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Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Sep 18, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone. And welcome to The Marcus Corporation First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. My name is Whitley and I’ll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will conduct a question-and-answer session toward the end of this conference. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Joining us today are Greg Marcus, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Doug Neis, Chief Financial Officer of The Marcus Corporation. At this time, I’d like to turn the program over to Mr. Neis for his opening remarks. Please go ahead, sir.

Doug Neis

Analyst

Thank you very much and welcome everybody to our fiscal 2015 first quarter conference call. As usual, I do need to begin by stating that we plan on making a number of forward-looking statements on our call today. Our forward-looking statements could include, but not be limited to statements about our future revenues and earnings expectations, our future RevPAR, occupancy rates and room rates expectations for our Hotels & Resorts division, our expectations about the quality, quantity and audience appeal of film products expected to be made available to us in the future, our expectations about the future trends in the business group and leisure travel industry and in our markets, our expectations and plans regarding growth in the number and type of our properties and facilities, expectations regarding various non-operating line items on our earnings statement and our expectations regarding future capital expenditures. Of course, our actual results could differ materially from those projected or suggested by our forward-looking statements. Factors, risks and uncertainties, which could impact our ability to achieve our expectations, are included in the Risk Factor Section of our 10-K and 10-Q filings, which can be obtained from the SEC of the company. We'll also post our Regulation G disclosures when applicable on our website at www.marcuscorp.com. So with that behind us, let’s talk about our fiscal 2015 first quarter. Certainly it was a quarter impacted by a well-documented weaker summer film slate, but with many positive signs that should bode well for future quarters when the movie lineup strengthens. For the third straight quarter, our theater division significantly outperformed the industry and continue to improvement from our Hotels & Resorts Division contributed to record revenues for the company this quarter. I am going to take you through some of the detail behind the numbers, both…

Greg Marcus

Analyst

Thanks, Doug. I'll begin my remarks today with our Theater division. You can see the numbers and Doug shared a lot of additional detail with you in order to help you understand our reported results. There certainly is plenty to be happy about this quarter, obviously beginning with our continued industry outperformance. Clearly the investments we've made in our theaters in our new marketing and pricing initiatives are driving customers to our theaters and not only are we over-indexing the nation as a whole, the numbers we are getting from Rentrak suggest that we are once again the top performing theater circuit among the top 10 chains in the United States. But the fact is it was a challenging summer films slate for the industry, with Box Office down approximately 15% for the summer as a whole and about 13% during our specific 13 week quarter, the first three weeks in June started our first quarter off in pretty decent shape and our August Box Office revenues were up approximately 30% compared to last year. But the weeks in between, a time in the theater business when we should really be at our busiest, the film product was found significantly lacking and it was just too much to overcome. To put this in perspective, the week that includes the 4th of July weekend is historically one of the busiest weeks of our entire fiscal year, often second-only to the week between Christmas and New Year's and it certainly was one of the best weeks in the last year. This year, the fourth -- the July fourth week was our second worst week of our entire 13-week first quarter. There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago that may have shed some light on why…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) We'll go to Jim Goss with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

James Goss - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning.

Greg Marcus

Analyst

Hey, Jim.

James Goss - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

How are you guys doing? I thought I'd start with hotels this time. I'm wondering in terms of the strategy you're using to try to add to the management contracts, could you discuss the process of securing management contracts and the areas of focus you might have in terms of types of hotel properties or geography or whatever else you might think is important. And to the extent that you're trying to do it in terms of your management skills rather than the financing part, would you have sort of a REIT financing partner you would partner with and securing such contracts?

