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Seres Therapeutics, Inc. (MCRB)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Fri, Mar 17, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Seres Therapeutics Q4 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I'd like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Carlo Tanzi, Head of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Sir, please begin.

Carlo Tanzi

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. A press release with the company's fourth quarter 2016 financial results and a progress update became available at 7:00 AM Eastern Time this morning and can be found on the Investors and Media section of the company's Web site. We also issued a second press release this morning summarizing recent FDA feedback regarding the SER-109 program and our plans for further development. I'd like to remind you, that we'll be making forward-looking statements including those about our future expectations, our SER-109 development plans, the potential for the SER -- for ECOSPOR 3 trial to quality as a pivotal study, the timing and results of our clinical studies and our cash flow and business forecasts. Actual results may differ materially. Additionally, these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties which are discussed under the Risk Factors section of our recent SEC filings. Any forward-looking statements made on today's call represent our views as of today only. We may update these statements in the future but we disclaim any obligation to do so. On today's call, I'm joined by Dr. Roger Pomerantz, Seres' President, CEO and Chairman; and Eric Shaff, Chief Financial Officer. I will now pass the call over to Roger.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Thanks, Carlo, and thank you all for joining us. Seres continues to make excellent progress in our efforts to develop a totally new field of medicine, using bacteria to treat disease. We are working to advance our microbiome therapeutics platform to develop a novel class of biologically active drugs that are designed to treat serious human diseases by restoring the function of a dysbiotic microbiome where the natural state of bacterial diversity is imbalanced. We are specifically focused on serious human diseases where dysbiosis in the gastrointestinal tract is thought to play a key role. Seres is a pioneer and leader in this new microbiome field, and we have continued to advance our understanding of the underlying new science with the goal of developing innovative novel therapeutics. We believe that microbiome therapeutics have the potential to address multiple serious diseases and our R&D efforts target three therapeutic areas. They are infectious diseases, inflammatory and immune diseases, and metabolic diseases. On today's conference call, I will provide an update on our lead program, SER-109, for multiple recurrent C. diff infection and our plans to further clinical development of this program. I will also provide an update on our other clinical development stage microbiome therapeutic candidates. Let's begin with SER-109 and recurrent C. diff infection. Now the standard of care approach for treating C. diff infection is to use of course a specific antibiotics. While antibiotics are often able to treat the C. diff infection, antibiotics also directly disrupt the normal microbiome and place the patient at an increased risk of a C. diff recurrence. After a patient is treated with antibiotics for a C. diff infection, a competitive and dynamic race occurs between the repair and reconstitution of the normal commensal microbiome and the outgrowth of C. diff bacteria from residual…

Eric Shaff

Analyst

Thanks Roger and good morning, everyone. Seres reported a net loss of $91.6 million for the full year of 2016 as compared to a net loss of $54.8 million for the prior year. The company reported a net loss of $25.3 million for the fourth quarter of 2016 as compared to a net loss of $19.6 million for the same period in 2015. The increase in Q4 net loss was driven primarily by continued growth in clinical and development expenses as well as increased headcount and ongoing development of the company's microbiome therapeutics platform. The fourth quarter net loss figure was inclusive of $3 million in revenue recognized in association with the company's collaboration with Nestle Health Science. Research and development expenses for the full year of 2016 were $82 million as compared to $38.1 million for the prior year. R&D expenses for the fourth quarter were $20.3 million as compared to $13.9 million for the same period in 2015. The increase in R&D expense during 2016 was primarily due to expenses related to costs associated with our clinical-stage programs, increased headcounts and the advancement of our pre-clinical programs. General and administrative expenses for the full year were $32.6 million as compared to $16.8 million for the prior year. G&A expenses for the fourth quarter were $8.5 million as compared to $5.9 million for the same period in the prior year. The increase in G&A expense was primarily due to increased headcounts and increase in professional fees, and facility expansion support overall growth. 2016 also reflects a full year of costs associated with operating as a public company following our IPO in June of 2015. The decrease in cash balance during the quarter was $26.5 million. Seres ended the fourth quarter with approximately $230 million in cash, cash equivalents, and investments. Cash usage during the fourth quarter was driven primarily by facilities costs, clinical trial costs, and personnel expenses. Included in cash spend for facilities cost for the fourth quarter was $3.4 million related to the completion of our facility buildout including our microbiome manufacturing facility. Our expenses related to the buildout of this facility have now been substantially completed. Now moving to our financial guidance; based on the company's current operating plan including the planned ECOSPOR 3 trial Roger described, we expect that our current -- our existing cash resources will enable us to fund operating expenses and capital expenditure requirements excluding cash inflows or outflows from future business development activities through 2018. I'll now passing the call back over to Roger.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

