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Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 16, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the fiscal year end conference call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Mr. Steve Nicola, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Thank you, Jeff, good morning. I'm Steve Nicola. On the call with me today is Joe Bartolacci, President and CEO of Matthews. Today's conference call has been scheduled for 1 hour and will be available for replay at approximately 11:00 a.m. today. To access the replay, please dial 1 (320) 365-3844 and enter the access code 267624. The replay will be available until 11:59 p.m., November 30, 2012. We have posted on our website, which is www.matw.com, the fourth quarter earnings release and financial information we will discuss this morning. On the top of our homepage, under the Investor tab, click on Investor News to access the earnings release. For the quarterly financial data, click on Financial Reports to access the information under the section Matthews International Quarterly Reports. The documents are presented in a PDF file format. Before beginning the discussion, at the advice of legal counsel, I have been advised to read the following disclaimer as it pertains to forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statements in connection with this discussion are being made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results in future periods to be materially different from management's expectations. Although the company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, no assurance can be given that such expectations will prove correct. Factors that could cause the company's results to differ from those discussed today are set forth in the company's annual report on Form 10-K and other periodic filings with the SEC. In addition, please note that the balance sheet, income statement and cash flow information provided today are preliminary data, since our annual report on Form 10-K for the…

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Thank you, Steve. Good morning. Our fourth quarter results were in line with our expectations. As we have communicated during our last call, we initiated a surge effort during the quarter to accelerate the completion of our ERP implementation in our Cemetery Products division. The cost of the surge, coupled with other onetime costs primarily associated with anticipated cost reduction initiatives, impacted our reported results. But on a non-GAAP basis, we performed as expected. Let me summarize the results for you. First and foremost, the surge effort in our Cemetery Products division has resulted in significant improvement in a throughput of our foundries. Delivery and productivity are normalizing, and we remain comfortable with our guidance of completing the surge in the early part of the second quarter. As a result of these improvements, customer satisfaction has greatly improved, thus some of the excess costs associated with expedited orders will subside. We will, however, continue to incur higher-than-normal labor costs and other inefficiencies during Q1 and 2 of the new fiscal year as we finalize our surge effort. We believe that we have anticipated this higher level of costs in our guidance for 2013. As I indicated above, however, as part of our fiscal 2012 fourth quarter, we anticipate cost reduction actions to occur during fiscal 2013. And as a result, we expect our workforce reductions to occur throughout the year. On an annualized basis, we expect the workforce reduction to generate about $10 million in savings, largely beginning in the third quarter. Furthermore, as we continue to fully utilize our new ERP, we expect to capture additional cost-savings opportunities. For example, we recently began a strategic sourcing initiative that engaged in strategic sourcing partner to assist us with maximizing our global spend. Although we expect the savings derived from this…

Steven Nicola

Analyst

At this time, we would like to open the call to questions. [Operator Instructions]

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Daniel Moore with CJS Securities.

Dan Moore

Analyst

What -- give us a sense for what organic revenue growth rates you're contemplating for the 2 segments for memorialization, and as well as, Brand Solutions that's embedded in your fiscal '13 guidance?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

I will tell you mid to low-single digits.

Dan Moore

Analyst

And that's for both?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Correct.

Dan Moore

Analyst

For each of those segments, okay. And then switching gears a little bit, looking at the Wetzel acquisition, are you still on track to close during fiscal Q1? And what type of earnings contribution do you expect in '13?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

We have just recently, Dan, received the EUs Federal Trade Commission or their equivalent over there approval. We expect to close sometime in early December, and the impact through the year is yet to be fully determined, but we expect it to be contributory and accretive day 1.

Dan Moore

Analyst

So some positive earnings contribution, but nothing more specific beyond on that?

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Dan, it will be accretive to earnings during the year, but what we haven't -- what we don't have an estimate on is the acquisition costs and....

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Transition costs as well.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Yes, as we go through all of those accounting measures that require of those costs to be expensed. So when we figure those out, we still expect a net positive for the year.

Dan Moore

Analyst

Got it. And lastly, do you have, Steve, the contribution from Everlast for revenue for the quarter?

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Revenue for the quarter...

