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LightPath Technologies, Inc. (LPTH)

Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 14, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the LightPath Fiscal 2017 First Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Dorothy Cipolla, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Thank you, and good afternoon. Welcome to LightPath Technologies' fiscal 2017 first quarter financial results conference call. The call today will be hosted by Mr. Jim Gaynor, President and Chief Executive Officer. Following management's discussion, there will be a formal Q&A session open to participants on the call. Before we get started, I would like to remind you that during the course of this conference call, we will be making a number of forward-looking statements that are based on our current expectations and involve various risks and uncertainties that are discussed in our periodic SEC filings. Although we believe that the assumptions underlying these statements are reasonable, any of them can prove to be inaccurate and there can be no assurance that the results will be realized. In addition, we will also make reference to certain Non-Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or non-GAAP measures, for which you should refer to the appropriate disclaimers and reconciliations in our SEC filings and press releases. With that out of the way, it's now my pleasure to introduce Mr. Jim Gaynor, President and CEO of LightPath.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Thank you, Dorothy, and welcome to everyone who has joined us on the call today. We appreciate your interest in LightPath. I will open with an overview of operational results, highlights, and recent developments and then will turn the call over to Dorothy for a more in-depth review of our financials. After some closing remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. Now onto my remarks, in the first quarter of fiscal 2017 we continued our streak of really strong performance. With this being our seventh consecutive quarter of improvement since we implemented a series of new growth initiatives in early 2015. Here are some of the highlights from our first quarter. Revenue for the first quarter of fiscal 2017 increased 19% to $5 million, as compared to $4.2 million for the first quarter of fiscal 2016. Gross margin as a percent of revenue in the first quarter of fiscal 2017 improved to 57%, which compares to 54% in the first quarter of fiscal 2016 and 54% for all of last year. We've done a really good job of diversifying and growing our revenues, while keeping our cost aligned to drive improvements in gross margin. Our effective expense management below the cost of goods sold line was distorted in the first quarter as we prepared for the impending previous announced acquisition of ISP Optics Corporation. Professional services and related acquisition expenses of $484,000 were incurred in the first quarter. LightPath's financial performance metrics for the first quarter were impacted by, one, the non-cash income of 43,000 related to the change in fair value of the company's warrant liability, and two, M&A expense for professional services of $484,000. The net of these costs lowered the net income by 441,000. Our 12-month backlog decreased by 12% in Q1, and this is due…

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Thank you, Jim. First, I would like to mention that much of the information we are discussing during this call is also included in the press release and Form 10-Q which we released earlier today. I encourage you to visit our Web site at lightpath.com and specifically the section inside our Investor Relations. I'll now review financial performance and operational details from our fiscal 2017 first quarter, which ended on September 30. Revenue for the first quarter was 5 million, an increase of 19% from 4.2 million last year, and up by 6% from 4.7 million in the fourth quarter of last year. The increase from the first quarter of last year is attributable to an 80% increase in sales of our high-volume precision molded optics HVPMO lenses, a 16% increase in sales of low volume precision molded optics at our LVPMO, and an increase of 41% in sales of infrared lenses. This is partially offset by a 32% decrease in specialty products and a 5% decrease in non-recurring engineering in our lead projects. The decrease is revenue generated by our specialty products group was due to the absence of approximately 335,000 of revenues generated in the first quarter of last year due to fiber assembly sold to a customer pursuant to a license agreement. This marks the seventh consecutive quarter where we have experienced year-over-year increases in sales from both of our precision molded optic appliance of our infrared products. In addition to these product groups, and for full disclosure, we did break our streak of five consecutive quarters in which our revenues showed marked improvements. Moving to our geographic revenue mix, 38% was from the U.S, 35% from Asia, 17% from Europe, and 10% from rest of the world. Our geographic mix has moved from 58% to 62%…

Operator

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions] And your first question will come from Joe Maxa of Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead.

Joe Maxa

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Thank you, and congratulations on a nice quarter.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Thanks, Joe.

