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Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 2, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. And welcome to the LivePerson's, Third Quarter 2017 Conference Call. My name is Christy and I will be facilitating the audio portion of today’s interactive broadcast. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. For those of you on the stream, please pick with the options available in your event console. At this time I would like to turn the call over to LivePerson’s CEO and Founder, Rob LoCascio, and CFO, Dan Murphy. You may begin your conference.

Dan Murphy

Management

Thanks very much. Before we begin, please note that we will make forward-looking statements during today's call, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future results. These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions as of today, and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially due to various factors, including those described in today's earnings press release, in the comments made during this conference call, and in 10-Ks, 10-Qs, and other reports we file from time to time with the SEC. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Also, during this call we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures is included in today's earnings press release, which is available in the Investor Relations section of our website. I will now turn the meeting over to Robert LoCascio, CEO and Founder of LivePerson.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Thanks Dan, and thank you for joining LivePerson’s third quarter conference call. We are excited to announce that LivePerson returned to year-over-year revenue growth in the third quarter, which is two quarters ahead of schedule. This is a significant milestone for LivePerson and coincides with the completion of our transition to the LiveEngage platform. We are also once again raising revenue guidance for 2017. In the past year we have been highlighting the leading indicators of our return to growth. These are the enterprise wins on messaging that’s made our steady transformation of the customer care industry and made compelling metrics for LiveEngage around platform adoption, same customer usage and dollar retention. With the vast majority of our revenue on LiveEngage in the third quarter, these leading indicators of LivePerson momentum will clearly be reflected in our reported financial results. Furthermore, we demonstrated continued traction with additional market penetration and strong platform metrics. Several key customer wins in the third quarter characterized the momentum we are seeing. We signed a seven figure three year deal with one of the top three diversified insurance firms in the U.S., as leading brand is deploying LiveEngage enterprise wide to place it in an competitive solution form a large ERP vendor. The company chose LiveEngage as one of our best in class digital customer experience that better competes with the new generation of online insurance providers. We also won our first few lines of business at a Fortune 100 financial services institution that ranks as one of the top investment banks in the world. After only a four months sales cycle, we closed a six figure two year deal. The rapid selection process is a testament to our position as an industry leader, as we clearly demonstrate our unique expertise and superior capabilities of…

Dan Murphy

Management

Thanks Rob. I want to share my appreciation for the amazing opportunities that LivePerson has presented these past six years. As I look forward to new challenges, I am confident that I am leaving LivePerson with a solid foundation for continued successes. LivePerson’s transition to LiveEngage is complete. We are growing again and we’ve established a leading position in the greenfield market with anomies potential. This is the perfect time to pass on the baton to someone who will see the company through the next chapter. I’ll be working with alongside Rob, the board and our finance team to effect a normal transition. I want to thank Rob, all our employees, our customers, our investors and our analysts. This has been a tremendously rewarding experience. Taking a look into third quarter, we once again demonstrated solid execution. Our new focus on selling, along with solid adoption trends for LiveEngage helped us return to year-over-year growth earlier than we previously anticipated. LivePerson revenue exceeded our guidance for the third quarter and we are once again raising out 2017 outlook. We continue to gain market share in messaging and AI with key wins across our target list of customers and prospects. Trailing 12 months average revenue for enterprise and mid market customer set, a new record upgraded to 215,000 from approximately 205,000 reported in the second quarter. We successfully completed our transition to LiveEngage as we guided at the start of 2017. I’ll now review our third quarter operating results. Total revenue of $56.5 million was above our guidance range and consistent of B2B revenue of $52.1 million and consumer revenue of $4.4 million. In the quarter we delivered $1.5 million of revenue upside versus our issued guidance range of $54 million to $55 million. Similar to the second quarter approximately $1…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Richard Baldry of ROTH Capital.

