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Matthews International Corporation (MATW)

Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 22, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Matthews International Corporation Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2019 Financial Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Bill Wilson, Senior Director of Corporate Development for Matthews International Corporation. Thank you. You may begin.

Bill Wilson

Analyst

Thank you, Melissa. Good morning everyone and welcome to the Matthews International fourth quarter 2019 earnings call. This is Bill Wilson and with us today are Joe Bartolacci, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Steve Nicola, our Chief Financial Officer.Before we start, I would like to remind you that our earnings release and financial disclosures were posted on our website, www.matw.com, in the Investors section last night. Presentation for our call can also be accessed in the Investors section of the website.As a reminder, any forward-looking statements in connection with this discussion are being made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Factors that could cause the company's results to differ from those discussed today are set forth in the company's annual report on Form 10-K, and other periodic filings with the SEC.In addition, we will be discussing non-GAAP financial metrics and encourage you to read our disclosure and reconciliation tables carefully as you consider these metrics. In connection with any forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial information, please read the disclaimer also included in today's presentation materials located on our website.And now I'll turn the call over to Steve.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Thank you, Bill. Good morning. Please turn to slide four. For the fiscal 2019 fourth quarter, the company reported consolidated sales of $392 million compared to $407 million a year ago. Consistent with the previous quarters of this year, our consolidated sales comparability for the fourth quarter was significantly affected by unfavorable changes in foreign currency exchange rates, and the loss of a significant client account in our U.S. brand business early in the fiscal year.In addition, sales for the current quarter were also impacted by delays in several significant projects in our Industrial Technologies segment. However, consolidated sales for the current quarter were favorably impacted by sales growth in the Memorialization segment and higher private-label brand market sales.On a non-GAAP basis, the company recorded a loss per share of $2.28 for the current quarter compared to income of $0.93 per share last year. The loss for the current quarter resulted from a noncash goodwill write-down. As we announced following our third quarter, the company initiated a strategic review of several of its operations, including the commercial and operational structure within the SGK Brand Solutions segment.Based on the expected impact of this review on future operating structure and related projections, the company reassessed the valuation of goodwill related to the Graphics Imaging reporting unit within the SGK Brand Solutions segment and recorded a noncash write-down of approximately $78 million.On a non-GAAP basis, adjusted earnings were $1.1 per share for the fiscal 2019 fourth quarter compared to $1.23 last year. The decline primarily reflected the decrease in consolidated sales and lower operating income for the current quarter.Please turn to slide five. On a year-to-date basis, our consolidated sales were $1.54 billion compared to $1.6 billion last year. The combined impact of the previously reported brand client account loss and significant currency…

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Thank you, Steve. Good morning. Our fiscal year fell short of our expectations. We had expected a very strong fourth quarter, but due to factors outside of our control, we are unable to make up the shortfall. As you are aware, during the quarter -- we continued to face the impact of the loss of a significant brand account and increased commodity and freight costs.But several other challenges prevented us from achieving our goals, specifically significant orders in our Industrial Technologies segment, both in our product identification business and our warehouse automation businesses were pushed off into fiscal 2020.In addition, delays in the release of several cremation equipment orders and a significant waste-to-energy incineration project impacted our fourth quarter Memorialization results relative to our expectations.Finally, a significant drop in orders from our tobacco customers and a significant shift to lower margin surfaces products during the quarter significantly impacted the European portion of our brand business. In general, we enter each quarter with a potential -- with potential pluses and minuses, and our guidance usually reflects our best estimates of what we will deliver. Historically, we have had some wins and some losses in our estimates, which have yielded results, which have been relatively close.Rarely, however, have we had situations where none of our significant expected wins are realized during the quarter. Despite these issues, our businesses remain strong and we are executing on our strategies.For example, we have long said that our memorialization business continued to improve its operating efficiency and branch out into related areas, which we believe will mitigate the demographic trends we face.This quarter reflects that strategy well. We saw positive revenue trends in our Funeral Home Products business, our Bronze business, our granite business and our environmental solutions business, despite the deferral of several projects.Our EBITDA…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]Our first question comes from the line of Jason Rodgers with Great Lakes Review. Please proceed with your question.