This has been a productive period for Seres as we have continued to advance our pipeline and as we have completed a very successful dialogue with the FDA and obtained clarity on the design of a new study for SER-109, our lead clinical program. We plan to move our pipeline programs forward with focus and alacrity, and we expect an eventful year ahead. During 2017 we expect to initiate a new and potentially pivotal clinical study with SER-109. We also look forward to two important clinical data readouts from our SER-262 and SER-287 microbiome programs. In addition, we expect continued progress in our other R&D efforts including those in important new disease areas such as metabolic diseases, liver diseases and especially immune-oncology. As I close, I will mention that we have also posted an updated corporate slide presentation on our website that provides a broader overview of the company. Thank you for your continued interest in Seres, and we look forward to keeping you updated on our progress during the coming year. Operator, let's open the line for questions and we would ask that analyst keep to one question and return into the queue with additional questions.

Operator

Operator

Yes, sir. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Ritu Baral of Cowen. Your line is open.

Ritu Baral

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Roger, how confident are you in the new dose and dose timing, but basically was there -- were any additional data internally generated in this interim period or are you -- have you gone with the dosing based on picking apart the Phase 1/2 data? And just related to that, you did mention there was a 97% powering; have your assumptions for placebo response and the delta of a treatment response change given the change in diagnosis methodology?

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Those are two great questions. Let me get to the dose first and then go to the powering of the study and what we've learned. So, if -- as you may remember but I'll just remind everyone, with our root cause analysis we did deep microbiome analyses now using home edited genomic sequencing, not only on our Phase 2 subjects but also in our Phase 1b look back trial where we had excellent data. And as you remember there were two cohorts in 1b. The second cohort used one times 10 to the A dose, the same as we used in Phase 2 but the first cohort was dose ranging from 10 to the 7, all the way up to 10 to the 10. Now with these new technologies that -- that series has been able to develop to look down into the species and even strain level. We were able to show both an engraftment and diversity, there was a dose effect in the first cohort that was not able to be seen using the older 16S Ribosomal Technology that we had back at the time the 1b was done. So using the new technology we had new learning's, we saw this microbiome effect, both kinetically early on as well as the height of diversity; and we compared it to what we saw in the Phase 2 trial. And what we saw is that one times 10 to the eight the effect on the microbiome in the 1b trial versus the Phase 2 were the same but the patients that had the higher doses had a better microbiome effect. When we talked to the FDA, they agreed with us that the dose of about 10-fold what we put in in the Phase 2 trial made the most sense looking…

Ritu Baral

Analyst

Great, thanks for taking -- very helpful. Thanks, Roger. Thanks for taking the question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Terence Lynn of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is Cameron [ph] on for Terence. Thank you for taking our question. Maybe just one quick one, what does the FDA define as a persuasive clinical effect for the new trial?

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

I think what persuasive effect, I don't want to put words in the FDA's mouth, so I'm going to speak for myself. I think persuasive means -- having heard the FDA use that term on many other drugs in my past is that it has to be statistically significant and it has to be clinically meaningful. Clinically meaningful is an interesting topic because depending on the disease, the risk benefit of what you need in the space that varies. I will point out that the Merck monoclonal antibodies that I know pretty well were approved in just C. diff not multiple recurrent, just recurrence depth and there there was only a statistical difference -- there was a statistical difference but it was only 11% active to placebo. I think that shows how desperate people are to get a drug in the space. C. diff is still the largest most communal [ph] infection in the United States, bigger than MRSA. And I think the FDA is looking at this as what it is; a high unmet medical need and the need for drugs for patients who are suffering and dying at about 30,000 a year in the U.S. alone. Hope that helped.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That does, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Joseph Schwartz with Leerink Partners. Your line is open.

