement. Today’s conference call and corresponding slide presentation contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. All such statements are intended to be subject to the protection provided by their format. The Company’s actual results may differ materially from those projected due to the impact of many factors beyond its control. All forward-looking statements included in this conference call and the slide presentations are based on our beliefs and expectations as of today March 6, 2013. Additional information concerning the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements are included in the Risk Factors section of the Company’s periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Copies of the reports are available on the SEC’s website at www.sec.gov. Finally, we disclaim any obligation to update our forward-looking statements, unless required by law. With that I’ll the turn the call over to David Roberts.

David Roberts

Management

Thank you, Lisa, and good morning to everyone. MITT ended 2012 with another strong quarter, our fourth quarter core earnings were $0.85 per share, we’re pleased to declare our first quarter 2013 dividend of $0.80 per share consistent with our 2012 fourth quarter dividend. One of the highlights since our last call was the addition to MITT’s portfolio of two proprietary transactions sourced through the Angelo, Gordon platform. One was a commercial real estate loan that closed in January of this year, and the other, a legacy portfolio of residential whole loans that closed in December. In 2012, our success in expanding MITT’s capital base from around $200 million to around $800 million in turn has expanded MITT’s scale, and thus with the expansion of that scale, our ability to invest in these types of transactions. We expect that these proprietary transactions to be an increasingly significant factor for MITT this year, and in future years. I want to take a few minutes to discuss the Angelo, Gordon platform and how it benefits MITT and its shareholders. Angelo, Gordon is a firm with $25 billion in assets under management, specializing in real estate and credit. Many of our investment areas like RMBS and CMBS and residential and commercial real estate whole loans stand at the intersection of both credit and real estate. And these disciplines and areas benefit from the combination of our expertise in both credit and real estate. We have over 100 investment professionals in these areas. The commercial real estate loan MITT invested in, in January was sourced and analyzed by Angelo, Gordon’s private equity real estate group. The legacy whole loan portfolio that MITT invested in, in December was sourced through relationships that Angelo, Gordon had developed over many years, predating the formation of MITT, and this transaction was analyzed using the resources at the RMBS Group. We have continued to add resources to the Angelo, Gordon platform which we expect will benefit MITT. In February, we hired Jason Biegel to lead our efforts in the residential whole loan area, our plan is for Jason to add significantly to our resources in this area, which we believe will provide MITT with differentiated, attractive and sizeable investment opportunities. Similarly, we plan to add resources to commercial real estate lending, but we believe our deep expertise in the great networks we have developed as a buyer of properties over the past 20 years will give us an edge in sourcing and analyzing opportunities, and here I’m talking about Angelo, Gordon’s Private Equity Real Estate Group. In summary, as we have said ever since we formed MITT, our goal is to bring the considerable resources of Angelo, Gordon to create for our MITT shareholders the best risk adjusted, most diverse and robust portfolio in our industry. With that, I will turn over to Jonathan Lieberman to talk about our quarter’s investments.

Jonathan Lieberman

Management

Thank you, David. We are very pleased with our accomplishments and the maturation of the company. As we look ahead to this year, we are excited about our existing portfolio, the scale of the platform, and the outlook we’re continuing to deliver value to our shareholders. To begin, I’d like to touch on a few highlights for the full-year, this is set out on page three of our presentation that’s on our website. First, we generated total annual shareholder returns of over 31% including paying close to $3 per share in dividends. Second, we completed a strategic capital raise in mid December, this equity raise were approximately $90 million was done in anticipation of the two new investment opportunities that David mentioned earlier. Third, we grew our overall portfolio from $1.4 billion to $4.9 billion, and our gross allocation to credit assets was 22.2% at year end, up from 9% a year earlier. Finally, I’ll discuss in greater detail MITT’s participation in a legacy whole loan trade that was procured by AG just prior to year end. The investment team is very excited about this facet of our business. On slide four, we shared top line performance details along with several portfolio metrics. I’ll spend more time discussing many of these metrics later, but I’d like to discuss a few important performance attributes. For the quarter, we generated $0.85 of core earnings, and also increased our undistributable taxable income by close to $1 million from $1.19 to $2.15 per share. The investment team is actively rotating assets that reach terminal value. Basically, that they’ve peaked in valuation, and we believe that, at this point, we should realize the gains, monetize our gains and basically redeploy that capital in much more attractive opportunities. Retention of undistributed income accomplishes two strategic objectives…