Joe Maxa

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

I wanted to dig a little bit more on the vertical that you are seeing success in the telecom, and the industrial look like you had some nice quarters, can you give us a little color on what applications and then if you expect that to continue in the near-term and mid-term?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Yes, I think what we are seeing in telecom is the continuation of growth in that area for optical networks, which is being driven by the three catalysts that we -- market themes that we mentioned, which is the datacenter interconnect expansions, the big one being I think the upgrade of the metro core, which is the shore haul thing to higher speed fiber optic networks, and that I see continuing for quite some time. And then the third being the continued stimulus that we see going in the emerging world, in China, in particular and other emerging economies as they continue to spend -- even though their economy is sort of down, they are continuing to spend on this type of infrastructure build out in the optical and wireless network as those -- as the bandwidth demand continues to grow. So, that's driving that side of it. And then in addition to that, China has announced a huge investment in its infrastructure build out in the transportation sector, primarily around expanding their high-speed rail system. I think they announced that they were going to spend like $722 billion over the next three years for transport type infrastructure expansion. And a large part of that will be for the high-speed rail where they said they are going to double the size of it. They currently have four main lines, and they are adding four additional lines. So, I think -- and that's huge construction. So that gives a boost to our market in the industrial tool segment. So for things like laser levels and all the kinds of tools we are using, those kinds of guys and laser optics as part of the tool. So we see that growth continuing, and I think it's been laid out in more detail in some surveys that Needham put out, and we see it in the order activity from our own customers as their business in that particular segment has continued to grow and grow quite substantially.

Joe Maxa

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

That's helpful. A question on the gross margins, obviously very strong in the quarter, do you expect that to continue or should we see that pull back as some of the other and maybe the engineering services come back is, or specialty products, or is this is a pretty good level to think about?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Well, I think -- you know, I believe that it's a fairly decent level, I believe there is some variability to it quarter-to-quarter, but we should be running in that -- at these kinds of volumes we should be running in the very high 40s to the mid 50s, pretty consistently. So I see it you know, 50 -- in the low 50s going forward here pretty consistently.

Joe Maxa

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Great, thanks a lot.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks, Joe.

Operator

Operator

And the next question will come from John Nobile of Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Hi, good afternoon, Jim and Dorothy. Excellent top line by the way, $5 million beyond what I was expecting, but I wanted to talk to you about the bottom line, in particular the tax rate, I know that you have a 25% tax rate in China, but when I look at this, it doesn't make sense, you had nearly a 65% overall tax rate. So, I was hoping to get to the bottom of why so high in this quarter?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Well, I'm going to let Dorothy answer that question.

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

The primary reason has to deal with the fact that we cannot take advantage of those foreign tax credits on the U.S. side, because we have NOLs. So, NOLs have a 20-year life and foreign tax credits have a 10-year life, and you have to use the NOLs first. So, we have the disadvantage of having to pay taxes, but we have the good point of having income, but we cannot be deductive against U.S. tax rates.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Okay, but still China is -- I believe you should be paying about 25%, even if all of this was in China, that's what I was trying…

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Yes, if you look at the standalone numbers, it is that -- in the book that 25%, but you have to remember that what is -- China's largest customers is in our company and those sales are eliminated.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Okay, okay.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

So, for Joe -- I mean, John, I'm sorry; the thing that really happened is we entered a period where you know, the tax shelters that we had on our foreign profits expired. Our business expanded and we were more profitable than we had forecast, and so we had to adjust some of the accruals for taxes to true it up with what was going on. So we had you know, some hopefully one-time higher tax rate it appears as we went through that change in the way -- as we went from having been able to just eliminate those taxes against the shelters and not having that and then having better performance, a little higher performance than we had actually forecasted, so our accruals weren't quite right and we had to adjust…

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Okay. It was a one-time adjustment, it's not like going forward, I'm going to get surprised on the tax line.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

No, we think we are going to -- the majority of that overage that looks like an overage is a one-time deal that we don't think we will see that again.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Okay.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

And you know, we will do some things now that we got a better view of where we are, what the tax rates are, we will try to make some adjustments that minimize that.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

