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Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 9, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the LTC Properties Inc Second Quarter 2013 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. (Operator Instructions) After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. (Operator Instructions). I’d like to remind everyone that today’s comments including the question-and-answer session will include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and events to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the LTC Properties filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company’s 10-K dated December 31, 2012. Please also note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Wendy Simpson. Please go ahead.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thank you, Jessica. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. At the time of our last earnings call, we were a day or so late from issuing 4,025,000 shares of our common stock at $44.50 a share. This issuance was primarily to fund $141 million transaction we announced yesterday. In May, looking forward we determined that based on our confidence in the deal pipeline and our development pipeline, we would need to issue equity by the end of the year or start growing in 2014, or take our leverage above our 30% comfortable levels and four of that earned good equity markets in 2014. In May, we thought the Michigan deal will close earlier this year, but it’s a fairly complicated transaction and it has taken longer than we anticipated. Clint will provide more details about this transaction in a movement. At the time we issued the new equity, we could have experienced no dilution this year had Michigan closed sooner than now scheduled. However, we are very pleased to have the deal and while I regret the dilution, I believe we were right in securing the permanent equity at the time and at the price. Now, I’ll turn the call over to Pam Kessler, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, who will comment on our financial results and operator coverage specifics. Then Clint, our Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer will talk about the deal, our pipeline and our development activities. I will then have closing comments before opening the call to questions. Pam?

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

Thank you, Wendy. I will be discussing quarter-over-quarter results. I will refer you to our Q that was filed yesterday for a discussion of year-over-year results. For the income statement, revenues were flat quarter-over-quarter; interest expense decreased $335,000 primarily due to the pay-off of our line of credit in May with the proceeds from the equity offering. General and administrative expense decreased $540,000. In the first quarter, G&A included a one time charge of $707,000 related to the retirement of our former Senior Vice President of Marketing. On a normalized basis, G&A was $167,000 higher in the second quarter due primarily to the timing of certain seasonal expenses surrounding the annual meeting, proxy, legal and some state franchise sales in East Texas. We recognized a $1 million loss on the sale of a 47 bed skilled nursing property in Colorado that was built in 1954. Although we were not actively marketing this property for sale, we determine that we do not want to own and further invest possibly needed capital in the small world property. Annual rent for this property was approximately $138,000. The property was approximately 60% occupied and had EBITDAR coverage of 0.8 times and EBITDAR coverage of 100 times for the trailing 12 months ended March 31, 2013. When the current operator offered to buy it, we view this as opportunistic time to remove this property from our portfolio. Net income available to common shareholders was flat quarter-over-quarter. Normalized fully diluted FFO per share was $0.57 this quarter compared to $0.61 last quarter. The decrease is due to the increase in the weighted average shares outstanding during the quarter resulting from the equity offering in May. Normalized fully diluted FAD per share was $0.57 this quarter compared to $0.60 last quarter. Turning to the balance sheet, during…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thank you Pam, Clint?

Clint B. Malin

Management

Thank you Wendy and good morning everyone. We are very excited to announce our transaction with affiliates of Prestige Healthcare. We are providing long-term mortgage financing for their acquisition of assets in Michigan from the (inaudible). Prestige Healthcare is a privately held operating company based in Louisville, Kentucky that currently operates skilled nursing facilities with approximately 2,500 beds in seven states including one facility in Michigan. They are operated currently within our portfolio, operating in range of care property in South Carolina, which we acquired in February of 2011. Each of the three principals of Prestige is over 20 plus years of experience in the skilled nursing industry. Since our first deal in 2011, we have sought opportunities to expand our relationship with Prestige and this opportunity at Michigan was a unique off market transaction they have brought to us. Michigan portfolio consist of 15 properties with 2,092 licensed skilled nursing beds and 24 IL units, which will increase Prestige’s total beds under operation to approximately 4,500. We’ve announced the details of this $141 million investment in our press release issued on Wednesday. So I’ll first speak to the benefits to help you see this transaction and then walk through the details of the investment. To begin, this was a non-marketed transaction, which we always prefer as it increased the likelihood of our execution, and helps us better prioritize deployment of our resources. The transaction adds a new state to our portfolio and expand the relationship with an existing customer. And evaluating a new state, we’ve taken the consideration of critical mass and obviously this transaction meets that requirement. Additionally, 85% of the properties in this transaction are located in the Detroit Metro area. Continuing to improve our metric of investments located in the top 31 MSAs. Additionally, this investment…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thanks, Clint. We are quite pleased with how Amarillo and (inaudible) have turned out. We are looking forward to attending the opening of our Wichita project on October 5. And we might have another opening in Wisconsin at the end of the year. Our construction and development initiatives are progressing at a pleasing rate and are adding new and modern properties to our portfolio. At the June quarter, we had $90 million of active development and leased up projects underway with $34 million having been dispersed through the end of June. We have $56 million committed to complete these projects. We anticipate spending 27 million for the remainder of 2013 on these projects and $29 million in 2014. The largest project rolling over into 2014 is the new skilled property we are building with Carespring in Kentucky. Of the $29 million we are currently committed to spend in 2014, I anticipate that about $80 million of that spending will be done by the end of the second quarter in 2014, and we will be producing additional rental income. Carespring is the project that will be completed at the end of 2014 and probably opening in 2015 or very close to the end of 2014. As a reminder we talk about our pipeline at those possibilities in which we have a reasonable chance of converting to an actual deal. Right now the dollar investment opportunities for sale leaseback transaction is relatively low in our pipeline, but recently Mark Hemingway, our Vice President of Marketing has introduced two new operators who are possibly interested in pursuing sale leaseback transactions. With the heaviest listing of the Michigan deals now done, Clint will be turning his attention to address these opportunities. Now, we get to what has become my favorite part of these calls.…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) The first question comes from Karin Ford with KeyBanc. Karin A. Ford – KeyBanc Capital Markets: Hi, Good morning.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Good morning, Karin. Karin A. Ford – KeyBanc Capital Markets: Just a question on your comments that sale leaseback volumes are relatively low in the pipeline today, why do think that it is because there was a lot of management attention on the Prestige deal or do you think something has changed in the environment that created a shortfall in the volume mix.

