McGrath RentCorp (MGRC) Q3 2012 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Welcome to the McGrath RentCorp Third Quarter 2012 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This conference is being recorded today, Thursday, November 1, 2012. I would now like to turn the conference over to Geoffrey Buscher of SBG Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon. I am the Investor Relations Advisor to McGrath RentCorp, and will be acting as moderator of the conference call today. Representatives on the call today from McGrath RentCorp are Dennis Kakures, President and CEO, and Keith Pratt, Senior Vice President and CFO. Please note that this call is being recorded and will be available for telephone replay for up to 7 days following the call by dialing 1 (800) 406-7325 for domestic callers, and (303) 590-3030 for international callers. The passcode for the call replay is 4568266. This call is also being broadcast live over the Internet and will be available for replay. We encourage you to visit the Investor Relations section of the company's website at mgrc.com. Our press release was sent out today at approximately 4:05 pm Eastern Time, or 1:05 pm Pacific Time. If you did not receive a copy, but would like one, it is available online in the Investor Relations section of our website, or you may call (206) 652-9704 and one will be sent to you. Before getting started, let me remind everyone that the matters we will be discussing today that are not truly historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934, including statements regarding McGrath RentCorp's expectations, beliefs, intentions or strategies regarding the future. All forward-looking statements are based upon information currently available to McGrath RentCorp, and McGrath RentCorp assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. These and other risks relating to McGrath RentCorp's business are set forth in the documents filed by McGrath RentCorp with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company's most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q. I would now like to turn the call over to Keith Pratt.

Thank you, Geoffrey. In addition to the press release issued today, the company also filed with the SEC the earnings release on Form 8-K. For the third quarter 2012, total revenues decreased 5% to $99.4 million from $104.9 million for the same period in 2011. Net income decreased 19% to $12.5 million from $15.4 million and earnings per diluted share decreased 19% to $0.50 from $0.62. Reviewing the third quarter results for the company's mobile modular division compared to the third quarter of 2011, total revenues decreased $2.3 million, or 6%, to $33 million primarily due to lower sales and rental revenues, partly offset by higher rental related services revenues. Gross profit on rent decreased $0.9 million to $9.8 million, primarily due to lower rental margins of 49% compared with 54% in 2011 and lower rental revenue. Lower rental margins were a result of $0.8 million higher other direct costs for labor and materials. Selling and administrative expenses increased 1% to $8.5 million. The lower gross profit on rental and sales revenues partly offset by higher gross profit on rental related services revenues, combined with increased selling and administrative expenses, resulted in a decrease in operating income of $1.5 million, or 24%, to $4.6 million. Finally, average modular rental equipment for the quarter was $527 million, an increase of $20 million. Equipment additions were primarily to support growth in the Mid-Atlantic region and for our portable storage initiative. Average utilization for the third quarter decreased from 67.1% to 66.2%. Turning next to third quarter results for the company's TRS-RenTelco division, compared to the third quarter of 2011, total revenues increased $2.4 million, or 7%, to $33.9 million, due to higher rental, rental related services and sales revenues. Gross profit on rent increased $1.2 million, or 10%, to $12.9 million. Rental…

Thank you, Keith. Before I get started with comments on this quarter's results, we realize that we have a number of greater New York area individuals on our call this evening. And we’d to extend our thoughts and prayers to all of you and your families on the impact of the superstorm Sandy and our hopes for a return to normalcy as quickly as possible. Thank you. As mentioned in our press release, let me provide some additional color on the sale revenue and profitability shortfalls in Enviroplex, our California classroom manufacturing business, which accounted for approximately $0.08 of the $0.12 reduction in EPS from a year ago. Equipment sales were $9.2 million for the quarter, compared to $18.5 million a year ago. We had approximately $7 million in additional sale revenue we had anticipated to bill in, in the third quarter. However, due to significant production line challenges, these projects won’t be completed until the fourth quarter of 2012, or perhaps the first quarter of 2013. Additionally, and most importantly, due to these manufacturing issues, our margins on multiple projects during the quarter were negatively impacted. So what specifically caused these production and margin related challenges? We had a very large and highly specialized educational structure, as well as a number of other custom projects in production during the same timeframe in the quarter. The specialty project had significant design specifications and sourcing challenges. In turn, these issues created a bottleneck for other projects following. As a result, we had significant manufacturing inefficiencies and related in-plant overtime and subcontractor costs on all of these projects. Additionally, in order to meet our customer delivery timeframe commitment, various works that would typically be done in plant had to be done on-site at prevailing wage labor rates. We saw a significant margin…