Greg Marcus

Analyst

Jim, the process is, we have a team of people devoted to looking for the different deals. We'll take multiple approaches to them. It can be in a case like the Heidel House, there was an ownership group that wanted to bring in a more experienced manager. They were only running one hotel, that hotel. They have other investments. They saw the need to bring in professional management and dedicated professional hotel management. So, there are those transactions where we you have an ownership group already looking and so we have going on is we have a development person who's out calling on these people and trying to make the sale. The management is a product. That's the way I look at it. So we're out selling our product. At the same time, we talked about Bill Reynolds before and our development efforts inside the Company. That's where we're out looking for -- Bill is out looking for deals to put together and we put in a little more equity but we also find partners. It could be a REIT. It could be private equity. There's certainly a slew of hotel investors out there who are looking for management and the one advantage we bring -- we bring a number of advantages to the table, to partner with these kind of people. First of all, we can bring capital, even in the form of sliver equity. For a lot of management companies they don't have the capital base we have. Then also because of the extensive properties we have in both our divisions, we have an infrastructure that really can take on very complicated projects and bring them on quickly and add value and that -- so we're not dependent on -- we've got a team of people and lots of parts -- lots of different pieces we can fit into the parts, into the properties. And in types of properties we're looking for – we’re looking for full service hotels. We're looking for upper upscale hotels. That's what we focus on. Those are more complicated assets. That's where we bring value to the company through our experience. Geographically, we will pretty much go anywhere, because the one thing when you get into the upper upscale segment, the type of manager that we have to put at the property is one that can -- is one that's going to be able to operate somewhat autonomously. That doesn't say we're not bringing best practices. That's the other thing, the other advantage we bring to an ownership group, best practices, purchasing scale, accounting scale, IT scale. We will then lever -- we will put that on top but we can manage it from a distance.

Doug Neis

Analyst

The only thing I would add, Jim, I think Greg nailed it all with comments. The only thing I would add would be we're not trying to position ourselves as a hired gun for a short-term period. We're looking for deals and arrangements where there's a mutual investment for some time period. We're not looking for 30 day outs and things along those lines. We're looking for things that have a little more time to it and -- because as you know, we tend to look through things with a little longer term lens.

Greg Marcus

Analyst

And to build on Doug's point, thank you Doug for catching that. The point is that to take on an asset, the kind of assets we’re talking about, with the complexity they have, these are complicated assets. To do that, it requires an investment. It's an investment of time but time is money and so we have to put up a good size upfront investment to get it online, to get our systems in place and so if we're working on 30 day outs, we can't get that investment back. We need some with a longer term focus.

James Goss - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

I assumed it was longer term focus. That wouldn't be in character of Marcus to do otherwise. Although I wonder if you have any answer to polar vortex two, if that happens to materialize this year. On the film side, what were your film rental margins in the quarter or can you at least speak trend-wise to what they are since you I think don't break them out specifically.

Doug Neis

Analyst

You correctly noted that we don't break them out specifically. And if there would have been a big variation, I would have highlighted that, at least noted that in the overall in terms of from a margin perspective. Film cost was not the issue with this quarter. And again, that's one of the weird factors about this business, Jim, is that in fact when the film slate is stronger, that's when the film cost percentage goes up. And so but it was not materially different from previous.

James Goss - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Last couple of things, I don't want to take too much time. But when you talk about your reseatings, and getting strong attendance and outperforming, despite the film slate, do you think -- do you get a sense that you're getting attendance due to taking share from other theaters or do you think people like the experience so much that they're more likely to come despite films they might not otherwise be tempted to go to?

Greg Marcus

Analyst

It's both. No matter what we're doing, we're seeing it be a mixture of both. When it's the reseating programs and the improvements to the theaters, we're seeing a mixture of share shift and we refer to as organic growth in the market. We're studying all the markets where everybody's doing this and we're seeing a mixture of both. And the same thing on our programs with discounting. We're seeing people who clearly haven't been to the movies in a while. I think that's less share shift going on, frankly, than when you see the reseating stuff. The stuff that's more value oriented, we're seeing a value oriented customer. So probably that proportion then shifts more toward customers we haven't seen, which we love, customers we haven't seen come to the movie, come back.

James Goss - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

The last thing, Zaffiro's, have you detected any significant difference in the operating metrics for the Zaffiro's that are in or around the theaters versus the ones that are free-standing in some other locations?

