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Operator

Operator

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the 908 Devices' First Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Seth, and I'll be the operator for your call today. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand the floor over to Kelly Gura, Investor Relations, to begin the call.

Kelly Gura

Analyst

Thank you. This morning, 908 Devices released financial results for the first quarter ended March 31, 2024. If you've not received this news release or if you'd like to be added to the company's distribution list, please send an e-mail to ir.908devices.com. Joining me today from 908 is Kevin Knopp, Chief Executive Officer and Co-Founder; and Joe Griffith, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call includes a slide presentation, which is viewable to those joining via webcast. The slides will also be available after the call ends at ir.908devices.com under the menu header Events and Presentation. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that management will make statements during this call that are forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated. Additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties appears in the section entitled Forward-Looking Statements in the press release 908 Devices issued today. For a more complete listing description, please see the Risk Factors section of the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, and in its other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Except as required by law, 908 Devices disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any financial projections or forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events or otherwise. This conference call contains time-sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast, April 30, 2024. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Kevin.

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Thanks, Kelly. Good morning, and thank you for joining our first quarter 2024 earnings call. We had a solid start to the year with top line revenue of $10 million for the first quarter, representing 8% product and service growth year-over-year. We continue to see robust demand for our handheld devices in Q1 and anticipate this trend to persist throughout the year as applications for chemical detection and identification at the point of need gained further traction in the U.S. and internationally. Over the past several years, our team has built a robust product portfolio that serves the forensics and bioprocessing markets through both our own innovation as well as through a strategic acquisition. On our last earnings call, we outlined 3 clear objectives for 2024. First, to expand our market reach; second, to leverage our expanded product portfolio; and third, to execute under a framework for sustained growth with a path to profitability. This morning, we are excited to announce the acquisition of RedWave Technology. This acquisition is additive to each of our existing initiatives for the year, and we believe will be a very strong strategic fit over the near and long term. As you will see momentarily, there is very strong strategic rationale and synergies between the 2 companies, which makes this a very compelling acquisition. Importantly, our teams have very similar cultures and ethos, which makes me extremely competent of the fit as we welcome the RedWave team into our organization. 908 Devices has a mission of creating positive impact in people's lives with our efforts to help our customers rid our communities of fentanyl and counterfeit pharmaceuticals and advanced life-changing personal medicines. Similar to our mission, RedWave thrives on helping increase the safety of first responders and other frontline workers that must answer the call…

Kelly Gura

Analyst

Thanks, Kevin. Revenue for the first quarter 2024 was $10 million, up 5% from $9.5 million in the prior year period, primarily driven by an increase in handheld device revenue. Handheld revenue was $7.4 million for the first quarter of 2024, up 20% from $6.2 million for the first quarter 2023. This increase was driven primarily by component shipments in support of the initial production phase of the U.S. Department of Defense Next-Gen Chemical Detector program, also known as AVCAD, and an increase in service revenue. We shipped 53 MX908 handheld devices in the first quarter. Our pipeline remains strong for our handheld devices in the U.S. and internationally. The fentanyl crisis and the emergence of new and evolving analogs has been a key driver of handheld adoption in the U.S., and we are now seeing this crisis expand and drive urgency internationally. This was confirmed by U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, who warned it exactly this in March during a United Nations conference. Now turning to our desktop serving the life science instrumentation and bioprocessing markets. Revenue from our desktop products for the first quarter 2024 was $2.6 million, down 17% from $3.1 million in the prior year period, primarily related to a decrease in device sales with 8 desktop devices placed in the first quarter comprised of REBEL, ZipChip, and MAVEN. Despite customers continuing to remain cautious in their first half capital expenditures, we are seeing positive engagement. One of our core objectives has been to launch and leverage an expanded product portfolio to maximize opportunities and strengthen customer engagements. Our product portfolio now includes 4 desktop devices in the PAT space, 2 launched just last year, and we are seeing quoting activity reflect combination of products now, one product driving another. For instance, in the first…

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Thanks, Joe. Again, as previously communicated on our fourth quarter call, we are laser-focused on 3 key areas for 2024, including market expansion, leveraging our expanded product portfolio and executing through a framework for sustained growth with the path to profitability. Our acquisition announcement today directly and meaningfully addresses each of these 3 key areas. Further, we are pleased with our on-plan Q1 results and the new trajectory we have set for 2024 and beyond. I'd like to thank our team for their hard work towards our Q1 achievements. Lastly, I'm excited to welcome our new colleagues from RedWave Technology to the 908 Devices team, and I look forward to our bright future together. With that, we'll now open it up to questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Matt Larew of William Blair.

