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Methode Electronics, Inc. (MEI)

Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Jun 21, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Methode Electronics fiscal year 2018 fourth quarter earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. This conference call does contain forward-looking statements, which reflects management's expectations regarding future events and operating performance and speak only as of the date hereof. These forward-looking statements are subject to a safe harbor protection provided under the securities laws. Methode undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statements to conform the statements to actual results or changes in Methode's expectations on a quarterly basis or otherwise. Forward-looking statements in this conference call involve a number of risks and uncertainties. The factors that cause these actual results to differ materially from our expectations are detailed in Methode's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, such as our annual and quarterly reports. Such factors may include, without limitation, the following, dependence on a small number of large customers, including two large automotive customers, dependence on the automotive, appliance, computer and communication industries, investment in programs prior to the recognition of revenue, timing quality and cost of new program launches, ability to withstand price pressure, including pricing reductions, currency fluctuations, customary risks related to conducting global operations, ability to successfully market and sell to Dabir Surfaces, dependence on our supply chain, income tax rate fluctuations, dependence on the availability and price of raw materials, fluctuations in our gross margins, ability to withstand business interruptions, ability to keep pace with rapid technological changes, breach of our information technology systems, ability to avoid design or manufacturing defects, ability to compete effectively, ability to protect our intellectual property, successfully benefit from acquisitions and divestitures, recognition of goodwill impairment charges, significant adjustments to expense based on the probability of meeting certain performance levels in our long-term incentive plan, success of Pacific Insight and Procoplast and/or our ability to implement and profit from new applications of the acquired technology and costs and expenses due to regulations regarding conflict materials. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Don Duda, President and Chief Executive Officer of Methode Electronics.

Don Duda

President

Thank you Sherry and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our fiscal 2018 fourth quarter and full year financial results conference call. I am joined today by Ron Tsoumas, our Chief Financial Officer. Both Ron and I have comments and afterwards, we will take your questions. First, I would like to congratulate Ron on his well-deserved promotion to Chief Financial Officer. He is a 34 year veteran of the company and is well suited to lead our finance team as CFO. Moving on to review the financials. Year-over-year, fiscal 2018 sales increased 13.3% in the fourth quarter to $29.3 million. Fiscal 2018 sales improved 11.2% to a record $908.3 million. Earnings per share increased to $0.98 from $0.62 in the fourth quarter of last year. In the fiscal 2018 fourth quarter, the company recognized a tax benefit of $10.5 million or $0.28 per share related to foreign investment tax credits and a change in the provisional estimate related to U.S. tax reform. For the year, earnings per share decreased to $1.52 from $2.48. In fiscal 2018, the company recognized a tax charge of $53.7 million or $1.43 per share due to the enactment of the U.S. tax reform. The fourth quarter and year benefited from higher sales in the automotive and power product segments, increased international government grants and lower legal fees. The full year also benefited from lower expense for stock award amortization and the gain from the sale of exclusive rights for a licensing agreement. The fourth quarter and year were negatively impacted by higher wages and compensation, travel and intangible asset amortization expense, increased investment in Dabir, customer price reductions and unfavorable commodity pricing. The year was also negatively impacted by acquisition related expenses and purchase accounting adjustments, unfavorable currency impact and the…

Ron Tsoumas

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you Don. Good morning everyone. I have a few brief comments on the quarter and full year period. Before I begin my commentary, I want to clarify that my comments include seven months and nine months of results for our acquisitions of Pacific Insight and Procoplast respectively. The company's effective tax rate was 54% for the fiscal year ended 2018 based on a tax expense of approximately $67 million. This higher tax expense was a result of a few significant events that occurred during the year. First, the U.S. enacted the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in December 2017. This resulted in a total tax reform charge of approximately $54 million or $1.43 per share for the year. This charge is comprised of two components. The tax toll charge of $49 million, which was primarily related to accumulated overseas profits and the remaining $5 million was due to the remeasurement of net deferred tax assets. In addition, the company recorded a discrete tax benefit of $7.4 million related to investment tax credits resulting from a tax law change in a foreign jurisdiction which occurred in the fourth quarter. U.S. tax reform reduces the statutory U.S. federal tax rate from 35% to a blended 30% for 2018 and will further be reduced to 21% for fiscal year 19 and beyond. For the fourth quarter, the company reported an effective tax rate benefit of 19%. This was primarily driven by the benefit from the tax law change in the foreign jurisdiction of $7.4 million and a tax expense reduction to the provisional estimate for U.S. tax reform of $3.1 million. The two adjustments combined to $10.5 million or $0.28 per share. Without these two discrete tax items, the fourth quarter tax rate would have been 14.6%. For the full year of…

Don Duda

Operator

Ron, thank you very much. Sherry, we are ready to take questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question is from Christopher Van Horn with B. Riley FBR. Please proceed with your question.

