Earnings Labs

ManpowerGroup Inc. (MAN)

Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 21, 2016

$30.84

-1.14%

Key Takeaways · AI generated
AI summary not yet generated for this transcript. Generation in progress for older transcripts; check back soon, or browse the full transcript below.

Same-Day

+2.52%

1 Week

-0.43%

1 Month

-1.92%

vs S&P

-0.12%

Transcript

Operator

Operator

Welcome to ManpowerGroup's First Quarter Earnings Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session begins. This call is being recorded. If you have any objections you may disconnect at this time. And, I'll turn the meeting over to your host Manpower, Chairman and CEO, Jonas Prising. Sir, you may begin.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Good morning and welcome to the First Quarter 2016 conference call. With me today is our Chief Financial Officer, Jack McGinnis along with our Senior Vice President and former CFO, Mike Van Handel. I will start our call by going through some of the highlights for the first quarter and Mike will go through the operational results of the segments for the quarter and Jack will cover our balance sheet, cash flow and the outlook for the second quarter. I will then come back for some final thoughts before we start our Q&A session. But before we go any further into our call, Mike will now read the Safe Harbor language.

Mike Van Handel

CFO

Good morning, everyone. This conference call includes forward-looking statements, which are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties. These statements are based on management's current expectations or beliefs. Actual results might differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward-looking statements can be found in the company's Annual Report on Form 10-K and in the other Securities and Exchange Commission filings of the company, which information is incorporated herein by reference. Any forward-looking statement in today's call speaks only as of the date of which it is made and we assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. During our call today, we will reference certain non-GAAP financial measures which we believe provide useful information for investors. We include a reconciliation of those measures where appropriate to GAAP on the Investor Relations section of our Web Site at manpowergroup.com.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Thanks Mike. We started the year with a good performance in the first quarter. Our earnings per share growth of 22% in constant currency, to $0.98 on revenue growth of 5% in constant currency to $4.6 billion. Our operating profit grew 11% in constant currency to $132 million and our operating profit margin improved 20 basis points to 2.9% driven by a slightly higher gross profit margin and improved SG&A productivity. As we have discussed on our recent earnings calls, market environment continues to be choppy around the world with different countries within regions moving at a different economic base. This of course impacts the demand for services in these markets. Overall, our revenue trend this quarter were fairly stable with the fourth quarter with some markets doing slightly better and other markets doing slightly worse. The one exception to that is Italy with a very strong growth we saw in 2015. Flattened out in the first quarter due to combination of stronger prior year comparable growth rates, the impact of hiring stimulus and a slow economy. Mike will discuss this further in the first quarter segment results. As you can tell, currency fluctuations were less than a factor this quarter as we anniversary significant movements in the euro that occurred in early 2015. But as many of you already know very well, it is mainly a translation effect for us as our cost and revenues are matched to each country where we do business. Looking back over the past quarters, our view of the external environment is not significantly different. We are operating in a global economy that appears to become slightly softer for a variety of reasons over the past 12 months, but with continued good growth opportunities in a number of markets. We believe that the global…

Mike Van Handel

CFO

Thanks Jonas. As Jonas mentioned we started the year off with a good performance. Earnings per Share up 22% in constant currency and 5% constant currency revenue growth. Revenue growth was at the lower end of our guidance range, while operating profit and earnings per share exceeded our expectations. The operating profit margin was 2.9% up 20 basis points over the prior year and up 20 basis points from the midpoint of our guidance. Compared to the prior-year, our gross profit margin was 10 basis points higher and SG&A costs were 10 basis points lower both driving the expansion in operating profit margin. Dissecting our revenue growth into a bit more detail, on average we have the same number of billing days in the quarter this year compared to prior year. While leap year added an additional billing day, this was offset by Easter moving into the first quarter this year. That of course will help in the second quarter. I should also note that while on average there was no impact from billing days, some of our countries were impacted, and therefore, you will hear me reference revenue growth per billing date when discussing country results later in the call. As expected acquisitions contributed about 3% or 5% constant currency growth rate in the quarter. Therefore, organic constant currency revenue growth in the quarter was 2% about 1% lower than the fourth quarter growth rate after adjusting for billing days. This 1% deceleration in growth rate can be attributed to slower growth in Italy. As Jonas mentioned, growth in most of the other markets was fairly stable and segment revenue growth outside of southern Europe was about as expected. Earnings per share of $0.98 exceeded the midpoint of our guidance range by $0.07. This outperformance is mostly attributable to…

