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Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 18, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Matthews International Corporation Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2022 Financial Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Bill Wilson, Senior Director of Finance and Corporate Development for Matthews International Corporation. Thank you. You may begin.

Bill Wilson

Analyst

Thank you, Melissa. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Matthews International fourth quarter and fiscal year-end 2022 conference call. This is Bill Wilson, Senior Director of Finance and Corporate Development. With me today are Joe Bartolacci, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Steve Nicola, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we start, I would like to remind you that our earnings release was posted on our website, www.matw in the Investors section last night. The presentation for our call can also be accessed in the Investors section of the website. In addition, as a reminder, beginning in the first quarter of fiscal 2022, the company transferred surfaces and engineering products business from the SGK Brand Solutions segment to the Industrial Technologies segment, prior period results reflect this new segmentation. Any forward-looking statements in connection with this discussion are being made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Factors that could cause the company's results to differ from those discussed today are set forth in the company's annual report on Form 10-K and other periodic filings with the SEC. In addition, we'll be discussing non-GAAP financial metrics and encourage you to read our disclosures and reconciliation tables carefully before you consider these metrics. In connection with any forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial information, please read the disclaimer included in today's presentation materials located on our website. And now I'll turn the call over to Joe.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst

Thank you, Bill. Good morning. I’m going to apologize in advance, we've got a bit of a head cold this morning. So if I have to break and clear my throat you understand. But going forward, we are pleased with our fiscal '22 results. Despite the continued headwinds that we faced, we exceeded the high end of our revised guidance that was adjusted at the beginning of the third quarter due to the economic impact on our European businesses stemming from the conflict in Ukraine. Our overall results were strong despite headwinds headlined by foreign exchange issues that impacted our year-over-year adjusted EBITDA by over $7 million in addition to the zero contribution from several of our European businesses due to the regional economic conditions. Our EBITDA performance, adjusted for currency impacts was in line with our initial guidance provided last year despite these challenges. Moreover, as noted in our earnings release, we continue to make significant progress in our energy business where we are anticipating significant orders from multiple customers in the coming months. We expect these orders will cover all aspects of our Energy Solutions business, including green mobility solutions like dry electrode and hydrogen fuel cell as well as energy generation like photovoltaic. Our products and services solve some of the most difficult challenges facing the energy storage industry today. And as a result, we are seeing a ramp-up in interest in our industry leading -- in our industry-leading capabilities, resulting in many of the most significant OEMs across the globe knocking on our doors. They recognize our extensive experience in roll-to-roll processing, the core of our specialized equipment derived from our history in printing, which gives us a competitive advantage in the renewable energy market. We believe the increase in orders validates the significance of our…

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Thank you, Joe, and good morning. I'll begin with Slide 7. For the fiscal 2022 fourth quarter, we reported consolidated sales of $457.1 million compared to $438.8 million for the fourth fiscal quarter last year. As indicated in our earnings release yesterday, changes in currency rates had a significant unfavorable impact on reported sales compared to a year ago. On a constant currency basis with last year, consolidated sales for the fiscal 2022 fourth quarter were $41.8 million, or 9.5% higher than a year ago. The increase primarily reflected sales growth in our Industrial Technologies and Memorialization segments and the impact of the recent acquisitions of Olbrich GmbH and R+S Automotive GmbH. These acquisitions, which occurred in August 2022, added approximately $17 million to current quarter sales. For the year ended September 30, 2022, we reported consolidated sales of $1.76 billion compared to $1.67 billion last year, representing an increase of $91.4 million or 5.5%. On a constant currency basis, consolidated sales for fiscal 2022 were $147.7 million, or 8.8% higher than a year ago. Changes in foreign currency rates had unfavorable impacts of $23.6 million and $56.3 million, respectively, on consolidated sales compared to the same quarter and year-to-date period last year. On a GAAP basis, the company reported a net loss of $81 million, or $2.63 per share for the current quarter compared to a loss of $3.7 million or $0.12 per share for the same quarter last year. As a result, primarily of the impact of European market conditions on recent operating results, we recorded a non-cash goodwill impairment charge of $82.5 million, or $2.59 per share for the SGK Brand Solutions segment in the fiscal 2022 fourth quarter. Importantly, in response to these market conditions, we have initiated cost reduction actions for this segment, particularly in…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Steve. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst