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Hold on one sec, we'll pull that for you, Dan.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

That might have been $3 million for the quarter.

Dan Moore

Analyst

Roughly $3 million.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Clint Fendley with Davenport.

Clint Fendley

Analyst

I wondered what the unusual item of about $1.6 million was for the Funeral Home segment in the quarter? I'm sorry if I missed that.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

For the Funeral Home Segment...

Steven Nicola

Analyst

For the Funeral Home Products segment, Clint, a couple of things. We do have some cost reduction initiatives in there, but we also had some reversal of contingent consideration from some past acquisitions. So the net of those 2 actually resulted in a net favorable item for the quarter.

Clint Fendley

Analyst

Okay. And also, just switching over on the bronze, I wondered what the impact was in the quarter from copper costs as well?

Steven Nicola

Analyst

For the fourth quarter by itself, actually our fourth quarter fiscal 2012 compared to fourth quarter of fiscal 2011, really not significant. The real impact in terms of the unfavorable impact in fiscal 2012 really happened in the first 3 quarters of the year.

Operator

Operator

We have a question from the line of Jamie Clement with Sidoti.

James Clement

Analyst

Joe, with respect to guidance for fiscal '13, can you -- is your assumption -- I mean obviously, this past year was odd in terms of the magnitude of the decline in total deaths. Is your assumption kind of at -- fiscal 2012 sort of sets the new bar in that fiscal '13 and '14 will reflect the trend that we'd seen over the prior 5 or 10 years? Or you're assuming that kind of a more aggressive rebound this coming year?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

No, Jamie. We're expecting to be the more normalized return to may be about 1 point or slightly below 1 point growth in death rates as a whole and a relatively stable, slightly down, casketed death rates, which was what we anticipate in our guidance. We do not suggest that there's going to be a major recovery of what we lost last year.

James Clement

Analyst

Okay. All right. That is fair. And I don't know, I don't think I've heard it in your prepared remarks, but I did see in the press release. I think you were alluding a little bit to a favorable mix in the Funeral Products segment. And it seems to me over the last couple of years, it seems like mix is, generally across the industry, kind of been trending down. So I don't know if we hit bottom or anything like that, or whether there's a consumer change or whether it's your company specifically. But can you talk a little bit about preference and kind of what you're seeing from the mix perspective?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Well, I can tell you, James, that we've done a little bit more price control both in terms of our mix marketing, as well as discounting in the marketplace. So what we've done -- what we saw in the fourth quarter was better management of that whole process as we went forward. Now I can tell you that 1 month doesn't make a year, but we saw an improvement in mix, frankly, in the month of October, as well as an increase in our overall death rates, which brought us fairly good results. That was the implication I was giving you both for fourth quarter and into the first month of the year in my comments.

James Clement

Analyst

Got it. And then final question, Joe, obviously you are operating a pretty substantial distribution business in the Northeast and kind of down in the Mid-Atlantic. The storm obviously was a big deal in this neck of the woods. How do you feel like your distribution performed in the face of that kind of weather?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Fortunately, we have a great group of people up there, who are committed both to us and to their customers at the end of the day. We did lose about 4, 5 days of deliveries in the area, but we recovered a lot of that. We lost some product that is insured, that we will ultimately recover from the insurance company. Overall, we weathered the storm pretty well, not to put -- no pun intended there. But the reality is, is that we have a very significant market share in the heart of that storm, so we did have some impact.

Operator

Operator

We have a question from the line of Liam Burke with Janney Capital Markets.

Liam Burke

Analyst

Steve, when we finish 2012 on the Cemetery Products front, there were -- you had the bronze, so the price is easing into the end of the year. You have ERP implementation, and you also had product mix with more granite in the equation. Fourth quarter operating margins were in the high teens adjusting for the onetime. Historically, operating margins were in the high-20s, understanding all the puts and takes, what is a -- or directionally, where do you see normalized operating margins here for the Cemetery Products?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Just -- Liam, this is Joe. I would expect the normalized operating margins going forward to be in the low 20s. One of the things you also need to recognize is that we -- I think it might have been the second quarter of our conference call, we referenced this is that pricing delays due to ERP implementation caused us to absorb a lot of the cost of that increased bronze without any price increase. So we had a pretty difficult year from a realization standpoint in that business.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

And Liam, you hit on a couple of the important factors, and bronze cost being certainly one of them. The ERP implementation was another piece of that, but we also still have -- and this is part of our ERP implementation, the accelerated initiatives, but we also still have some embedded costs that are affecting productivity. So when we talk about that improvement in margins, that's going to take some time. And also the other item that you correctly pointed out is that the mix of granite is, ultimately, as we grow that granite business, is ultimately going to impact that overall percentage.