Jason Rodgers

Analyst

Yes, good morning.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Good morning.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Good morning Jason.

Jason Rodgers

Analyst

The delayed orders that you talked about in industrial and then for the cremation and incineration equipment. Any way to quantify those? And do you expect to realize most of those in the first quarter?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Well, the orders are significant. Let's put it that way. I mean they range anywhere from some of the cremation equipment at $150,000 to $200,000 that was delayed to some of the installations in our product identification that were in the $1.5 million to $3 million range. We had on the automation side, $6 million or $7 million, not all of which would have occurred in the fourth quarter.The fact of the matter is they are orders that we have received and that orders will be delivered in 2020. Some of those orders cannot be delivered in the first quarter. When we started in the second quarter, for example, the warehouse business, you aren't in people's warehouses during the Christmas season, so we won't even start that now until early January, beginning of February. So, it will be in 2020, but not necessarily in the first quarter.

Jason Rodgers

Analyst

And I wonder if you could talk more about the waste energy market, what your expectations are as far as revenues in fiscal 2020 and then longer term, and then how do you see that whole market developing for you?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

So, we are very, very, very early into the marketplace. This is something that's going on in the U.K., but is expanding greatly around the world. We got a call -- just to give you an example, we had a call the other day from a cruise ship operator to look at these facilities for islands where they have landing zones for some of these cruise ships.So, the market is beginning. Each one of these installations can go anywhere from $2 million to $5 million. And the potential for these would be material, let's put it that way, material to our to our Memorialization business, and is part of why we say, our business will continue to grow topline over time.

Jason Rodgers

Analyst

And is there anything that you're doing that maybe the competitors aren't in that market? Or is it just such a new and developing market it's too early to talk about?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

There is -- there are very, very, very few players of our size. I mean there are plenty of guys that produce very, very big incineration equipments for municipal sites. Ours generate -- generally operate somewhere around 20,000 tons a year. They're smaller, more adept for smaller locations, smaller towns, smaller facilities, whatever it may be. There really has not been anybody in there. It's just an extension of our cremation equipment business, just a lot bigger.

Jason Rodgers

Analyst

All right. Thank you.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning Dan.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks Joe and Steve. Can you maybe help frame or bucket the $25 million projected annual cost savings you expect to achieve from restructuring kind of run rate as we exit fiscal 2020 and then the overall cost to achieve. I think there was $10 million called out in Q4. So, I'll leave it at that and then a follow-up. Thanks.

Steven Nicola

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Sure. Yes. Dan, yes, there was -- you're right. We had a fair amount of cost to achieve as we were going through the project or at least the start of the project in the fourth quarter. But as you would expect, there is still more to come. In fact, particularly as we get to the implementation stages of it. There will not be a significant amount of that realized -- the benefit realized, I should say, in fiscal 2020.And when we talk about a $25 million annual run rate, we expect to be at that run rate, I would say, toward the end of fiscal 2021. So, just -- if I'm putting a number on it, maybe a $5 million run rate by the end of fiscal 2020. But obviously, a lot of the benefit really starts to come in, in 2021 and beyond.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Timing is very helpful in terms of bucketing those, whether it's just personnel, corporate--

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

So, just to give you kind of a frame. As we kind of see it, Dan, this is two parts. First off, it's the back office we've talked about. And as you know, we've grown this business through a lot of acquisitions. It's time to integrate those businesses into a centralized function. We think there's $10 million to $12 million worth of back-office functions as we consolidate globally into three sites. The balance of $30 million to $35 million is going to come out of SGK.And it's really capitalizing on what we have done from an ERP system to be able to connect these businesses around the world and more level load and move more work into offshore sites that we currently operate at. So, it's a heavy lift, I won't suggest it's not, but a large portion of it is taking business that we are currently doing in certain parts of the world and continuing to move it to our offshore sites.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Perfect. Helpful. So, switching gears, Joe, you gave some color, which is appreciated, in terms of the signs of improvement that you're seeing in Brand Solutions. Any more specificity, are you seeing actual orders -- uptick in orders in tobacco, other areas. We've got some head fakes in the past. So, trying to get a sense for--