Good morning.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

You gave obviously really good qualitative kind of market commentary in terms of outlook. If we look through the various segments, maybe drill down a little bit, if you could, on your organic growth or decline expectations for each of the segments as we kind of look at fiscal '23 that's embedded in the guidance? And any cadence of that growth would be helpful as well.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst

Okay, Dan. Good morning, first off. There's a lot to be unbundled in that question, but let's see what I can do with that. So when I take a look at our Industrial Technologies segment, especially as it relates to our energy business, but also with some of the other aspects, product identification and so forth. When we look on a constant currency basis, the growth is significant. The reality is when we look at energy, most of that revenue is derived out of Germany. And the currency right now will be lower next year. We're very clear about that, at least at this point in the game and materially lower than it has been over the last three years. So organic growth in the Energy business and in the Industrial Technologies business would be good. When we look at our Memorialization segment, as we said in my comments -- as I said in my comments, normalization has occurred from a death rate standpoint. We've seen that in some of our third quarter and back and clearly in our fourth quarter. So we're expecting a modest reduction in our EBITDA business -- for that business as we look into next year, with some of that reduction going to be currency impacted, but not a lot. With SGK, we're expecting growth. There are -- we don't know what is going to happen in Europe. And you heard in my commentary, we got little or no contribution out of our European businesses. And if you think about our performance this year relative to what our expectations were without what has traditionally been a strong European market, we would be significantly better. So we're expecting our cost structure initiatives over there to improve our overall performance at SGK given us organic growth, but we're going to have some issues that we're going to deal with, like the sales revenue are going to be lower. I mean, we're going to have more currency drop, but our EBITDA is going to be higher because of the actions we've taken. So it's a mixed bag based on geographies. But as I look at the business from an overall basis, we are performing well. It's just challenging markets in which we're operating in.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

That's really helpful. Drilling down on Industrial, just kind of housekeeping. What did Olbrich contribute to revenue in Q4? Is it still about $100 million plus or minus contribution for fiscal '23? And just talk about the road map toward getting those margins up towards kind of segment averages over what time frame and the levers you plan to pull?

Steven Nicola

Analyst

So I'll let Joe take the back half of that, Dan. But for the quarter, the Olbrich, R+S acquisitions added about $17 million to our top line.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst

So let me -- and let me just tell you, look, we are always abundantly transparent and one of the transparencies we gave to the market last quarter we bought a business that does $100 million plus or minus, depending on currency rates for $43 million. We said back then it was not going to contribute. We are buying capacity and we are buying product lines that are part of our overall solution. We are looking at a business that's going to go into next year where we are just being inundated with orders for traditional Olbrich business. But frankly, we may have to walk from some of those orders because I have to fulfill energy orders first. We bought capacity. That capacity is extensive. It's an engineering capacity that is rotary process knowledge is not readily available around the world. These guys brought a lot of 160 engineers that can do that. So what I'm expecting out of Olbrich next year is going to be not a whole lot from their business significantly, but a significant part of our ability to deliver on the energy side of the business next year. We'll move into further integration of that business and capitalizing on what I think is a very, very good business over there, but it's going to take probably a year or maybe more to we're able to address that. And then it will be a nice contributor to the overall business on top of the energy business that we have.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Got it. And then last for me, and I'll jump out. But you obviously alluded to it, Joe, but any more color you can provide around the inflation Reduction Act generally, but more specifically, the impact on inbound interest for your dry electrode processing capabilities. You mentioned multiple customers. You expect orders from multiple customers. Is that mainly Europe, North America, all over? And if that -- is the inquiries -- are they starting to translate into firm orders?