Liam Burke

Analyst

Okay. And staying on the Cemetery Products, how do you feel about the traction you're getting with the Everlasting acquisition?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Very, very, very good, in fact. The team down there is a wonderful group that we've added to our portfolio. Frankly, if you look at our sales force that is on the ground, Everlasting has traditionally been a business that did not have a traveling sales force, so we expect our sales force -- although this is a geographic business, it's hard to ship product to be competitive from Georgia to Washington state, in the territory where we are currently able to serve, our sales force coupled with their abilities at Everlasting has been a good addition, so we feel positive.

Operator

Operator

And we have a question from the line of Greg Halter with Great Lakes Review.

Gregory Halter

Analyst

Looking at the Wetzel business, in your release, you talk about sales of about $58 million. I think that was fiscal '11, I believe. Just wondered if you could talk to growth rates management, whether or not they're -- you're planning on them staying and integration with other businesses over there in Europe?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Well, actually, Wetzel, as I kind of indicated into our -- in my conference comments, is right in our wheelhouse. It's about only 4 hours from our existing Saueressig operations. We are -- we have a whole team of our German colleagues over there that will be operating that business. And we have some strategic initiatives that will take probably 24 to 36 months as we move this business into a -- I wouldn't -- we will not be shutting it down. We will probably be making it more specialized in what it produces. And looking at our various footprints being able to capitalize on those footprints better than we have today. For example, there's some opportunities in Poland. We have -- we now have 2 facilities in Poland. Sooner -- at some point, when the infrastructure in Poland improves, we know that's happening now, we probably only will need one. So we're very, very, very positive about it. It is not a market -- none of our Graphics businesses are businesses that grow much differently than some of our other business. They all grow relatively low to mid-single digit top line organic growth in a normal economic environment. We're not seeing that right now though, Greg.

Gregory Halter

Analyst

Okay. And second question I have is regarding one of your competitors on the casket side or a casket acquired by a private equity firm. And it sounds like, at least, the way they're talking, they plan on being more aggressive in how they promote the overall caskets products. Just wondered if you could comment on what you're seeing there so far, as well overall pricing in that particular market given the leader, Batesville.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

I don't know where you're hearing the price competitiveness from them in particular. I don't think we hear -- practical matter, we're not seeing any more price competitiveness than the market is already seeing for the last several years. At the end of the day, we're hoping there's pretty good rationality out of our new competitors since they're pretty heavily levered to get this deal gone. So I would expect that over time, it will be the status quo, and we'll probably, hopefully, get better rationale of all of our competition in the marketplace.

Operator

Operator

We have a question from the line of Scott Blumenthal with Emerald Advisers.

Scott B. Blumenthal

Analyst

Joe, I guess, on a flat market for both of your business segments, we're really happy to see you continue to make efforts to grow the business with Everlasting and now, Wetzel. Could you talk a little bit about, I guess, more broadly your plans for the gravure businesses that you have acquired? Where do you think you can take those? And how I've been anxious for you to bring some more of that product to the U.S., maybe your progress on that type of an effort?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Well, let me give you a little bit of a feel because the best direction comes from our customers. As you all have heard us speak, we acquired a business in Turkey. The acquisition in Turkey was largely driven by our more significant customers, particularly the tobacco industry, who said we need a partner in Turkey. With that effort in the European businesses, in particular, what we've seen is that the major customers that we have there have found in us a relatively stable, financially capable entity with whom they can grow. They've talked to us about expanding in Russia, Latin America, and that's the way I would prefer to grow that business is with customers in hand and a partnership role. Today, quite frankly, we want to get our arms around what we already have, which is Wetzel and our Turkish businesses where we still think there's opportunities. We're probably going to continue to look at what Russia offers to be able to consolidate that market over there. But we think that there are more parts of the world, including the United States, where we think there's opportunities for continued expansion.

