Peter Z. Vanacker
Analyst · Aleksey Yefremov with KeyBanc Capital Markets
Thank you, Aleksey. It's a good question. I mean on China, mean a couple of points that I want to make. I mean, we've seen, I mean, in China that there has been also some price increases on a modest level, but there has been some price increases in January. And that probably also has to do, I mean, with the fact, I mean, there was some inventory depletion and growth, I mean, continue to be at around a 4% level for polyolefins. . When we look at the anti-involution, with our people that we have on the ground and all the relationships that we have in our technology business unit, there is a lot of movement. There is a lot of discussion. And we're waiting to see, of course, what the decision will be. But we believe, I mean, that because of all the discussions that are happening that there is a very diligent and very serious evaluation that is going on by the NDRC. So we expect that something will come out. Will it be in Q2 remains to be seen. But I mean, there is lots of pressure, I mean, behind it. And we hear, I mean, for example, criteria for asset rationalization, not at 300 kt for a cracker but 500 kt these kind of discussions. Another thing I want to point to is you see some other policies that are being put in place, like we heard, I mean, from a new naphtha consumption tax that is being put in place not small. I mean, for emerging domestic transactions, [ $300 per tonne ]. Yes, refundable, but it would have to be paid, first of all, upfront, which means, I mean, cash flow and especially, if you have nonintegrated players, nonintegrated ethylene cracker capacity in China is about [ 11 million tonnes ]. Remember that. So that's not -- it's not small. They would have to then pay upfront, I mean that new naphtha consumption tax. So what I want to say is there is a lot happening, I mean, in China that all points in the same direction. And that is making sure that there is also a rationalization going on in that market. I've had another look, I mean, also at the numbers that we presented on a global basis in terms of capacity rationalization. Remember the slide that we showed during the third quarter earnings results. At that time, we talked about a little bit more than [ 21 million tonnes ] of ethylene capacity rationalization, and that did not include the anti-involution. When we look at the further announcements, here and there, news on the ground, we're now looking more at a bit more than 23 million [ tonnes ] of capacity rationalization, again, ethylene capacity rationalization and still that does not include I mean, the anti-involution.