Joseph Schwartz

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Thanks for all the clarity. So yes, speaking of the clinical characterization of C. diff, multiply recurrent C. diff relative to the cytotoxin assay, positive C. diff; I know you're going out to a lot more sites and so I'm wondering how would you manage the variability in the way that different clinicians diagnose multiply recurrent C. diff clinically.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Thank you for that question, it's very important. As I've said, compared to much of ID drawing one test -- if you do not pick the right test in multiple recurrent C. diff, you can make an error and I just go through that is that -- well, how does that happen? There can be a patient come in to see me as a clinician saying I've had C. diff many times before, I'm having diarrhea and abdominal pain. You get a PCR test that's positive and you say -- you have C. diff and you can be wrong, that's what we've proven that why it cannot happen because many of these patients have a post C. diff IBS, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, which could be the cause of these symptoms. And number two is, PCR only shows the presence of C. diff genes and carriage of C. diff asymptomatically with outside of toxin production is seen in 30% to 40% of these patients. So in order to make it objective again, cytotoxin, we believe will help the clinicians make the diagnosis and not be led astray by IBS and a carriage state of C. diff. We look forward to making this disease more like Hepatitis C or HIV where a test if done -- if the right test is done, the diagnosis is known.

Joseph Schwartz

Analyst

So then it sounds like the objective measure will be the primary endpoint and then maybe subjective measures of secondary endpoints?

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

There will be a lots of secondary endpoints Joe. We want to be very deep in understanding what this drug is so that if we get -- if and when we get persuasive clinical data and launch the drug, we know a lot about its characteristics as we commercialize it.

Joseph Schwartz

Analyst

Great, thanks for taking my questions.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

They were great questions. Thanks Joe.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Bill Tanner of Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

William Tanner

Analyst

Thanks for taking the question, congrats on the progress. So Roger just on the idea on the toxins; [indiscernible] positive. If 109 makes it to the market, will there be a contemplation that patients that would receive the drug need to be confirmed toxin positive? And I'm wondering if you could just speak maybe to the ability of that to be done with current technologies. I mean it seems like that wouldn't be that hard but it does seem like perhaps…

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

No, it's not. It never went away, it's available to all the centers at anywhere that it wouldn't be. We can get it to them easily, this is a very simple fourth generation ELISA and EIA. The only reason PCR was used is because it seemed there was no drawback to it. What we're saying and again, we would like to prove this in our next trial that standard-of-care also has to change, not only for our drug but for patients who we believe are not getting the best diagnosis in this syndrome. It is clear to me that primary C. diff and secondary -- and multiple recurrent C. diff are different clinical syndromes. They may be caused by the same bug but you have syndromatic differences and one of them is, this inability to use PCR with sensitivity and most importantly, specificity in a case and make the diagnosis in multiply recurrent. So where we'd like to see in the trial that we change -- not only how we use 109 after diagnosis but with confirmatory data how standard-of-care in this syndrome changes; this is what happens in orphan diseases though, you learn about them.

William Tanner

Analyst

And Roger, just on -- I don't know if you want to comment on the SAP. Wondering specifically if there might be an ability to look at the data on a responder basis, I guess looking to obviously see to the extent that engraftment took place and patients on a patient by patient basis.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Yes, we're pretty comfortable that engraftment takes place. As I've said what we've learned is that this -- that the dice is cast very early in this disease. It's the race to repair happens within the first week. Remember that almost all recurrences occur in eight weeks but the vast majority occur within two or three weeks. So we think that the kinetics of this is very important and we do think that the engraftment will be more robust as we've shown in the 1b data with new metagenomics sequencing and that's how we're looking at it.