Matthew Larew

Analyst

I wanted to start on RedWave and 2 things. One would be, I think back the last acquisition, TRACE, obviously, we just saw the product in MAVERICK that features the aseptic sample technology from TRACE. So clearly, incorporating the technology and product development. And you referenced, obviously, the impressive portfolio that the RedWave has of their own products and how the sales channels overlap. But I'm just curious as you looked at the deal, what you're thinking about from potential collaboration on the R&D or product development side over time?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

You're right. I mean we did the acquisition of TRACE Analytics GmbH in 2022 and really a successful one that we're really happy we did. It is fully integrated now. As you know, it's become our base of operations in Europe and allowing us to take orders direct across Europe. And then as you mentioned, the technology, we took the sampling technology and released the product MAVEN and that's on the market, and it's the basis of the online capabilities for next generations of [ REBEL ] when we get to that point. So lots of good there on the R&D side and then plugging it in and having a base of operations in Europe. From the RedWave perspective, we're super excited that now we have a portfolio of products in the bioprocessing life science instrumentation space for said products. And we really built a nice foundation for that growth as we move along. But if you look at our handhelds, we've had one product and a series of accessories. So with RedWave that adds 3 additional products that have that high overlap with our customers and sales channel, which we can get immediately into the bags of our team. From an R&D collaboration perspective, we briefly touched on it in the prepared remarks, but we're also excited that RedWave has approximately $2 million of their sales last year in the pharma PAT space, selling accessories and selling Raman probes, FTIR probes and the like into industrial QA/QC and pharma PAT applications. So I would imagine, as we continue to go and the market justifies that we'll be able to work more together on integrating and looking to offer additional FTIR based products into our desktop portfolio.

Matthew Larew

Analyst

Okay. That's great to hear. And you referenced obviously, or Joe did, I suppose, in his comments, CapEx recovery being key, obviously, to the bioprocessing recovery. Just curious what you're hearing from customers about budgets for capital equipment, any indicators of shifts in sales cycle or availability of capital? And you referenced obviously some placements at a top 20 biopharma. Any patterns or trends that you would call out in terms of customer groups and how they're perhaps viewing their capital purchasing ability this year?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes, sure. I'm happy to give a few comments there. So yes, absolutely. It's really not the destocking dynamic of consumables that impacts 908. As you know, it's more around the CapEx spending for small-scale instrumentation like 908 does here in the life science instrumentation market and bioprocessing. As you know, we're very much in the PD labs, process development labs. So that's an upstream preclinical world. So we've been seeing particularly pause there to adopt novel technologies in that space. I would say 2 things. I mean, one, from conversations with customers regarding budget, I think there's still uncertainty on the timing of the release of CapEx within the organizations. I've been direct conversations with several customers. Hard to draw conclusions by group, as you asked for, just because our numbers are fairly modest here, but I have definitely seen larger organizations as well as smaller organizations showing that uncertainty. Last comment on that, in fact, one of the customers talking to of late is very much ready to pull the trigger, but is waiting for their biotech funding to come through an additional series raise for that organization. So it's directly coupled. So we are pleased that the world has been showing some positive signs in the biotech funding arena, as you know, over the first quarter. So we're pleased with that and will take some time for that to ripple down in sure. But I think that is a positive thing. And the other thing that we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we are getting a lot of engagement. While that engagement isn't translating directly to desktop orders as fast as we could, of course, all like lots of engagement. Joe called a few things out in his prepared remarks regarding great engagement on a MAVERICK, we're having our great engagement with customers doing valuations, in some cases, funded the valuation, so a little color there for you.

Matthew Larew

Analyst

That's great. I'll jump back in the queue. Congrats on what looks like a really nice fit in terms of the RedWave deal.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Jacob Johnson from Stephens.

