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Methode Electronics, Inc. (MEI)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Jun 25, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Methode Electronics Fiscal 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only-mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. This conference call does contain certain forward-looking statements, which reflect Management's expectations regarding future events and operating performance and speak only as of the date hereof. These forward-looking statements are subject to the Safe Harbor protection provided under the Securities Laws. Methode undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statements to confirm the statements to actual results or changes in Methode's expectations on a quarterly basis or otherwise. Forward-looking statements in this conference call involve a number of risks and uncertainties. The factors that could cause these actual results to differ materially from our expectations are detailed in Methode's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, such as our annual and quarterly reports. Such factors may include, without limitations, the following: dependence on a small number of large customers, including two large automotive customers; dependence on the automotive appliance, computer and communications industries, investment in programs prior to the recognition of revenue; timing, quality and cost of new program launches; ability to withstand price pressure; including price concession, dependence on our supply chain; dependence on the availability and price of raw materials; customary risks related to conducting global operations; currency fluctuations; income tax rate fluctuations; fluctuations in our gross margins; the recognition of goodwill impairment charges; ability to keep pace with rapid technological changes; location of a significant amount of cash outside of the U.S. ability to successfully benefit from acquisitions and divestitures, ability to avoid design or manufacturing defects; ability to protect our intellectual property; ability to compete effectively; ability to withstand business interruptions; a breach of our information technology systems; and costs and expenses due to regulations regarding complex minerals. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Don Duda, President and Chief Executive Officer of Methode Electronics.

Don Duda

President

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our fiscal 2015 financial results conference call. I am joined today by Ron Tsoumas, our Controller and Treasurer. Doug Koman, our Chief Financial Officer is unable to join us this morning due to a personal matter. Both Ron and I have comments and afterwards we'll be pleased to take your questions. As we reported this morning, fiscal 2015 sales, income from operations and earnings were the highest in our company's history. Year-over-year the strengthening of the US dollar compared to the euro had the effect of reducing net sales by $7.5 million or 3.2% in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2015 and by $10.9 million or 1.7% in the full year, the majority of which is related to our automotive business. As a result, year-over-year fourth quarter sales grew 1% and full year sales grew 14% driven mainly by higher North American automotive and power product sales, partially offset by decreased interface sales. Fourth quarter consolidated gross margins increased 380 basis point for the full year and for the full year improved 450 basis points, driven mainly in both periods by manufacturing efficiencies as well as increased volume at our lower cost manufacturing facility in Egypt. As in the third quarter favorable raw material commodity pricing in both the Automotive and Power Product segments positively affected fourth quarter margins. For both periods, consolidated gross margins were negatively impacted by higher development cost in our Interface and other segments, specifically for our Data Group's 10-gig copper transceiver products and the Dabir Therapeutic Surface and by pricing concessions in our Automotive segment. We are however very pleased with the efficiency with which all of our manufacturing facilities worldwide are operating and I congratulate our teams on their continuous efforts…

