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Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 6, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q2 2013 Louisiana-Pacific Corporation Earnings Conference Call. My name is Allison, and I'll be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I'd now like to turn the call over to Sallie Bailey, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please proceed, ma'am.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · UBS

Thank you very much, Allison, and good morning. Thank you for joining our conference call to discuss LP's financial results for the second quarter of 2013 and year-to-date result. I am Sallie Bailey, LP's Chief Financial Officer, and with me today are Curt Stevens, LP's Chief Executive Officer; as well as Mike Kinney and Becky Barckley, our primary Investor Relations contacts. I will begin the discussion with a review of the financial results for the second quarter of 2013 and the first 6 months of 2013. This will be followed by some comments on the performance of the individual segments and selected balance sheet items. After I finish my remarks, Curt will discuss the general market environment in which LP has been operating, provide his perspective on our operating results for the second quarter of 2013 and give some thoughts on the outlook for the second half of 2013. As we have done in the past, we have opened up this call to the public and are doing a webcast. The webcast can be accessed at www.lpcorp.com. Additionally, to help with the discussion, we've provided a presentation with supplemental information that should be reviewed in conjunction with the earnings release. I will be referencing these slides in my comments this morning. We have also filed an 8-K this morning with some supplemental information, as well as our Form 10-Q. I want to remind all the participants about the forward-looking statements comment on Slide 2 of the presentation. Please also be aware of the discussion of our use of non-GAAP financial information included on Slide 3 of the presentation. The Appendix attached to the presentation has some of the necessary reconciliations that have been supplemented by the Form 8-K filing we made this morning. Rather than reading these 2 statements, I…

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · UBS

Thank you, Sallie. That was a very detailed review, lots of numbers there. I will make a few comments today on our performance for the last quarter, also talk about some of the other accomplishments that we had last quarter, including the startup of the 2 mills that Sallie mentioned, including my views on the housing market and provide some comments on what I see for the second half of this year. For the second quarter in a row, our safety performance was very good with a year-to-date total incident rate of 0.48 and the rolling 12-month total incident rate of 0.37. Again, safety remains the #1 objective at LP. As Sallie just reviewed, overall sales increased by about 45 -- by 35%. We're at $0.67 per diluted share, 41% on an adjusted basis. And for the second quarter in a row, we had over $120 million in adjusted EBITDA. OSB prices moderated in the quarter from Q1, but were still up substantially from last year. As in the first quarter, higher shipments of our SmartSide strand products had another strong quarter in South America and contributed to our improved performance. While Q2 was a very good quarter, it was also a bit confusing, as we saw weakening demand in pricing in OSB, a reported decline in housing starts in June and turmoil in the mortgage markets as rate spiked following comments by the Federal Reserve. This is the same time that the homebuilders are universally telling the story of improved housing demand, more pricing power and concerns about material shortages. So here, I'm going to share some of my theories. Weather played a big part in lower housing starts, we had very cold weather in April in the northern tier in the U.S. and unusually wet weather in Texas…

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · UBS

Great. Thank you, Curt. Now, Allison, if we could, we'd like to go to queue for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Gail Glazerman of UBS.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

I guess, starting with OSB pricing, would it be possible to give a sense of, I guess, maybe where you ended the quarter relative to what your quarter average was? Or just any vague sense of how much a lag there might have been in terms of realizing the market decline?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · UBS

Well, again, if you look at Random Lengths, Random Lengths started to go down at the end of -- or about the middle of April and proceeded down really every week through the end of the quarter and didn't really turn around until after the 4th of July holiday. So the Random Lengths price for the quarter was the lowest at the end of it and, again, didn't recover until the second or third week of July. But we have seen an uptick in pricing since then, although, I think, last Friday's was relatively flat.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Okay. But I'm trying to understand your realization versus your average in the second quarter, then just how much catch-up there may be relative to what happened in the broader market and how much might have been mix and other things?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · UBS

Well, I -- to be honest with you, I don't have those numbers in front of me. We look at it on a quarterly basis. So, I can't...