Jacob Johnson

Analyst

And congrats for the deal. I guess I've got a couple on RedWave. Maybe just first on the RedWave Technology versus the MX908 and use applications. Can you just talk about how complementary your products are with theirs? And then is there any risk of kind of cannibalization between these 2 product portfolios?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes, happy to. We're really excited for the RedWave side. I mean, first, from a technology perspective, they are very complementary, and it very much expands the toolkit. We mentioned that about 80% of our international distributors represent both. And we would only do that if they were not in a competitive situation and that they were, in fact, complementary. So it's a little bit of a proof point there. But in the simplest way, you can think of the MX technology as a new product class is taking mass spec, so it has immense sensitivity. So it can measure things at very, very low trace level. So invisible amounts, a residue, a minute particulate aerosols in the air. Now if you think of the RedWave technology, it can measure bulk quantities, but it can measure many more chemicals, 22,000-plus chemicals, it can measure. So the 2 are often used by our customers in concert depending on the situation and where they go. So we really don't see that they're competitive nature to those products from their positioning. And then as you know, obviously, we're excited for RedWave as well due to its financial profile. We have pretty high benchmarks that we've been trying to stay true to, and this acquisition really kind of showcases those in terms of being very synergistic from a cost perspective that we touched on as well as in the complete financial profile that's a bit accretive in many different ways.

Joseph Griffith

Analyst

And maybe a little bit helpful, too, is just a little bit more color on the RedWave products. As Kevin mentioned, there's 3 today, the ThreatID, ProtectIR and XplorIR and those U.S. list prices of those products range from $45,000 up to $75,000. So at the high end close to the MX list price today. And the majority of RedWave's placements are in the U.S. in the industry have come through distribution channels to date. It usually comes with discounting, lower ASPs, kind of discount levels from 5%, maybe up to 30% on the international sales. And the ThreatID where the majority of the placements have been today, the first launch product by RedWave is where the majority of the placements are and are at the higher end of that ASP range, but may give a little bit more color on the products themselves.

Jacob Johnson

Analyst

And I guess maybe just kind of following up there, you guys laid out some pretty robust growth outlook potentially for RedWave, at least to get the contingent consideration. It seems to me there's kind of 2 or 3 big opportunities there, 1 and 2 being kind of the bioprocessing industrial applications and then the other one kind of leveraging the large enterprise accounts. As we think about the growth outlook going forward for this business, could you just kind of talk about the relative size of those opportunities in terms of growth drivers between kind of bioprocessing industrial versus the large enterprise accounts.

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes. Absolutely. I'll start and then maybe Joe can add some additional remarks. But yes, you're absolutely right. We think there's a lot of growth potential with this business, and you can see the resolve that the RedWave team has in this combination based on that structure and earn-out consideration that's contingent upon beating growth targets. So first and foremost, those growth targets are going to be driven and back through and pursued through plugging into our commercial engine, which we think is pretty robust on our handheld side. So we're working even on day 1 to make sure that it plugs into that channel. And we mentioned very briefly in the slides that they haven't really done too much yet in the larger federal accounts, those larger enterprise accounts. And we feel we have a a pretty skilled team there. So we believe we can make good progress getting into those enterprise accounts. They take a little bit of time, but they can be quite large as we go. And we think the earn-out structure being cumulative over 24 months is helpful in that regard. The areas of bioprocessing, the areas of the PAT accessories that they sell, particularly into pharma, industrial QA/QC. I think that's something that we'll be looking to leverage over time, but see the biggest benefit coming from putting into our handheld commercial engine.

Joseph Griffith

Analyst

And maybe provide additional pieces. We did highlight in our prepared remarks that RedWave's 20%-plus year-on-year growth in '23, and for '24, our revenue expectation is that $11 million contemplates RedWave growing at that similar level on an annualized basis. There is certainly potential for RedWave revenues to accelerate towards the end of 2024 once the products gain traction and within our commercial engine, we won't be measured in our approach. We're excited by the growth potential that RedWave brings, but we're setting achievable expectations we believe that we can plan to revisit once these products have a few quarters of integration within our commercial engine. And in terms of their pacing and seasonality, it's pricing is similar to our current customers, selling to the same customers, and we're working through similar budget processes as the MX. So I do expect similar pacing more revenue in the second half as we go.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Steven Mah from TD Cowen.

Poon Mah

Analyst

Can you hear me?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes. Steven, how are you doing?