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Andrew Gadlin with CJS Securities.

My first question is in regards to the TRS segment. If you could talk a little bit about the intra-quarter trend, where there was something like a slowdown in a lot of the tax base in Q3. I am curious if you saw some of that in TRS as well.

For the most part, we did not, and in fact, our October booking levels have been very strong. In fact, there were the highest booking level for the year in October and were about 20% higher than September. It’s been very strong, we have not really seen any decline. Now keep in mind that we're entering the fourth quarter here and there are some seasonal dynamics with the business to where -- it’s a question of when does it start killing off in the fourth quarter as companies kind of wind down and manage their equipment pool. So that’s to come. Our hope is that it’s later in the quarter rather than earlier. We had a good first 1/3 of the quarter to start with.

Historically when has that slowdown come?

I have been in the -- with the business a number years as you know and I've seen it sometimes come the beginning in October, sometimes in November, sometimes not until the last 2 weeks in December. So it’s all over the board and thus far we’ve got a strong first month of the quarter and hopefully that continues as far in to the quarter as possible.

Just one more question on the Adler Tank, you were -- you had talked in the past about moving equipment around the country and you had been a little reticent to do that before. What changed your thinking this quarter?

Well, what happens is that you get opportunities that we’ve had a very good pipeline within the greater Marcellus region and what you have to do is really see how that materializes over time, and if it’s not moving as quickly as you liked to see, then you need to be moving equipment. So fortunately we had a need for -- it was a win-win in the fact that although we’re doing new rentals in the Marcellus in the greater Northeast area, not as -- we’re not utilizing as much equipment as quickly as I'd like to see it. But we have needs in other region, in particular the southern region in Texas and other states in that -- that cover that southern region and we were able to ship but most of the equipment we did ship was for orders that we have which is a good thing. So looking forward we’re going to continue to be evaluating that situation ideally. We don't want to be moving any more equipment than necessary, at the same time we’re realistic and even though the MBTU of gas -- gas was at a low of about $1.82 an MBTU in the middle of April, if at $3.70 today, that doubled, that doesn't mean that that market is coming back anytime soon in a robust manner. So we’re being proactive and you'll again see in the fourth quarter likely expenses associated with moving more equipment. But that’s all for very good reason.

So if you’re moving equipment specifically for an order in hand, how long does it typically take to get the payback on the cost of moving the equipment?

Well, first of all, it depends on where the equipment is moving to, how far away. And if it's a move to Texas, it's typically going to be about 3.5 to 4 month timeframe. So you’re dealing with a 20-year assets with a small price to pay to be able to get it into a market that is going to have more rental opportunities in the near term. And our goal over time as we build the business is to get the right mix and depths of equipment end markets. So these interregional transfers are much less frequent but this is one of those growing pains. And I'm not sure if I would've changed much up to this point but we have to manage this and we’re managing well and we will need much more equipment, new equipment as we move forward than what we have sitting currently today in the Marcellus.

And Texas is one of the longer moves that you could possibly have, right?

It is. It is one of the longer moves, but it's also a very healthy market with multiple end-user segments.

Our next question is from the line of Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer & Company.

I apologize if I missed it. I think a question I have on Adler would be on CapEx. Could you give us a little color on, that Dennis, you mentioned the movement and building the business in the Southwest I believe. Can you just speak a little bit to CapEx to geographical needs?