Scott B. Blumenthal

Analyst

And how large do you think that, that business can be? I guess the inverse or -- question would be, at what percentage of the market do you believe that you hold now, and where do you think you can go with that?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

On a worldwide basis, we're miniscule. On a European, I would say Northern European, we are significant. We are, by far, the dominant player in the European market. And we expect that in the European market, we are probably pushing 25% to 30% of the market today. There are some areas of the market where we just will not enter and play there because pricing has become so terrible, and that is a choice that we make. But on the other side of the coin, there are some areas where our customers are taking where it's both favorable for us and favorable for them to have the quality and service that we can offer with the financial resource. If you look at our facilities over there, they're well capitalized, and they are on the cutting edge of the technologies in which we operate in. I can't tell you that's the case of a lot of the competition we have in Europe, largely because they're smaller entities owned by families, whose pocketbooks are a little bit more limited.

Scott B. Blumenthal

Analyst

So do you think that the future growth in that business, which seems like a really nice business, is that going to be through continued, maybe incremental smaller acquisitions, similar to the ones that you've done to maybe get the -- a foothold or a beachhead in some of these markets? Or do you think you're at that point with the scale now and as well known as you are that you can kind of grow this organically from here?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Okay. Let me kind of give you a feel. It's both, and Turkey is a perfect example to that, Scott. What we did in Turkey, we bought a local player for, I would call it, a small player in the grand scheme of things. And they do not have neither the capital wherewithal nor the technical wherewithal to invest in the kind of processes and equipment that our larger players in the industry have expected. They come to expect from us in particular. So we bought it by business over there. And as you can see from our capital expenditures throughout this year, a lot of that has gone into Turkey as we put new -- what we call a tobacco line, but tobacco line is just an internal name for quality line. It is a highly automated, very precise, precision-efficient equipment that is fairly significant, that only can serve the finest of customers that you want that kind of quality. We expect that investment will yield over the next several years far beyond what we've invested for the equipment. I'm a little low, Scott, and this is the issue of going into a greenfield without customer support.

Scott B. Blumenthal

Analyst

Sure. I understood.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

It could take a while.

Scott B. Blumenthal

Analyst

And Joe, if I could just sneak one last one in on this subject. Are you at the largest player? And if so, I mean, to what degree are you larger than your second-largest competitor?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

In Europe?

Scott B. Blumenthal

Analyst

Yes.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

In Europe, we are double the closest player. And the other -- the closest player is another German operator that is a good competitor. I would call them sound competitors, but they're not at our scale.

Operator

Operator

We have a question from the line of Daniel Moore with CJS Securities.

Dan Moore

Analyst

Steve, I apologize I missed this number. I think you said it, but number of shares repurchased in the quarter and given the stock drifting back a little bit, your appetite for, perhaps, picked up or stepped up share repurchases at these levels.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

We purchased a little over 400,000 shares during the fourth quarter and a little over 1 million shares for the year. And given where the stock price is, certainly, we'll continue to be active in the market.

Dan Moore

Analyst

And this is sort of a $64,000-question, but I'll give you a chance to address it. Obviously, death rates -- or casketed death rates are improving a little bit recently. As you look back over the last year, have you gleaned any more of an insight into maybe some of the causes that have dragged on the overall death rates and your confidence that we'll get back to a normal level some time in fiscal '13? I know it's a crystal ball that's fuzzy, but maybe you can just address it a little bit?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Sure, Dan. The reality is that we're still dealing with the troughs in the death rates of the early 30s. I mean there are...

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Birthrates.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Birthrates, excuse me, birthrates of their early 30s. If you look back over history, there are these anomalies that do occur rarely, but they do occur. As I've said in the past, if you look at the Census Bureau's projection of where we should be today in terms of the number of deaths and what they project for the next 20 years, it's more normalized with what we have anticipated in our budgets going forward, which is a 1-ish plus or minus increase in death rates with pretty much levels out to a stable number of casketed deaths, and then we participate on the cremation side as well. So we think that this year, 2012, is more of an anomaly. We have done our own internal estimates of how much we think that might have impact us, and it was significant. And we have budgeted and forecast results that are more in line with traditional death rates.