Poon Mah

Analyst

Okay. So maybe to build on what Jacob asked, there does seem to be some overlap with the handheld MX908 in terms of like some use cases such as fentanyls. I know you guys said that customers use both FTIR and mass spec, but give us a little more color on the marketplace landscape, what percentage of users use both FTIR and mass spec?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes, sure. Happy to. I would say it's a pretty large percentage of customers that have access and use both. It's a toolkit, right? So people will pick what's the right tool for the right job at the right time. In the case of something like fentanyl, mass spec is just absolutely well positioned there because of its extreme sensitivity in the minute quantity, invisible quantities that are really required to detect or something like fentanyl. Now if you think about how it complements in applications like that, if you think of a counterfeit pill, the excipients, the binders, the mix, what you would provide around that fentanyl can be a unique identifier of that counterfeit construction. And so those bulk components being measurable on FTIR is very much complementary, even in that one use case here really around fentanyl and counterfeit drugs. There are many, many applications that people employ FTIR for from really unknown materials of all sorts from benign to something toxic that they're looking to identify. We spoke that there's about 15,000 as we estimate legacy FTIR instruments that are out there in the field. And if you think about a 5- to 10-year useful life of these, that would imply that there's maybe 1,500 to 3,000 per year as an opportunity to replace or upgrade. And we really see that the theme that you can look at a lot of opportunities since they only have placed 700 thus far. And we believe, just like we've communicated in the past for our MX that as you offer more modern conveniences, size reduction, speed improvements, other modern connectivity options, that it drives upgrade cycles. And we see that the RedWave team is able to take advantage of that, and we're looking forward to, again, plugging it into our commercial engine to see if we can support that and get its growth trajectory to be meaningful here. But that's the same as we've talked about that as our MX goes to its next generation, we would expect it to spawn upgrade cycles as well. So I really do believe the 2 are absolutely complementary even in application and use cases like that fentanyl counter drug situation I tried to pick.

Poon Mah

Analyst

Yes. Okay. Yes, that's really helpful. And I might have misheard, but did you guys say RedWave just uses distributors? Or do they have an internal sales force?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

They have both. They have some internal sales folks about 4 that plug into our 70 folks that we have across our combined organization coming into the year. They leverage based on their size and efficiency, a lot of channel managers, channel opportunities here in the U.S., also internationally, which is similar to us internationally for our handhelds, we use distribution channels. So very much known within the market. But yes, they do have a sales folks for us and we're excited to partner with them and get the combined scale to drive the growth of the RedWave and MX product.

Poon Mah

Analyst

Okay. Got it. So do they have direct sales? Or is it mostly all distributors? Or I guess asked in a different way, how much of that $13.7 million in revenues last year were from distributors?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes. From the direct sales perspective, they do have some direct sales, but it's a low percent, right? I don't want to put an exact percentage on it. It's higher than single digits, but it's low double-digit type level. really just from where they are, 39 people today have focused on leveraging smartly with distributors out of the box. We think we have an opportunity to go direct, which is part of our synergies as we think about the opportunity to expand our ASP going forward.

Poon Mah

Analyst

Yes. Okay. Yes, that's my next question. The potential revenue synergy, yes, it seems like it's very complementary. When do you think you'll start seeing revenue synergies. I appreciate you said cost synergies would hit fully by 2026. But when you think revenue synergies will hit, and I appreciate it takes time to cross-train the sales forces across the different products.

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

It does take time. We're looking to hit the ground running today, but maybe to give you a little bit of additional details on both the cost and maybe thoughts on top line, you probably heard that we're forecasting $5 million plus in potential cost synergies in 2026, and we expect roughly $2 million of those synergies to be realized for 2025 kind of in the shorter term. And those $2 million include savings anticipated from prioritization of personnel across organization, namely selling, marketing, R&D leverage together, we need to hire less. It also contemplates an improvement in channel discounts that we were just talking about related to international distributor alignment and some opportunity for margin improvement in our direct sales. And the remaining $3 million will probably be realized starting in 2026 related to the utilization of the 38,000 square foot Danbury facility that we're acquiring here today and the manufacturing scale-up of potential high-volume programs that we've talked about, like AVCAD versus expanding space here in Boston for that. But a big part of the value in the transaction is what you're asking about is the ability to plug RedWave products into our 908 sales channel and drive that sustainable, exciting growth. And we're working to get going on that, I'd say immediately. We expect there is the ability to drive cross-selling sort of forensics portfolio, and these trends will be easier to understand further in a few quarters, but we see an opportunity to improve our recurring revenue profile as well after the commercialization of possible cloud-based enterprise management software and potentially to increase the RedWave participation in our life science experimentation bioprocessing PAT space. So we expect near-term cost synergies that I mentioned really to show up in OpEx and the longer-term synergies to be more balanced between OpEx and COGS, and we'll work to get those top line synergies as soon as we can.