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst

So where we stand at this point in time is, our team is basically taking inbound calls on a daily basis from new people. And it is not just dry electrode. We've been telling the market, and I'm not sure the market understands it. We are operating in overall renewable energy. The orders that we're looking at are significantly dry electrode at this point in time. But we're dealing with a hydrogen fuel cell, which is at its nascent stages of its development as a viable solution. We are the provider of that and we have intellectual property rights in that space as well. We're also looking at photovoltaics. Photovoltaics has been a good market, but the evolution that can occur as a result of rotary processing, being able to basically print a solar panel is materially different than how it's produced today. So not to -- I mean we're going to get some orders. They're not going to be to the magnitude of dry electrode at this point in time, but I assure you that as we go forward in the years to come, they will be a significant part of where we're going. Secondly, your question is on the Inflation Reduction Act. The most misnamed bill passed in Washington in the last several years. There are literally hundreds of billions of dollars that are being thrown at energy production in the United States, and we're getting inquiries from around the world, literally around the world. Some of the biggest players in the battery space, in the auto space and new entrants from new markets in other parts with a lot of government funding to be able to support this we are more challenged with the ability to address all these than we are with trying to figure out what our revenues are going to be next year. We're -- right now, I will tell you that we have at least 7 million active joint development agreements that we're talking about with folks. Now to put it in -- frankly, we've been very clear about this. So don't -- I don't want to translate this into magnanimous kind of projections into next year. We are -- the solution that we offer is materially different than what the current state of battery production is in the world. Many of those people are figuring that out, but many of them have never produced a battery yet. So the evolution of where they are relative to some of the largest players that are already moving down the line of dry electrode is materially behind, they'll catch up. So these joint development agreements are going to result in, I would call it, more modest orders at this point in time, but they will be the orders of '24 and '25 and beyond.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

All right. And I’ll jump back with any follow-ups. Thank you again.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Liam Burke with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Liam Burke

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning, Joe. Good morning, Steve.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, Liam. You sound like me.

Liam Burke

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

I don’t feel as bad, but yeah, good.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Liam Burke

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Warehouse management, you've had fits and starts over the last several years on COVID trying to act getting access to facilities, et cetera. What does the business look like now? Has it normalized? And are you seeing nice progressive sales growth and backlog growth here?

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

So our order rates are -- I mean, let's put it this way, barring customer cancellations because of economic issues that we don't control. Our backlog and order rates continue to be strong to the point where we're pretty comfortable that they already have in the bag next year's target. So we're having good growth there, continue to have it. And this is even before we start to kind of look beyond the borders that we have today. So yes, I mean, I've heard commentary that some folks in the market I think we play with -- we're small players in the small market with small customers. I can't read you the names because of who we deal with, but I assure you we are best-of-breed in the marketplace when it comes to this, and our customer list reads like a hoo-zoo.

Liam Burke

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Great. And I guess, Steve mentioned that the price increases on memorialization, we push through to help offset the margin decline. You had a nice sequential improvement. Can we continue to see that into next year as margins? Can we expect the margins to continue to improve and get closer to what the historic levels were?

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

So you're going to see margin percentage improvement as we've recovered some of what we did not recover in pricing last year. That's why my commentary with respect to we expect pricing to remain throughout the year as we pick up the cost that we've been absorbing. So that will improve margin. But one of the things that we have not done in the industry as a whole has not really done is passed on cost plus margins. So we're going to get better on the margins and what we're going to see significant improvement is going to be our cremation Environmental Solutions business, where we've had more challenges than we've had elsewhere. So I would expect that as our casketed revenues drop, our cemetery revenues should will climb, but more importantly, the profitability of our environmental solutions will get better, making our overall performance in that entire division relatively flat to modestly down.

Liam Burke

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Great. Thank you, Joe.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Justin Bergner with Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Justin Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, everyone.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, Justin.

Justin Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

I hope you’re doing well, Joe and Steve. First question relates to the growth in industrial technologies that you're envisioning in the fiscal 2023 year. Is it mainly coming from energy storage and the other businesses are more flattish or is there a contribution in the growth from Northern Energy?

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

No. The more significant dollar addition on the top line, Justin -- first off, good morning. The more significant top line addition comes from the balance of the year that we're adding for Olbrich. That will add roughly $75 million of the top line that we're expecting next year depending on how much we actually deliver out of Olbrich based on the commentary I made earlier on -- we're going to use a lot of those resources to deliver elsewhere. So that's most -- but all three of the segments to different magnitudes are growing at very, very good rates is our expectation next year. Obviously, given the magnitude of the orders we're seeing in our energy business, we hope that will grow more significantly next year. But I have -- I've kind of warned this before and I continue to do it again, we do not control delivery. I mean it's not in our control to be able to say a $30 million piece of equipment you need to take tomorrow. So we have been here before where the timing of the recognition of revenues are not in our control. But it doesn't change the fact that the order rates that we're seeing support a higher level of revenues for next year. It's our best guess right now and when we put out the numbers that we're talking about, what we think will -- our customers will be ready to accept and we'll be ready to deliver.

