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Mistras Group, Inc. (MG)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 10, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Mistras Group's earnings conference call for its third quarter ended September 30, 2017. My name is Carina, and I will be your event manager today. [Operator Instructions] Participating on the call from Mistras Group will be Dennis Bertolotti, the Company's President and Chief Executive Officer; Jon Wolk, Senior Executive Vice President, COO and acting CFO; and Dr. Sotirios Vahaviolos, Executive Chairman, who will be available for questions. I will now hand the conference over to Mr. Bertolotti. Please proceed.

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Carina, thank you very much. Good morning. On today's call we will review Mistras Group's financial results for the third quarter through September 30, 2017. Our third quarter was a mix of both good and not-so-good performance. On the one hand we had a nice upward move in Services, our largest segment, where revenue and profit trends continued their positive trend despite the literal headwinds of the summer hurricanes. Services still has plenty of room for operational improvement, and I'll update you on our action plan later in this call. On the other hand, our International and Products Systems segments had negative comparisons to prior year. But within these segments there were also positives, as some businesses are tracking nicely with plan, while others are three to six months of turning the corner and benefiting from their improvement actions that are underway. Ever since oil prices declined to their present range nearly three years ago, the industrial and energy sector has been challenging for the entire tech industry. Mistras has demonstrated its ability to understand this dynamic and operate profitably despite these challenges. Our business is gaining momentum, as demonstrated by our third quarter Services results, and we believe this will continue into the fourth quarter and through the spring of 2018. Although we have not yet completed our 2018 budgeting cycle, we are becoming optimistic that our focus on delivering value will help us gain market share as the market improves. The last three months have been a very busy and productive time at Mistras. We have taken a number of important repositioning actions to drive performance. These include: one, from a corporate perspective I assumed the CEO role in August, and Jon assumed the COO role at the same time. Simultaneously, we launched searches for two important positions,…

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Thank you, Dennis. I remind everyone that remarks made during this conference call will include some forward-looking statements. The company's actual results could differ materially from those projected. Some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ are discussed in the company's most recent transition report on Form 10-K and in other reports filed with the SEC. The discussion in this conference call will include certain financial measures that were not prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. Reconciliations of those non-U.S. GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable U.S. GAAP financial measures can be found in the tables contained in yesterday's press release and in our current -- related current report on Form 8-K. These reports are available in the company's website in the Investors section and on the SEC website. Before my financial update, I will provide an update on our CFO succession process. We have engaged a national search firm and are identifying a number of promising candidates. Fortunately, we have strong teams in both finance and operations, which is enabling me to perform both roles on a temporary basis. Now for the update. Revenues for the third quarter of 2017 were $179.6 million, 6% higher than the prior year's Q3. Services' Q3 revenues grew 8% over prior year, including low single-digit positive organic growth for the first time in more than a year. This growth was achieved despite a negative headwind of $1 million to $2 million from the 2017 hurricanes and continued weakness in a challenged region that includes a fairly large customer contract. Revenues for the remaining regions in Services improved at a double-digit rate in Q3 with mid-single-digit organic growth. After a strong Q1, International segment revenues fell 7% in Q2 and were up slightly in Q3 compared with prior year.…

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Thank you, Jon. I'll now provide a more complete description of our ongoing priorities and give a progress update. As I stated on our last conference call, our job is to solve our customers' problems better and before someone else does. We have launched several actions that are intended to increase our accountability, ownership, focus and speed of execution. These actions have three common themes: repositioning, investment and cost reduction. In my opening comments, I described the repositioning actions that we have taken in each of our three business segments. Each of these actions is intended to position us to move at speed to grow our business by solving big problems for our customers. Most immediate benefits from these actions are expected in the Services segment, where our four regional leaders have become the operational leaders of their respective regions of North America. I expect growth will be quickly stimulated and our ownership and competitiveness will rise. The speed of integrating new acquisitions has gone up substantially, not only from a systems and process point of view but more importantly, from a commercial integration aspect. Our 2017 acquisitions strongly exemplify this important focus. At the same time, our repositioning actions in our Products and Systems segment and in the U.K. will enable improvements starting in early 2018. Now that our repositioning initiative is moving, let's focus on our second initiative: investing in our capabilities to grow. Our view of the economy and its future direction shapes both our strategy and our acquisition focus. Predicting oil prices is above our pay grade, so our base case is that oil and gas prices remain in the relevant range they have traded in for nearly the last three years. Although recent headlines predict electric vehicles may eventually become the way of the future,…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question is from Andy Wittmann from Baird. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst

Great, good morning, guys.