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

Thank you, Jonathan. Good morning. I’d now like to highlight a few of the financial metrics in more detail. For the quarter, the yield on our interest earning assets decreased from 3.48% to 3.37%. During the quarter, we sold approximately $400 billion of securities and recognized $0.56 per share in gains and replaced them with securities that we believe have a better relative yield, but a lower yield in those that which we sold. This was partially offset by the increase in the size of our credit portfolio relative to agency where yields are typically higher. Additionally at December 31, the capital raise that we did late December had not been fully deployed and therefore the yield at December 31 does not include the effects of all the credit assets that we purchased subsequent to year end. During the quarter, our cost of funds increased from 98 basis points last quarter to 1.11% this quarter. Our cost of funds include both the amount we pay on borrowings, as well as the cost of our interest rate derivatives. Cost of borrowings under repurchase agreements during the quarter increased to 75 basis points from 67 basis points. Borrowing costs are higher on our credit assets and as we increased the size of our credit portfolio during the quarter, our borrowings also increased and the cost of borrowings also increased. Additionally, during the quarter we extended the maturity profile of our repos consistent with prior year’s repo rates for borrowings that will cross year-end pick up in the fourth quarter and then come back down after year end. During the quarter, our cost of swaps increased from 31 basis points to 35 basis points. This increase came from the additional $300 million notional of interest rates swaps Jonathan described earlier. Our G&A as a percentage of equity during the quarter decreased from 1.4% to 1.26%. As we have significantly grown the equity base during the year, we are now starting to see efficiencies by spreading our G&A cost over a big capital base. The business is at a point where, it will continue to scale better with continued growth and continued growth should bring down G&A as a percentage of equity. During the quarter, our taxable income increased by $0.96 per share to $2.15. The increase in taxable income was driven primarily by the gains on sales of securities. Additionally, our core earnings continue to exceed our dividend and this excess amount adds to our undistributed taxable income as well. The increase in undistributed earnings is also what caused our increase in excise tax period over period. This undistributed earnings continues to provide us with flexibility when considering future dividends. I’d now like to open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Our first question comes from Trevor Cranston from JMP Securities. Please go ahead. Trevor Cranston – JMP Securities: All right. Thanks. Congratulations on a good quarter. I was wondering if you could expand a little bit on the build-out of the residential loan platform. At least for the near-term is that something you envision being primarily focused on acquiring legacy assets, or you also thinking of kind of originating new prime jumbo loans and originating MSRs or something like that?

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

I think it’s a case of all of the above subject to the right price point, right yield for the portfolio, but we’re in the market and if we’re going to build this, we have the skill set for all three types of assets, we’re now putting in place the infrastructure that we think is important for each of those distinct asset classes. Now in the case of Jumbo’s, it’s making sure, the credit box is appropriate, building the appropriate diligence controls around the credit and in controlling legal risks associated with the Jumbos and the financing Jumbos. In the case of legacy, it’s a lot of the upfront diligence and then basically managing the risk once you have it on board and in the case of MSRs a lot of the value is in retention of the MSRs, no matter which way interest rates go, and no matter which way housing prices go. So, we can buy MSRs every day of the year, but we don’t think that that’s prudent without having the ability to recapture or protect the MSR at this point in time. Trevor Cranston – JMP Securities: Okay. That makes sense. And maybe on the acquisitions of the whole loan opportunities such as the two recent ones you completed, can you just give us kind of a sense of where you see targeted returns on those types of investments right now?

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

We expect that the investment that we made will probably be in the upper teens for the recent acquisition of the residential whole loans, and then that the commercial it’s a high single-digit type of return and then it’s a function of the permanent leverage that we will put in place that will – we think elevate the return and we’re working through that currently. Trevor Cranston – JMP Securities: Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, our next question comes from Jason Stewart from Compass Point. Please go ahead. Jason Stewart – Compass Point: Hi, thank you. Drilling down into the focus on the residential platform and MSRs, are you looking at making investments in excess MSRs in addition to creating them through either the origination platform or purchasing securities?