Christopher Van Horn

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please proceed with your question

Good morning. Thanks for taking the call.

Don Duda

Operator

Good morning.

Christopher Van Horn

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please proceed with your question

I was hoping you could comment on Procoplast and Pacific Insight and where we are in the integration and kind of your vision of getting to kind of improving the margin structure there and getting it more into the Methode line of margins? And then maybe comment on any revenue or cost synergies that you see really you can take advantage of?

Don Duda

Operator

Sure. We are knee-deep in integrating the back-office functions where we see some near-term benefits from that. Most of the action we are taking are on our deck for this year. Procoplast, in particular, we need to get the cost of quality in line with ours and we are taking significant actions to do that and I would anticipate that we will make significant progress this year with them. Without being specific to customers, Procoplast has their ongoing customer relationships, has afforded us a number of RFQs, nothing that we won but certainly we are seeing more opportunities there than that we would have without Procoplast. So that is proceeding as planned and integral to our earnings this year and also to 2020. Moving on to Pacific Insight, I would say the same. That's a larger operation. So there is much more going on in the production areas which Methode excels at. I think the team has identified a number of areas that they can reduce costs in. We do have to be sensitive to our customers. They have to approve the changes we want to make as we do in any of our automotive lines. So that's proceeding. We are seeing more opportunities with them. I talked about TouchSensor. That's a minor win, but it does demonstrate that our teams are working together to garner business. Pacific Insight has been slightly impacted by some of the changes at Ford. And we have taken that into account. They are much more heavily weighted towards passenger cars. Right now they did win the F-150, but that hasn't launched yet. So they have been affected by that and we pretty much took that into account when we looked at their projections and when we priced the purchase of that. So there are really no surprises there but we did have to take that into our guidance. But, again, I would say that's going as planned. So in summary, that is our mission in fiscal 2019 is to get them to our standard margins because while they are impacting positively our income and our sales, they are affecting margins because of the mix there.

Christopher Van Horn

Analyst · the action we are taking are on our deck for this year. Procoplast, in particular, we need to get the cost of quality in line with ours and we are taking significant actions to do that and I would anticipate that we will make significant progress this year with them. Without being specific to customers, Procoplast has their ongoing customer relationships, has afforded us a number of RFQs, nothing that we won but certainly we are seeing more opportunities there than that we would have without Procoplast. So that is proceeding as planned and integral to our earnings this year and also to 2020. Moving on to Pacific Insight, I would say the same. That's a larger operation. So there is much more going on in the production areas which Methode excels at. I think the team has identified a number of areas that they can reduce costs in. We do have to be sensitive to our customers. They have to approve the changes we want to make as we do in any of our automotive lines. So that's proceeding. We are seeing more opportunities with them. I talked about TouchSensor. That's a minor win, but it does demonstrate that our teams are working together to garner business. Pacific Insight has been slightly impacted by some of the changes at Ford. And we have taken that into account. They are much more heavily weighted towards passenger cars. Right now they did win the F-150, but that hasn't launched yet. So they have been affected by that and we pretty much took that into account when we looked at their projections and when we priced the purchase of that. So there are really no surprises there but we did have to take that into our guidance. But, again, I would say that's going as planned. So in summary, that is our mission in fiscal 2019 is to get them to our standard margins because while they are impacting positively our income and our sales, they are affecting margins because of the mix there

Got it. Thanks for all the detail there. And then from a macro perspective, have you guys looked at the potential and I know it's early and I know we don't really anything done yet, but have you looked at the potential impact of a NAFTA tariff or in addition, have you looked at any impact from the Chinese tariffs as well?

Don Duda

Operator

Well, from a macro level we have. We really have to wait for the fine print on all of those from a tariff standpoint. We have sketched out contingency plans but it really will be dictated, Chris, by our customers. They will tell us what they want us to do. And that's all I can comment on. It's just really sales. We just have to wait and see what happens. NAFTA, again, we operate as maquila. So there is some benefit there, but again if the tariffs are put on then that would affect us as well. But that's about as far as I can go with that.