William Tanner

Analyst

Okay, thanks.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Thank you, good question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from John Newman of Canaccord. Your line is open.

John Newman

Analyst

Good morning, thanks for taking my question. I just wondered, do patients need to have a toxin positive results on more than one occasion in order to qualify for study entry? And also how quickly after positive toxin test to patients has to be randomized? Thank you.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Yes, so that those are both good operational questions. They just need a toxin positive in the qualifying episode. We'll assume if they had it there, they've had it before because the qualifying episode is what gets you into the trial. After a cytotoxin positive within 48 hours they would start on their antibiotics, it will only be vancomycin and fidaxomicin. Remember now standard-of-care has changed in recurrent C. diff with Flagyl/metronidazole no longer showing the efficacy, and therefore, not part of guidelines. It is part of guidelines in primary, so it will be vanco or fidaxo. And then after you're done with your 7 to 10 days of this standard-of-care antibiotics, within 48 hours we'll be getting patients randomized and into the trial, again one to one to either get placebo or this increased dose of 109 divided over three days.

John Newman

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Ted Tenthoff of Piper Jaffray. Your line is open.

Ted Tenthoff

Analyst

Sometimes I have to take a step back to move forward, so we're pleased to hear about the progress that you guys are making. I have a kind of higher level question, just with respect to -- appreciating that the C. diff results were clinical and in finding some of those -- that said, was all of this process for you and new technology, it's a new approach that you guys are willing to get. How can you apply those to other programs and really accelerate the path for microbiome therapies more broadly?

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Yes. So thank you for a very insightful question and I'd mentioned that a little bit I'd like to talk more about it now with that question. What we have and as the only company as human data sets is that the human microbiome is best studied in humans, as we've said many times before. Now with whole metagenomic shotgun sequencing that can get down to the resolution of not only species but strains. We can determine what -- in different diseases what particular organisms, what strains are important, we can functionally characterize them, both in metabolomics and other approaches and interactions with the immune system. And we know exactly which organisms engraft in humans. And this is proprietary information, they all don't have the same engraftment capabilities and if you can't look at species and strains, you can figure that out. Then from that data, we do what's called reverse translation and use that data to better rationally design a synthetic drug in a particular space. Think of ulcerative colitis; from the 2H7 trial with whole metagenomic shotgun sequencing in our in silico algorithms, we will know and we already know a little bit about this already, which are the organisms that are present in this biosis, what happens with an initial drug such as to 2H7 and there how can we design based on that retro-translation, the consortia that we would put together in the follow-on to 2H7, the synthetics, in this case CR301 that we've talked about. This can be done in many therapeutic areas and we look forward to using this technology for this reverse translation approach to get at synthetics, not using [indiscernible] but using real data. I hope that helps.

Ted Tenthoff

Analyst

It is, very helpful. And I guess maybe just looking a little bit over the horizon; I appreciate that 109's focus now in getting that clinical potentially registrational study. You know, what are some of the other kind of corporate objectives in terms of applying these learning and these preclinical development efforts to other disease area? Sort of where is the priority going equivalent?

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Yes, so as I tried to say before we're focused in these three therapeutic areas, we're staying in the gut microbiome, what we think we have a lot of very sick important patient groups to interact with. Let me talk a little bit about -- and you'll remember we have interactions with lots of great academics inflammatory bowel disease that Penn -- heamatopeotic stem cell transplantation at Sloan Kettering [ph], liver disease at Mass General, metabolic and obesity at At Mass General, and rare diseases at Penn. But let me highlight one that I haven't mentioned, I did in the script, immuno-oncology is very interesting to us, let me tell you why. We believe that we have knowledge having done the ulcerative colitis data in mouse and in humans to inform our interactions with developing drugs for immuno-oncology purposes, both efficacy, increasing efficacy of checkpoint inhibitors and increasing safety; why is that the case? Autoimmune diseases are clearly the ying-yang of immuno-oncology; why is that? They both are directed to T-regulatory cells, T-regs in the colon, so if you learn about ulcerative colitis or Crohn's disease, you actually learn about the interactions of the microbiome with T-regs that you can then apply to immuno-oncology approaches which we are doing with some depth and alacrity. There has been a number of different papers and there is one presentation that just came out at ASCO that we are looking at very carefully where a signature -- finally a signature for effects of checkpoint inhibitors in patients and the signature is in the microbiome has been reported. These are the sort of data readouts from both our internal labs and our external labs which give us cautious optimism that we can walk into that field and make a meaningful impact for some of these patients. So that's an example.