Doug Neis

Analyst

It really is a different model entirely, Jim. As you alluded to, we have three theaters that have free-standing Zaffiro's - when we say free-standing, they're built within the movie theater. We actually took an auditorium out. But it's still a separate full-blown restaurant and bar. It's a restaurant half of it. I think our study, I don't think we updated it, but last time I saw the numbers half the customers were just there to eat. It was not even – so it's a restaurant as well. So that whole cost structure is so different. Of course, we've lived that, being in the Appleby's business and a variety of other restaurant businesses over the years. Versus the in line Zaffiro's Express is just a different model. There still is -- by definition, and all these additional alternate food and beverage concepts, by definition the food cost, the cost of sales will be as a percentage higher than your base popcorn, soda, candy that we've all learned over the years. But they're incremental dollars and our studies have shown that we're getting some incremental dollars. And so it has kind of this two-fold effect. It has a somewhat slight negative effect on margin from a percentage basis but again, it should be adding more dollars.

James Goss - Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. I'll leave it go at that. Appreciate it.

Doug Neis

Analyst

Thanks, Jim.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Eric Wold with B. Riley. Please proceed.

Eric Wold - B. Riley

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Thank you. Good morning. Two questions. One on the theater side, you mentioned you're looking at possibly taking selective price increases at theaters. I guess as you come up to the comp against the start of the $5 Tuesday promotion, any thoughts on adjustments you may need to make or may make around promotions around that in terms of going back and doing some things at concessions or all that or you kind of want to ride it out and see how that comps during the holiday?

Greg Marcus

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

We're constantly looking at it and evaluating. We haven't come to any conclusions yet. As we come up on the first year, we're going to take a look at everything we're doing and make decisions on that.

Doug Neis

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

I would add, Eric, that we've already -- when we first introduced it if you recall, that would be -- we'll come on that in November, early to mid-November. It was that free 40-ounce popcorn for everybody. When we rolled out our Magical Movie Rewards program, the loyalty program on March 31st, we transition into only free popcorn then for reward members. So that was already an initial change. And we're not -- our guys will consistently look at that in terms of what the promotions might be. That's the current promotion that's going on. But we'll certainly be looking at all those things.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

We do test. We have enough locations that we test different opportunities in different markets. So we're studying it.

Eric Wold - B. Riley

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

So $4 Wednesday is probably off the table?

Greg Marcus

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

You made my day, Eric.

Eric Wold - B. Riley

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Switching to the hotel, you talk about taking price on the theater side. You guys have done a lot of remodels there. With the completion of some of these hotel remodels what has been the impact to ADR of those properties. Have you pushed them up once the remodels are done or you holding the line for some period of time to see how the customers react?

Greg Marcus

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

It's market dependent. We are trying -- hopefully the idea is that we're doing these renovations and we're driving more business and then the ADRs do push up. We're seeing the ADRs go up on these hotels with the renovations, there's no doubt about that. The trick to the hotel business is as we alluded to in the comments is as this group business comes back, strategy is to put in a layer of group business, so you essentially shrink the size of your hotel and then by constraining that supply, you are able to then drive more price on what is left. That's the simple strategy that we try to go with. And so as you put these improvements in place you become more attractive to these groups and we then are able to layer in that group base of business and then build from there.

Doug Neis

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

One thing I would add to this, Eric, the one particular project that we have coming up that we've been talking a lot about and that's the Chicago one, that's a complete repositioning. That's taking -- that's rebranding the hotel. The market position of that asset will be significantly different than it is currently at Four Points and frankly we would expect that it's going to be positioned with a higher ADR and so that's different from like for example the Pfister where we just did the renovation where it's still a Pfister. So it really depends on a project by project basis.

Eric Wold - B. Riley

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Okay. And then last question, taking the opposite of Jim's question around you're going out looking at properties to kind of take sliver equity, flash management contract stakes as you've done. Have you experienced any of the opposite in terms of other industry buyers coming and looking at properties you own for potential opportunities?

Greg Marcus

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Nobody's come and knocked on our door. But that doesn't mean that we're not looking at -- we always look at our portfolio and that we're not analyzing our portfolio, we are given what's going on in the market.

