Matt Cox
Analyst · your question.
Yes, I mean, so I often, Jack, will be commenting on market conditions versus Matson's conditions, so let me be clear here. We, Matson, saw extremely strong demand all the way through December, and what had happened-and all the way through into January. And what happened was that, because of the pull forward of-or the threat of the change in tariffs, a lot of cargo got advanced, which created a significant amount of congestion in the L.A./Long Beach port complex, a significant backlog of rail demand, a significant filling of West Coast warehouses, and causing lots of disruption in chassis and terminal availability. There were a number of what they call extra loaders, which are unplanned large ship arrivals, which threw the Southern California port complex into disarray, which plays exactly into Matson's strengths. So in a period where we otherwise might have been a little slower, cargo was getting frustrated inside of ocean carriers' terminals for 7, 10 days, 14 days before they became available, and the rail service was similarly negatively impacted. So while we do think there was a definite pull forward in the market, the disruption caused by that pull forward put Matson in this highly differentiated sweet spot, where if you actually want to get your cargo and not have it held hostage on one of the terminals, we were the carrier to use. So we do think there was a pull-forward effect. We do think it will be a little bit slower post-lunar new year. But, you know, those are our thoughts on how it impacted us in the quarter, Jack.