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MDU Resources Group, Inc. (MDU)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 4, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Angela and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the MDU Resources Group's First Quarter 2015 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will a question-and-answer period. [Operator Instructions] This call will be available for replay beginning at 1:00 PM Eastern today through 11:59 PM Eastern on May 19th. The conference ID number for the replay is 12424597. Again, the conference ID number for the replay is 12424597. The number to dial for the replay is 1-855-859-2056 or 404-537-3406. I would now like to turn the conference over to Doran Schwartz, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of MDU Resources Group. Thank you. Mr. Schwartz, you may begin your conference.

Doran Schwartz

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. Welcome to our earnings release conference call. This conference call is being broadcast live to the public over the Internet and slides will accompany our remarks. If you would like to view the slides, go to our website at www.mdu.com and follow the link to the conference call. Our earnings release is also available on our website. During the course of this presentation, we will make certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Although the company believes that its expectations and beliefs are based on reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of factors that may cause actual results to differ, refer to Item 1A Risk Factors in our most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q and the Risk Factors section in our most recent Form 8-K. Our format today will include formal remarks by Dave Goodin, President and CEO of MDU Resources followed by a Q&A session. Other members of our management team who will be available to answer questions during the Q&A session of the conference call today are Dave Barney, President and CEO of Knife River Corporation; Steve Bietz, President and CEO of WBI Energy; Nicole Kivisto, President and CEO of Montana-Dakota, Great Plains Natural Gas, Cascade Natural Gas and Intermountain Natural Gas; Pat O’Bryan, President of Fidelity Exploration & Production; Jeff Thiede, President and CEO of MDU Construction Services Group; and Nathan Ring, Vice President, Controller and Chief Accounting Officer for MDU Resources. And with that, I'll turn the presentation over to Dave for his formal remarks. Dave?

David Goodin

Analyst

Thank you Doran and good morning everyone. We appreciate you joining us today to discuss our first quarter results. We are positive about our long-term growth potential despite challenges we experienced during this first quarter. We have record capital investment opportunities at our utility and pipeline businesses, a refinery that is now in production and clear momentum at our construction materials business as well. Along with increasing bidding opportunities at our construction service business with a combined backlog between both construction materials and services now approaching 1 billion. Several factors negatively affected our results for this quarter. Some of the warmest winter weather on record affected utility earnings by approximately 6.6 million. Although the pipeline bid benefit from last year's rate case, the company incurred higher start cost for our Dakota Prairie refinery as the time neared to commencing operations impacting this year's first quarter by about 1.9 million. The Construction Service Group sold underperforming non-strategic assets in the first quarter recording an expense of 1.4 million and our Construction Materials Group had a true-up of a multi-employer pension plan withdraw liability of 1.5 million related to the same plan for which an estimate was recorded in the fourth quarter of 2014. These items on a combined basis totaled 11.4 million or [$0.066] per share of a negative impact to the first quarter earnings compared with last year. So including these items consolidated adjusted earnings for the first quarter totaled 22.8 million or $0.12 per share compared with 35.6 million or $0.19 per share in 2014. On a consolidated GAAP basis which includes our exploration and production business, we reported a loss of 306.1 million or $1.57 per share reflecting a 315.3 million after tax non-cash write down of oil and natural gas properties pertaining to the quarterly ceiling test.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Matt Tucker with KeyBanc Capital.

Matt Tucker

Analyst

Congrats on the refinery start up. I wanted to ask is the guidance for the refinery, [if you look at that] is being based on current market conditions or is that more of a long-term average run rate?

David Goodin

Analyst

Matt I will take a shot at that, Steve is in the room here as well. I appreciate the congratulations, it's been quite a project and effort in just 25 months we were able to complete that project from groundbreaking to now start up. So I want to provide also hats off to Steve and the team over there. I would say it's more a long-term as we look at differentials as we give that guidance of that 60 million to 80 million in EBITDA, we know differentials widen and they will narrow but we're going to be very transportation advantaged with the sizing or the location of this plant given we'll capture that crude price going out and being processed out of state and then refined product being brought in. So again I would look at it over the longer term and it's not a point in time.