Clint B. Malin

Management

This is Clint Karin. Part of this has been just the attention on the Michigan deal. It was a little bit of a complicated transaction to structure and that’s probably the primarily driver on that. I see that there will be more opportunities for us to pursue sale leasebacks as Wendy mentioned. Karin A. Ford – KeyBanc Capital Markets: Okay, so the increase in rates and some of the uncertainty there in the capital market at present hasn’t changed the seller interest or the competitive landscape in anyway?

Clint B. Malin

Management

No. Right now, no. Karin A. Ford – KeyBanc Capital Markets: Okay, thanks. And what was the primary reason that the Prestige deal got delayed this year?

Clint B. Malin

Management

Just structuring. Karin A. Ford – KeyBanc Capital Markets: Yeah. Perhaps it’s just because it was complicated.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Right.

Clint B. Malin

Management

Right. Karin A. Ford – KeyBanc Capital Markets: Okay. And then finally, there has been some discussion about new supply come in specifically into the memory care space. Have you guys thought about that as you’re looking at new additional memory care developments and owning those properties going forward?

Clint B. Malin

Management

Absolutely, I mean we look at that primary concern of ours and we get market studies. We got off the markets, but looking at the Littleton project that we just completed, is a good example of the due diligence we undergo to look at the opportunity, but we’re very cognizant that there are more development projects coming on line and you really have to know the specific market and partner with the right operators who knows that marketplace? Karin A. Ford – KeyBanc Capital Markets: Thank you.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thank you, Karin.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Tom Roberts with Hilliard Lyons. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: It’s John. Hi, Wendy. First, I want to ask if there is anything specific with you doing all the investment in Kentucky. We hope you’re coming out and seeing us when you are here looking around is all I can say.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

We can move the corporate offices. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: Yeah, it sounds like it. First of all, let’s ask a little bit here about the acquisition environment, heard lot of people, sellers might be taking a little time to adjust to the new reality. Is there a function and the pipeline being mostly development at this point?

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

I am sorry, Pam was just saying something. Who said that?

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

No, John talking about all of our peers…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

That the sellers are taking a pause…

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

Yeah, a pause.

Clint B. Malin

Management

Well, John this is Clint. I think on the private pay side there has been a fair amount of competition between our peers for that asset type. And so there is still a lot of you looking at deals I think on the private pay side. On the skilled nursing side, lot of people look to diversifying away from skills, talk some of our competitor skills ago. So I think that there are similar opportunities on the skilled side and hence looking at the transaction that we were able to execute on in Michigan. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: Okay. Yeah, and almost talking about more from the seller side, you think sellers really hold back at this point, not adjusting to the new…

Clint B. Malin

Management

No they haven’t… John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: In reality.

Clint B. Malin

Management

I haven’t seen the whole back a lot no. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: Are they willing to come, to understand the cap rates have moved with the move across the capital?