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · UBS

Yes, I guess, the only thing we can add, Gail, is that we tend to have -- depending it on a 1 to 2 week lag, so that's why we do worse in rising markets and do better in falling markets.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

If there's only 1 to 2 weeks, so that would imply that your price performance in the quarter was really driven more by mix than anything else?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · UBS

I think that's likely very true. I mean, we did -- our value-added product was better in the second quarter of 2013 with a greater percentage than it was in the second quarter of 2012.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · UBS

Gail, the other thing that happened this we did see a tightening of the flooring product, between commodity and flooring, where, in the first quarter, flooring was actually selling for a lower price than the commodity and that reversed itself. And we sell -- we have the #1 brand in flooring in TopNotch, so that helped us.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Okay. I mean, I guess just, Curt, going on to your broader comment. I mean, as you look more into August, are you starting to see catch-up from this spring? Is there any sort of acceleration or is it more a steady state?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · UBS

Well, right now, in OSB, we're seeing more of a steady state.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Okay. And can you talk a little bit about your export trends? I mean, I presume that's reflected in Chilean volume being down, but just to give a sense of the changes you did have in export?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · UBS

Well, when we treat export -- other than Chile, which obviously is very strategic to us to satisfy the demand in Chile. The other export volume, we use this kind of a relief valve where we see disconnect between demand and supply in the U.S. And so we will take some offshore business both to Eastern Europe and also into Asia.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Okay. I mean, was that down year-on-year, quarter-on-quarter, or is it up?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · UBS

It was up sequentially from Q1, it was probably a little bit down from Q2 of last year.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Okay. And just one last question. Sallie, in recent quarters, you've given us kind of an inventory change number, would it be possible to share that?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · UBS

Oh, sure. The inventory, let me myself get the number. It's -- inventory for the quarter -- Becky [ph] is going to get it for me. The provided -- $20.5 million, and then year-to-date, we've used $28 million.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Okay. And you don't have that in the volume change basis?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · UBS

Oh, Gail, we'll have to get back to you on that.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Mark Connelly of CLSA. Mark W. Connelly - Credit Agricole Securities (USA) Inc., Research Division: Curt, Sallie, just 2 things. SmartSide looks like it's just continuing to do well as it has been and obviously, not as heavy, to the new home build markets are pretty attractive. Is there a way for you to expand that geographically beyond where you're operating now or are there plans to try to do that? And the second question is input costs. Can you tell us what you think you're going to see in the second half of the year?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · CLSA

Well, first, your question on siding. We do actually produce the siding product in South America now in our Chilean facility. So we've been supplying that to that Chilean market and the Brazilian market out of South America. In North America, we have a product called CanExel, which we sell predominantly in Canada, but we do a little bit of export of CanExel into Europe. And then our SmartSide, which is really driving all the growth, we do sell a -- both a pre-finished in Canada out of our East River facility and we also provide some product in Canada. Beyond that, we've got a little bit of business with Lowe's in Australia. They asked us to follow them with our siding line down there, so we do some business there. We've looked at the opportunity in China, but we think that's a little too early for us at this point. Mark W. Connelly - Credit Agricole Securities (USA) Inc., Research Division: Curt, I meant to expand it more deeply across North America because it still feels like a relatively regional product. Just wondering if -- with your success with that product, whether there's a way to just grow the -- increase the growth rate faster?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · CLSA

Well, that's what we're trying to do. We're actually in all different regions. We have a dual distribution strategy that we've largely implemented, but we haven't completely implemented that yet. But we just changed -- we just added a major distributor in Texas, which we think will accelerate our growth down there. So we do have a dual distribution strategy throughout the state of Texas. We are running significant marketing campaigns in the Northwest to turn the tide from some of our earlier issues there, and that's been successful. And then the strength of this product has always been kind in the middle part of the country, and we continue to grow that. So we are going on all cylinders. I think we've added -- we've agreed to add 4 people into the Siding sales group in the second half of the year, which for us, they only have 100 salesmen, that's a pretty big increase. Mark W. Connelly - Credit Agricole Securities (USA) Inc., Research Division: All right, okay. And on the input cost for the second half?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · CLSA