Christopher Van Horn

Analyst · those from a tariff standpoint. We have sketched out contingency plans but it really will be dictated, Chris, by our customers. They will tell us what they want us to do. And that's all I can comment on. It's just really sales. We just have to wait and see what happens. NAFTA, again, we operate as maquila. So there is some benefit there, but again if the tariffs are put on then that would affect us as well. But that's about as far as I can go with that

Okay. Got it. And then lastly for me. The radio remote control had some good strength in the quarter. Could you just comment on what you are seeing on there? And then maybe a little bit of a follow-on. It seems like transmission leadframe volumes are declining in both Asia and North America. And I just wondered, was that a program roll-off and are there opportunities maybe to, if that is the case, are there opportunities to backfill that? Thanks.

Don Duda

Operator

Yes. Let me answer that one first. That leadframe goes into passenger car transmission. So we are going to be at the mercy of what the customers - and we are Tier 2 on that to Continental. So that's going to ebb and flow with pass cars. That has that not been announced but that's going end-of-life. It's been on a long run. Transmission program has run a long time, but that's just normal fluctuations in business. But there are also some price reductions in there to, which off the top of my head, I don't recall what those were, that contributed to a decline there. But we have seen that in the past. As far as Hetronic, I have to give the Hetronic team a plug here because they have done an excellent job of reducing their costs, introducing new products, reducing their inventory and probably most importantly, reducing the lead time. And that's key in that business. If you have a $0.5 million piece of machinery that you want to ship and you don't have radio remote control for it, well, you can't ship it but our team has jumped through hoops to improve dramatically, improve their on-time delivery plus shorten their lead times and that translates into more business. Because those customers, they will pay the prices that we offer because of the lead time. It's not a pricing issue, it's a lead time issue often times and so I think the team has done an excellent job in that business and we are seeing that. And we believe we are going to continue to see it going forward.

Christopher Van Horn

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Great. Thanks for the time.

Don Duda

Operator

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from David Leiker with Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Hi. Good morning everyone.

Don Duda

Operator

Good morning David.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

So some of this has been answered, but if you look at the automotive business, organically you are down 7%. How much of that can be attributed to the leadframe business?

Don Duda

Operator

We can get you that number. I don't want to guess, but I don't want to say it's significant but we would have to calculate that number.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Okay. Because the broader question I was going to ask is, if you could fill in the blanks or details a little bit of that organic growth being negative 7% where you have been running mid to upper single digits here and then what that swing factor was in Q4?

Don Duda

Operator

I am hesitating because I don't want to get in the customer specifics. I am trying to figure out how to answer that. Let's talk about Asia. Our steering angle sensor business was down there just as a result of customer demand. And then overall, our North American business was down with Europe being up. But Dave, I can't get into specifics because I would end up talking about customer volumes and so on. But that's really, Europe was up, Asia is down because of steering angle sensors and as also mentioned leadframes and just U.S. volumes were less.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Let me come at it this way. So if we looked at and for the sounds of it, it seems these are more customer mix or product mix related issues than business that's running off or new business that's slow to launch? Is that fair?

Don Duda

Operator

Yes. It is, as I have often said, we cannot affect revenues other than to ship everything a customer wants in a given fiscal year. We are booking now for really 2021. So yes, it is demand. And the price reductions go into affect the first of the year. So you have to take into account price reductions at the beginning of the calendar year. So all of that contributed to where we are.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Okay. As we look at the 2019 guidance, you male the comment, I am going to throw out the three things here and you can just fill in the blanks here. But you were talking about the automotive launches are backend loaded in the year. Is that what they always were? Or have those been pushed back a bit?

Don Duda

Operator

No. We went back and tracked and those has always been late in the year.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Okay. The laundry?

Don Duda

Operator

We will see the benefit of them in 2020.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Okay. And then the laundry --

Don Duda

Operator

When I say late in the year, I mean --

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Okay. And then on the laundry side --

Don Duda

Operator

That was a delay by the customer. We didn't lose any business. They just and not for any Methode or TouchSensor reasons, the customer delayed the launch. And so we are that occurred in our fourth quarter.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

And then on the cost actions you are taking. It sounds like these are actions that are beyond what you would normally do for your typical cost reduction to offset price downs. Can you just give a little background on what you are doing there and what's precipitated it?

Don Duda

Operator

As I said, I really don't want to comment on specific actions because we are still sorting through exactly how we will implement some of those but those are across the board. As we look at our businesses, we have acquired companies, we have exited companies, we felt that as we wind down the launch of a major program we looked at to how should we adjust our expenses, is probably a good way of putting it going forward. And we do want to reduce the complexity of Methode. You have seen us exit a couple of businesses. So that's what that's geared to and we will see the benefit of that in 2020.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Okay. And then one last item. I appreciate the comments you made as it relates to 2020. If I recall correctly, last quarter, maybe the quarter before, that's a $200 million EBITDA number. It would seem to me like that's still intact. Or is that something that we need to be looking at adjusting?