All right. And obviously in regard to ISP, you had about $484,000 hit the SG&A line, and there is going to be more going forward. So I was hoping if you could just kind of give us little guidance in what to expect for Q2. Do you anticipate maybe all of it finishing in Q2? Once again, I assume that an acquisition will go through. So, I just wanted to get a feel for what to expect in Q2 at least on any extra expenses from ISP.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Well, I think we will have some -- I'm not quite sure we are prepared to say exactly how much, but the balance of what we have to do that we have to run through the P&L has been done. I mean, most of the audits, lot of the legal fees, all of those kinds of things you know, we've just paid for those. As we go forward, the bigger expense will be associated with the capital raise, but that will be more of a balance sheet item and be netted against the proceeds. So, I think -- you know, I don't think we are going to see a big ahead, but there will still be some expenses as we do some integration, and we finished off the transaction.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Okay. And I wanted to pinpoint the infrared product sales, not only this quarter, but all of last year, both on revenue and a unit -- per unit, it's grown over 40% which is significant, very significant. So I was just trying to crack down on what you believe might be driving continued growth of the IR products going forward? And then isn't even including ISP, just to get your core IR products, what are we looking at for the strongest growth in this area?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Well, I think we've had great success in the safety and equipment area, particularly with smaller or personalized firefighting, our thermal sensing cameras for firefighters and policemen and those kinds of things got designed into some of those products and that has been one of the main drivers of that growth. So what the overall larger picture is what we see happening in the infrared market is the continued commercialization of this technology as the cost of both the sensors and the size of the sensors continues to decline, or get smaller, so that's driving the overall cost of the components of these -- the imaging devices down, and so that become more affordable and therefore you know, as we cross those cost barriers, more and more commercial applications become viable. I think as we mentioned the senor market, for things like building management where you run in lighting or HVAC, or those kinds of things with sensors, automotive type applications will be coming online as the number of sensors in an automobile increases that do driver awareness, you know, buying spot detection, position detection, all of those kinds of things, with the autonomous car becomes maybe a reality, those kinds of things are expanding that growth. So I think we are really excited about this sensor technology, this collaboration we did with ULIS is a very good example of what's going on as you see these sensor companies moving into these markets and they are seeing the same things that we've seen. So I think we have positioned ourselves quite well to continue that growth factor, and the molded process with the [indiscernible] material system offers a volume type production process with the repeatable process at a lower cost. And so, it fits right into that trend that's going on in the infrared technology.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Okay. I mean obviously the first quarter was -- I don't know on unit growth, but 40% I believe it showed up as a revenue growth and this is coming up of last year. You believe you can keep that kind of rate into 2017 on the IR line 40%, and once again not including ISP because that's a big jump right there?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Well, I think the growth rate is going to continue to be substantial. I think the rate -- the percentage rate may come down as the base gross. I mean that's -- we have been coming off a relatively small base, but we see the opportunity to grow in the high-20s to the mid-30s, maybe even to the 40% range, looking at where we are seeing going forward. So I think that's very encouraging, and then we see some opportunities to enhance that with the ISP acquisition with some of the synergies we can do by perhaps the combining molded technology with turn technology and offering even some of the other applications that we weren't able to address with only in molded product and provide that value to those customers. So we think that's going to be a big synergy going forward, and there are some real good opportunities that we see where you combine these technologies and those capabilities. And so we are really excited about that looking forward.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Oh, good to hear. And actually a question for Dorothy, and forgive me I have to look through the proxy statement and the registration statement, but in regard to goodwill with this acquisition of ISP, could you give us the number of what you expect goodwill to be?

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Yes, that's actually within the -- in the proxy statements it was filed with…

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Oh okay, forgive then if I missed that there, I could check it out there, I just wanted…

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

It's 2.2 million.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

How much was that?

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

2.2 million.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

2.2 million, okay.

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

As of June 30.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

And looking at the pro forma statements which shows ISP basically boosting your rev and this is a static number by 71% going on the 2016 numbers I believe. So, while net income is going to increase roughly half that rate, so roughly about a 35% increase in net income, 71% I noticed, so I'm just going to ask you be in the top line looks like it's growing or the rate is higher than the bottom line growth, do you see that there is any cost in ISP that you might be able to reduce that can actually flow through to the bottom line?

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Well, there is some that we have identified in the pro forma and that we are basically cost at ISP had that we were related to their sale, that they had hired some consultants to help with that process.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Okay. So, some -- what the pro forma has that's looking at what you anticipate obviously from a static point on June 30, showing that kind of wash you see at 34%-35% increase in your bottom line from this acquisition. And actually you know, one more question if I could, I know you filed the registration statement for up to 8 million shares, could you give us an idea of how much of a note you would need being that your cash balance is up right now? I know in the press release I think you had about the remainder which was 6 million, but what do you think you are actually going to require for that? And could you share any terms of that right now, what the terms of the note might be?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Well, I think it's a little early to try and play that game since there are so many variable remaining. It depends on when we go to market how well it's received, what the prices of the shares are going to be to how many shares we need to issue. So that's going to be a real variable. I mean, we have arranged for a bank debt and what we are going to try and do is balance the dilution created by issuing shares against the debt cost and try to come with the best combination that we can, John. So, rather than speculated what that's going to be, I think we just got to wait and see how that works out and dependent on how the market receives it and what price we're able to get, I think that's -- you could come up with 150 or an infinite number of solutions there, I think.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Understood it, understood it.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

We are going to try and balance it out, so that it's fair as we can do.