Ted Tenthoff

Analyst

It really makes a lot of sense Roger, really helpful, thanks very much.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Thanks for the great question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from [indiscernible]. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Roger, congrats on the excellent outcome of the ASP [ph] meeting.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Thanks.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So my question is, given the -- perhaps perception SER-109 has drug-like profile; can you make the comment as to what's the FDA's view on any drug dose response given that perhaps the dose were inadequate in the Phase 2 study?

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Yes, that was -- that's a great question. As I said before in 1b we did have a cohort with a dose ranging study, we've obviously done a lot in animal models; the key point Vernon is the FDA looked at the data and agreed we did not need a dose finding study. They agreed with the single dose increase at about 10-fold what we gave in Phase 2. And I want to just underline, I think both us and the FDA were able to do this with flexibility because of the safety profile of the drug. If this had a high safety signal on something, I'm sure having had experience with that the FDA and our company would want to have and needed to do a dose ranging study to look for maximal tolerated effect. We don't have to do that, we think that's one of the important parts of -- a nice part as someone who has developed small molecules which always have some safety AEs; this gives us the flexibility and the FDA the flexibility to be comfortable with this being the best approach for patients in the next trial. But it's a good question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Awesome, that's awesome and thanks for that confirmation. As a follow-up and I'm sorry if I missed this; you had mentioned that cytotoxin will be used to confirm disease status before each patient is randomized but will you also be -- and I know PCR lead to erroneous diagnosis but will PCR be still conducted and/or be used as confirmation in anyway?

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

We will do both tests in patients, we want to accumulate as much data as we can with every trial we do to not only show -- we will use cytotoxin as the primary diagnostic but we will collect PCR data. Again, we want to know as much as we can about this drug and its interaction with humans; if this is a pivotal trial because it teaches us about the commercialization of the drug.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Awesome. Thanks for taking my question and the follow-up question. Congrats again.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And we have a follow-up from Bill Tanner of Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

William Tanner

Analyst

Roger, you know, you mentioned in your prepared remarks that 109 might be approved as a priority. And you made a comment about CMC and so I wonder if you could elaborate a little bit on that? I mean I'm assuming that the quality isn't something that would really be an issue, but is it more a matter of being able to meet the market demand? And if so, you know, how you think your processes are in place or coming in place to meet that? And whether or not that might provide some kind of an impediment?

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Yes, so this -- it's a great question and I'm very happy to talk about our manufacturing capabilities. As I said we have what we think is something that's unknown in the industry, a true first microbiome GMP-certified lab that can not only deal with our trials but deal with commercialization. We're looking carefully at that, we think we're well prepared to deal with commercialization whenever the drug is approved and launched. We have a Commercial Head as some of you know from Amgen, While Hashad [ph], who is putting together the evaluation of market in this new space in an orphan disease. We feel comfortable that we have a great team, a great lab, a great plan for commercialization to deal with how the FDA would look at it. I'm not going to put words in their mouth but we look at it as the ability to validate the CMC parameters so that they are validated to the level that if this is a pivotal trial, this will be -- that CMC will be considered necessary and sufficient for launch. I would point out that our manufacturing group is led by a number of people who have launched already vaccines and biological drugs at other pharmaceutical companies. So we're comfortable with the people we have, the lab we have, the commercial plan we have, and our interactions with our partners at the FDA.

William Tanner

Analyst

Perfect, thank you very much.

Roger Pomerantz

Analyst

Appreciate the question.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.