Doug Neis

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

It's no secret we've been talking about this openly, Eric, that we take a look at each of the assets in our portfolio. We think we're in a decent window. I don't think the window's slamming shut tomorrow. I think we're in a decent window here for us that we should be evaluating some of our assets and we are doing that.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

And the way we're looking at it is, we want to -- we have a couple goals. One is to make sure that we're keeping management of the properties because that's -- keep our infrastructure and then to make sure that the pricing is -- if there's a transaction, the pricing is appropriate and we keep investing in the assets so we're comfortable no matter where the strategy takes us.

Eric Wold - B. Riley

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Perfect. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Bellisario with Baird. Please proceed. Michael Bellisario - Robert W. Baird & Co.: Good morning, guys.

Greg Marcus

Analyst

Hey, Michael. Michael Bellisario - Robert W. Baird & Co.: Just a few questions for you. Wanted to start on hotels. As you guys evaluate the Milwaukee market, does the additional supply that's been announced, and that's the Kimpton that's now going to break ground by year end in the western, which is a little bit further out. Do these new projects force your hand to evaluate the rebranding opportunities at the InterCon sooner rather than later in order to be ahead of that supply? And on that same topic, how do you evaluate the potential returns for a project like this given that it would be more of -- more defensive spending rather than offensive?

Greg Marcus

Analyst

I'm sorry, project like what? Like the InterCon. Michael Bellisario - Robert W. Baird & Co.: Like a rebranding project where you would have to put some capital in, similar to what you're doing in Chicago with the AC.

Greg Marcus

Analyst

We evaluate the market regularly. We've actually had pretty good success right now with that property. We don't get into specific details, obviously, if you're in the market you can see that that property, positioned. We've gotten aggressive with rate there. You can see it just go online, and look at our rates. But when the market's strong we're taking advantage of that as well. I would tell you, we evaluate it at all times. We're under a license agreement with them now. So there is no change in anyway for a second. And we'll make the investment we feel needs to be. The additional investment is going to be looked at as how will it do. These other hotels, if they're going to come they're going to come. They're going to cause the impact they're going to cause. What we do then has. What would be the -- assuming something happens, what would be the return on the additional investment and we would assume there will be some return there then. Michael Bellisario - Robert W. Baird & Co.: Got it. And is that return that you're requiring, is that different for a project like this, that was kind of what I was asking, where it would be more defensive rather than putting new capital to work for a potential acquisition either on the hotel or theater side. Sounds like that's not the case.

Greg Marcus

Analyst

No, I mean -- look, there's some capital you have to put into a hotel no matter what. It's not like every dollar you put into a hotel has got pure ROI because these things depreciate. So you have to figure in as you know, there's a certain amount of just replacement that we have to put in to keep the asset stable. So a chunk of that doesn't have return associated with it. A chunk of it needs to have returns and it has to have returns based on our return models. Michael Bellisario - Robert W. Baird & Co.: Sure. That's makes sense. And then just switching to theaters, the Tuesday $5 promotion. Jim touched on it earlier, on one of his questions , but do you have a Tuesday only attendance figure and a non-Tuesday attendance figure you could share with us and I ask because we have yet to really see the bottom line EBITDA boost and just like to get your take on the potential cannibalization and how you track success, not in terms of revenues but really in terms of profits for this promotion.

Doug Neis

Analyst

Unfortunately, Michael no. We're not going to provide. We don't provided for this and we wouldn't provide it for anything else either. We don't actually even give our total attendance. We only talk about change in attendance. We're in a competitive business, a competitive marketplace, and we've chosen not to do that. So no, I can't help you out from that perspective. I might take issue a little bit with your comment that you haven't seen any because the fact is that in our third and fourth quarters we had some -- we did have some pretty good performance and certainly the summer, I can't underplay the impact of what July was because that is -- that should be the month that we're making hay. That should be the month where seven days a week, never mind Tuesdays too, seven days a week you're just packed because that's when all the big pictures are playing. And last year it was. Look, that's the business we're in. We're going to have times like that. And so I'm not sure that I agree with what I think I heard you saying that we haven't necessarily seen any EBITDA from that. I think we have seen some and I think overall it's accomplishing what we wanted to do which is take a business that -- everyone loves to talk about -- you've seen our presentation, everything else. Everyone else puts it up there, that chart that, 20, 30 year chart of box office revenues and it's growing 3.7% compounded. But no one likes to talk about that line that shows attendance where attendance has been kind of flattish or even down a little bit. And so it's doing exactly what we want it to do which is to bring people back to the theaters and when we do that, again, we start looking at -- strip out all the other noise that's going on with the film product, Greg already talked about a lot of the issues that we’re dealing with and investments that we're making. When you strip all that out, the fact that we're getting, these customers coming back, going to movies, talking about going to movies again and spending dollars at the concession stand.