Matt Tucker

Analyst

Thanks, should we assume that there is some ramp up period here before you can kind of get to the full run rate?

Steven Bietz

Analyst

Yeah Matt, this is Steve, you know as we sit here today and as we kind of design the startup, we've been right around 10,000 barrels a day. And I think as you think about the refinery typically would look to ramp that up to the maximum in a fairly short period of time kind of a matter of days given this is a newly commissioned equipment and facility, we're doing that on more measured approach ensuring safety and just kind of bringing things up as we go. As I think about I, our objective here is to continue to move that up and expect, if there's any big issues as we go we would be up to our 20,000 barrels a day say by the end of this month, somewhere around there.

Matt Tucker

Analyst

Great, thanks Steve. And then one just with respect to a potential second refinery, you've indicated you'll probably spend most of this year analyzing that. You know on paper based on the cost from the guidance for the first one, the supply demand situation, it would seem like it makes sense, so could you just talk a little bit more about you know what factors that you have to consider or in any other, anything else that prevents you from moving ahead more quickly with that?

Steven Bietz

Analyst

Well I think [indiscernible] to get the first one up and running so that was really where our focus was at. So we put this on the shelf a little better and at least on the back burner. We have been doing some work associated with the second refinery from a [citing] perspective as well as some of the engineering work. So we're making some progress there and we've got some meetings planned over the next couple of months relative to some of the equipments so forth for a second refinery. We want to understand also the market, the crude oil acquisition market that where we're buying crude and the market for diesel in several locations. So those are all factors that we're studying. I guess, I think the good news here is that we've got our first one up and running and can now shift our attention over to spend more time on the second one and certainly apply the lessons learned if you will from the construction of the first one where there is opportunities to do a better job to reduce cost and make a second plant actually more efficient so.

Matt Tucker

Analyst

Thanks a lot. And then just one on shifting gears to the potential sale of Fidelity, I know you don’t want to show your hand too much but is there any more color you can give us in terms of what you are looking for in order to start marketing that, have you had any conversations, any sense you could give us for potential timing or what you are looking for from oil prices before you begin that process?

David Goodin

Analyst

Yeah, Matt I will take that one. You know we're going to certainly pursue the marketing and sale of our E&P to maximize shareholder value as you might expect. I noted in my comments we are encouraged by the stabilized oil pricing environment that we're seeing and we look at other various factors, rig count, supply demand, what's happening internationally, how much M&A activity is there, what's happening on what might be some acquires balance sheet so far as debt and equity. So we kind of roll that all in and we will make the decision at the appropriate time. I think you answered during question, at the onset of your question, we won't play a lot of cards here but we are encouraged I will say by some local indicators, more recent indicators I will say. Okay, thank you Matt.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brent Thielman with DA Davidson.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · DA Davidson.

One more on the refinery. Is the guidance embedding a similar level of startup cost into Q2 or is that mostly behind at this stage?

Steven Bietz

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Yes, Brent as you think about the start-up cost, those are some I'll say typical expenses that we've got at the refinery, we've got north of 70 employees out there and while some of those costs we're able to capitalize, many of those costs we got expensed. So we've got leases for railway and different things. So those are more typical expenses if you will. And as you think about going forward, in the first quarter we didn’t have revenues to really offset those, so as we go forward you're going to see revenues coming in and some of the costs certainly that were capitalizing will move over to the O&M side.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Got it. And then Dave, we're starting to see some other construction material suppliers out there showing some really solid pricing momentum and I know you don’t break it out and your geographic footprint is a little different from others, but can you talk through your expectations and initiatives for materials pricing for Knife River?