Joseph Griffith

Analyst

Yes. And maybe just layering into that for a second, Steven, I hope it's coming across on the call today, but we've seen so many synergies even beyond what we touched on and you can probably see the dimensions of that from how complementary this is. So we're going to be working on that now that it's under our ownership to quantify their timing impact, we really don't underestimate it because there is so many here. We've quantified some on the call today, but there's a lot that have been qualified and more qualitative. But yes, we don't want to underestimate the impact, and we'll certainly report as we progress.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dan Arias from Stifel.

Daniel Arias

Analyst

Kevin, maybe on desktops. I know you said last quarter that you wouldn't be breaking out system placements by instrument. But is there anything that you can say about the REBEL in order to put it in some context, since that's the product that we have a bit of install history with. And then I think you said that the total for desktops was made up of REBEL, MAVEN and ZipChip, if I'm not mistaken. So no MAVERICKs. Anything we can use when it just comes to the mix across the year for the different systems? Or is it at the end of the day, just sort of up 1 quarter and down another for the various components of that mix?

Joseph Griffith

Analyst

Dan, this is Joe. A little bit of color on level. It continues to tick along, right, where we've been kind of that low single-digit range. As you mentioned, we're not specifically breaking it out on the placements, but it is continuing to see some of those pressures. And as I did talk to the placements within the specific quarter, our desktops included REBEL, ZipChip and MAVEN. Kevin, if you want to give a little bit more color on MAVERICK, excited by that opportunity.

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes. Yes, absolutely. I mean we called out a little bit in the prepared remarks that the sales engagement we're seeing here in Q1 is similar to what we saw in Q4 in terms that it is more weighted or 2:1 weighted to our newer products in the pipeline as we're gaining momentum and excitement again just from a sales engagement funnel perspective. I think it's absolutely early days, but lots of engagement on MAVERICK. We mentioned briefly that in April, we had a webinar with 250-some registrants, so that has centered around MAVERICK and how it impacts like pretty quality attributes and how it doesn't take investments in bottling. So good engagement on that. And then further, we have a number of qualified evaluations ongoing right now being planned and many ongoing. And this is where a biopharma customer, in some cases, will be purchasing or consumables and the like to support a demo across multiple bioreactors and kind of testing and qualifying that and the ability to connect across there. So lots of encouraging parts to evaluate it. But as we've talked about, certainly, the CapEx spending for novel technologies has been muted, but we're really excited that we've seen a lot of this engagement. And then obviously, we've got a diversified portfolio and the handhelds have been performing to bolster our overall growth of 8% this quarter of products and service.

Daniel Arias

Analyst

Okay. And Joe, your point was that total desktop system placements, whatever that mix is, is sequentially March higher across the year, correct?

Joseph Griffith

Analyst

Yes. That's our expectation and ultimately by the end of the year to see an increase in placements driven mainly by MAVERICK and MAVEN progress throughout the year.

Daniel Arias

Analyst

Yes, I got you. Maybe just on the handheld side, you had mentioned last quarter that the budget delays were a factor when you were thinking about the beginning of the year and 1Q. I'm curious if once the federal budget was released, you saw some loosening when it comes to spending in deals, did late March, early April show any pickup in activity in any way? And I guess, relatedly, is there anything you could say that help us with the modeling exercise when it comes to MX systems across the year.

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes. From a timing perspective, it was good to see it finally get over the line. I think it was March 22. The funding was released. Of course, that's in many ways, just the start of the process with our customers. So lots of conversations with our sales team to tee up the funding mechanisms and the timing and understand the procurement cycle, which is likely pushing a lot of those Fed government opportunities more into the back half in Q3 versus Q2 opportunities where it really didn't start to free up until March. So I would say we're seeing a pickup in the conversations, but the timing is we're hand against us a bit where it'd be more, I'd say, back half Q3, Q4, even more so than we initially thought back in March.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Puneet Souda from Leerink Partners.

Puneet Souda

Analyst

So Kevin, it's good to see the acquisition. But on the flip side of it, I'm getting a number of questions here, what have brought about this acquisition at this point and sort of why now? And can you talk to us about the level of investments that you might have to do in order to drive the RedWave Technology into some of the other applications and make, I know you pointed out to some of the cost synergies, but just I think the big question here is given your cash balance and sort of the dilution you're taking on for this deal, how should we be thinking about the overall sort of cash burn this year and next?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes, sure. Absolutely. Great questions. I'll start and then I'll pass it to Joe. But yes, we're super excited about the RedWave acquisition. As you know, we have done an acquisition in our past, and that helped grow us a nice portfolio of products in the bioprocessing. So we've got really in life science instrumentation. So we've got a really nice foundation there in the portfolio. But looking to drive scale and benefit from our investments in sales and marketing with our handheld devices, which have been durable in their success and their growth and serving the market to point of need chemical analysis. And we absolutely want to keep winning there. So when we go out and search from an inorganic perspective and look, this asset was very unique to us. It's profitable. It's highly growing, many, many synergies that directly plug into our sales channels. So we think it's accretive in many different directions. So it's a strong fit for us. And again, it fits well into our drive to win across point of need chemical detection, and that can be in forensics, that can be in bioprocessing, and there's just a lot of opportunity that we see in that space.