Don Duda

Operator

No. That's really why I made that comment. I always give the disclaimer that it depends on what the auto market does and what the economy does but we anticipate the lawsuit ending. We are not going to reoccur the initiatives we just talked about. So there's a number of things that, if you do the math, gets close to that number. And then we have to execute, of course, on improved sales, but it's not much of a gap as one might initially look at.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Well, it seems from the announcement that you have made over the last several years, most of the revenue that you need for that has already been booked in contract. So it's just a matter of some of these exogenous things, mix and build rates and things like that.

Don Duda

Operator

What's very interesting about the automotive business is that normally there is a predictability to it. You get some fluctuations based on the customer demands but our job for 2020 is to launch everything successfully, watch our expenses and then we do need to grow our non-automotive businesses which right now we are doing quite well. As I mentioned earlier to Christopher, l am very pleased with what Hetronic is doing and power is having a very good year and Dabir our mission this year is to get multiple hospitals in our health system. So there is work to do but we are feeling very good about that.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

And then just to close the loop on all of this, it sounds like the actions that you are taking now looking to 2020 are to help to offset some of these mix related issues that are headwinds. So that jump from 2019 to 2020, part of it is already booked, the other part, some of these cost actions fill the gap that you are missing right now on the guidance?

Don Duda

Operator

Yes. I couldn't say it better.

David Leiker

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Co. Please proceed

Okay. Thank you.

Don Duda

Operator

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from David Wetherell with Oberweis Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

David Wetherell

Analyst · Oberweis Asset Management. Please proceed with your question

Good morning gentlemen. Thank you very much for your time and for taking the call this morning. I just have one very quick question and that is related to the price reduction scheme. Without going into any detail, of course, with respect to terms of your contracts with your customers, do you get the sense, do you believe that you have seen increased purchase volumes and will see increased purchase volumes as a result of the price concessions you have given?

Don Duda

Operator

That's a very good question. The automakers don't, as a matter of practice, tie cost reductions to new business. You have to remain what is referred to as green from a number of aspects. You have to be launching well, be supporting the factories and routinely giving them cost reductions or price reduction opportunities and that's a heated negotiation every year, but in the end, why we do that is that we want to say in the favorable graces of the automakers. And so we plan for that in our operations and generally it gets much harder towards the tail end of the program. We have been able to offset that with cost reductions in our own factories. That's probably all I can say, if you don't do it, we are not going to book more business and that's, as I just said to David, one of the nice things about automotive is its predictability. One of the things that's not so nice is there is constant pressure for price reductions. And that's just part and parcel of being in the automotive business.

David Wetherell

Analyst · aspects. You have to be launching well, be supporting the factories and routinely giving them cost reductions or price reduction opportunities and that's a heated negotiation every year, but in the end, why we do that is that we want to say in the favorable graces of the automakers. And so we plan for that in our operations and generally it gets much harder towards the tail end of the program. We have been able to offset that with cost reductions in our own factories. That's probably all I can say, if you don't do it, we are not going to book more business and that's, as I just said to David, one of the nice things about automotive is its predictability. One of the things that's not so nice is there is constant pressure for price reductions. And that's just part and parcel of being in the automotive business

No. That's very helpful color. Thank you very much. Let me ask just one more related to that, if you don't mind, because your answer is a little bit of a question. I was curious whether there is relationship building as well with that maintaining the positive relationship with the automakers and those price reductions, can you tell whether you believe it's tied more to the customers seeing competitive pressures across the industry or the fact that Methode has been hitting these very positive benchmarks along the way?

Don Duda

Operator

I have been asked that question before. That pressure is constant and it is high pressure. So in good times the automakers looking for through the same reductions in bad times. As I said, it's a fact of life in auto and for the most part we have good relationships with our customers, but it does get a little difficult when you are looking at price reduction because that takes the topline and the bottomline. Those are painful. I don't know about more I can say. I suppose in certain instances there is more pressure, but for the most part, I would say it's constant and it's intense.

David Wetherell

Analyst · Oberweis Asset Management. Please proceed with your question

Okay. So is it fair to say that the pricing reductions you have seen this year is in line with what you see on an annual basis?