Input cost, we think we're going to be relatively flat, it will be up a little bit, but not a lot.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Mark Wilde of Deutsche Bank.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Curt, you gave us some color on the different restarts, I wondered if you could just give us a bit more detail. How are you running up at Dawson Creek right now? I think the initial plan there was to run one shift, are you running one shift fully right now?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

We are, and that's largely focused at our flooring product for the West Coast and TechShield. So we're trying to do the specialty products for the West Coast where we see that demand. So we'll probably keep that one shift until we do see the demand come up.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. And then down at Clarke County, what kind of rate is that running at right now?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Really crummy. We're running that 4 shifts 24/7, but as I said, we're having a lot of preventive maintenance work going on and debugging of -- one of the big problems we found is that the software, and update on some of our equipment, not all of our equipment so we're spending a lot of resources just on the software controls down there. We're not seeing any mechanical failures, it's more related to the software.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. You mentioned that you had an $8 million loss in the second quarter. Do you have any sense of what we might expect out of there if current prices just remain flat in the third quarter?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

I would think we'd cut that by at least half.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. All right. And then just moving down to the Latin American business. You said you're still studying the third mill down in Chile, can you give us some sense of what the timing might be on a decision there?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

We actually had a review in our board meeting last Friday. Frederick [ph] and his team came up. What they would like to do, of course, is get started immediately. I think, more practically, our board will review that in the either the February or the May meeting. And if we can get started on that, we would have limited production at the end of 2015.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. And what would that production -- how big a facility are you talking about? I assume this is another relocation of an idled U.S. capacity down in Chile?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

It is. I think our current thinking is we do have assets of the same size as we have there now. We also have bigger assets. I think the current plan would be to take one of the bigger assets down there and then idle, put it on the same side as the current mill, then idle the current mill, ramp-up the new one, and then probably use that for siding only at some point in the future.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. And is it possible, in Latin America, to give us some sense of relative profitability between Brazil and Chile? Because it sounds like Brazil has been running at probably -- it's a bigger facility, been running at a lower operating rate, so I assume that Chile is disproportionately profitable versus Brazil right now.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

That's true for 2 reasons. One, in Chile, most of it is going into the home construction. And Brazil, we're still going into packaging and furniture and other applications. So we haven't made the full penetration to home construction. So the margins are positive in both places, but they're much more profitable in Chile.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. And then finally, could just talk about what it's going to take to get the Engineered Wood business to profitability? I know you mentioned costs were up, but in the face of better volumes and better price, it was a little disappointing to see results actually down there.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Yes, it was disappointing to us as well. But if you think about it -- and I've seen the releases from our competitors as well, then we also -- our pricing go up a little bit like 10%, which is actually [ph] was a pretty big increase, but the cost production is up 30% when you get OSB and lumber pricing where it was. I think we're going to see improved -- well, I know we'll see improved results in Q3, because we've worked through some of the expensive inventories as pricing has come down in OSB, as well as in lumber. What we've said pretty consistently is that we need 1 million to 1.1 million starts so that it would start to show black ink and that's kind of where we are. Now it was a tale of multiple products. We actually made money in our LVL business and we're pretty damn close at LSL business. Well, we lost it all with I-Joist, which is very heavy on the raw materials that I just talked about.

Operator

Operator

Or next question comes from Chip Dillon of Vertical Research Partners.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