Scott, I am going to let Keith speak first and I will add in color after that if necessary.

Sure. Scott, as we indicated at mid-year we had invested fairly heavily in capital for the Adler business in the first half of year. Q3, we throttled back a bit. We added approximately $12 million of new equipment, that compares with a year ago, we added $19 million in the third quarter. So last year really over the course of the year we were ramping production of equipment and really carried that rate of production into the first half of this year. We throttled back a bit, we're being much more selective with the spend. It’s mainly from specialty tank that we need and some box inventory and as Dennis discussed, we’re looking at ways to move equipment around to meet needs beyond the Marcellus.

And were you investing it all in the Marcellus side, I wasn’t sure if I heard that or not, that you see longer term opportunity. I know you’re moving from that area. Was there anything new into that region?

No, if there was anything new that went into that region it was just some equipment that may have been sitting at a local factory. But we’re not shipping any really equipment into that region. And at the same time keep in mind the Marcellus we feel a very active play and it will be for a very long period of time, but we've really -- things are exiting in that region. As rig moves in particular, and it takes a while for rigs to move and they get reset up et cetera, then equipment follows. But we’re also at the same time as I mentioned in my prepared remarks trying to really diversify the base. We like the fracking business at the same time for us to do more industrial, heavy construction, those types of end markets is very good for us. And that’s what we’re trying to accomplish.

A few more if I could across a few other segments. The production line issue, and I believe it was specifically in Enviroplex and correct me if I wrong.

That’s correct.

Could you speak to that a little bit, what specifically is occurring or has occurred as far as the deliveries and what you had to work on in-field, and how long that dynamics may persist?

Well, this is really an anomaly in my mind without a question. I’ve been associated with that businesses since we acquired it in the early 1990s and this is a very unique event. We had a very highly specialized structure moving through the plant. We had some significant challenges with some specifications that couldn't be sourced properly that slowed down the line as a result -- we had to put a lot of resources on that project and turn everything behind it, which was also the custom nature, got bogged down and we didn't have adequate resources to manage the slowness that combined with moving at some of the rework that needed to be done. And from there we were behind the 8 ball and we had to start shipping equipment to be able to meet the deadlines in the field. So you ship equipment, so the customer can start doing their work on the building where you're trying to complete it, which is the most -- it’s not an ideal situation certainly for us. And I have done a lot of project management in my early days of the company and it’s a much less than ideal. So those were the dynamics and when we were done with these projects we will sit down, and we’re going to do a post-mortem on everything and look at it. And if that’s what went wrong and hopefully learn from it. And like I said this was an aberration from Enviroplex’s capabilities without a question.

And a follow up on that is -- can you just remind us -- I think you had a robust quarter last year in Enviroplex that you’re comping against, what's implied in the guidance for Enviroplex fourth quarter and just how does third quarter this year, fourth quarter this year, compare to last year?

Sure. Let’s just start with the -- to level set the Q3 comparison of all the business we did with Enviroplex last year, the vast majority was recognized in the third quarter. We actually had $18.5 million in revenue. We were 50% lower in the third quarter of this year, $9.2 million and as Dennis mentioned in his remarks, we also had the margin compression. Typical margins at Enviroplex are somewhere in the low to mid 20s. A year ago we were at 24% gross margin in the third quarter, this year 17%. And for all the reasons Dennis outlined, we think there will be significant margin pressure at Enviroplex in the balance of this year and potentially into the first part of next year. So that’s just the level set with Q3. I think for the full year for this year I think Enviroplex there will be some additional revenue in the fourth quarter, but on a full-year basis probably not as much revenue in total as we saw last year. And again the forewarning here is for all the reasons Dennis said, you have significant margin pressure at the gross margin level for the remaining projects that were impacted.

Are you able to get any more granular on revenue and margins in the fourth quarter or could you give an update for us to back in to there, I hadn't thought it through or is that as far as you want to take it here?