Richard Baldry

Analyst

Thanks. Can you talk about any vertical market particular strength your seeing for LiveEngage on the messaging side? It seemed like as a percent of your contribution, the tech was at 8% is below what I would have thought. I would have thought they had been earlier adopters, so maybe if you can go over that. And then also, what do you think the usage impact in the fourth quarter? I know historically on the prior platform usage you know it really drove incremental revenues in the fourth quarter due to holiday seasonality. Is that similar under the newer model and how should we think about that? Thanks.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Well on the vertical side, the big verticals that we’re going after is Telco Banking and broadband providers and some travel. So in Telco we got basically the leaders, the leading Telco, we chose areas or countries around the world. They were the first to go live too. They could see those messaging and how it’s being used on device with their consumers and now banking has followed and then you’ve got broadband providers in each area. So its following along what we previously did and there is some retail also now that’s coming, but those are the biggest areas that we have in messaging today, because strategically they’ve got the largest contact centers and they have the biggest expense when it comes to matching voice calls. On average Telco could spend over $1 billion a year on phone calls. So that’s where the real paying point is and that’s where we’re focused on attacking.

Dan Murphy

Management

So then Rich, on the second part of your question just around the usage portion, you know we had the benefit of the PFP being pulled forward into Q3 and what we’ve historically seen in previous years on the legacy platform is that usage would increase in the fourth quarter and specifically around PFP and drive some additional revenue. The fact that we were able to pull some forward is a positive step in the right direction and the second thing for the business model that you’re seeing used days, that increase in usage does come through the P&L and you see it in our bookings number driving and continuing to drive our increase in recuing revenue, so is the two component that we expect and we gave the guidance for Q4.

Richard Baldry

Analyst

And last thing will be, you have pulled your cost down year-over-year. It’s kind of some set at the legacy platform. Should we look at Q3 as really setting a floor now that you know from here forward to support your growth in LiveEngage that the expenses will growth sort of with the top line or given there is a stub restructuring cost in the fourth quarter, it’s a really one more level down as we exit the year and then sort of see our way higher again in 2018. Thanks.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Yeah, it’s a good question. From our perspective you know we’ve taken some of the upside in revenue so far this year and invested it back in the business, specifically in partnerships and around AI and bots and adding more development resources to fill out the product roadmap. So as we move forward – and customer events, sorry, and investing in customer events. So as we move forward into 2018, you know our goal is to continue to drive top line growth and so we’ll continue to invest in the business and those strategic areas that will help us drive that top line growth.

Richard Baldry

Analyst

Thanks, and good luck Dan.

Dan Murphy

Management

Thanks Rich.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Koji Ikeda.

Koji Ikeda

Analyst

Hi, I just want to say congrats on the retirement news Dan and wish you well in your next adventure and thank you for taking my questions. I just got a big picture question for Rob or Dan. Do you think the enterprises out there have a full grasp on really how to engage the millennials and now it’s just really a question of technology execution, and do you think you know – there is such a big focus on millennials right now, but to really think about it, Generation Z is coming up pretty quickly right behind them. I mean does this generation you know in your experience have a different set of demands, even from the millennials that enterprises are going to have to think about.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Yeah, so the millennial population which is now the largest segment in the U.S., I think its 75 million or 78 million people. The baby boomers now as of last year are reducing in size and basically the influence of this group, because they also have buying power is significant. So when we look at how they are communicating with each other, even beyond millennials, but they are engaging and messaging; they engaging in content in a different way. The obviously engage in retail in a different way and we see that with how the impact on the retail world we live in. They are not going to big box retailers. So that’s been influencing us for a while. Now what’s happened is that they have buying power and significant buying power and that’s making the brands to space off to them in a different way and that’s why our platform is sort of instrumental in our digital transformation. So we’re not starting a channel communication, we’re starting a way to connect with consumers in a certain way that they are doing in their normal lives. So I think they have such a tremendous influence today and we see it when we’re with our businesses, our customers. They definitely obviously have been influencing them for many years and there’s change that’s got to happen in order to service that group of consumers.

Koji Ikeda

Analyst

Got it, and maybe a question for Dan. Looking at your trailing 12 month ARPU here, thinking at about $215,000 in the quarter, it’s been ticking up here in the past. It looks like six, seven quarters and I guess you know this is one of the biggest jobs that we’ve seen in a while. I mean what are some of the levers that are playing into that growth? Is it more from bigger customers signing on a platform or are you seeing a better monetization of the installed base or is it really just a healthy mix of both?