I wanted to ask you first, just in terms of understanding the kind of how you all look at free cash flow, I know there are a lot of moving parts. But if we look at the net debt change, as you all measure it from the first and second quarter, your net -- or net cash, I should say, went up by $77 million. And then you spent $67 million on the piece of -- on the other half of the mill. So if I add those 2 together, I get $144 million. And of course, I know working capital, as you mentioned, was a big part of it, but am I missing something in that equation?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Yes, Chip, I think the best thing to do really is to look at the 8-K supplements that we filed, look at the 10-Q, and look at the cash flow by the quarter. And we generated $147 million of cash in the quarter. We spent $71 million between CapEx and the Peace Valley joint venture, so that gets to the primarily the improvement that we're talking about.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Okay. All right, I'll take another look at that, because that helps a lot. And then in terms of the -- you mentioned the Clarke County mill, looks like it lost $8 million in this quarter. What was -- could to remind us what it was in the first quarter? And you're sort of saying it might be cut in half like maybe $3 million, $4 million in the fourth -- I'm sorry, in the third, where do you sort of see that thing hitting profitability again and keeping price constant? And I mean, could be a $10 million or $15 million EBIT contributor next year?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Absolutely. Yes, we would -- we fully expect that the total profitability next year. What we've always said is ramping up these mills that -- they've been idle for a while, does take time. So we are behind our curve, probably by 2 months, 2 to 3 months, but we expect to be, given that lag, we expect to be where we said we would be next year.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Got you. And when you look at CapEx, I know you mentioned it's $85 million for this year. I know it's early days, but can you give us kind of a range of where we could see it next year? And then how much incremental would there be because of Peace Valley?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

I don't -- we're going through our capital allocation right now, so I'm not sure I'm comfortable giving you a number for next year. On Peace Valley, we did have some extraordinary maintenance that we had this year that's included in that $25 million -- or at least our portion, included that $25 million number. I don't think Peace Valley is going to be much different than any of our other mills. We don't see any major deferred maintenance that's there. So I think it will just be kind of in the $2 million to $2.5 million per plant kind of number for maintenance capital.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

And, Chip, to give a little bit more color on the $85 million, $10 million of that relates to our systems upgrade project and $75 million relates to the base businesses.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Got you. Got you. And then as you look at the -- what's interesting about the mills that were built or started, I guess, back in this last cycle, you've seen them kind of the last to start up, if you will, whether it's in the one in South Carolina or yours in Alabama. And I guess there's one up in Canada. Do you think there's a lesson here in terms of maybe the scale of new capacity? Maybe we've hit a point of diminishing returns and 1 day, we will need more capacity, and do you think it will come in smaller chunks? Or do you think that they'll still be of this size?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

That's a real good question. We have a mill in Hayward, Wisconsin in our Siding business, it has 2 lines. And I really pretty like that configuration, because it gives me the flexibility to do siding on one of them, and do OSB on other, and revert back to siding when demand takes on -- takes off. So I think that's a pretty good current configuration. That's exactly what we were talking about in Chile. Mark asked a question about the Chile plan. We'll put a second plant on the same site, so we can use the same management team, but it will be physically separated. Rather than being an 800 million gorilla, it will be smaller than that. The economics of these big plants is when they do go down, they go down and you lose all of it. Where if you have different configurations, I think you have more flexibility. As far as how we're going to add capacity, we're going to take a page from the playbook of siding where we've added capacity in existing facilities to the extent we can by adding plants or adding peripheral additional equipment. We did that in Two Harbors, increased their capacity by 25%. Our board just approved a project that Tomahawk to increase their capacity by 40%, and we have something in the drawing boards to increase Hayward by another 40%. So I think that's the way we're going to approach this. Plus we do have -- we control a fair amount of idled equipment that we can redeploy like we have in South America. We'll look at that as an alternative.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Got you, very helpful. And real quickly, how many salespeople did you say you added in the Siding business?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Well, we added 4 in the second half, we added 5 in the first half. So we've added, I think, 9% of our sales force, basically, between the first half and the second half of the year just in Siding.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Weintraub of Buckingham Research.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Buckingham Research

First, just back on Clarke County for a minute. Could you remind us when that started up, the facility?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