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Morning, Andy

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Morning, Andy.

Andrew Wittmann

Analyst

I guess the question that I had to start out with was relative to the turnaround season. I guess you guys said it feels kind of more normal. Maybe if you looked at the areas where you do turnaround type services outside hurricane affected zones, can you tell us what the performance -- the revenue performance was and the kind of the conversations that you've had from clients on those sites. So maybe give us a little bit more texture behind what this more normal fall turnaround looks -- feels like?

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Yes, sure, Andy. This is Jon. I think that for us within the Gulf, which is the affected region certainly we had interruption for a week to two weeks, principally in the really affected sites. And as the units came back on, our guys were unable to go to the office. We paid them because it wasn't their fault that they weren't able to go to work. We set up things within the company to help our affected employees and so forth. So it was really a great effort by the company. In terms of the customers, pretty much about everybody got back online within a couple of weeks, and we're not hearing of any curtailment. Certainly things got pushed out a bit, but we haven't heard of any significant diminishments in expected work scope. Outside of the affected area, it's pretty much been business as planned. We've seen, if anything a slight organic pickup in several of those areas. It's not -- again, we call it a relatively normal fall so far compared to a weaker fall last year.

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Andy, its Dennis. I'd say the refineries that had planned activities outside of the hurricane affected, we did see some of them pushed by a few weeks just because there was so much of a percentage off line during the cleanup right immediately after the hurricane. But they didn't generally push it too long. They just wanted to make sure there was enough gas and oil products in the market, and then they started back up. So outside of that, like Jon said, it seems to be getting more and more normal. The customers are used to this kind of oil pricing and getting back to operation and business as usual.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst

Got it. I guess, I wanted to just build on that last question by getting -- trying to get a little bit more detail on your 2018 comments. It sounds like -- you guys made the comment that revenue is going to be growing faster. I guess on an organic basis, I wanted to kind of get your thoughts on that. Would you expect that the mid single digit that you're seeing kind of underlying the parts of the business here in fall is the way to think about the -- the overall revenue trend as you move into 2018? Is that the more normal pace that you're looking at?

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Yes. This is Dennis. Yes, I believe you're right on that. The last couple years it's been suppressed and it was harder to find someone who was optimistic about their budget. The customers have now got budget cycles that reflected the more normal spend, and we believe that 2018 should be kind of a good quarter for us compared to what we had been seeing.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Yes, the first quarter in particular. As we look out to the rest of 2018, I think client budgets are still being put together, Andy. So I think particularly we're optimistic in Q1. But I think as Dennis says, in general it feels like things are loosening up just a little bit.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst

All right, that's helpful. And then just kind of a cleanup question here, In the U.K. the job that hurt you in the quarter, is that job essentially done? I heard that you're making some adjustments to what you're doing there. I just don't know if that's like some sort of job that could come up and get you again here in the fourth quarter. But maybe just a little detail on that project.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Yes. It's Jon, Andy. I think as we end 2017 we'll be substantially complete on that. There might be a little bit of carryover for 2018, but we don't expect that we'll have an issue with that little bit of work that does carry over into 2018. And I think that's probably a line of business that we'll look to, if not exit, then certainly substantially modify going forward.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst

Great. That’s all I had, have a nice day guys.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Edward Marshall from Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Hey guys, good morning.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Good morning, Ed.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

So I wanted to ask in the press release you talked about one challenged region within Services. Where and what's the scope of the revenue associated with that business line?

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Yes. Ed, for competitive reasons, we'd rather not disclose that.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Okay. And I guess switching gears, a competitor reported last night. It looks like you had organic growth in the comparable segments. It looks like you performed better. What do you think is driving that? Is that a regional thing? Or do you think that's something to do with Mistras specifically that you're doing that's adding a little bit of a competitive advantage for you? Maybe you can talk about that.

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Yes. This is Dennis. I mean it's harder for us to speak to their issues. But I would say from what Mistras is seeing and what we're doing, we have a really good feel for where we're at. We have a really good feel for the reorganization and being able to look at actions we need to take. I mean, all markets are challenged and you only can do so much within your bandwidth. But I still think there's some room to improve within any market. And I think we're at a point we're doing better at it now than we had been in the past. So if I compare Mistras to Mistras a year ago, we're much stronger. Compared to a competitor, it's hard for me to have that inside visibility.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Let me ask it directly. Do you think you're taking share?