Greg Marcus

Analyst

Let's just build on that a little bit. To your point, trust me, we look at this and we analyze this in 19 different directions. Is there some cannibalization? Sure, there is a little bit of cannibalization and at a lower margin. But the net-net, this is one where we will see a little bit of margin impact but we will see greater volume increases that makeup for the margin overtime. Add to that the -- we firmly believe that and have seen that. Because even if we look back and say well, if we hadn't done this, because trust me, we've done that, if we hadn't done this what would it look like. It would look not how it looks now. It would be a little bit less than it looks now. We've had to take some risk and stuff to do that. We've had to add, make investments to make that happen but I would argue that's a great thing because we have got a physical plan. If you look at what it looks like a year ago, and you look at what it looks like now, it's substantially improved. So we're getting a little bit better result with a much better physical plan which then when things are cooking should really lead to good stuff for us. On top of that, the advantage of having more people coming to our theaters can't be underplayed. What happens, there's some great dynamics. Obviously they're buying more concessions. Obviously there's more people seeing our advertising. There's a lot of ancillary revenue. There's more people that now can be in our loyalty program that we can lever up. There's more people who see the preshow, the coming attractions. Nothing makes me happier than when the theaters are busy because people are being exposed to the marketing for the movies to come. Those momentum cycles work in both directions, good and they can work against you too when things are not going so good. So there's a lot of positive in addition to just seeing a material, we've done the math and just a pure mathematics level we're ahead. Michael Bellisario - Robert W. Baird & Co.: Sure. That all makes sense. It's still early days for a lot of your investments. Appreciate the comments.

Greg Marcus

Analyst

Thank you, Michael.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Hickey with The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Mike Hickey - The Benchmark Company

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Obviously we've had some weakness here in the box office but I think everyone's still enthusiastic for 2015 and 2016. Seeing any sort of impact in the M&A environment on the theatrical side and obviously haven't seen a deal there for a while but any thoughts there would be helpful. Thank you.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

I'd say that's sort of the pace sort of what's out there seems to be about the same. We've looked at some stuff. But we're not in a period where anybody feels pressed to sell and they're looking ahead. Not a secret that things look like they could be great for the next few years. We'll see what plays out. But to answer your question, no change in one direction or the other.

Mike Hickey - The Benchmark Company

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Okay. Fair enough. And then can you update us on your headcount and I think you sort of alluded to this in your prepared remarks but where that headcount's going to trend through the remainder of the year?

Doug Neis

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Are you talking -- when you say headcount, on the corporate side, on the administration side or --?

Mike Hickey - The Benchmark Company

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Total headcount.

Doug Neis

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Yes. We pretty much have made the investments now that we intend to make. In this past year, we did talk about that and I've separately talked at these investor conferences and things along those lines, you can start with marketing where in old days you never even really had a marketing department. And so we certainly have made some investments in people. But I think we're for the most part now we're where we think we should be and so I don't see -- best answer I can give you, I'm not going to give you a number, per se, but best answer I can give you is I don't see that changing significantly from where we are now.

Mike Hickey - The Benchmark Company

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Okay. Fair enough. As it sort of relates to your attendance growth, obviously the $5 Tuesdays seems to be a huge boost for you guys. But thinking about maybe the theaters where you've retrofits with recliner seating, what kind of attendance outperformance are you seeing in those theaters versus your standard seated theaters?