It started up late April, early May.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Yes.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Okay. And so I guess, though, with the lower price -- the product that got sold was hit when the pricing had already rolled off some?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Well, what we sell is -- you have to qualify the products and so you're selling less than A grade product, so you're selling it for dunnage and other -- so you're selling it for lower price because of that.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Okay. And at this point, I mean, how far along are you in terms of having rectified the issues?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Well, it's a day to day. We're ramping it up everyday. And we have some really good days and once in a while we have a bad day. It's not unique to any other kind of a complicated start-up like this. And I will say we warned everybody that these startups don't happen easily.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Sure. And so where is your capacity at this point and your -- how much can you produce at this -- in, say, the second half of the year, recognizing that you're obviously run to demand? But what type of rated capacity do you have at this point?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

I think we're right about $1 billion a quarter, maybe a little north.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Now if I -- didn't you produce $1 billion in the second quarter?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Yes, we did.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Okay. And so I was just -- I think you had mentioned that you have taken some down time, and so just trying to understand those 2.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

What's your question, Mark, I'm sorry?

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Buckingham Research

I'm just so...

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Well, I think the down time that we mentioned was the down time that we took in Brazil. And what Curt's talking about...

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

We did take some in North America.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Buckingham Research

I know we did. But a mean, but in North America, we did that by taking shifts down versus -- so...

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Right. Yes, we took some shifts out in 2 of our Canadian plants.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Okay. And then lastly, I know -- production was up, I think, it was about 8%, shipments I think were only up 2%. So superficially, it seems like you maybe built some inventory in the quarter, is that accurate? And was that -- and how do you...

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Buckingham Research

Yes.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Buckingham Research

That's why we took a downtime, we saw our inventory coming up.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Buckingham Research

And also, Curt talked about that some of our sales were -- we had some export sales this quarter. And so we talked about this a lot in one of our earlier calls about the FOB shipping versus destination and those export sales generally if they are on the water, they sometimes are in our inventory and that was true. And so -- or they're at the port waiting to be shipped. And so that showed up in those numbers as well and some of the difference. I just want to go back to the rated capacity. Our rated capacity is -- well, I mean, what's running is this 4.2.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Steve Chercover of D.A. Davidson. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: So yes, I'm also interested in your theoretical capacity. Is all that you've got left to add would be Chambord and then 3 shifts at Dawson, is that how we should look at it?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

That's right. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: So that would be, what, another 400,000 -- 400 million square feet or so combined?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

Chambord is about a 500 million square-foot mill, so probably 500, and full shifts at Dawson would add another 300 or so on that one. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Got it. And you mentioned taking, I guess, not a world class, although I think Chip's is on to something that world class might not be the best thing to have. But I guess, what would have been a good scale facility back a generation ago down in Brazil or to Chile. So which one of those idled assets would that be like Silsbee or St.-Michel?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

Well, it's actually another asset that we bought in the market about 1 year ago. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Can you identify that?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

It's the Lemoyne mill that Marco [ph] had. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Okay. That's interesting. All right, and so that would be...

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

Caught you offguard, didn't I, Steve? Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Yes, I guess I forgot about that one. So that one would be dedicated to commodity OSB and then ultimately the small unit would be towards SmartSide?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

Yes, it's about 140 million square feet that's down there now that we would probably dedicate to SmartSide. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: And how's the early market acceptance of SmartSide down in South America?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · D.A

We don't have enough capacity. And in fact, we're struggling because Brazil going to launch SmartSide as well and we have not figured out on how to do that on a continuous press.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Alex Ovshey of Goldman Sachs.

Alex Ovshey Ovshey - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

With the Peace Valley acquisition now closed, can you talk about how we should think about that from a modeling point of view? Or are you expecting the inventory write-up to also impact part of the third quarter? And then can you give us any color on how we should be thinking about the payout for that acquisition towards the Canfor?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Sure. Alex, we should be through most of the write-up due to the acquisition in the second quarter. There will be some minimal impact in the third quarter, so I think you should view that mill similar with how you would do the modeling for the other mills that we have. I mean, other than it's the largest mill now in our family of mills, I don't see that as being any different from the other information we've provided. I mean, do you want to address that?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Yes, on the earn out, you all will be happy and so will I if I pay the earn-out out. Basically what we've done is we set a base level of EBITDA and we share a portion of that for the next 3 years, that's the way that it works. I'm not prepared to give you the number.