Clint B. Malin

Management

I think that there is so much competition on the private pay side that you got private reseller active looking in investing in that space. You’ve got. All of these are trying to diversify. I think that sellers are still can command a certain price of that product type and that’s one of the reasons we are focusing on development of the private pay assets, because we think it’s a better value proposition and a better risk adjusted return for us. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: Good. Any guidance on G&A for the remainder of the year?

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

I think last quarter I had putout a guidance of about $2.7 million a quarter and it think on average that’s still good. There are slight seasonal fluctuations in G&A, but on the whole, I think $2.7 million is still a good run rate. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: Okay. You are operating another expenses, now that’s just including just G&A, are putting acquisition costs in there et cetera?

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

There are some acquisition costs in there. Right now, it’s pretty immaterial, but with next quarter, with Michigan, it maybe a bit higher, maybe $100,000 higher. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: Okay.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Based on that, yeah. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: All right, very good.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

And we will obviously point that out, we always – any fluctuations that’s not normal or recurring, we typically disclose. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: Super. Well, and as I said, how far are you going to do due diligence, give us a call (inaudible).

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Okay. Thanks, John. John Roberts – J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons LLC: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Daniel Bernstein with Stifel, Nicolaus. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: All right, good morning.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Good morning Dan. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Many congrats on the mortgage procedure…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thank you. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: …I think it’s a big event for you. Any tremendous detail that you gave as well earlier in the call, I have one question on that. Once they go ahead and I guess we developed the asset, the properties and fully stabilize some of the assets they have in their portfolio, where do you think the centers Medicare or Medicaid centers would be or quality mix or still mix, whatever you prefer to mention could be. How are you underwriting, where that portfolio will be and when it’s stable?

Clint B. Malin

Management

Right now, they are at about, I would say other than a couple of a assets, I mean pretty much is stabilized. Right now, they are looking at Medicare centers probably in about upper teens to 20% for Medicare. And I think they have got the ability to grow that a little bit, and in Medicaid centers right now, it’s right around the 65% range. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Are they moving anywhere in terms of liquidity up or down in terms of Medicare they are looking to give more (inaudible). I’m just trying to understand where that portfolio is going in terms of volume.

Clint B. Malin

Management

We are not looking at that at the time being, but as they get more into the marketplace and see what the relationships are with the local hospital systems, mainly script writers I mean that could change over time, but right now it’s really still more the focus on short-term readmissions. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Okay.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

See, I would put out, you are one of the few analysts that actually talks about quality mix in terms of sensitive most of the other analysts talk about in terms of revenue. So, but the other analysts out there that are, we typically about quality of mix based on revenue. It’s obviously much higher than census quality mix. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: No, no. absolutely, that’s why asked skilled mix.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Yeah. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Whatever your favorite metric was…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Yeah. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: And then the – I also wanted to ask about the dynamic of looking at top 31 assets versus 31 to 100 metro areas, you have been outside of the top 100. What are you liking about top 31 markets versus going outside that, I think some other REITs and maybe some other operators like going outside of that top 31, they see this maybe a buried entry for construction because folks can’t get the rents they want. How do you look at the dynamic between top 31 and outside, and maybe difference between seniors housing and skilled nursing obviously.

Clint B. Malin

Management

I think it’s different between the two asset types. It’s really a function of positioning these assets in a going forward and the new environment with ACLs potentially coming about being able to integrate into hospital systems lining with them. Managed care systems being able to provide higher acuity levels of care. But, we look at smaller markets as well we’ve made some investments in that. So it really depends on the underwriting and the opportunity in front of us. But, we do think that, what is top 31 of the top 100, I think our portfolio we have a large percentage in that…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

It’s over 60%.

Clint B. Malin

Management

60% on top 100 and I think that provides a lot of opportunity ultimately probably some changing environments, that would be implementation of ACLs, whenever that does happens. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Okay, it’s not that the top 31 is so much better than 32 to 100 or…

Clint B. Malin

Management

Oh no, no… Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Is it the market-by-market analysis?

Clint B. Malin

Management

I think generally the industry rates are down sort of in those classifications we provide that for comparative purpose. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Okay. And then also I want to understand the competition for development funding or the loan funding as well, obviously folks have asked lot of questions on the acquisition side of the competition there. But, do you think you kind of help a well competitive environment for development finding for the kind of loans that you did or proceed, is that why your operators are coming to you for development and the loan financial?

Clint B. Malin

Management

Well I would look at Prestige as far as development funding. I think the development primarily in a private pay side and that is getting more competitive. I think you are seeing banks that are willing to lend a little bit more. You are seeing some of our re-competitors, getting more active in developments of the private pay assets. It is getting there is more competition on that side. Daniel Marc Bernstein – Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Okay, but it’s still not so competitive that you can’t win development deals in. I think that’s all I have. Thank you very much.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thank you, Dan.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Todd Stender with Wells Fargo. Todd J. Stender – Wells Fargo Securities LLC: Hi. Good morning everybody.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Good morning.