Justin Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And then so the major variability in the $215 million to $235 million EBITDA range, if you had to single out the biggest variable is the ability to translate orders to revenue in energy storage?

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, no question. That -- it is 150% the timing of those deliveries. I mean the one thing I'll stress, if you think about this, even at the midpoint, Justin, we're talking about a $225 million EBITDA next year on a constant currency relative to prior year. That's a 10%. But if we deliver the high end of that, which is where I said, we start to approach that $500 million, we're going to deliver the equivalent of $245 million on a year-over-year basis. And that is over 20% growth in 1 year at a time where most of the market is wondering what the heck's going to happen post COVID in our Memorialization business.

Justin Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. And can the EBITDA margins in industrial technologies can -- I mean, are those expected to continue to trend up versus, I think, the close to 17% level you did this year in your view for 2020?

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

I mean, our expectations is yes. I mean, we think there's several factors on that. The timing of recognition of revenue will impact when we recognize and the amount of income we're able to recognize. We're also still spending a fair amount of R&D in all those businesses and continuing to develop. The actual margins will be higher when we exclude and perhaps we start to give you an R&D spend. You don't get to these points -- these businesses from a growth standpoint without spending on research and development that we've been spending for a while on these businesses to get here.

Justin Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And then lastly, on Industrial Technologies. Can you maybe just give a better sense as to what's changed on the hydrogen fuel cell and photovoltaic – big opportunity…

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Photovoltaic, how about we just say solar panels?

Justin Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Solar panels, I know that's something that you haven't spoken about as much until now. So just trying to get a sense as to what's driving the inflection there if there's any inflecting drivers on the hydrogen fuel cell as well?

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

In hydrogen fuel cell, clearly, it's the same discussion that we said with regard to the Inflation Reduction Act. I mean hydrogen fuel cell is what we believe and what I think for the industry's consent is going to be the solution for over the road trucking, for your buses, for planes and ships when you're looking at alternative energies for those folks, it is basically the production of entry with a waste product being water. It is a viable, more costly solution today but the real issue is whether or not we can produce what is called a bipolar plate and bipolar plate is a critical part of the overall hydrogen fuel cell. The company we bought in Olbrich comes with also a solution for the coding of those bipolar plates and the rotary processing of a bipolar plate, which we should show you some pictures of what they look like, is what's going to change the viability of hydrogen fuel cells as a solution for the industry. You might have heard, I think Toyota is spending a lot of money. They announced over the next several years in building a factory for bipolar plate -- excuse me, for hydrogen fuel cell engines for lack of a better term. So I believe it's in Kentucky. We think that will come just like lithium has come, but we're -- it's behind the curve relative to the development side.

Justin Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from the line of Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Thank you. Again, just a little bit of housekeeping, but following up on that discussion on margins on the industrial side, I assume the margin expansion that you're referring to would be excluding the impact of Olbrich given that I believe that will flow into the industrial piece of the business. Is that correct?

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst

Yeah. That is correct. That is correct. I mean like I said earlier, we're going to have to make some unfortunate decisions. The team has done a wonderful job as some of the trade shows they've been able to -- where a lot of the sales are done on Olbrich equipment occur that we just attended a very successful trade. So for the first time since COVID start started, and we see great order rates coming out of that. Unfortunately, some of that's going to have to be either pushed out or turned down if we -- when we land these other orders on the energy side where we need all hands on deck.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Yeah. Just wanted to make sure that would avoid any modeling and our expectations to shoes on that.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst

Yes, please, don't hammer us with both.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

All right. That was it. Thanks again.

Joe Bartolacci

Analyst

Okay.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our question-and-answer session. I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Wilson for any final comments.

Bill Wilson

Analyst

Thank you, Melissa, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today and your interest in Matthews. For any additional information about the company, I encourage you to visit our website or contact me directly. Thank you, and enjoy the rest of your day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.