Yes, the way I would look at it is, as I think you might have gotten a sense, some of these projects when they will actually be turned over to customers and revenue recognized, there are some timing issues there. We can’t even tell today whether some of this will be late in the fourth quarter, potentially early in the first quarter. There’s very likely to be a few million in revenue in Q4 and for being precise about that number is part of that timing issue. But either way those orders won’t bring a whole lot of gross margin into the financial result.

And then on your portable storage initiatives, sounds like that’s going quite well. 2 questions in that category. One, how was pricing -- as you go to market are you using price as a way to go in or are you being fairly disciplined there and you are seeing improvement in that market? And the follow-up question is, it sounds like you're advancing your investment in that. Is that a case where we’re going to see elevated SG&A versus your prior plan as you expand or as we think about modeling for next year, just how should we think about that?

Sure. Let me address the market pricing to begin with. The way we've grown that business today, and I will speak to specifically to pricing in a moment, the way we've grown that business to date, has been on our ability to execute. And with the largest player in the industry having gone through digesting, making a major acquisition, our ability to execute and even though on a small regional basis that's really what made a difference for us as we’ve been building that business. Of course, that’s a hallmark of all of our rental businesses is that we believe we provide the best customer experience in the industry and we say that very proudly. So in large part it has to do with the way we operate our businesses. Second, we have a fabulous leader running the business. He really knows how to grow things. But I will also add, let’s talk about pricing for just a second and then we’ll get to SG&A. The pricing on it, from when we entered the business in 2008 until -- right through the current timeframe, we have not really seen any degradation in rental pricing. It's been in a very stable healthy range during that entire timeframe. So we have been very fortunate, at the same time we’re also executing and delivering a good experience for people. Now with SG&A, what’s interesting now is if you look quarter over quarter in the modular business we didn't have the kind of SG&A spike that we’ve had in past quarters because we’re starting to -- those shoes that we built for ourselves were starting to be able to get, as I mentioned, some critical mass in revenues. And so we’re not having to spend as much SG&A because we're growing into what we already are spending on an annual basis. So what we’re seeing here is we've gotten to profitability in a couple of regions and we’re building on that. And then as we get more regions profitable and even though we’re adding potentially additional ones, the whole division should be profitable overall. And we’re just about there really currently. The last few quarters have been slightly profitable overall on a division wide basis for the portable storage which was a big step provided -- when you consider what we’ve come through to be able to get to where we are at. So we’re growing the top line $0.5 million. We’re also at the same time making I think very intelligent decisions about building the team and picking smart locations in which to add to the geographic footprint. So I feel good on a lot of fronts there.

And then one more two-part question. First, the environmental test equipment, are you expect -- I know that’s up for disposal -- are you anticipating material proceeds from that? Just any thoughts on that. And you mentioned hiring a corporate development associate. Is that for that process or is that to explore alternative strategic advancements? Just curious what you’re thinking there.

With respect to your first question on the -- that’s really a non-event, up or down. So it's really going to be -- if we’re successful in having someone acquire the assets, then we expect it to be very de minimis impact up or down. So it's really immaterial. With respect to our new corporate development associate, that individual has been brought in, not for the TRSE opportunity to sell the business. But really because Keith and I are the 2 chief people to date that really look at all the different opportunities across our desk and both with operating and other responsibilities. We want to make certain that we have an appropriate level of bandwidth. So our new individual is a very sharp young man from the University of Denver. He spends full time in looking at not only new rental opportunities and new products but also in our core businesses on geographic opportunities as well as other opportunities for ancillary product et cetera. So he’s pretty -- got a abroad platform of items that he is working on and a very good news for all of us is that we've got somebody who is spending 100% of their time every day, day in and day out on these other -- not that we don't have a broad team that spends time on it but you know it’s 20% here, 30% there et cetera. So we need to build this infrastructure. And so we’re very pleased with this addition.

Our next question is from the line of David Gold -- Sidoti & Co.

Just a couple of questions for you. You covered a lot of ground. Can you call out if possible the amount that you spent during the quarter on moving containers or units for Adler?