Greg Marcus

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

It is, Mike. The fact is that while we've refrained from putting the specific numbers, we have -- you've seen some of the other numbers and some of the -- one of our major competitors who has been touting some of their numbers and we've seen some pretty similar improvements as we put some of these things in. As we've talked about, we're now into kind of the second wave of some of those and so it's really a little hard to look at, the last four that we did basically opened up at the end of May. So all we have to show for it is this summer which was a pretty not so great film slate. But still so we're seeing some nice increases. We've green lighted one more location right now. We're looking at a couple more. And we're performing in these things. We're penciling things out to have still some very healthy increases once you put them in. And obviously those are the candidates for the more significant pricing increases. We've driven -- we're providing a spectacular product and we've looked at our competitors and seeing what they're doing and clearly those -- they're taking advantage of that as well and they've stated it publicly.

Mike Hickey - The Benchmark Company

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Thanks, guys. Last question from me, I don't think you guys have talked much about this recently at least. But your entertainment network as it relates to alternative content and I'm just curious how you see that as a potential growth opportunity in particular you now that you have a lot of success it looks like here out of the gate with your membership program and thinking about maybe ways that you could leverage that membership program in terms of marketing potential alternative content to that base of potential business.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

You are exactly right about using that, using loyalty as -- using that program and knowing who to market to as a way to drive some of that business. I can't tell you where it's going to end up. It's incremental. It should be incremental dollars for us. But even being able to make it better by using tricks like loyalty, because it addresses the -- what you hit on is the key issue, right. On any given weekend, it's amazing. In the big weekends, Hollywood can get 10 million people off their couches. When you're playing a film, if you've got a 3,000 print release and you're playing it seven days a week and you're playing it five times a day at an absolute minimum, you've got hundreds of thousands of show times, to which to throw against marketing as opposed to independent, something alternative content. If you were to play it on if you're lucky 1,000 screens twice, how much money do you throw against 2,000 showings as opposed to 200,000 showings? So the marketing becomes a challenge. That's why Hollywood gets the kudos they get and the scale they have is so necessary. But to the extent that we're able to do things like lever our knowledge of our customer base to be able to more efficiently market the smaller things we're going to do it and it will continue to grow and it will continue to be a nice add-on to what we're doing. The Indy focused stuff we're doing now I think has been a nice add-on and we are able to do more independent marketing. I think that will continue to flourish. I can't tell you where I think it's going to end up as a percentage of our revenue or anything.

Mike Hickey - The Benchmark Company

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Fair enough. Thanks, guys, for your insight. Appreciate it. Good luck.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Rafn with Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Good morning, guys. Give me a sense, you talked in the past, maybe a question for you, Doug, relative to the film slate, we certainly from your 4th of July weekend as you move down from the top five or top 10 pictures, was that same weakness from picture 10 to 20, 20 to 30 and where that was year-over-year, was there any strength as you went down in some of those smaller pictures?

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

I'd love to say yes, but not really. Look, it's all relative to -- because we're doing all these comparisons to last year. So the film mix itself was changed. I talked about that in terms of how we had these two family pictures, our top two pictures last year and this year you've got to kind of go down to our number six picture, didn't make the press release would be How to Train your Dragon 2. Otherwise, that's kind of the equivalent, the first time it shows up. But no, if you look at it in total, it was -- there was no -- you're right. Sometimes we'll have a particular quarter where it's just deeper than usual and that makes up for the fact that maybe you don't have a bunch of those big blockbusters. This was not one of those quarters and Greg kind of alluded to the -- when he quoted that Wall Street article. There just were -- I don't know pure quantity, I don't have that number in front of me if we played less or not. There certainly were less big bigger budget pictures, not just the top two or three. There were 10 less $100 million type budget movies. That's a big change.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Basically the highest highs were lower and the middle was not so strong. And frankly, we looked at it and part of it was just what they released, they didn't release the kids movies as Doug pointed out. Movies like Fast & Furious 6 got moved. There could be something, I have seen some banter, but we don’t know for sure about where this international focus of the whole movie business with World Cup in the middle of summer, I suspect that there was some, our margins at Gee, I don't want my film out during World Cup time. That causes them to move some stuff out of the summer. You get all that together, it can be challenging summer. But we had an unbelievably great spring. This is a business that just if you look at it quarter-to-quarter, you're going to be frustrated. If you look at it over time, you'll be satisfied.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Do you guys get a sense of -- I've asked this in the past -- of shifting seasonally pictures, not just saying we're Hollywood, we're going to make our money in the summer and then at Christmas but starting to spread it out over and really looking at the business as a four quarter business, not just summer, 4th of July and Christmas?