Dan Murphy

Management

I think it’s a healthy mix of both. I mean as you talked about the our strategy is to go after the large enterprise customers and really you know they’ve got access to a lot of consumers and they got access to big care centers and you’ve got to improve their CSAT scores and customer satisfaction. So I think it’s a combination of the two and you know we’re happy that the trailing 12 month metric is going in the right direction, its excited to see.

Koji Ikeda

Analyst

Congrats again on the news Dan and thanks for taking my questions.

Dan Murphy

Management

Thanks Koji, I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Jeff Van Rhee.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst

Great, thanks. Congrats guys. The numbers look really good; great growth there. I guess several questions. First, with respect to bookings, I know you don’t provide a number, but can you characterize bookings this quarter maybe versus the last quarter, the last few quarters. What stands out? Did you see notable acceleration in the bookings? We can see a little bit on the ARPU side, but any color on bookings?

Dan Murphy

Management

Yeah, I mean from our perspective Jeff they’ve been where we expected them to be if not slightly higher. As you can see in your current memory, some of that is from – in the second quarter is from better than expected bookings in the third quarter, you know from our current run rate perspective, less than expected attrition related to migrating customers over. So our goal is still the same, as we stated before, we’re going after the large enterprise customers and we think there’s a big opportunity there and you can see that in our ARPU starting to pick up in the right direction.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst

And as you think about ’18, should we assume that all revenue upside goes back into the business. So namely don’t count on leverage, but also don’t assume or see scenarios where maybe the margin comes down. Just a little more color on margins if you would.

Dan Murphy

Management

So a good question. We’re not giving the direction for 2018, but I think in 2017 we’ve taken our dollars and put them back into the customer events and as Rob stated in his prepared remarks, you know those customer events have been strong from a pipeline perspective, as well of you know helping us with bookings, and many of the ideas that are closed have been related to those customer events and they are high end events focused on senior level of executives at these large enterprises. So we continue to invest in those and you know as I said over the mark of March 3 you‘ll get a very strong product roadmap and we’ll continue to invest in the products as we continue to lead the market we have a LiveEngage and messaging in AI and bot.

Rob LoCascio

Management

On the product side Jeff when we go live with the customer, we see very quickly anywhere from 20 to 40 product requests. So the product, there is so much more to do with it, even though there is a lot to probably just build it. But we’re learning so much and so we still need to build a tremendous amount around the platform to allow us to scale. And as we talked about this Telco that held the event in Edinburgh, you know they are a recent customer and we are going to get 30% out of their IVR. A lot of that’s – because there’s a year’s worth of product roadmap that came from you know sorting out, going live a year ago with our first customers. So we’ll continue to invest in that as we accelerate growth and get more customers in the end and satisfy their needs.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst

Got it, and Dan you referenced one-time revenue this quarter and last quarter. Just a quick recap of what that was?

Dan Murphy

Management

Yeah, so the increase from revenue this quarter was approximately $1 million of non-recurring, with a PSP customer that’s fast forwarded some of the spend into Q3. So we did this and a similar spend in Q3.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst

And last quarter the pull forward was?

Dan Murphy

Management

Last quarter we had a portion related to professional services and then we had some related to customers that went into overage on their billing contracts.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst

Okay, great. And one last one just on sales; thoughts at this point are on two lines. One, any preliminary thoughts around sales hiring for ’18 and second, you know you’ve been in outbound sales mode now for enough time to have some semblance of productivity and ramp, if you could give some color there?

Dan Murphy

Management

Yeah we are – I mean right now we have a – our sales team is pretty focused on a very finite group of customers. So we’ll probably add obviously more people, because there will be more demand, but we have the group we need size wise to go after this group of enterprises that can just change the game. And as I think I said before, I believe our customers could be $10 million, $15 million, $20 million, they could be $40 million at scale a year if we’re doing the work we’re doing today and so we’re keeping at a very finite group. You know our top sales guys were making over $1 million a year and so we want to keep this very, very expert based you know high end sales group that’s going out and doing these big deals and they are very strategic. So that’s come in low. And the second question…

Rob LoCascio

Management

Outbound sales mode.