Jack McGinnis

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Mike. First, I will cover cash flow and balance sheet. Free cash flow defined as cash from operations less capital expenditures is very strong in the quarter at $148 million. This includes the sale of the 2015 French CIC tax credit in March for $143 million. Including the CIC sale, free cash flow was still positive for the quarter at $5 million compared to $12 million prior year. During the quarter, day sales outstanding increased one day partly to quarter end timing effect of Easter, the business mix changes associated with large clients. Capital expenditures represented $17 million during the quarter, which was up slightly primarily due to our investment in recruiting centers in the first quarter. During the quarter, we repurchased 1.5 million shares of stock for $180 million. At the end of the quarter, we have 3.8 million shares remaining for repurchase under the 6 million share program approved in October of 2015. Our balance sheet was very strong at quarter end with cash of $748 million total debt of $880 million bringing our net debt to $132 million. Our debt ratio is very comfortable at quarter end with total debt trailing 12 month EBITDA of 12.2 and total debt to total capitalization at 25%. Our debt in credit facilities did not change in the quarter. At quarter end, we had 350 million euro note outstanding with an effective interest rate of 4.5% occurring in June of 2018 and a 400 million euro note with an effective interest rate of 1.9% during September of 2022. In addition, we have a revolving credit agreement $600 million which remained untapped. Next, I'd like to review our outlook for the second quarter of 2016. We are forecasting earnings per share to be in the range of $1.47 to $1.55, which…

Jonas Prising

CEO

Thanks Jack. The first quarter of 2016 was a good quarter for us. We showed our ability to execute and deliver good results despite the uneven market conditions in some countries. All of our brands and offerings made progress in the quarter. We saw solid growth in Manpower and managed the balance between revenue growth and discipline pricing well. A continuing challenge that becomes even more important as demand fluctuates in some countries. We remain focused on pricing discipline and profitable growth, reflecting the commitment to outstanding service quality for our clients and candidates. Experis was our fastest growing brand with improved strength globally in the IT skills segment, which remains an area where many of our clients are expressing continued talent need and we are increasingly well-positioned and recognized in many markets globally for our IT skills and solutions capabilities. As I mentioned earlier in the call, our permanent recruitment offering continued to grow and reached a new record high as a percentage of GP this quarter. As we are now seen as a provider of choice not only for contingent positions across our brands, but also, for permanent positions on a global bases. We have been building our permanent recruitment capabilities in both developed and emerging markets and this continues to be a source of growth and opportunity going forward. Despite many labor markets being mostly stable or improving, our Right Management business has found strength and opportunities in the industries that are experiencing a slowdown. Owing the offering and matching it to the needs of both client companies and candidates and in many cases, further enabled by our proprietary technology platform right everywhere. And finally, our solutions business continued to grow at a double-digit pace and in light of the changes we see occurring in companies as…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer. Our first question comes from Mr. Tobey Sommer from SunTrust. Sir, your line is now open.

Kwan Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Sir, your line is now open

Hi. This is Kwan Kim on for Toby. Thank you for taking my question. On the RPO business, how would you characterize the growth among the different regions and what you are seeing there in terms of new adoptions? And if you could give us some color on the IT business in the U.S., what you are seeing in the current environment. Thank you.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Good morning, Kwan. The RPO business is relatively mature here in the U.S. It is the biggest market globally and I would characterize Europe being less mature, but growing rapidly and the emerging markets in Latin America and in Asia Pacific really being at the very early stages of the introductions of RPO and our other solutions offerings. As it relates to the U.S. IT environment in terms of our outperformance, you could see that we saw some stability between Q4 and Q1. I would describe the demand for IT skills to still be healthy, maybe slightly softer. But, this is also been impacted by the increasing difficultly and tightness of the labor markets for those skills. So, we have made some good progress and as you saw from our -- as you heard from Mike's report, we had some good growth in our gross profit margin, some very good bill rates improvement and things like that but we'd still like to see some further growth in our own business because we still think there's good opportunities for us here in the U.S. market for IT skills.