Ron Tsoumas

Management

Thank you, Don and good morning everyone. I have just a few brief comments on the quarter and full-year periods. As Don mentioned, our year-over-year fourth quarter and full year sales were negatively impacted by the translation of sales of foreign operations mainly due to the strengthening of the USD primarily against the Euro. Additionally, other income expense net related to the effect of foreign currency improved $800,000 for the full year. Because we no longer had a net operating loss valuation allowance to shelter domestic book income in fiscal '15, the full year tax rate was 16.4%. If you adjust for the valuation allowance releases totaling $8.6 million, the effective tax rate for fiscal '15 was 23.5%, which is in line with our guidance range of a mid 20% tax rate. In fiscal '15 we had certain domestic tax net operating losses available, which kept U.S. Federal cash taxes and certain other state cash taxes to a minimum. Since our Federal net operating losses in the U.S. to shelter taxable income are largely exhausted, our cash taxes paid will increase in fiscal 2016. The estimated tax rate for fiscal 2016 is approximately 25% and assumes no significant changes in tax valuation allowances or enacted tax loss. In fiscal '15 we invested $22.5 million for capital expenditures as compared to $29 million in fiscal '14. For fiscal '16, we expect capital investment to be in the range of $20 million and $25 million. Depreciation and amortization expense for fiscal '15 was $23.4 million compared to $23.9 million in fiscal '14. For fiscal '16, we expect full year depreciation and amortization to be between $23 million and $26 million. EBITDA for the full year of fiscal '15 was nearly $145 million or 16.5% of sales. Adjusted EBITDA, which excludes the impairments and sales of businesses and investments, was $149 million in fiscal '15. Based on our fiscal '16 guidance, we expect EBITDA to be in the 15% to 16% of sales range and be between $132 million and $143 million. Lastly for fiscal '15, free cash flow was a $102 million. This was $11 million higher than the free cash flow for fiscal '14. Based on our guidance, we expect fiscal '16 free cash flow to be between $85 million and $95 million. In fiscal '15, long-term debt was paid down by $43 million pending the year at $5 million. Net cash increased during the fiscal year of '15 by nearly $95 million to $163 million. The balance sheet effect of foreign currency fluctuation on our cash balances was a negative $11.4 million mainly due to the weakening of the Euro as compared to the USD during the fiscal year. At the end of fiscal '15, $161 million or approximately 96% of the Company’s total cash was held outside the United States. Don that concludes my comments.

Don Duda

Operator

Thank you, Ron. Christine, we're ready to take questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conduction a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Steve Dyer with Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question

Thank you. Good morning, guys.

Don Duda

Operator

Good morning.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question

As it relates to your gross margin in auto given all of the puts and takes and price downs, but moving some things to Egypt and so forth, what would you expect the margin range and I am sorry if I missed it for to be in the Auto segment for fiscal '16?

Doug Koman

Analyst

Very similar to '15, in the mid-20s.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then jumping over to Dabir, do you have any revenue expectations embedded in the fiscal '16 guidance and that’s part one, and part two is, are you still thinking this is going to be a product that you distribute in-house largely?

Don Duda

Operator

Let me answer the second question first. Right now we will, but as I have said as the product starts to evolve at very low, maybe the hospital and the hospital buying units that direct us to distribution and we would let that happen naturally but we might actually make more money on that model. But right now we feel we have to kind of kick start sales, explain what the product does and that’s best done at the moment through direct sales. We have goals for the Dabir Group for sales, but we've included very little in our guidance for that.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then last question and I’ll hop back in the queue. The stock obviously down 30% plus today, you guys have a huge balance sheet, lot of borrowing power, free cash flow etcetera. Is there a level at which you guys would strongly consider buying back stock?

Don Duda

Operator

That certainly is a topic of discussion. We’ll see where we end up on the stock. The only caveat I would say to that as Ron mentioned, we have a good portion of our cash overseas. So we would either need to repatriate, but we would have to repatriate cash to affect that. But that is certainly something that is a topic of discussion amongst Management and the Board.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Thank you.

Don Duda

Operator

Thanks Steve.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

Hi good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Don Duda

Operator

Good morning.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

First just a point of clarification. Is the base year for your new long-term EBITDA CAGR target fiscal '15 or fiscal '16 and then separately or I guess as a follow-on are you assuming that you could hit that target even if you were to lose your largest automotive program when it begins to go end of life?

Don Duda

Operator

The base year is '15. And when we look to that CAGR, that involves a number of assumptions including future automotive programs, but other products as well which was talked about Dabir, which carry much higher margin than Automotive, which is why we list an EBITDA goal versus a revenue goal because you could have some slippage in Automotive revenue to be made up by our other products, which carry considerably higher margin than automotive.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Let me try this from a different angle then, does the target assume any large wins that you haven’t already announced?

Don Duda

Operator

Jimmy, I don’t want to go any further than that. We’ve announced the target. We’re good at hitting our targets. We do five-year planning routinely as part of our business and there are a number of ins and outs that go into that and a number of different scenarios that give us confidence in that number. I really don’t want to speculate on what isn’t there and what could or couldn’t happen.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

Sure enough, Don, I had to try. Can you just talk a little -- switching over to Power Products Segment, can you just talk a little bit about this $20 million hit in the PowerRail? Are you assuming that that will drive the entire segment down about $20 million for the year? And then can you just talk a little bit about what’s happening with your large PowerRail customer? Do they kind of complete a build-out and now they're taking a breather or just how should we expect that to transpire on maybe a multi-year basis?