Dan Murphy

Management

Outbound sales mode is so from an outbound perspective, Jeff your right. We’ve been going through this year and we refocused our sales guys on selling again. 2016 just to refresh a bit of this memory, we focused on – and their compensation on migration in 2017, we focused them back on selling through the customers. That being said, we reported some customers had to go through the migration. So as we end 2018 and as Rob talked about, we got the high end sales group focused on enterprise customers and there is some capacity in that group and we will continue to leverage that capacity as we move into 2018 and they are necessary to have the right skill set to sell to those enterprise level customers.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst

Great. Okay thanks so much. Best of luck Dan.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Mark Schappel.

Mark Schappel

Analyst

Hi, good evening. Congrats on the quarter, and Dan congratulations on your retirement. Rob just starting with you on your customer submits, they appear to be very successful. What can we expect with respect to future events in the next six months or so?

Dan Murphy

Management

We are doing about one a quarter, the big one and then we’ve got some small ones in-between. So we are going to continue on that path. There may be some more next year. I mean we are working through a plan as we speak, but you know eventually that is about 100, 120 people about 70 brands shop up. We actually do it, we host them at a customer site. So we are next to our customer site, so the customer can showoff what they have been, but they are very high end and they are very focused on, I think taking a very C-level group of people though an experience. So they can understand how they can do transformation. But we’ll probably accelerate the marketing from where we are because we’ve gotten great results from it.

Mark Schappel

Analyst

Great, thank you and then your auto vertical if I recall correctly is down about 12% this quarter and that kind of brings up contact at once. I was wondering, with respect to that business or product where does that fit or not fit within the broader LiveEngage migration?

Rob LoCascio

Management

I mean they do messaging and there is some exciting stuff happening there. We just launched a direct from manufacture to consumer messaging to sell cars. This took place about four weeks ago. Normally when you buy a car you are connecting with a deal, but we’ve launched for the first time direct manufacture to consumer messaging and we started to sell. So I think there is a lot of stuff there. We are going to bring the businesses together now. So they contacted once, but we’ve just had a lot of small deals in new markets and that’s got the large manufacturers. We are going to put that together closer with our SMB business, because it’s got to overlap and put a single leader on that group. So we are going to take advantage of what we see as two pieces that could come together today. But I expect a lot of good stuff from them in the upcoming months. Once again, they kind of shifted a little bit into seeing if they could go after these very large deals with the manufactures as we just went live. We got preliminary results that look pretty good. Nothing to really talk about in detail, but we should see more enterprise type deals coming out and then we’ll supplement that with the small business in the dealership segment.

Mark Schappel

Analyst

Great, thank you.

Rob LoCascio

Management

You got it, thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Mike Latimore.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Great thanks. You mentioned pay for performance. What percent of revenue is that now?

Rob LoCascio

Management

Yes, it’s in the high single digits Mike. So in that 8% to 9% range.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

And then on the revenue retention, you know it continues to very strong. To what percent of total revenue would that apply with?

Rob LoCascio

Management

If you are talking about the metric on LiveEngage, it’s about a 100% greater than.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Yeah.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Great than 100% on customers on LiveEngage.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Yeah.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Yeah Mike, so we don’t actually break out the revenues specifically on LiveEngage. We just talked about 95% of our revenue being on the LiveEngage platform as of the end of migration. So you know from our perspective, Q3 of last year when we are comparing that retention rate, we had a good number of customers on the LiveEngage platform. So though we are comparing it with Q2 where maybe there was less customers, in Q3 there is significantly more customers especially enterprise and good market customers. So we’ve got a good volume of customers that we can make that comparison to.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

And then on the seven figure deal, did you say that was replacing the ERP systems?

Rob LoCascio

Management

Yeah, one of the big you know Oracles of the world that we kind of put it under that category, and so we replaced one of their, one their implementations with messaging.