Kwan Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Sir, your line is now open

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Anj Singh from Credit Suisse. Sir, your line is now open.

Anj Singh

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Sir, your line is now open

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I was hoping you could discuss France a little bit. How much do think you'll focus on price discipline is impacting you versus what's going on and let's say the overall market, just wondering how much of the lower growth on a billing day basis at 1Q is due to price discipline versus just market trends. And how would you contrast or characterize the environment versus say a year ago when the French temp market was reflecting positive on a competitive dynamics perspective? Thank you.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Thanks Anj. We would characterize. Our objective is to be able to drive operational performance and we do that through pricing discipline. Now, when we look at the French market and as you heard Mike talk about earlier on in our call, we saw stability between the fourth quarter and the first quarter. And what's happening in France is that there are a number of segments, first of all, which are growing faster where we are not as strongly represented such as logistics, such as construction. So those are some of the segments that are growing. So, the market might be growing a little bit faster in areas where we are not very strong. We've also then applied strong operational and pricing discipline when we look at the market because we believe that it will continue to be stable going forward as well and that we had an impact with the health insurance increase as far as direct cost increase is concerned. So we want to make sure that we are very, very disciplined in the French market so that we derive the value for the service -- the quality service that we provide to our clients. So, we continue to believe that France is on a recovery trajectory. It is an environment that is uneven in France and you can see that although the economic growth is improving, it is improving from a very low level to frankly reasonably modest level at least according to the IMF forecast. So our anticipation is that the market in France continues on its path of recovery. When we look at this compared to a year ago we see some improvement, but really stability is what we are anticipating and stability in our case means a slow growth environment and that's the kind of environment that we are prepared for.

Anj Singh

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Sir, your line is now open

Okay. Got it. And one quick one on the U.S. Could you talk about the OUP margins there? How much of this is just a better mix say from solutions as well as let's say perm just trying to get a better sense of how sustainable this is. It seems like it's the strongest we have seen in a long time, 1998 I think if my model is correct. So just hoping for some more color there. Thank you.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Clearly, our diversification in terms of our business mix has a very strong impact in our ability to drive better profitability in the U.S. But you combine that with a very strong pricing discipline, our ability to recover some of the cost increases either through [indiscernible] or ACA related costs. The teams are doing a very good job. And then clearly, we have seen some very good continued growth on the perm side as well as on the solution side. And that's those are the higher-margin parts of the businesses that are growing. We have managed this very well. To that, we will of course continue to drive efficiency and productivity. So we are really looking at this in a prong way driving higher-margin businesses, continue to make sure that we are pricing disciplined, and then at the same time drive efficiencies in any area that we think we have opportunities.

Anj Singh

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Sir, your line is now open

That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Hamzah Mazari from Sterne, Agee. Sir, your line is now open.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Sterne, Agee. Sir, your line is now open

Good morning. Thank you. Just the first question was around just your footprint and branch efficiency and consolidation. Is most of the low hanging fruit on the cost side behind you post the large restructuring you guys did a few years ago? I'm trying to get a sense of how much further room there is may be on the branch efficiency side in order to see maybe greater operating leverage in the model?