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

We are seeing some spread-out. Captain America came much earlier than it might have come in prior years. Frankly, Guardians came pretty late. So we are seeing some spread of the films. There's no doubt about it. But it's not just a spread of films. There was less product.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Relative to your $5 Tuesday's, I know you guys don't break out attendance, can you given us a qualitative delta change at all? Are you still seeing a build in traffic on $5 Tuesdays or have you reached a level of saturation?

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

I guess my reaction is still we're seeing a build. This was our first summer where we had it. And so we had some really big Tuesdays. Maybe kind of goes to -- there was an earlier question that kind of dealt with this a little bit in terms of since the slate wasn't so good, yes, I suspect that in some cases people who just last year -- without this program they would never have come. I'm sure we got some people who said well, for a $5, I'll even see this movie even though I'm not super excited about it. So look, we had -- I think we definitely had growth throughout, continue to see some growth. We're going to lap it in November. But frankly, I think we'll -- even when we lap it, based on the growth that we saw when we first introduced versus where we are now, I suspect that still we’ll see year-over-year improvement for at least some time period.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Yes, okay. No, that's fair enough. That's a good answer. Let me ask you that value customer, that is usually a $5 guy, how have you witnessed again just since summer, from the standpoint of concession penetration as you roll off some of the free popcorn and that, is this the guy that smuggles in M&Ms, or do you get that guy to do anything at the beverage and food area.

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Are you tipping your hand? That's what you’re doing Brian.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

No.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

There is specific M&M detector at the front door. With changing it, it has helped our per caps, with changing our policy from free popcorns for all the free popcorn for loyalty. But, we’re still working on ways to improve our per caps and because there is still obviously, and they’ll never be at the level where they are during the regular part of time, it’s value oriented customer. But we just need to continue to work on ways to sell to that value oriented customer and we continue to make progress with it.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Yes, okay. You developed a Majestic out in Brookfield several years ago. And now it sounds like Sun Prairie may be the new big prototype. What kind of penetration, and have you changed with Sun Prairie? Are there more UltraScreens? Are there more Dream Lounger cinema theaters? What might be the difference as you look at Sun Prairie, as the new big project?

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Well, first of all – it’s all DreamLounger's. So, there’ll be all DreamLounger’s. There will be two UltraScreens. We are going to have the BSBs, the Big Screen Bistros there. We are going – we’ll have – it’s basically the sort of – it’s the next version of Majestic but a bit of a smaller scale. In terms of the – it's going to have all the different amenities that we’ve been working on for all these year, but I would say more refined. In a way – we started with– if you think about, when we did the Majestic, we were just – we were at the front edge of all these, of adding these amenities of trying out in-theater dining. If you remember the Majestic, that in-theater dining has had three names, it’s on its third name. First it was the Palladium, and then it became CineDine, and then it became Big Screen Bistro. And we went from one to three – one auditorium near to three auditoriums there. Our Take Five Lounge that was our first – that was the first lounge we ever have done in a movie theater. So, it’s using all the elements that we started back there all those years ago, but have worked on and refined and – it’s that long term outlook and the patience that we take with this business, is what you see happening throughout our circuit and coming to fruition in a new theater like the Palace.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Okay. Your Marcus, the movie loyalty program, 640,000 people signed up. Are you at a level or scale where you can really start doing the ad and the promotion, or is there a time period that you’re waiting to continue to build to a specific mass, or talk about when you can really start going on making those contacts? Or have you done it from day one?