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

Good morning. Todd J. Stender – Wells Fargo Securities LLC: Clint, any indication on Prestige’s credit rating? I know they are private. They probably don’t have one, but kind of what your shadow rating is or how you assess the credit quality of Prestige?

Clint B. Malin

Management

So, disclosing that information, well, we got confidentiality agreements on that, but we’ve gone through letting of their organization and their management group and we’ve evaluated them overall as the credit risk. We also look not only to the operator, but we look to the assets as well. So it’s a combination of underwriting both. Our risk is always, do we have to replace a tenant and the question of replacing a tenant is what is the asset quality, location, concentration. So we look at both aspects.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

And you said we evaluated them from a credit risk standpoint, not evaluated that as the credit risk.

Clint B. Malin

Management

Correct.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

And then I’m not sure we mentioned that we’re getting deposits. So, I mean, generally as we have loans, we don’t get loan service deposits, but because this is functioning as there is a loan, but really functioning as a master lease, we have three months of interest coverage, deposit…

Clint B. Malin

Management

Debt service, tax escrow, things of that nature. Todd J. Stender – Wells Fargo Securities LLC: That was my next question. Thanks for bringing that up. So that cash will be held in escrow for a certain amount of time.

Clint B. Malin

Management

Well, it’s expected to – at security deposit in the form of letter of credit, well, us as a beneficiary of that as well as the replacement reserves that have a minimum balance after you maintain the escrow capital dollars with us along with we will say taxes on a monthly basis. Todd J. Stender – Wells Fargo Securities LLC: Okay. Thank you, Clint. And I don’t think I got this. Of the 15 properties how many of them are currently stabilized or by the time that you extend the first payment?

Clint B. Malin

Management

They would be pretty much all of them except the three that – the one that I mentioned that has, was caving premiss to an all Medicare population and the two that are under as addition to renovations going on right now. Todd J. Stender – Wells Fargo Securities LLC: Okay. And the timing of the first payment of $126 million is in Q4. Is there any chance that this gets delayed within the quarter?

Clint B. Malin

Management

It really now subject to licensor as the main item outstanding. Michigan has an 80-day process for licensor and applications have been filed by Prestige with the state. So, at this point I don’t see any delay in that. Typically our experiences with licensor of state has gone fairly smoothly. So I’m not anticipating it’s always subject to their review process, but the good thing is Prestige already operates in the State of Michigan, familiar with the state’s process. So I’m not expecting any delay at this point in time. Todd J. Stender – Wells Fargo Securities LLC: Okay. Thank you. And Pam, kind of your blended cost of capital, has that changed at all? Do you see equity to pay down your line and now you’re probably looking at terming out the line of credit that you’ll be using to fund the first payment. Any kind of think about what your investment spread is going to look like at the end of the day.

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

Yeah, that’s a good question. Yeah, certainly our cost of capital has increased. Our weighted cost of capital, including equity has certainly increased. Rates have increased, but spreads have come down. So I would say, right now if we were looking at a long-term borrowing eight years to 10 years or probably 4.5% to 5% and then for an overall weighted cost of capital probably low to mid 6s%. Todd J. Stender – Wells Fargo Securities LLC: Okay. Thank you.

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Rich Anderson with BMO Capital Markets. Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: Hey, good morning everybody.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Good morning.

Clint B. Malin

Management

Good morning. Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: I am sorry. The deal, there is three parties involved here. What risk – what extent could somebody kind of I mean, this is out of your hand in terms of it not going forward, in terms of a deal actually happening.

Clint B. Malin

Management

Three parties including the seller. Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: Yeah, including the seller.

Clint B. Malin

Management

I mean those documents have been executed and earnest money has gone hard. So, really it’s very minimal, Rich.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Risk is licensing.

Clint B. Malin

Management

The risk is with licenses, that’s it. Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: That’s it. I mean, at this point they could walk away and risk losing those initial funds. Is that right?

Clint B. Malin

Management

I guess they could technically default and put a risk the earnest money, but I see that as given the time and effort and the opportunity within this portfolio I will see that as a very unlikely event. Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: Where would you place the timing and how much of a surprise do you think the, because I don’t know how far back that goes, the Detroit bankruptcy and how that – when did that happen and how much do you think that comes through a range in the system in the whole negotiating process?

Clint B. Malin

Management

It didn’t feel any risk. They filed about a month ago, I believe…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

That’s right.