Alex Ovshey Ovshey - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Okay, Curt. And just one follow-up on that side, can you guys talk to what the impact was in the second quarter from the inventory writeup?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Well, fundamentally, it would have been as if we had owned them, it's as if they did a joint venture the entire time. So what really happened is some of that write up in the inventory showed up in the gain on the sale of that we recorded.

Alex Ovshey Ovshey - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Okay, got it.

Alex Ovshey Ovshey - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

And -- sorry, go ahead.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

No. Sorry, go ahead.

Alex Ovshey Ovshey - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Okay. As you're restarting all the idled mills that have been out for the last couple of years, can you just talk about where you see LP on the cost curve relative to the competition? And also talk to which mills do you see the flex mills in the context of choppiness and then demand, which mills would be the ones potentially the ones where there would be downtime taken first?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Well, as far as the cost curve, we see [indiscernible] studies and the [indiscernible] studies, and by region, we're pretty close to being on top of each other. The decision I want to take out is generally a freight decision more than it is a cost of production, because it's getting into the market. So our Canadian mills have taken a disproportionate amount of the downtime and I would think that would continue, because Maniwaki is a long ways away and Dawson Creek's a ways away, so -- and Swan Valley. So I would expect that if we flex, they're going to be flexing the Canadian mills. Now the currency, U.S. dollar getting stronger, helps us a little bit that decision but when it was over parity, pretty easy decision on where to take out capacity.

Alex Ovshey Ovshey - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Makes sense, Curt. And just last question for me, with the cash flow -- with the cash position building on the balance sheet, can you talk about appetite for our potential special dividend similar to what your neighbor to the north has talked to where variable a dividend is paid out and reflective of the cash flow generation of the company during the course of the year?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Yes. Oh, go.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Well, historically, our board has not supported any special dividend and they based that decision on data. But if you look at special dividend, it reduces your stock price by 105%. It doesn't sound like a very good use of money for shareholders. So that's not something we're too excited about. Now we had a regular dividend in the past and we've also done share repurchases in the past. But regular -- our special dividend would likely be at the bottom of our list.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Quinn of RBC Capital Markets.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Chris and Sallie, just a couple of questions. What's the order file? Could you sort of give us an idea of where you're at now versus sort of what you saw in Q2 and Q1?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

I think that the order file was longest in Q1, shortest in Q2, and we're probably somewhere in between in Q3. How's that?

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Not as detailed as I expected.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

I think it's probably exactly as detailed as you expected, but maybe not as detailed as you would have liked.

George L. Staphos - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

That's true as well. Just drilling down in EWP. The higher costs in the quarter from OSB, I guess, on the I-Joist, how much inventory you have in that segment? And I mean, because what we saw in OSB pricing was down, so I'm just trying to reconcile that with the comment on higher costs.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Generally, they would have between in transit, because most of that -- or most of the web stock is coming out of Canada, so you've got 3 to 4 weeks in transit and then you're probably sitting on another 3 to 4 weeks, so you're probably on an 8-week kind of level where you're committed to pricing.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay, that's helpful. And then just lastly, just on qualification for Clarke County, how long does it take when she startup to qualify that board?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

The board got qualified very quickly. It got qualified within 5 days. But then you have to make sure that every board that's coming off the line, so there's extra level of quality scrutiny on that. And if there's any question about being an A grade or not, we downgrade it, because we don't want to take any reputational risk.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay. So, for example, in June, can you give us a rough idea as to what would be qualified board and what would be selling for less than A quality?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Probably in the 25% to 30% were downgraded in June. I don't have it right in front of me, but that's kind of what I would have expected. And now think you're probably in the less than 15% kind of number.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Thank you, everyone. Allison, I think that's all the time we have for questions. So if you could please provide the replay number. I would like to thank everybody for participating in our call and Mike and Becky are available, as always, to answer any follow-up questions you may have. Thank you, and we hope that all of you have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes your conference call for today's call. You may now disconnect. Thank you very much and good day.