Dan Murphy

Management

They have Chat, Legacy Chat from Write-On Technologies and they are replacing legacy chat systems with messaging.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Okay, and then was that a – was that seven figure per year or more just over three years or whatever.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Over three years.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Great, thank you.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Okay, thanks Mike.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Peter Levine.

Peter Levine

Analyst

Great, thanks guys for talking my question. Most of them has been answered, so I guess just stepping on the sales. With this new strategy can you maybe quantify changes to the pipeline sales cycle if you are willing to maybe breaking out the bookings percentage of those booking now as enterprise?

Rob LoCascio

Management

Yeah so we don’t break out the bookings between enterprise and mid-market, but historically our books have been 75% to existing customers and 25% to 30% to new customers and I can tell you that that’s been pretty consistent from quarter-to-quarter. As far as pipeline is concern, one of the goals of our investments in these customer events and customer summits is around growing that pipeline. So these aren’t meetings or events, sorry customer summits just for existing customers, they are also for prospects and its very valuable for those prospects to have the opportunity to talk to existing customers about how they think about the world, some of the hurdles that they had to go through in their business to go live on messaging or AI or bots, but it’s been helpful in building the pipeline and its definitely been helpful in closing customer contracts.

Peter Levine

Analyst

Then with – I know the migration came to an end. Can you talk about any new areas, product areas that you are focused on maybe for the product roadmap or your M&A appetite entering ’18.

Dan Murphy

Management

I mean on the cognitive side of what we call bots, in reality it’s the automation, is where we have a lot of focus. You know there is two types of agents, there is an automated agent and a live agent and so we have a lot of focus on building those things. So there are pieces of the technology that we built like a greeter bots, concierge bots, agent assist bots and we are using teams like Watson and other bot makers for some basic NOU, NOP processing. I think we are included in those areas, because I think its part of our core strategy, its provide an agent, so we manage agent supply. We don’t supply the live agents. Our customers really manage them, but the bot is something we can actually manage and own on our platform and every implementation on messaging now is going out with automation in it. So that’s an important key aspect. And after a year of doing this, we’ve kind of demystified what AI is in our world, in the care world and how it works and you implement it and how you get by – customers have 60% containment of questions of intents that will contain in messaging and never go out to a voice call. So we’ve kind of figured it out for our world and demystified it and we know what we need. So we are spending a fair amount of time there. We are also spending a fair amount of time on things around operations and scale, because we are talking about thousands of agents and bots that run on our platform and the third big part is we built an ecosystem where other technology providers can get into our platform and implement their technologies in there around bots AI, other types of messaging units like video, voice and we so need to build out a better way to service those small startups and put them in our secure environment, so they can scale with our customers. One of the things that we are seeing is that our customers, they want to write one check to one company to get their bots and their live agents and I think that’s an opportunity that kind of they’ve been approached by many companies around all these different bots and AI technologies. They have been playing with a lot of it. A lot of it was a lack of success. But I believe there is an opportunity just to get one single check that we have applied from that live and we bring that technology to the game and that’s a big opportunity going into 2018.

Peter Levine

Analyst

This one is for Dan. I’m not sure how far along you are in your assessment of implementing ASC 606 for next year, but I don’t know, maybe if you can give us some highlights of what you think the impact and model will look like. Thanks?

Dan Murphy

Management

First of all, thanks for joining the call and I appreciate it. I know this is your first call. So on 606, we have been going through the process of looking at 606 and from a revenue recognition standpoint. We are still going through with our auditors. I don’t think it will have an impact or minimal impact if any. But we are still going through that assessment and have done so with the audit committee and a lot of this, but I don’t expect any major impact.

Peter Levine

Analyst

Great, I appreciate it.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

There are no audio questions at this time.

Rob LoCascio

Management

Okay, thank you for joining us on the Q3, 2017 call and we will see you next quarter.

Dan Murphy

Management

Thanks everybody.

Operator

Operator

Thank you all for your participation. This concludes today’s conference call. You may all now disconnect.