David Goodin

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Yes, Brent to get margin improvements on materials and our construction backlog and as we continue to see [there is also] recover we expect that trend to continue in the near future. So it's definite positive and our volumes continue to grow, as our volumes continue to grow we expect margins continue to follow that trend.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Just on the construction business, favorable weather. Does that take, does that impact your earnings in the other quarters, does it take any business from other quarters or it's just additive?

David Goodin

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Paul as your question more of a, did we work ahead some work as opposed to a wet spring or how does it impact the backlog, is that more of a way you're looking at?

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Yes, yes you got it, does it pull any work from future periods?

David Barney

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Paul this is Dave Barney, yes, that definitely is going to pull a little of work from probably April we might see a little low but we have a good backlog, we've picked up quite a bit of work in April and we expect the volumes to continue to increase and like I said margins continue to increase, we don’t see a big drop off for the rest of the year.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Okay, great. And then on the pension expense, I think you guys had this last quarter and is it just sort of a catch up or sort of fine tuning it or is there something else going on?

Doran Schwartz

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Hi Paul, this is Doran. I think you characterized it the right way, we made an estimate at the end of the year, we had some new information that allowed us to true-up that estimate here in the first quarter. So that's essentially what's you are seeing.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matt Tucker with KeyBanc Capital.

Matt Tucker

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital.

Hi, got a couple of follows ups. I noticed you saw pretty nice customer growth on a year-on-year basis in the Bakken region, can you comment on kind of more recent trends, are you continuing to see growth on may be a quarter-to-quarter month-over-month basis, so if you can just provide kind of an update on how you view the economy in that region?

Nicole Kivisto

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital.

Certainly Matt, this is Nicole, I will answer your question. As Dave alluded to in his remarks, we did see electric customer growth in the Bakken at 4.4% quarter-over-quarter, on the gas side we saw 3%, 3.6% growth rate. Really when you look at year-on-year, we added around 20,000 customers and about 3,400 of those came from the Bakken. So you can see that although the Bakken activity is clearly exceeding national averages in terms of growth rates, we're seeing growth across really our entire system. On an overall basis we had customer growth around 2%. And then if you are getting to the question on what's the run rate going forward, that's really hard to predict, it has come up a little bit from the historic levels but we still anticipate strong growth out there in the Bakken and quite frankly across our entire territory.

Matt Tucker

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital.

Okay, great. And I just wanted to ask on the construction services side, could you provide a little more color on the non-strategic [indiscernible] assets that you sold and do you expect to continue with that type of activity this year?

Jeffrey Thiede

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital.

Matt thanks for the question, this is Jeff. We sold our electrical supply and distribution business which was based in Las Vegas, head office is in New Mexico, Texas and North Dakota, this was not a strategic part of our business and we do not anticipate any other moves like that, that we're looking, we're actively looking at strategic acquisitions across the country.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. This marks the last call for questions. [Operator Instructions]. This call will be available for replay, beginning at 1:00 PM Eastern today through 11:59 PM Eastern on May 19th. The conference ID number for the replay is 12424597. Again, the conference ID number for the replay is 12424597. At this time there are no further questions. I would now like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

David Goodin

Analyst

Thank you operator. In closing I would like to make sure everyone understands it. We believe our utility pipeline and construction businesses are really very well positioned for growth and we intend to continue develop them to maximize shareholder value. We expect to create greater long-term value for MDU Resource shareholders by focusing on the successful growth businesses. And when I think about our Utility Group, the 1.8 billion of investment over the next five years, Nicole noted the higher than national average growth in customer. When I think of our Pipeline and the Refining Group now, we call it a Refining Group now that we have a refinery online, the first one in America in almost 40 years and you heard between our construction businesses having about 1 billion in backlog between materials and services, I think we're well positioned as we think about this year and beyond. And as noted earlier we will pursue the marketing and sale of the Fidelity when we believe the time is appropriate. We appreciate your participation on our call today and again, thank you for your interest in MDU resources. Operator?

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's MDU Resources Group conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.