Our direct costs of other operations for Adler if you look at that number year-over-year it’s up by approximately $1 million and I would say half of that is related to moving equipment. About $0.5 million.

And then a couple of other things. Further plans there as far as movement, is there more that you plan to do?

Well we’re actively evaluating opportunities within the Marcellus and the greater Northeast. I will give you an example. Obviously with the superstorm that you just had there is a high demand for tanks in the area currently to be able to serve the extraction of water out of the subway system or other areas in the region that have been adversely affected. So those are more short-term needs but those are the types of things you continue to evaluate plus projects coming online early next year that make sense to keep certain amount of equipment there. And at the same time, wherever we’re growing we’re going to for the most part be shipping equipment from the Marcellus to support that growth rather than build new. Although for a state like California it's a much more expensive haul all the way to the West Coast, and we have other manufacturers much, much closer, and it makes sense. So when you look at the overall footprint needs that we will have with the business over the next couple years in new geographies, that it doesn't make sense to incur that expense to ship it across country versus building new because we will utilize all this equipment even at that favorable utilization levels.

And then one more, you obviously had some good success shifting away from fracking to other demand. Can you give a sense for where the big demand is coming from and if you have any other big exposure now that -- from a demand driver standpoint now that so much movements going on.

Primarily in the industrial and refinery markets that -- and also heavy construction, infrastructure type projects, so those have been all good end markets for us over the 6 to 12 months and they continue to be. And so that’s specific areas. I just want to emphasize that the E&P market is still a very important market to Adler. And we’re going to have peaks and valleys. As we all know it’s a more volatile type of market, but it’s still a very viable one, we get long-term rentals in that end market segments on a lot of rentals. So lot of goodness there but from an exposure standpoint I think we’ve done a very good job of redistricting assets and at the same time when various gas fields pick up, you're likely to see more equipment heading that direction or just being utilized from within the region, and we will need to monitor that over time just to see how the whole energy policy associated with U.S. resources in the continental U.S. plays out. Also two, there is huge dynamic with the exporting of LNG of gas -- LNG that will not come online until about 2015 but that can create all the more demand for even an expensive priced gas in the Marcellus and other plays.

And then just one last, on the modular side commentary as to increased business activity in Texas. I am curious if you can add some color on that as well?

Yes, right in line with the Adler business, refineries, industrial work et cetera, Texas is a very busy market, very energy driven, the building of these LNG terminals, pipeline, reversing pipelines, turnarounds at plants, you can go down the list the whole petrochemical industry. So it’s been a very healthy market. And let’s not forget Texas is still adding about 70,000 new students annually. So there is educational demand et cetera, not to the levels we saw on the heydays in California but lot of infrastructure needs within the state and it’s a very -- if the economy in Texas comparably to other states is very healthy.

Our next question is from the line of Rick D'Auteuil with Columbia Management.

Just some follow ups on some questions that have been asked. So after you've redeployed some of the Marcellus assets in the Texas and surrounding area markets, and there is more to come. So where does Marcellus stand from the point of view of excess equipment today? Are we -- how much have you whittled down on the underutilization issue there?

I would just -- I won’t give any hard numbers -- I would maybe give you percentages here from a competitive standpoint. I would say in this -- and also with what we've -- I know we’ve already shipped in October, we probably when you look at the excess perhaps we’re 30% or a 1/3 to 1/2 of what I might expect to ship. Of course that’s a function of the demand level in the Northeast and it could be that come the end of the year we’re not going to ship any more, just based upon what we’re seeing in the first part of 2013. So it’s really difficult to say at this point but we have certainly through the end of October made good progress and as I said before the great majority of that equipment that’s shipping is for orders.

I know you said you expected more in Q4, so you think it’d be largely behind us by the end of the year?

I would love to see the Northeast as a whole, and the Marcellus and also all the needs and our growth in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic, because I look at the mid-Atlantic as pretty adjacent, be able to absorb with the rest of what’s there. That’s not an unrealistic forecast, I mean with what our point of view is today, although we have to see how that plays out.