Mike Van Handel

CFO

Sure. Good morning, Hamzah. So, I think as you rightly pointed out we went through a very major cost recalibration program in 2013 and took almost $200 million out of the business. As part of that program, there were four prongs as I'm sure you will remember, one of them being delivery, in our delivery models and driving productivity and efficiency. So that is something that we are very attuned to and are working very hard on. I think, I wouldn't expect to see a step change in terms of cost reduction like you saw in 2013, but we are going to continue to drive efficiency and productivity. I think that's part of what you just saw in the U.S. margin in the first quarter and for the last several quarters. You are starting to see some of that efficiency come through albeit gradually. And so this is -- this is not a one-time project. This is a long-term project where we are driving our efficiency model. We are doing a better job of segmenting our client, so as that we can service more from a centralized basis. Those that prefer to be served more through branch network and as a result, getting more efficiencies overall as you know we have been reducing our overall branch footprint over the years. And I think there is still ways to go on that as well in some of the more developed markets. So it's a continued journey. I think there is still opportunity there and that is something we work on every day.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Sterne, Agee. Sir, your line is now open

That is very helpful. And just a follow-up on the Experis business. Could you maybe talk about some of the delivery model changes you've done in the U.S. and maybe talk about the exposure to large accounts versus small business? Has that changed at all? Any sense of that? Thank you.

Jonas Prising

CEO

The Experis business is delivering skill sets and solutions that are very suitable to centralized delivery. And as you know, not only for our Experis business but also for our Manpower business we skew towards larger organizations as opposed to smaller organizations. And they also are becoming more amenable and used to new delivery models. So, we have seen a good evolution in Experis in the U.S. in terms of having more centralized delivery for a number of our large client relationships. Just as Mike says, we expect that to continue. Now, having said that, we also know that there is a local market. There are clients who prefer to have the deliveries that are closer to them geographically and that we are not ignoring that and we are making sure that we are strengthening that part of the network as well with recruiter as well as salespeople. So, it's really a two-pronged approach. And it really talks about the increased segmentation of the market and the clients are really having the ability to choose, which kind of engagement model and delivery model works best for them in their business. And we continue to see opportunities here to hone our delivery models and do that we really anticipate doing that going forward as well.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Sterne, Agee. Sir, your line is now open

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mr. Tim McHugh from William Blair. Sir, your line is now open.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair. Sir, your line is now open

Yes. Thanks. I just wanted to, I guess ask if you could elaborate a little bit more on what you are hearing in Italy. We watch the data little bit. But, I guess the magnitude of the slowdown is a little surprising relative to the economic data I guess. So, you talked about a slower economy. I recognize you kind of the acceleration you saw last year was faster than any of us thought based on the data that we saw then at that same time. So I guess any more color there on what you are seeing and how we can interpret that?

Jonas Prising

CEO

We think there are a couple of factors. We had the seasonal -- after the seasonal downturn at year end, our come back in terms of the ramp was slower than what we had expected. And we think that in part has to do with a slow economy. We also think there might be an impact of the hiring stimulus that the government implemented late last year which really favored, which really acted as a hiring incentive for permanent hires in Italy. Now, it's hard to gauge to what degree that had an impact but we note and you have seen and you heard from us earlier that our permanent placement business grew at a very healthy 25%. So very strong growth there. So, we also of course have quite tough comparables from the prior year. So, having said all of that, the Italian market is still a growth market and when we look at the opportunity in Italy and you think about the market penetration of slightly more than 1% and just to get to the average market penetration in Europe there still going to be some good growth. So, we are still very optimistic that we will see some growth. But, in the near term, this is going to be a little bit slower than we expected, certainly for the first quarter. And you could see that we expect that to continue somewhat also into the second quarter when our comparables are getting even tougher.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair. Sir, your line is now open

All right. Okay. Thanks. And then, just, I know you got asked about the U.S. margin and sustainability. But, I guess more specifically, as a competitor you talked about in the U.S. about wage pressure really impacting the gross margin, you obviously, I guess, it doesn't show in the numbers for you. But, what are you seeing with regard to wage rates and being able to pass that through in terms of price increases declines in the U.S.?