Joseph Griffith

Analyst

And maybe to touch on some of the cash concept and impact to cash flow breakeven. In 2023, we used approximately $25 million in operating cash flows to support the business. And in Q1, is typically our largest quarter for cash flows. During Q1 2024, our cash used for operating purposes was about $10 million, but we'd expect to be in the $30 million range on a full year basis here in 2024, we do expect to finish 2024 with multiple years of cash available to support operations. And the key factor to our path to profitability is the cash burn is with the top line growth, and we're continuing to see the path to double-digit top line growth from the core 908 business once the bioprocessing recovery plays out, the structure of our RedWave acquisition rewards a strong 22% plus growth over the 2-year consideration period. So we expect to improve lowering our burn with scale in 2025 and beyond. And to think about that as it translates over to a possible path to cash flow breakeven, we believe that this acquisition does pull forward our cash flow breakeven time line given that we're adding scale with RedWave revenues, bolstering our top line growth profile and adding an accretive gross margin and cash flow positive business. And we previously had indicated that we probably need to be a low 3-digit revenue number to cross into profitability, we're likely at somewhere less than $150 million in revenue we can get there. And with the addition of RedWave, we can reach this level faster than before. So definitely excited about that.

Puneet Souda

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful, Joe. And my follow-up is on what are you seeing from the cell therapy accounts? Those have been some of the early adopters, but obviously impacted during the biotech impact over the last couple of months and the impact last year. Can you talk a little bit about sort of adoption you're seeing in those accounts? And wondering, Kevin, how should we think about the closed loops or automated systems? How do your products position into bioprocessing applications there? And just lastly, if I could squeeze in one more on, is there anything that we ought to think about in terms of Biosecure or impact from Biosecure?

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

Yes. Happy to touch on those. So first on the cell therapy side, our focus has been that latter, as you mentioned. We do have a dedicated BD professional under our commercial leader that's engaging. The innovative hardware equipment companies in the cell therapy space, as you know, we announced a relationship with Terumo and then in February, it relates to relationship with Solaris. And those efforts, Solaris, in particular, is really around creating a fully integrated device that automates the whole process and increases the number of dosage available and lowering the cost of goods while doing so. So that efficiency in our mind, is very synergistic with our products and very much aligned to how we're positioning our MAVEN and MAVERICK products to actually help control processes, help control and determine when you harvest, help improve yields and other quality attributes along the way. So we do have a focused effort to engage such organizations. We're very pleased to be working with Solaris. You can see in the news, they're getting good traction with BMS and others. They announced here recently. So we're working to get designed into their processes, but we have a number of others that we're working with as well. So we're really working between the innovative hardware providers and also the innovators on the therapeutic side and then we're bringing the innovation on the analytics. So we're trying to close those loops. So it's, again, early days, more of an OEM scale relationships we're looking to build. But I can say that we've had good engagement in the quarter with a number of groups in that area.

Joseph Griffith

Analyst

Regarding Biosecure real quickly. We work with many organizations in the government with our handheld. So those, of course, are going after the small molecule analysis, drug analysis in many phases, counterfeits and the like. So we work on a variety of additional security applications and are well versed on things like export control and the like. So I think as biosecurity opportunities develop, we do have a very good dedicated capable government sales channel. We are in some conversations with the U.S. government around some initiatives on the military as well as just for the economy around initiatives to onshore and have a strong vibrant economy here in the United States for biopharmaceuticals. So we'll have to see how it has developed. You know as well that we work with groups like National Resilience where this has been a part of their government strategy as well, and they've been a strong partner and customer and collaborator with 908. So maybe not an immediate direct impact we see there, but we certainly stand poised to help out where we can on that.

Operator

Operator

We currently have no further questions on the call, so I will hand the floor back to management.

Kevin Knopp

Analyst

All right. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much for joining our call today, and we appreciate all the questions. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all very much for joining.