John Nobile

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

All right, understood. Well, that's all I have. Thanks for taking my questions.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Appreciate it, thanks John.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question will be from [indiscernible] Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello. Congratulations for a great quarter, especially for revenue growth.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And so, I wanted to just ask for some of that cost that you listed. Now I understand that the additional stock compensation costs were one-time only related to that designation. Would you say that the travel costs and the legal and accounting costs, were they kind of also unusual related to the ISP acquisition?

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

No, because we -- any costs that are related to the ISP acquisition, we segregated separately and reported as that $484,000 number.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. So, your business in general requires more traveling and legal and accounting expenses…

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Well, I mean we've had -- we put quite a push on the sales side. So we have announced some reorganization of our sales force and that kind of stuff and those people are getting out in the field more, making more contact with the customers, which is part of why we are having some success with generating the higher revenue. So there is additional cost there over what we have historically done from a travel point of view. The legal costs, it just depends on what's required.

Dorothy Cipolla

Analyst · Taglich Brothers. Please go ahead

Yes, and some of that has to deal with the training of when the invoices are received for the annual audit this year compared to last year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. I mean it's completely understandable that you need some [indiscernible] for higher revenues. Now, regarding the backlog, you said that some orders, some expected orders got pushed into next quarter, which is the currently ongoing quarter. Have you received those orders yet?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Some of them, I think we still anticipate some more, but we think we are going to see pretty good recovery of backlog based on what we anticipate coming, but the other factor that's in there is we have increased our capability and reduced our time to turn orders, which I think is a good thing from a customer point of view. So that backlog get driven down a little bit as what we book and ship within the same quarter, so it doesn't reside in the backlog. I'd much rather have the shipments going out and sitting in the backlog if I can do it. So I think those two factors are what really contributed to that dip in the backlog that we saw this quarter -- this past quarter.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So, would you say that your backlog was kind of sub ultimately high before because you have grown service customers…

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Well, we have been through towers servicing the customers, so that's taking a data little bit, yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. And regarding ISP, is there anything you can tell us about the way ISP's business is going, what's the latest [indiscernible] are they -- what kind of growth are they experiencing since last time you told us about them?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Well, I think what we see so far is that they are hitting the types of growth numbers that they forecasted. When we took a look at and did our evaluations, so we are pleased with that. So margins as they are typical in this business have been slightly lower than they were the previous year, but I think that's more related to just the mix of the type of product and the material content that's required. So I don't see anything in there that the servicing, I see the kind of growth that we anticipated. And so we're very comfortable with what we see going on so far.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And again what is the growth that you forecast?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

That was relatively - the growth was -- I mean, they have been exceeding it, but historically they have grown their business 7% to 8% a year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And currently they are slightly exceeding it, okay. And you talked a lot about your success with different fields, but did you hear anything about medical, is there anything happening with medical with those under scopes?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

That business is still in development. So we didn't have any like tremendous growth associated with it, although in some of the other areas of our traditional business, some of the medical applications had been continuing. So we see that kind of thing, but the under scope business is still prior well developing and with the start up of that type of disposable and discope [ph]. So we are not seeing anything too exciting in this past quarter that -- related to that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. And on the offering, do you have any kind of time period just to when we should expect it?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Very soon, I mean we have said that we want to try and close this deal in the fourth quarter. So that gives us between now and probably realistically the middle of December to be able to do that, with pretty tight time schedule, so we are coming up on it pretty quickly. We are still somewhat dependent on getting our registration statement effective, which we are waiting on the SEC to give us that green light.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And if you want to push specifics, I guess, you contacted Raymond James, right?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

It's ROTH Capital.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Once again?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

It's ROTH Capital.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Oh, ROTH Capital. Sorry. You will be offering to shareholders directly, right?

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Correct. It's all through the…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. All right, well, thank you very much again, and congratulations again for great results. That's it for me.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

Thank you for your interest, appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude the question-and-answer session. I would like to hand the conference back over to Jim Gaynor for his closing remarks.

Jim Gaynor

Analyst · Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead

All right, thank you. In conclusion, we appreciate the support of our shareholders and the dedication of our global team at LightPath. This team is expected to significantly increase upon the acquisition of ISP Optics. And with this expanded global presence, which has bolstered its scale and scope, we intend to remain focused on our efforts to drive diversified revenue and growth and continue to drive benefits from the leverage in our business as we improve our profitability and generation of cash flow. Thanks again, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.