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. We've had some--

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Your level of comfort.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Well, here's what we do know. So, I mean -- we generally operate on something that's about 6 weeks out. So, our backlog is not always as significant as we would like. But we have subscribed to some information that kind of gives us a look back over the last several quarters though -- actually, over the last 10 years of new SKU launches. And I would tell you, the last three quarters, we are at historically low SKU launches.We are, in some cases, trending at about 30% below on a run rate basis. So, we expect that will turn to normal. As that turns to normal, I don't think it's going to happen in a quarter, but it'll happen over time. We think that, that will ultimately be a good sign for this business as we continue to reduce our cost structure, take advantage of our ERP, the drop-through will be more significant.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And I'll try one more and then jump back in queue maybe, but in terms of product development, spent a good amount over the last few years, just talk about your confidence in achieving the return on that investment, given some of the delays that we've had in new products. And just generally, what are your expectations for product development spend in fiscal 2020 relative to 2019, 2018? Thanks.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Well, let's put it real simple for you. I mean this is what we look at. This is a $1.5 billion market we don't participate in today to any great extent. So, we think the product that we're developing, we spent somewhere in the $35 million range. The opportunity we -- Steve has--

Steven Nicola

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Cumulatively.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Cumulatively. Yes, not in any year.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

No indeed.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

But we spent about $35 million for it. But we think the opportunity that is presented to recover those costs and have a substantial rate of return over a period of time is significant. So, we're not as concerned about the rate of returns as we are about getting the product on the shelf. We also don't want to make a mistake here and go out too early and have it fail in the field for us.So, we've got -- we've had some fits and starts on some of the production side. It's a pretty tight process we're on right now. We expect to have better information for you in the next several months or maybe a couple of quarters. But we remain confident that if the solution works, as we believe it will, the return won't be the issue.The other thing that you should also know, Dan, we -- you should see these opportunities as we see them. We don't call out a lot of these items that are going on, but the waste-to-energy solution is an R&D project. The energy storage facility, I mean, the know-how and the patents that we own in that space is an R&D project.We don't call out a lot of this stuff because it's not as significant, and frankly, not as big of a market opportunity as the one we're calling out. But we have other things like this that have yielded the results historically, and we have a track record of getting there.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

And then just the overall level of spend embedded in the guide, Steve?

Steven Nicola

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Excuse me, Dan, say that again.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

The level of R&D spend embedded in the mid-single-digit EPS guide, just year-over-year, that's all.

Steven Nicola

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

It's about, I'd say, $5 million to $6 million range.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you very much.

Steven Nicola

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

No problem.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Clement with Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Joe, Steve, good morning.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning Jamie.

Steven Nicola

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning Jamie.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Hey. Following up a little bit on Dan's question. As we look to fiscal 2020, the cost to achieve those ultimate cost savings, but also looking at whether it's residual acquisition integration cost, residual ERP stuff or just other strategic initiatives, just try to bridge adjusted EBITDA to free cash flow. What do you think the cash cost in those buckets might be?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

It's going to be about $20 million to achieve this. Most of that is going to be severance related and has everything to do with -- you can call it, residual acquisition integration, you can call it taking our business into a more futuristic state, whatever you would call it.If we had this ERP system when we bought these businesses, it would have been called out as acquisition cost. We would have integrated them at that time. Today, we're going back and integrating them after we got an ERP. So, that's how we look at it, Jamie.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. So, all-in, Steve, I think I -- was the all-in number maybe $24 million, $25 million or so in 2019. Is that right, all those things?

Steven Nicola

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

I guess I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve, Jamie?

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, I'm just -- I'm looking at the -- as I think about bridging adjusted EBITDA to your free cash flow for next year, right? So, this past year, acquisition cost, I think, were like $8.4 million; ERP integration, $5.8 million; strategic initiatives and other charges, $10.6 million. So, I think that's what $24 million, $25 million or so.

Steven Nicola

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, actually, on a pretax basis, those items would be about $30 million.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. So, those -- right, right. I suppose -- got it. Got it, got it. Okay. So, the -- and you're saying the $20 million is on a pretax basis?