Don Duda

Operator

Okay. The $20 million is in our -- being down is in our guidance, but we do anticipate some uptick from other customers, but for the most part, I would take the whole $20 million. That particular customer as I said in my prepared remarks it really came in probably more than twice of what we anticipated for '15 because they did accelerate their builds. Now they’ll do additional builds, but that’s not likely to happen in our fiscal '16. So it could be that that just -- it slows down and then fix backup as they need additional capacity, but again I don’t see that happening in our fiscal '16 because they haven’t informed us if they have sufficient capacity at the moment. Now they did say that last year at this time too, but I think looking at our releases and again we only can look really about one month out or one quarter out, excuse me, I would say that it will be down for '16.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then on the Interface side, you mentioned that your customers are moving to some or at least a customer is moving to in-housing of your Touch product. I guess previously you had talked about some mix issues at your large appliance customer. Did that turn out to be your customer in-sourcing away from you or is this a separate issue and can you just elaborate a little bit on what's assumed for '16 there?

Don Duda

Operator

No. Those two issues I think were separate. The customer came out with a less expensive model, which eroded some sales from the more expensive units which we are on. So that's a separate issue and that still continues, but as we routinely do, we look at how much energy and resources we’re expanding and what type of return. We're driven -- top line obviously is important, but we’re driven by margin and whether it be an auto program or an appliance program, there is a tremendous amount of design and engineering that goes into it. And customers go through cycles. I would say that the appliance industry is maybe a mid-cycle and if we say a five-year period where their in-house engineers decide that they can do it less expensively than outside and then contract manufacturing is a model that that works for some, we can’t compete on that. And so we’ll continue -- we’re not exiting the appliance business, but we want it to let investors know that that we’re deemphasizing and refocusing in other areas. Now we don’t give customer-specific information. We’ve talked about interface, but our margin anticipation is there. So I think I’ll stay with that, but I can’t say that we year-over-year we’re anticipating for both those reasons that our appliance sales will be down. Hetronic which is also in that segment, we see that improving and I’m definitely more excited about the opportunities in interface in the industrial area that carries considerably higher margin and we may see at some point that that margin shift to the positive.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

Okay, very helpful. Lastly maybe just one for Ron, when we look at the segmented income or expenses from operations in the K, you can back into your corporate expenses jumping pretty dramatically here in the fourth quarter looks like it almost doubled quarter-over-quarter. I’m sure part of that dovetails into Don’s comments about incentive comp and so forth driving SG&A higher, but could you just explain that change in a little bit more detail for us and what you’re assuming as kind of an appropriate go forward rate?

Ron Tsoumas

Management

You’re referring to what we’ve talked in the past as tandem cash driven by stock price.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

I’m not sure exactly what’s driving that increase in corporate expense. I assume some of it’s the stock price which is obviously going the other way now, but I would just be interested in kind of what all is in that number in the change and what’s a fair kind of go-forward range?

Ron Tsoumas

Management

Obviously the Tandem cash performance based compensation was a chunk and going forward into next year as you mentioned the stock price just went down today, there won’t be a benefit going forward from that because the variable accounting on that plan ended in this quarter. So that type of variability in the corporate expenses around performance-based compensation will no longer occur going forward, but that was -- that is a chuck of it is the performance based compensation.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

So was the, this April quarter run rate going forward and May quarter I should say.

Ron Tsoumas

Management

No, you’ve -- 12%

Don Duda

Operator

About 12% is what we’re forecasting going forward a good rate.

Jimmy Baker

Analyst · Jimmy Baker with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Got it. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. It appears we have no further questions at this time. Mr. Duda, I would now like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.

Don Duda

Operator

All right. Thank you very much. I’ll thank everyone for listening and we will talk to you in the fall. Have a good day.