How much -- if you look at utilization would that group -- you expected to be I don’t know 10% higher and then over the next couple of quarters, is that fair?

It’s hard to say because we’re entering -- we are also entering a seasonality period for Adler. The Q4 can be a slower time of the year and also into Q1 because of colder climate issues et cetera, but the good news in all of this is that we're expanding into the Ohio area. We’re building out our industrial business in the Northeast. We’re building in the mid-Atlantic. So we’re trying to do everything as appropriate around even the additional shale play in Ohio to where we can deploy those assets more regionally and utilize them at a higher-level much more quickly. But there's so many variables there, it’s just very hard to say. But I feel good about the number of different opportunities either within that region -- within the Northeast region or in adjacent regions plus what we will need elsewhere in the country.

The player that -- I know there was a very large player that -- multiple energy companies that basically dumped their whole position back on you. Are they out of the market or are they still a source of potential demand?

Are you talking about an end user of ours?

No, I am talking about a re-renter I guess to the sort of a middleman that sold that would put the equipment.

That is one of the -- that was probably the largest impacting item to the Marcellus dynamic. We have a very good relationship with a gas and oil field services company there and had a lot of equipment on rent through that party who in turn re-rents it to other -- multiple other end-users, or multiple end-users. And that was -- they also own x amount of their own fleet. So they did what any good business would do. They return our assets before they take theirs off rent. So still good relationship there, but that was the biggest piece of the wider Marcellus utilization level dropped in the 6 to 9 months.

So on the other issue that came up this quarter on the Enviroplex, I guess I am scratching my head, you guys have been in that business for a while. Did you take on a piece of business that you shouldn't have taken on? And I know you said you’re going to do a post-mortem on those things but I mean you must have already learned some lessons from this. Did somebody mis-bid it or was it a piece of business that really wasn't in your sweet spot and should have passed on?

I would lineup behind your comment that it was a new piece of business that wasn't in our sweet spot. And we thought we could manage it. We didn't manage it, and we’re paying the price. So -

Was it a project management issue or was it a "this isn’t our skill set" issue?

I have great confidence in our skill sets to manage this type of project. However I was -- we did not step up as we needed to do in the way of having all the appropriate resources in place to manage it appropriately and we could've done a considerably better job in executing on project management.

Our next question is from the line of Andy Debes with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Just wanted to start off with a quick question on Mobile Modular. Dennis, you mentioned sort of signs of a recovery in California. If we look at the numbers it looks like rental revenues are still down about the same amount as in 2Q. And it looks like bookings actually flattened. Compared to some of the markets outside California that appear to kind of see an uptick in both. Just speaking from your experience in the business can you kind of just elaborate on maybe expectations on timing or how -- signs of an uptick now might impact that business down the road?

I would say that we've been in this now for 5 years of challenges in the California market and anecdotally -- obviously there are some hard facts that I provided on the unemployment rate. There's no question there is somewhat of a mini boom in new home development especially in the Bay Area. When I drive to work every day and I drive home, I see the projects. So that's a good thing. At the same time the recovery in the state is very disparate between region. They still have a 15% to 17% unemployment rate in Central Valley and certain cities. And yet you have in the heart of Silicon Valley, it’s 5 or 6%. So it’s disparate but when you anecdotally -- when you weigh hard facts on the unemployment rate coming down, you look at the amount of new home building, you look at the commercial uptick that we are seeing, and you look -- and anecdotally you talk to your salespeople, sales management, et cetera. I mean it’s a much different atmosphere than it was 6 months ago. So there's no doubt in my mind that we’re on the right path here. I think utilization having been a stable as it has for some period of time it is a good reflector of that and obviously we’re having good increase outside the state. So California has a huge shortage of funding for public schools. There's no money available to build on, there's no money right currently to modernize them. Those potential are all areas of a goodness for our business and there has been so much austerity to date that it’s hard to know where they could get further but you never say never. So I just think when you go down the list of factual items, statistics, and anecdotal items, which I do pretty contiguously with -- or consistently with a different people. It feels like we’re definitely at the bottom, we’re coasting along. There’s upticks here and there from time to time, but I think the upside potential is very material. But the question will be what’s the timing of that recovery? And again I'm very much a realist. I have been in this for 5 years now and I'm not going to prognosticate as to how quickly, but it certainly feels like there is enough goodness out there that things should be lifting and hopefully will be reflective in our numbers for California in future quarters.