Jonas Prising

CEO

It's a very competitive market in the U.S. And we have been as you know very price disciplined across our brands, both in Experis as well as in Manpower. On the Manpower side, we did see the softening in the manufacturing sector during the course of last year. And as you heard us talk about earlier, we have now seen some stability with maybe some slight improvement. But, I would mostly characterize the manufacturing sector and our skills in that sector being stable. So, we've continued with our pricing discipline making very sure that we work with engagements and when we are able to either become more efficient delivering our services and making sure we work within client segments that see the value of our overall services. And that's something that we anticipate doing also going forward. The team has done a great job in selecting the segments where we can be successful and we can make sure we demonstrate the quality of service that we have and have been so far able to manage both wage increases and other direct cost pressures quite well.

Mike Van Handel

CFO

Tim, I might add to that as well. I think given the demographics of our workforce, we really don't have workers at minimum wages. So as minimum wages are moving up, it's not having a direct impact on our base wages as well. And of course, most of our larger contracts are priced on a multiple of pay as opposed to a spot rate per se. So that may explain some of the differences as well.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair. Sir, your line is now open

Okay. Thanks. Just one numbers question. There's a change it seems, and obviously, if I look at prior year versus what you reported before between, I think Southern Europe and Northern Europe some revenue moved. Can you clarify what that is?

Jonas Prising

CEO

Sure. Yes. We mentioned that, Tim on our last call. And I think the detail is out there in one of our SEC filings probably last quarter. But, basically we have just we've realigned from a management standpoint, few of the countries into out of the Northern European region into the Southern European region. So, I will give you a few examples. Austria was in there somewhere, Switzerland franchise business was in there, some of the other Eastern European business as we move from Northern Europe down to Southern Europe. So, relatively small overall, but I know it creates a little bit of a hassle with your models. But, you should be able to find the history out there filed if not just give me a ring and I will be happy to send it off to you.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair. Sir, your line is now open

All right. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from George Tong from Piper Jaffray. Sir, your line is now open.

George Tong

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Sir, your line is now open

Thanks. Good morning. You are able to achieve 20 bps of operating margin expansion even with just 2% organic average daily revenue growth in the quarter. What would you need to see in organic average daily revenue growth for the remainder of the year to achieve 20 bps of EBITA margin expansion for the full year?

Mike Van Handel

CFO

Well, that's a good question, George. That's something that we are always trying to drive that operating margin expansion. In the first quarter, we got a little bit of SG&A efficiency, and then, a little bit coming off of the GP line as well. And as I've mentioned in the past and it's more of a generality, but when we get toward mid-single digit organic growth, you can start to see that operating margin and SG&A leverage come through. And when you get to the lower single digits, it can be quite difficult. Certainly, we are focused on driving efficiencies throughout the markets as you will recall we did take a restructuring charge in the fourth quarter that certainly is helping us take some of the cost out of the business where appropriate, while still investing in other areas where we see opportunity. But, that is certainly something that we are driving forward to. But, I don't have an exact number for you in terms of what that 20 basis points would require. But, certainly, we got a little bit stronger organic growth than what we're seeing today and I would be more comfortable with that as we look out to the balance of the year.

George Tong

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Sir, your line is now open

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sara Gubins from Bank of America/Merrill Lynch. Ma'am, your line is now open.

Sara Gubins

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. I want to make sure that I'm understanding the growth in the first quarter versus the expectations for the second quarter. If we look at the guidance for the second quarter, if you take out the extra billing day in M&A, I think you are forecasting 0% to 2% organic growth in the second quarter. Is that compared to the 2% that you saw in the first quarter and if that's right, does it suggest that you saw slowing growth in March versus January and February?

Jack McGinnis

Chief Financial Officer

Yes, Sara, this is Jack. That's right. As Mike kind of laid out previously, that was effectively a 2% organic growth in the first quarter. And after you adjust for the billing days in the second quarter, that takes as to just about 1% organic growth adjusted. So, that's right. You have that right. As we have said, that is aligned with what we saw in the month of March. So that outlook is aligned with what we saw at the end of the quarter.

Sara Gubins

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then, I'm hoping we can get some more color on Northern Europe. It sounds like the guidance would suggest about a little bit of an improvement on an organic basis versus the 2% average daily declines that you saw in the first quarter. Could you help us understand a little bit more about what you are seeing across the region?