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

It’s just starting right now. But we are absolutely – look at – I would tell you we have absolutely blown our projections out of water, and what we thought loyalty could be. I think that we were somewhere in the – between 350,000 and 400,000 was our original projection for the first year of this. So, we’re significantly ahead of our projections. And we’re planning on doing all things we’re talking about with a smaller base. So, absolutely – but, that being said, just getting all the – we’re caught with a wave of activity that we never even anticipated. So, it’s been sort of digesting that, that’s been the challenge and getting it all in a position because to market those people, the technology has to be in place, and you have to be able to execute on these things that we’re just catching our breath and getting there.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Yes, you guys talked a little about price raising. Are you looking at raising selective concessions into the fall and the holidays? Have you made those changes already? Is that something you are phasing in over the next year? How do you kind of see the timing of that?

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

We’ll be looking at things as we head into the holiday season. We don’t have – I don’t have a specific date or timing for you but we’ll be looking at them in the coming weeks and months here. As I did say in the prepared remarks, we really haven’t maybe tweaking here and there but for the most we have not had any circuit wide increases in either our concession or our box office pricing since I believe it’s April of 2013. And so – and that was intentional. There was a specific strategy in place here as we’re creating this value proposition and so- we do believe that this fall will be the time for us to be looking at some of those.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Yes, I mean the idea to Doug's point was that we were – it was very intentional. The theater gang there said look at, let’s make these improvements, let’s put this stuff in and let’s let people come in and see what we’re doing. Let's give them a little taste of how good it is and then we’ll go from there as opposed to starting with the price increase. That didn’t make sense to us.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Yes, okay. Okay. And then just one comment, Greg, you talked a little about layering in kind of the business group convention type stuff. How would you say across the nine hotels, what would you get a sense of that kind of business customer today? Has that continued to do well? Would you say you recovered to the old levels pre-2007? Where are you kind of with the business guy?

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

I would tell you, it’s getting better. It’s not where it was, because it’s a combination of still less group business and spending less when they are there. But, it’s better, it’s improving and it continues to improve and I think it’s going to be one of these cases of a slow and steady issue goes. But that's going to be - there should be some pretty good leverage in that as we move along.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Okay. And then, anything on the Von Maur project, the Brookfield at Road, or excuse me, the Bluemound Avenue, the project?

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

Yes, we didn't want to use this earnings release as a time to be talking, making announcements about that but there's a lot going on behind that, we’re still very excited about the project and there is some – I think we’ll be talking – you will be hearing a lot more from us on that in the very near future. Good things are happening and so - I’ll just leave that for the moment and you’ll be hearing from us on that shortly.

Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Demsey Management. Please proceed.

All right, guys. Thanks much.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Hamilton with Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

Ryan Hamilton - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

Hey guys, I was wondering if we could talk real briefly about Ghost Busters re-release. Is that something you guys see happening more frequently, or is that something that is just happening because of a weak schedule?

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

I think you’ll see more things like that again, all said and done the question is, how relevant is it? And I think time will play out. For example, we got – we were able to get an exclusive showing of – a bunch of our theaters the Wizard of Oz that first week in September.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

It’s the benefit of digital. You’re going to see more repertory film with the benefit of digital because they don’t have to go and strike a thousand prints to do it. They can start to move that film into our complex as much more easily and much more efficiently. And so you will see more of it absolutely.

Ryan Hamilton - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

Is that something you charge a full price for or is that a discounted price?

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

We’re looking at each other.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

I don’t know. I want to tell you that I have every answer you have a question for.

Ryan Hamilton - Morgan Dempsey Capital Management

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

Well, I stumped you. Well, I appreciate it guys.

Greg Marcus

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

Thank you.

Doug Neis

Analyst · Morgan Dempsey Capital Management. Please proceed.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, it appears there are no other questions. I’d like to turn the call back to Mr. Neis, for any additional closing comments.

Doug Neis

Analyst

Well, listen everybody, we sure appreciate you all joining us again today. Maybe we’ll see some of you at our upcoming annual meeting on Wednesday, October 1st, at our North Shore Cinema in Mequon, Wisconsin, get to experience those DreamLounger seats and our UltraScreen DLX there. And, for those of you who cannot attend, we will be webcasting the meeting. We also look forward to talking to you once again at December, when we release our fiscal 2015 second quarter. And till then, thanks and have a great day.