Steven Nicola

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Correct.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Correct.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Cool. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. And then capital spending?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Low 40s.

Steven Nicola

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, capital spending, it's -- this year, it was a little bit lower than our average. I expect it to be about our average. So, call it, low 40s.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

The one thing I would tell you Jamie is we might have a little bit of a bump in there as we are building a new facility in Indonesia to support our tobacco customers. That's in -- that'll be in our numbers this year.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

And then, Joe, now that you mentioned tobacco. You spoke, I think, about a little bit more comfort about the sales outlook in Brand in Europe. Obviously, you got some reasonably significant broader macro headwinds in Europe. Are you comfortable enough with, for example, your tobacco business over there that you can call for like more stabilization and potentially even improvement in a couple of quarters?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

So, -- I mean the way I look at it is that given where we are, we finished the fourth quarter unexpectedly. I don't expect that to change in the first quarter because we have -- that's the one customer we do have some visibility on -- customers that we see some visibility on. I would expect to start to see some more order intake by the end of this calendar year that would start to be realized into the second quarter or so.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, I guess, Joe, what I'm getting at--

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

I just don't know when.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. No, what I'm getting at is, I mean, I think, tobacco is kind of a unique situation where -- that's conceivably a reason why you could feel more comfortable despite the macro backdrop being kind of dicey over there.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Well, that as well as the large energy storage project we talked about, I mean that's a significant project. I mean -- I -- and we think that is a pretty good topline opportunity for us as well as the bottom-line. So, we've got to execute on it. And it's a first-of-a-kind project, but we think it's got some legs.

Jamie Clement

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, Terrific. Thanks very much for your time.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Hi Jamie.

Steven Nicola

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks Jamie.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]Our next question comes from the line of Austin Nelson with AIG. Please proceed with your question.

Austin Nelson

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. Thanks for the question. Just looking at the memorialization performance this year. The EBITDA margins are down on the higher material and transportation costs. Just trying to get a sense for what the mid-single-digit EBITDA growth assumes in that segment next year, just given that numbers that are near all-time lows, steel has been falling dramatically, and freight has come down quite a bit. Are you expecting a benefit in that model or--

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

Yes.

Austin Nelson

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

Yes? Okay.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Austin, so in my comments I said that we saw mitigating of the commodity costs. Unfortunately for us, though, it works through our inventory system, it's about a five to six-month process to get it to our bottom-line. We saw that drop off towards latter part of our fiscal year. It'll start to be a benefit to us, we believe, into the second and third quarter of our calendar year -- of our next -- our 2020, excuse me.

Austin Nelson

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

Of 2020. So, we should actually -- if this were to persist, we could see a benefit into 2021 as well?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

And as part of what we're anticipating from our bottom-line growth opportunity.

Austin Nelson

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And then just one last one. Despite the pressures the cash generation has still been pretty good. And I understand CapEx is a little bit lower this year, and you paid down some debt, but also bought back some stock. Just kind of given where your stock is trading and I know you boosted the dividend.How do you think about use of cash, and you slowed down acquisitions, I understand you're trying to -- now that you've got the ERP system and you're trying to integrate, should we expect additional acquisitions? Do you -- is it a more balanced approach? I know you still want to get leverage down. Just trying to understand that.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

So, this past year, Austin, was a relatively unique year in terms of some of the cash demands from the acquisition standpoint. As you know, some of the things that -- we don't get to pick and choose when things come to market. We don't currently see things that are imminent that I have to pull the trigger on, otherwise I lose the opportunity.So, I would tell you, in the near-term, you'd see us more focused on the debt repayment. Were stock prices were in the high 20s, low 30s, we would have been very active in the stock buyback. We'll see where the stock ends up over the course of the next six weeks and decide whether we need to be active or not. But I would tell you that we are mostly -- you'll see continuing pay down of debt.

Austin Nelson

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

That's great. Thank you guys.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst · AIG. Please proceed with your question.

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Wilson for any final comments.

Bill Wilson

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Melissa. And thank you for joining us today and your interest in Matthews. For additional information, I'll remind you to look at our company website for our financial and more information about our company results. Thank you and enjoy the rest of your day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.