Operator

Operator

And we have a question from the line of Greg Halter with Great Lakes Review.

Gregory Halter

Analyst

I had a couple of others come up. Noticed that your capital spending in fiscal '12 was about just over $33 million. I wonder what your plans are for this fiscal year?

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Yes. The $33 million spend this fiscal year, a lot of that was in our Graphics Imaging business, and particularly, in Turkey, as Joe just mentioned a few minutes ago. Next fiscal year, I would tell you, it would also be slightly harder than what I would consider our maintenance capital expenditure rate. I think our maintenance capital expenditure rate is somewhere in the low- to mid-20s now and -- but next year, I expect that to be a little bit higher than that because we still have some ERP spending that we're doing, and we still actually have some European gravure spending as well.

Gregory Halter

Analyst

All right. And no one's really talked about it much, obviously, it's been touched on the raw materials side. But just wondered if you could comment on what you're seeing there, how far you're bought out? It looks like prices have come down somewhat, which should be a little bit of a relief here.

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

We're bought out probably in the middle of the second quarter of 2013 -- or fiscal quarter 2013. And the costs are a little bit below where they were last -- where we ended up last year, not materially right now. We are taking some initiatives to make sure that we can -- when we give guidance, we anticipate what we think we're going to have, actually stems throughout the year. And we're, today, comfortable, that's where we can end up for the year.

Gregory Halter

Analyst

All right. And I noticed in your presentation that you have on the website that I think it's the -- let me just find it real quick. You cited one of the marginal performers as United Memorial. And I just wondered if you could elaborate a little more on the granite business plan that you noted for that particular area?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Sure. One of the marginal performance was United Memorial on the West Coast. We have part of the restructuring cost that you're seeing there would include some terminations and workforce reductions on that side of the business, as well the folks at Everlasting are bringing great knowledge of operating controls to that business. So we expect improvement year-over-year out of that business in 2013 and continuing through 2014 and '15.

Gregory Halter

Analyst

All right. One last one for you. Just wondered in the 6 different businesses, if you could maybe provide on an annual basis where you think the margins, operating margins, for each one of those businesses should be over the longer term?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Which businesses you're referring to? All of them or just...

Gregory Halter

Analyst

Yes, all 6 of them, Graphics Imaging?

Joseph Bartolacci

Analyst

Okay, so not -- I thought you were looking at the individual businesses within. I would tell you that if you look historically at most of our businesses, that those are probably more normalized rate. Bronze, we used to call our bronze, which is our Cemetery Products business right now, as we said earlier, we expected to be in the low 20s because of the mix of products we're selling at this point in time versus historical norms. Our Casket business, we see very good trends towards improving to that mid-15s business that we had always projected. And in fact, if you saw our internal results for that 1 month, albeit just 1 month, are very reflective of that. Our Cremation business, we think with our European businesses being a little lower margin and our U.S. business as being a little higher, I would also say mid-teens as well. Graphics businesses, mid-teens, it's probably 12 to 15 probably. With -- our gravure business is being a little bit more capital intensive, thus have a little bit more DNA. Our Marketing Products business where we are very, very, very bullish on because of some initiatives that they've come up on, we need a little bit of -- what you're seeing in our Marketing Products business today is not representative of our historic results. There's been a great effort, including some research and development in that business that leads to some pretty good products coming forward. We need some economic recovery there. Some of our best margins are made in the ink side of that business. What you're seeing now is still, I wouldn't call a trough levels of within consumption, but I would call it lower-than-normal levels within consumption. When that business returns on the ink side with some of the other investment, we should be mid-teens, maybe a little higher on that. And our Merchandising Solutions business, we expect that business to be approaching the high singles to 10 over time.

Operator

Operator

Mr. Nicola, there are no other questions in queue at this time.

Steven Nicola

Analyst

Okay. We would like to thank everyone for participating in the call this morning, and we look forward to our first quarter earnings release and conference call in January. Thank you, and have a good day.

Operator

Operator

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