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

I believe we're going to keep up with the market growth, if not maybe, once in a while, gain on it. So the only way to gain on the market growth would be -- where it's coming is taking some share from whomever. I mean, we can't point to where it's at. We believe the consolidation of this kind of market goes towards the bigger companies with more and more services that customers want to bundle up so...

Edward Marshall

Analyst

I see. And then, talking about the acquisition for a second of Rope Access. It looks very similar to other deals that's been done in the space. I'm curious, what drives your focus on acquisitions? Is it the lack of technology you want to add to the group? Or is it geographic? Or what drives the motivation behind the deals?

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Good question. It's Dennis. Years ago, it used to be geographic. We believe, we have a good footprint now. So there -- while there might be a market here and there that at we place, I would say the bulk of our acquisitions is to -- right now, it's about that diversification and service line adding on getting value. This last one you spoke of, yes, it's Rope Access. And yes, we have Rope Access in other locations. Specifically, this one had two key points. It wasn't a geographic area focus of ours. We're there already, but we consider the market for a lot of growth. And it also not only to put people at height, but it was doing things that we weren't doing in a lot of locations. All this mechanical services at height is quite a bit different from what we had been doing. Most of our at-height work was NDT-related types of projects. This is more of getting the equipment ready to and post-NDT inspection. So that mechanical all plays into this value-added, where one customer can use us for more than just the NDT itself. They can -- we can prep and put back. And that, we believe, is a big difference. So that was why we -- that, and the geographic made it a home run for us.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

And how do you see that kind of, I hate the word, revenue synergies across the business as they take certain product lines that this business does and that was absent from Mistras in the past and kind of spread it across the business?

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

We believe that's a part of why we're excited about the future. We believe we can take advantage of looking at these things. Look, every customer out there is still trying to find a way to get the job done cheaper, and we think we can do it by having these integrated teams, which may not be as large as if you were separate companies but larger than what we had when we're just doing one service or one type of service. So we're going to win and the customer is going to win. So we think we can do well in this kind of market.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Got it. Thanks very much guys.

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Thanks, Ed.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Bobby Burleson from Canaccord. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Bobby Burleson

Analyst

Hey good morning.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Morning, Bobby.

Bobby Burleson

Analyst

I guess just with the oil rebounding a little bit here at one point a few months ago, we were kind of wondering making sure there wasn't going to be another leg down maybe in activity now. It's a little bit better as a market. Wondering if you can just kind of run through your energy exposure upstream, midstream, refinery and just kind of characterize what the demand trends look like now.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Okay. Bobby, its Jon. I'll try and take that. So our biggest concentration within oil and gas would be downstream. That's roughly 2:1 compared to midstream and upstream, so as in order of magnitude. In downstream, I think Dennis spoke to some of the competitive opportunities. It's still a challenged market. I mean, the entire market is still a challenge to me. We're all glad to see the oil price on the rise right now. Never quite sure how much is going to stick or increase or what have you. As Dennis said in his comments, it's tough for us to predict and we don't really try to. So we're really focused at the customer level. Downstream feels like it's spending a bit more, so the fall turnaround season seems like it's healthier than last year's. And the same thing, outlook for the spring of 2018 feels the same way. In upstream, I'm not sure we've really seen much of a change although upstream we're doing well. We're feeling good about our growth there because of some of the acquisition activity that Dennis described. And in midstream, that's probably the part of the market that's maybe poised to grow the most. Those FENSA regulations are kind of looming out there. When they do get enacted, I think that will drive something. But in the meantime, there's a decent amount of pipeline construction going on, and we're fairly busy in that part of the market.

Bobby Burleson

Analyst

Okay. And then in terms of aerospace it sounds like Safran's positive for you guys. But as we kind of look out going forward for potentially broadening the opportunity, can you give us kind of an update on the time line in terms of broadening out, maybe, the customers that you're working with, some of the services you're deploying in aerospace? And kind of how do you see that long-term growth rate?

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Well, it's Dennis. The Safran contract we think will start coming online in 2018. And by mid-2018 it will be closer to being what we expect for the full run rate annually. So we think that's good for France. But we have a lot of focus on it here in domestic North American market as well. A lot of the acquisition focus we're looking at is looking at the aerospace market. And the same type of value added that we speak of in mechanical, services and NDT in the field applications of oil, gas and chemical customers really plays the same way in aerospace. So we believe those same kind of opportunities exist. There's many, many stops in aerospace or a forge house or whatever that takes -- to get their product to get it sold. And the more that we can help them and take those steps and put them under one house, one roof and not have to truck things back and forth, the more the customers win, and the same thing for us. So I mean, we think we have a very realistic chance of increasing our aerospace market and percentages as well going forward. And we believe it's a healthy market that while all have ups and downs this one's had a longer up than normal recently. And we believe there's still some legs to it.