Don Duda

Operator

Yes, absolutely. We did comment last quarter and I commented in our prepared remarks is that one of our customers in North America negotiated a price reduction on displays. We don't make the display itself. We become what, that's actually the display supplier becomes what's called a directed sub to us but then since that's part of our cost of goods sold, that price reduction is passed directly through to the customer. So in this instance, we saw $14 million less revenue, not because of really anything in the marketplace or anything because of Methode, it's just the price reduction that the automaker received. So we do get those occasionally and I think the prior year was $25 million, if I remember it correctly. So that's the other thing we take into account, not so much from a bottomline standpoint, but from a topline. So you get the cost reductions and I think I said, they are average for an auto supplier plus occasionally you get something like that and we usually call that out as far up in advance as we can.

David Wetherell

Analyst · Oberweis Asset Management. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Thank you very much. I sincerely appreciate your time again and the color you have offered on that. That's all I had.

Don Duda

Operator

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Steve Dyer with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst · Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed

Hi guys. It's Ryan Sigdahl, on for Steve. Just a couple of quick ones for us. You mentioned the Coke award. I didn't catch. Did you give how big that award is?

Don Duda

Operator

No. I didn't. As I was reading that I realized we didn't. It's sub $1 million. I just wanted to mention it because, one it's Coca-Cola, it is also involves our Pacific Insight group working with TouchSensor and we see that as an avenue for our TouchSensor group to garner more business. But it's sub $1 million. It will run five, six, seven years, as I would expect.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst · Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed

And is there opportunity to grow it then? I know you said, I mean Coke is obviously big, $1 million a year. Do you think you can grow that pretty meaningfully or is that the endgame there?

Don Duda

Operator

No. I believe it can. That's really why I mentioned it. A good collaboration with the two groups, I like that. And just as lighting and the vehicle is very important today, point-of-sale is important and it's not necessarily easy to do and if you look at the interior of a vehicle, you need uniform lighting. Well, point-of-sale, it's very challenging too. That's not something that you can go to a third-party that doesn't have expertise in lighting and just have them put some LEDs in the display. So you are right, we should be able to grow that area and again that's why I mentioned it.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst · Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed

All right. And then you guys have had an international government grant. So do you expect anything in fiscal 2019?

Don Duda

Operator

We apply for them. And we have had two years in a row, I believe. But that's something I can't guarantee because really we are dealing with a government entity and that's not an exact science, let's put it that way. But we certainly apply for it.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst · Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed

So safe to assume, nothing is included in guidance. That would be incremental upside there?

Don Duda

Operator

Yes. It would.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst · Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed

All right. Lastly, digging into the 2020 EBITDA target, $200 million. Don, you mentioned the need to grow non-auto business. Previously Dabir was a big part of that plan, but it seems like there is a bigger emphasis on power, Hetronic et cetera now. Have expectations been lowered for Dabir and then offset by the other stuff? Or is the ramp still as it was before there? Thanks.

Don Duda

Operator

Yes. I would say that's equal. We mentioned power and Hetronic, I was thinking TouchSensor for a second, because they have had the issues in the past and we have taken corrective actions, both from a management standpoint and internally I spend a lot of time on Hetronic a few minutes ago. So us emphasizing them does not diminish Dabir. It's just that those are integral to our plan and now they are starting to hit their stride and it was worth talking about. Dabir, this is a pivotal year for Dabir in that it needs to penetrate multiple hospitals in a system. The team has done a good job of one hospital that we just talked about Florida hospital. Well, there is a number of hospitals in that system. We need to go beyond just having one hospital. So this is a critical year for Dabir. But if we going to 2020 and we are not where we need to be on Dabir, we have other contingencies there, but I don't mean to deemphasize Dabir, but I thought it was appropriate we talk about these other groups.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst · time on Hetronic a few minutes ago. So us emphasizing them does not diminish Dabir. It's just that those are integral to our plan and now they are starting to hit their stride and it was worth talking about. Dabir, this is a pivotal year for Dabir in that it needs to penetrate multiple hospitals in a system. The team has done a good job of one hospital that we just talked about Florida hospital. Well, there is a number of hospitals in that system. We need to go beyond just having one hospital. So this is a critical year for Dabir. But if we going to 2020 and we are not where we need to be on Dabir, we have other contingencies there, but I don't mean to deemphasize Dabir, but I thought it was appropriate we talk about these other groups

Great. And then actually one last one. Just to confirm that 2020 target of $200 million, that's an organic number, right?

Don Duda

Operator

Yes. That's all organic, yes.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst · Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed

All right. Thanks guys. Good luck.

Don Duda

Operator

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

Don Duda

Operator

Sherry, thank you very much and we thank everyone for listening today and have a good and safe summer. Thank you everyone.