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

We have in the past had in the portfolio excess servicing, excess MSRs that were previously securitized. We have not recently added any excess there have been some recent transactions, I think at Wells Fargo in particular, but once again it’s we think that there is other assets that may provide similar benefits to the portfolio that don’t have the prepayment profile of excess. Jason Stewart – Compass Point: Okay. Maybe taking that and looking at that as both an investment and a potential hedge and comparing it to an IO or looking at your bookings and taking MSRs, the credit book and your hedge portfolio all together and thinking about the duration gap, how should we be looking at all of those together because it seems like credits going up as a percentage, hedges are going up as a percentage. And there might be an opportunity to lower that cost to hedge through some other investments.

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

That’s very fair and we have been, you know as said we have looked at, we have made investments in IOs that provide positive carry hedges to the portfolio similar with excess. The agency assets also provide a nice hedge to the agency book and certainly has the percentage and depends upon the dollar price for the asset and it’s, basically its relationship to rates, as well as its relationship to home prices. It integrates really, really well with the agency side. I would say that you come back to the agency side for a moment, we do look at that both in the context of the overall portfolio, but we also look at that as a portfolio on to itself. And in the fourth quarter and in the first quarter, we have taken a view that there was going to be more volatility in rates and potentially higher short-term rates. If you typically or – sometimes you will have a little bit of a growth scare in the first quarter and you certainly have seen a much more vigorous debate between the doves and hawks on the Fed and the size of their balance sheet and we felt that it would be prudent for us to basically add additional hedges here to the portfolio that could protect book value and we’ve shown that we are not wed to one specific hedge ratio and that we’ll move opportunistically. And I think it’s transpired very much the way we foresaw. Jason Stewart – Compass Point: Okay. That’s good color and then just shifting gears one follow-up on the question on the commercial loan origination, when you’re looking at that space is there a price point or a yield or a part of the capital structure or even a sector that you’re focusing on or is it really just opportunistic?

David Roberts

Management

It’s David. It really is opportunistic, we have a lot of resources here that look at all sorts of different real estate product types whether it’s office or retail or multifamily hotels and it’s very geographically diversified, we’ve been – we are one of the longest standing and probably most prolific in terms of all the markets that we cover in terms of opportunistic real estate players. So, we see a lot of different products from the equity side and we’re just looking and being opportunistic to see what – where on the lending side, we can add value. It’s like everything else, it’s a competitive market. And we’re going to be very choosy and about where we want to participate in, and it’s really going to be a bottom up approach as opposed to saying X percent of the portfolio should be in this. So, it really it’s going to depend upon how we’re able to use the network to uncover great risk reward opportunity. So, we’re very happy with the transaction that closed in January and hope there are others like that. Jason Stewart – Compass Point: Great, thanks for taking the question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Boris Pialloux from National Securities. Please go ahead. Boris Pialloux – National Securities: Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my questions. Most of my question is regarding the CMBS. One, I’d like to understand your views on the CMBS in regards of – there was a recent article of Bloomberg saying that the spreads are pretty well going up and second is, if the CMBS market is having difficulties, does that mean that what you’re doing like originating or participating in the origination of direct loans would actually seal the gap?

David Roberts

Management

It’s David, I think that again we’re going to be opportunistic in terms of – when you look at the CMBS market overall there are plenty of different places, different tranches, different opportunities, different vintage years to look at and we’re constantly looking at all of those to see where we think there is compelling risk reward and we would view our effort to buy commercial real estate loans, whole loans as really being a corollary and complementary to looking at legacy CMBS assets, so we don’t see it as necessarily a conflict and some areas of the CMBS market have tightened and there may be other areas where we can opportunistically make good purchases. Boris Pialloux – National Securities: And then lastly, we are getting your – the hiring of Jason, in long-term do you see, if you’re originating loans to or going into the Jumbo, do you have the sense that you would end up with doing securitization or having a securitization platform?