Mike Van Handel

CFO

I think if you look at Northern Europe that is where you have probably the most mix. I think there is some improving news within both the Netherlands and Belgium, both of those markets we are seeing better growth there in our business. You'll recall that in the Netherlands in particular, we had stepped away from some business last year for certain anniversary. That is where our growth rate -- now, we are approaching market levels they are. We are seeing improvement there overall. The business in Germany for us is fairly stable overall. And then the U.K., I would step down a little bit. It has been fairly stable. I would characterize it as being flattish. Overall in the marketplace, and that is about what we're seeing in our business. We have one client that is pulling back reducing the level of demand, which is putting us in the low negative single-digit range, little bit of contraction there. But, I don't see a lot of shift and frankly not a lot of shift overall. If I take a look, with the average daily billing days and with some of the impact of acquisitions, actually our second quarter guidance is fairly close to what the first quarter is. So, I would say we are looking at something that's fairly similar in Northern Europe when you strip out billing days impact and you strip out acquisition impact.

Sara Gubins

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then, just a last quick question, do you have that billing days for the third quarter and the fourth quarter just a level set on that? And then, I don't know if you have it, but the impact in the back half of the year from M&A that have already completed, could you help us think through that? Thanks.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Sure. In terms of billing days overall, in the third quarter we are flat with it. We got the same number of days at right around 65 days both periods. And then, in the fourth quarter, 65, during the fourth quarter we actually lose a day. We are at about 63 versus about 64 in the prior year. So it was the impact from days. And then, the last part of your question, I'm trying to remember.

Sara Gubins

Analyst

Around M&A impact from what you've already done.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Right. So the first half of the year, most of our M&A last year happened. We had great time in June. But then, September, we had Veritaaq in Canada and of course 7S right toward the end of September. So effectively you will see about 3% impact in each of the quarter in the first half of the year, third quarter is going to get a slightly less impact, a little bit more than 2%. And then, by the time we get to the fourth quarter, very nominal impact from acquisitions.

Sara Gubins

Analyst

Great. Thank you so much.

Jonas Prising

CEO

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mr. Jeff Silber from BMO Capital Markets. Sir, your line is now open.

Jeff Silber

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Sir, your line is now open

Thanks so much. Just wanted to go back to an earlier question on wage inflation, I think we were just talking about the U.S. Are you seeing any impact in any of your major segments across the world in the areas we are seeing labor supply tightness?

Jonas Prising

CEO

Well, as Mike mentioned earlier, we are primarily working with larger organizations and we use multiples of pay and wage increases and applying those multiples means that we pass those increases on and through to our client billing. So, we are not seeing a margin compression issue, by and large in the U.S. or anywhere else for that matter. Now, there are some countries where you will have an additional impact aside from the regular wage increase, such as Germany, which has the fourth phase of their new labor agreement kicking in June at 3.5%. So, that's going to be for us to work on and make sure that we can also include that in our regular pricing increases and we may see some pressure downwards on margins from that particular one. But, we've been able to mitigate that well in the past. And that is something that we continue to be very focused on.

Jeff Silber

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Sir, your line is now open

Right. And then, you had mentioned the impact of the complementary healthcare costs in France hurting gross margin. Is there anything else going on specifically in France? I know they have been trying to do a lot of labor law reform, I know there has been some pushback but anything on the horizon that you see that could either help or hurt your business? Thanks.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Well, you've heard a lot of stuff coming out of France lately, you've seen demonstrations that the government has really tried to modernize the labor market further and most of those are things related to company's being able to negotiate directly with union, their working hours, directly some reduction in severance pays or at least an understanding of what they will be. All of this though will have at this point from our estimate no impact on our business in France. So, it's an evolving market in France. It is clear that the French government wants to make the market more competitive, wants to make it better from a labor perspective and they made changes over the last three or four years, some of which of course have been beneficial to us. And we overall see this evolution in the French market as positive because it is going to make them more competitive, which will help the economy grow better and that should provide as with even better opportunities in France.