Clint B. Malin

Management

That’s right. And that had basically no impact at all on the negotiation or on the deal. Again, as I said in my comments, we view that as just headline risk only and I addressed in my comments, I thought it might come up with a question on the call.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

The operator had been – owned these properties for a long time. He has a Chief Operating Officer that’s been with him for 27 years and they just paged out and wanted to sell the assets. So I don’t think it’s got anything to do with the economics of the state of Michigan or the – and he didn’t have a management team that wanted to go forward and buy them out and he found a willing buyer and so that’s what happened. Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: To what degree is this just a stepping stone in a sense that you mentioned your purchase option that you financed Prestige’s purchase and then within a short very window, you end up being the owner of the assets?

Clint B. Malin

Management

I mean, there is a contingency upon how we would, how our purchase option would be available. So I don’t know when that maybe a number of years down the road before that may even become into… Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: Okay. So, there was a trigger that it can happen anytime soon in your side.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Right.

Clint B. Malin

Management

Correct.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Right. Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: Okay. And well, I was going to ask you if you met Jack Callison, but you said you didn’t…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Do you know him? Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: I know Jack very well, yeah.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Well, say, hi when you see him. Rich C. Anderson – BMO Capital Markets: Well, I don’t see him that much. Anyway, good luck thanks very much, good call.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thanks Rich.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Carroll with RBC Capital Markets. Michael Albert Carroll – RBC Capital Markets, LLC: Can you give us an example of how and when your purchase options will be triggered? I think you said, well, a change in the regulatory environment would make those unavailable to you.

Clint B. Malin

Management

Sure. Right, now it’s the time, the reimbursement system under Medicaid in Michigan reimburses for property specific debt. And since we don’t have property specific debt on our investments other than a nominal amount, they don’t reimburse for rental expense. So if the state’s reimbursement system were to change at some point in time in the future, that would trigger a mechanism where we would be able to exercise the purchase option. Michael Albert Carroll – RBC Capital Markets, LLC: Okay. And then how is your current pipeline right now and do you have any other large portfolio that you’re looking at?

Clint B. Malin

Management

No, we are not looking at any other large portfolio. As I indicated, we’re about a $170 million right now, which primarily has a majority of its development or expansion renovation opportunities within our portfolio. Michael Albert Carroll – RBC Capital Markets, LLC: Okay, and then related to on the Assisted Living Concepts, I thought that the coverage ratios were largely flat and now they are about 0.9 times I mean is that where you expect to be kind of stabilize that?

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

I would expect the sales to be going up. When Dr. Roadman started running the company, he was adding cost appropriately of course, he was staffing up and getting the right combination. And I think overall, we’ve seen some improvements in the census. So the census is catching up with the cost, and I think just the energy that a new company brings to or a new attitude brings to, I would expect that these properties will see increase in census. And it’s a trailing twelve, so we may have one more quarter for the additional cost of rolling, so we could have one more turn down. I think if you go to the before, Dr. Roadman took over it clicked down one turn each quarter, and I think we have one more quarter to go. So if we go…

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

But in those two quarter that ticked down.

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

Yeah.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

The next quarter might have had increase in census.

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

Right

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

I’m not too concerned about those properties through the end of our lease term with them. Michael Albert Carroll – RBC Capital Markets, LLC: Okay, then the coverage ratios, is that $0.94 or $0.86 and our which one is it closer to?

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

It is 0.89. Michael Albert Carroll – RBC Capital Markets, LLC: Okay. And then, do you still expect or could we expect that a resolution could occur by year-end or how soon could we expect something to be completed?

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

I would expect that we will need a resolution by the end of this year, which is when the option is first addressed. And now that they are even more distance from Extendicare, I expect that Extendicare is not at all interested in renewing the lease. So, by the end of the year we will have some opportunity to start looking at additional for replacement operators if that’s the way we go.

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

And I would point out Mike that that coverage is the EBITDAR after 5% fee. EBITDARM, it’s 1.1. Michael Albert Carroll – RBC Capital Markets, LLC: Okay, great. So they are still cash flow positive.

Pamela J. Shelley-Kessler

Management

Yeah.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Yes, they are cash flow positive. Michael Albert Carroll – RBC Capital Markets, LLC: Great. Okay.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) With no further questions, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Wendy Simpson for any closing remarks.

Wendy L. Simpson

Management

Thank you, Jessica, and thank you all for listening to our conference call and hopefully we answered all of your questions about the Michigan deal, but if somebody has another question, give us a call. We’ll be in today and answering you and we look forward to talking to you at the end of the third quarter. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.