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

I think long-term you have to have a method of placing leverage on jumbo mortgages or those mortgages given the low yield. So you have to have a way of basically putting some amount of term leverage in place, and potentially mitigating interest rate exposure. So, it could be bank facilities, securitization is an off balance sheet kind of terminology in segregation of assets. I think, we have some thoughts around it, I think it’s still evolving, what the format for financing jumbos long-term will be. And we’re kind of open to all of them and also maybe blazing our own path. Boris Pialloux – National Securities: Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). We have Ken Bruce on line with the question from Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead. Kenneth Bruce – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Thanks good morning. I just want to make sure I understand what your intentions are in the whole loan market, is this an area that you envision setting up a platform or do you see yourself being more just opportunistic in terms of acquiring bulk whole loans just as it became available. How are you looking at that business, it’s been obviously a very high profile platform development initiatives from some others, I’m just trying to understand where you’re kind of seeing yourself fit into this ecosystem?

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

Okay, well I think we are always going to be an opportunistic investor. So that’s the basic D&A of Angelo, Gordon and the company MITT, that it will always have an opportunistic aspect, that if we see source, our shown opportunities that we think are attractive, or we can engineer in a way that makes them attractive, we will use our intellect, we’re certainly going to be continuing that for the foreseeable future of the company. In addition, we are typically in the flows of markets on a daily basis. So, with all of our funds and we have built businesses over long-term. So, take our brick-and-mortar commercial business, the business has been in existence since 1994. It is a history of financing and acquiring and redeveloping buildings. We have a triple net lease business. We have other businesses here that have been much in existence for years, we would expect that we will find a way to incorporate the expertise of our private equity group that has quite a bit of expertise in specialty finance. The RMBS Group that has quite a bit of expertise with whole loans and if we feel that branding a MITT, quote, shelf or acquisition platform is the best way to achieve our objectives, which is to produce good risk adjusted returns for our shareholders. We will do so, I think we’re developing that. And I think when the time is right, we’ll kind of more fully play that out. But, I think you can see that we’re beginning to put in place the human capital not only for opportunistic trades, but for more long-term businesses for the REIT to invest in. Kenneth Bruce – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Okay, thank you. And are you envisioning participating in the risk transfer initiatives that the agencies are discussing, I’m sorry, if I missed that in your prepared remarks.

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

No, you didn’t miss it, we are in Washington quite a bit. I said on the board of the Association of Mortgage Investors, we have regular dialogue with regulators, as well as the agencies and we look forward to seeing opportunities from the agencies both in the near-term and in the future and when opportunities do present themselves for risk transfers we certainly hope that we are among the first investors. Kenneth Bruce – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: And this might be pre-matured, but is there any price talk around what those returns in that, in that structure will look like, is there anyway to sense that, there has already been some capital raising that’s done with the understanding that that’s part of the target asset class? I’m trying to maybe better understand what the economics are looking like for yourself?

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

None that I'm aware of. I'm not aware of any pricing, but, you can see where mortgages are being originated, the levels you can see what credit losses are, you can see what the cost of funds and you can back into some of the first loss pieces have to be in the teens to basically the reasonable risk adjusted returns given the duration, given the interest rates and the liquidity of those assets. There is a bunch of things to be determined, whether you know what’s the tax treatment of those assets, whether you can get comfortable with the loss severity, given the periodic intervention of government in foreclosure activities. And whether you will have to hold 5% of the capital structure from the life of the deal, which makes REIT or one in a vehicle that has permanent equity, an ideal buyer of this risk. Kenneth Bruce – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Right and last question is there any – do you have any kind of upper bound in terms of how much portfolio turnover you’re willing to accept within the portfolio, whether be across asset mix or just in terms of optimizing within a particular part of the portfolio?

Frank Stadelmaier

Management

We do not have a Governor on what percentage of the portfolio we’re willing to turnover. If the assets have appreciated to terminal value and we think that we can better deploy the capital in a new asset or even in cash, we will certainly take that approach. We are mindful of basically making sure that the integrity of the portfolio holds together. And then we’re not introducing new risks to one portion of the portfolio by selling of another portion. Kenneth Bruce – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Okay, thank you very much for your comments this morning.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time we have no further questions. Do have any closing remarks.

David Roberts

Management

Yeah, just to thank everyone for attending the call and we look forward to speaking with you in next quarter. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.