I guess just switching over to some extra questions on Adler. Maybe ask a previous question a different way, you gave good color on where some of the assets are going. Can you give us any sort of sense on how many assets have moved? Basically just trying to see I think utilization at quarter end was down about 1% sequentially. I am just trying to figure out how much the asset moves played into that number, seeming sort of stable?

If I am not mistaken I thought utilization at the end of the quarter was up approximately 2 percentage points from Q2.

Yes I will give you the numbers, Andy. And you can see these in the Q which was filed this afternoon. But quarter end utilization at the end of Q2 was 67.5%, and end of Q3 had risen to 69.4% and perhaps even more importantly the fleet was bigger at the end of Q3. So our equipment on rent went from $153 million at the end of Q2 to $166 million of the end of Q3. So that actually is an all time high for equipment on rent at quarter end.

I guess I was mostly just looking within the Marcellus region. I think you said in the region was 56%?

Yes, it was pretty flat compared to it was -- I mean there is not a significant difference there between quarters. But I don’t -- we’re moving in the right direction for competitive purposes, I won’t share any hard numbers about equipment movement. I can just tell you that of the excess as I mentioned earlier, when Rick was asking or some good questions, that as I said we’re probably 1/3 to 1/2 of what potentially could be moved. But we are also evaluating what’s within the region as well as what's in really adjacent regions, mid-Atlantic as well as the greater Ohio and Midwest market for movement.

And I guess just one additional question there. I think someone had done the math last time. Looking at the fracking revenues, you said they declined from 35% to 19%. But that was on 5% growth in the segment. I guess just kind of back of the envelope math there, it looks like a bigger decline in fracking revenues this quarter compared to last quarter. Is there any sort of material decreases in demand that’s driving that or is that still just a function of the movement of assets?

I think it is a combination of both. It’s a combination of certainly -- if you look at the rig count in the country, which I know a lot of individual on the call today follow and there is not as many rigs working and certainly not as many working in the dry gas area. So it’s a combination of both factors.

And Andy, I would just say you’re absolutely right with that math based on our disclosure. Rental revenues were up 5% year-over-year. The fracking portion of the mix was down 43% whereas the non-fracking was up 31%. So I think it’s just the sort of lingering mid-year challenge in that part of the business that we observed a little earlier and continue to feel some impact in the third quarter.

And just a couple of housecleaning issues with Enviroplex, I thought you had mentioned $7 million was the expected sales that got deferred. Is that -- can you just clarify that?

That’s correct. Some of that may hit in Q4 or Q1 or split between the two.

Any sense -- should we think about that as all is just a push to the right, is there any risk to actual loss of revenues there because of the delays?

No, at this point, we think it will make a positive gross margin, but it will be much lower than what we've achieved historically. Again historically in that business normal projects we get somewhere in the low to mid-20s percentage gross margin. For these particular projects it will be significantly below that. That’s our current expectations.

Our next question is a follow-up question from the line of Andrew Gadlin with CJS Securities.

Actually my question has been answered. Thank you.

Thank you. At this time, there are no further additional questions. I would like to pass the call back to Dennis Kakures for closing remarks.

Thank you operator. Let me thank everyone for joining us on the call this evening and we are looking forward to chatting with everyone again for our Q4 results which will be coming out in February, as well as at that time we will be providing full year guidance for the 2013 financial and calendar year. Thank you so much and take care.

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the McGrath RentCorp third quarter 2012 conference call. We like to thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.