Bobby Burleson

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just one last quick one, with mechanical I'm assuming you're still looking for operating margins kind of in line with your overall Services margins there. Have you talked about maybe what the mix of Services revenue could be for mechanical looking out a couple years from now?

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Bobby, its Jon. On the first part of your statement, yes, we do see the operating margins so far for mechanical services to be at least as good as the NDT operating margins, certainly in line. And I don't know that we've got a stated goal for sort of what the blend or mix of Services will be. I think that will be kind of a moving target, depending upon where the market is going and where our customers take us. But certainly, we see an increasing proportion of mechanical services to the total, just not quite sure if I'd be ready to throw a percentage out right now.

Bobby Burleson

Analyst

I mean, is it sort of slow and steady progress there? Is it kind of a step function as that comes online more meaningfully?

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

It's a really good question. Certainly with this acquisition in Canada, that was a step function for us because that kind of put us to a much higher trajectory than we would've been on absent that acquisition. And we're very excited about this team and its interaction within the market and the possibilities there. And we think we feel very good about that. So I think if we make similar acquisitions in that space, certainly, that will be more of a step function. Absent that, I think it will be more of [Indiscernible] build out.

Bobby Burleson

Analyst

Okay, thanks a lot.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Sure. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question is from Tahira Afzal from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Thank you. Hi, Dennis and Jon and congrats, a pretty decent quarter.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Thank you.

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Thank you Tahira.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

So this is probably the most positive I've heard you guys talk about the general macro environment. I know you have some moving parts and you've been proactive about being positioned for an improvement. But is -- are we at a point where if the spring momentum continues that you could return to organic mid-to-high revenue growth?

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Well, Tahira, it's Jon. We'd sure love to be able to say yes to that question, but I think it's probably too early to tell. For the next six months, we feel pretty positive about the market. And as we get a little bit deeper into that six month period of time, we'll have a better feeling for it.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess the next question for me is -- and Dennis, I know you've we've talked about this in the past as being about some of the technologies that are coming and sort of sometimes complementing your space and sometimes pairing back some of the work. Your folks seem to be fairly advanced on the cutting edge of a lot of these technologies. So as maintenance work moves or integrates more technology into its mix, do you, over the longer term, see yourselves gaining market share?

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Good question. I think we do. I mean, there's a lot of things in an inspections space that are changing from the way it used to be, the speed of data and getting it from the field to the customer and things like that. There's a lot of chances for us to do things differently. And I think that it starts to differentiate yourself -- of the bigger players from all the smaller players when I started my career so many years ago about trying to do one thing very well and not integrate all the services and capabilities. It's going to be a lot harder for all those folks to try to keep up with what's going on and going to a customer who wants all these things done as well as cleaning up the area before and after and all that. It's just becoming a chance for those who have the capability integrated to really stand out from the crowd.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

Yes. Tahira, its Jon. I guess what I'd add to Dennis' statement is that our mission is to be a one source provider.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Right.

Jonathan Wolk

Analyst

And I think as a one source provider, integrating the kinds of services is part of the secret sauce of doing that. Certainly as you alluded to, we do combine products and services and software together. So I think that combination adding the mechanical services to it, I think playing that convergence theme is going to really be part of the growth story.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Okay. And yes I guess last question, which is thematic as well. I know you folks have already gained quite a bit of expertise and experience now in the aerospace industry. From my research, it seems like space exploration is going to be one of the fastest growing areas going forward over the next decade. Any thoughts about how you want to look at that as an opportunity as well?

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

I think right now our focus is on just doing the things that we know. But we're also looking at -- they're getting into exotic materials, composites and new metals and stuff for additional strength and weight reduction and design and 3D printing, and there's just a lot of different things that are out there. And I think it's really our job to keep an eye on what's going on and find out how we can add value. So I absolutely agree with you. I may not have all the ideas that we will have a year from now because I think as we go and grow into this, I think we're going to learn more and find other areas where customers will actually even ask us to join them and help them out. That's been part of the fun of this, is they're looking for other ideas, and they bring us into things that we didn't even think of.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Got it. Thank you folks and congrats again.

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Thank you, thank you Tahira.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions on the phone at this time. I now turn the call back over to Mr. Dennis Bertolotti.

Dennis Bertolotti

Analyst

Okay. Well, I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today, and we wish everyone a great and safe day.