Jeff Silber

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Sir, your line is now open

All right. Great. Thanks so much.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Thanks Jeff.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mr. Mark Marcon from Baird. Sir, your line is now open.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Sir, your line is now open

Good morning and thanks for taking my question. With regards to the restructuring charge that you took in the fourth quarter, how much of that benefit from the savings, did we end up seeing in the first quarter or are we going to see more savings in the second quarter and the back half of the year?

Mike Van Handel

CFO

Good question, Mark. It came fairly quickly. We saw about $7 million in the first quarter, maybe just a touch more than that. And as we get into the other quarters of the year, we are going to be looking at about $8 million per quarter. So, you won't see incrementally a significant shift, just a little bit more coming through the second quarter and the balance of the year.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Sir, your line is now open

Great. And then, with regards to France, in April, aren't we suppose to start seeing a little bit of help from a subsidy to offset a little bit of the health cost that came through?

Mike Van Handel

CFO

Yes. So, it's part of the responsibility pact, increase the subsidy related to the family welfare program. So as a result, we will get some benefit coming in the second quarter, which should help mitigate some of the cost increase from the complementary healthcare. That's right. It won't get fully mitigated, but it will help in offsetting some of the cost increase.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Sir, your line is now open

Great. And then, a bigger strategic long-term question. With perm hitting an all-time record as a percentage of gross profit, how are you thinking about that from a long-term perspective in terms of how comfortable or what size are you comfortable with perm reaching as a percentage of gross profit? And do you think the environment has changed where some companies are basically going to view you as being a permanent, a really truly permanent component quarter in and quarter out in terms of the recruiting infrastructure?

Jonas Prising

CEO

Great question, Mark. And we believe that companies are already increasingly seeing as, as a go-to-company for work force solutions in general. As you've seen our diversification over the years has really taken root. And permanent placement is an important component of that. We have been investing in that over the years and really increasing our capabilities. So this is something we think that companies will continue to use us for. And we have been working very hard to make sure that they can see the capabilities that we have both in developed and in emerging markets. As it relates to what proportion we're comfortable with, I think we have really [baked in] [ph] contingent staffing businesses already in Manpower as well as in Experis. We think they still have some good growth opportunities going forward, for us also the solutions business in itself. So, we don't have a fixed target I should start by saying that. But, I would estimate that this could increase over time to something north of the 15% but we are maybe getting closer to 20% if it's really successful. And I don't know that I would think about it going much further than that. Because that sort of seems to be a place where would already be beacon and with a number of placements that we make, we are bigger than almost anyone in the world today making permanent recruitment. So, the outlook for our perm growth is still very good and we still have a long way to go. But, I think that that would be the range in which you can think about as you model what kind of contributions we think the diversification can have for us.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Sir, your line is now open

Terrific. Thank you.

Jonas Prising

CEO

So, this will be the last question.

Operator

Operator

Okay. Thank you. So our next question comes from Mr. Andrew Steinerman from JPMorgan. Sir, your line is now open

Andrew Steinerman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Sir, your line is now open

I'd like to talk a little bit of a clarification on the Italian margins and the sustainability of Italian margins, the revenue did dip certainly but the operating margins were better than we had modeled. I heard the perm comment being strong. Is there anything more to that kind of healthy margin?

Jonas Prising

CEO

Well, it's really a combination of different things. Good cost controls, steady drive for continued efficiency and productivity, good pricing discipline. There are probably deals that we could have in Italy, but there are pricing, so in sectors with skills that we might not be that interested in growing as fast. Then, continued driving and establishing ourselves really as the leading perm provider in Italy, which is the position that we hold today and building on that strength, so between those, I think you can -- those are the things that are -- have added up to that really strong margin performance, both gross margin as well as operating margin performance, Andrew.

Andrew Steinerman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Sir, your line is now open

Great. Thank you so much.

Jonas Prising

CEO

Excellent. So, this concludes our conference call for the first quarter. And thanks for joining us. And as always, Mike will be available to answer any follow-on investor questions that we didn't have time to cover in our call today. And we look forward to speaking with you again on our next earnings call. Thanks, everyone.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.