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Live Oak Bancshares, Inc. (LOB)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 26, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Live Oak Bancshares, Inc. Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Greg Seward, General Counsel of Live Oak Bancshares. Sir, you may begin.

Greg Seward

Analyst

Thank you and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Live Oak's fourth quarter 2016 earnings conference call. We are webcasting live over the internet, and this call is being recorded. To access the call over the Internet and review the presentation materials that we will reference on the call, please visit our website at investor.LiveOakBank.com and follow the links from there. Our fourth quarter earnings release is also available on our website. Before we get started, I would like to caution you that we may make forward-looking statements during today's call that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations are detailed in the materials accompanying this call and in our SEC filings. We do not undertake to update the forward-looking statements to reflect the impact of circumstances or events that may arise after the date of today's call. Information about any non-GAAP financial measures referenced, including reconciliation of those measures to GAAP measures, can also be found in our SEC filings. I will now turn the call over to Chip Mahan, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

Chip Mahan

Analyst

Thanks Greg. We are going to go through a couple of slides this morning. I will start on the slide that say, what we are excited about. And let me tell you what I'm excited about. Let me unpack this for you, it's not only 2016, it's really what's happened over the past couple of years. So, in 2014, we did about $850 million worth of originations, we are in the origination business issue. We did a $1.537 billion, so we almost doubled originations last couple of years. Net interest income almost tripled from $15 million to $43 million. Servicing revenue last 24 months was up 60% from $13 million to $21 million, so recurring revenue over doubled from $28 million to $64 million, while our net gain on sale dollars were up 50% from $50 million to $75 million. So our core business, net recurring revenue plus gain on sale dollars almost doubled from $78 million to about $140 million. Now let's look at expenses. I have taken out of expenses non-operating stuff like non-recurring executive comp, a loss of about $1.5 million on an airplane, and so you can see if you look at just the core earnings of the business, the past 24 months, we're up 64% from about $28 million to about $46 million. I'm really excited about that. It should not be lost on those on the call that at 12/31/2016 we had about $100 million of fully-funded government guaranteed loans on book, that is a 20% risk-weighted asset and further diversification of the model and creating more recurring revenue. I am now moving to the slide that says renewable energy. I want to talk about that as we did on the last call, but just a minute before we go back to the operating…

Neil Underwood

Analyst

Thanks Chip. Quick deposits update for you. I'll be referencing the slide titled robust new deposits generation. We closed up the year very strong over $500 million in net new deposits and a blended cost of funds of 113 basis points. Most notably, in Q4 we released our new deposits platform to production. As December of last year, all net new deposit customers are now enrolling online and with the new technology. We will continue to launch additional services to production from pilot throughout the first half of the year, including API-enabled features, such as business money market and business checking. Brett, over to you.

Brett Caines

Analyst

Thanks Neil, and thanks everyone that's dialed in this morning. You may recall in the third quarter earnings call, we had now a record setting quarter for loan origination of $381 million. We are very excited that we set a new record in the fourth quarter of $515 million, a 35% increase over third quarter 2016 and a 56% increase ever fourth quarter 2015. As Chip referenced, this linked quarter growth was driven largely by entrance into the renewable energy space with the utilization of the USDA loans program for solar farms. For the quarter, our recent decision to reduce volatility and create more predictable and longer term revenue streams by retaining more loans in the balance sheet was once again on display. Our recurring revenue sources of net interest income and servicing revenue increased to $18 million, a 40% increase over the same quarter a year ago. The net interest income component of our recurring revenue stream for the fourth quarter increased $4 million from the same quarter one year ago to $12.4 million, a 46% increase. This increase was driven by a significant growth in total loans of 71% over the fourth quarter of 2015, to a yearend amount of $1.3 billion, but revenue growth from increase loan balances was mitigated by the yield on loans in our renewable energy vertical, which is substantially lower than our historical and other new vertical. Of the $1.3 billion in loans just under 67% is represented by the unguaranteed portions of SBA loans and conventional loans, not too dissimilar from the mix at yearend 2015. Our net interest margin declined to 3.08% in the fourth quarter largely due to the growth in renewable energy loans which typically carry a lower rate. Cash balances normalized in the latter part of the fourth…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Aaron Deer with Sandler O'Neill & Partners. Your line is now open.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

Hey good morning everyone. Chip you mentioned with the solar that is part of your interest in getting into the business was the expansion of tax credit. How long is the extension on that, and is there any risk that that could be eliminated by executive order?

Chip Mahan

Analyst

You know that's a really good question, and I asked that myself yesterday and I was yet to have the answer. The answer to your first question is 2021, and I do not know whether it's an act of Congress or an executive order, that fact it would go away. We should research that.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

Then on the gain on sales, I was wondering, Brett maybe if you could give us kind of a breakout in terms of what the premiums were in the quarter between the USDA versus what premiums were on the SBA and if there were any other factors just in terms of the secondary market demand or the types of loans that were sold in a quarter that changed from prior quarters, just some of the different moving parts that were in there?

Brett Caines

Analyst

Sure. So, UDSA loans have originated in the renewable energy vertical. Those – that gain on sale was in the low 50s, between 50,000 and 55,000 for every million that was sold. And those loans, they typically get a lower rate and they are also for the most part five year adjustable, or as we call them internally fake five [ph]. Also the USDA market, secondary market is quite a bit smaller than the 7(a) secondary market, so size also impacts the premiums as we want to receive. The 7(a) secondary market, the average gain on sale there was in the mid to high 90s, so slight drop from Q3 above was higher than Q4 of 2015. There, for the most part, there is – in the fourth quarter of any year and then especially in December of any year, premiums do go down towards year end. We did have a lot of sales that occurred in December. I think that is part of the reason that 7(a) loans were in the mid to high-90s rather than low-100 that we had been seeing. Related to the rate increase that occurred in December, for the most part heading into December, anyway maybe early in Q4, we did so like people started adjusting or buyer starting adjusting a little bit for that that, fed move. So we think all that played into the premiums we saw in Q4.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

Then with respect to the tax credit investments, Could you give – it sounds like you gave a number with respect to maybe what the amortization or the operating cost of that's going to be in 2016 or in 2017 as well as the tax benefit that you might expect to realize that might still be available too?

Chip Mahan

Analyst

So I think there is a little confusion there. I think what you were saying was, that the renewable energy lending division is very efficient in terms of number of folks generating high quality paper. That's the lending division. The sub at the holding company that's in – we are going to actually lease panels is something entirely different. But we also think that will be very efficient from non-efficiency standpoint.

Brett Caines

Analyst

But I think Aaron, were you referencing the investment type credit that we…

Aaron Deer

Analyst

Yes.

Brett Caines

Analyst

Net of the $0.06 per share? Yes. So, the tax benefit on that has been realized. It was realized in Q4. There is an additional expense that we will take in 2017 and throughout the – for the full year that expense totals, is roughly in the $650,000 to $660,000 range. We have not yet determined how that will be spread out over 2017. We have two different accounting approaches that we're looking at, could be that a large amount was taken in Q1 and then smaller amount in Q2, Q3, Q4, or it could be – but it's a relatively small amount in the scheme of things.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

And do you anticipate, spinning any more of these tax advantage strategies?

Brett Caines

Analyst

Not right now, not of this type. We felt like it was a good endeavor or good thing to do in Q4 as it rounds out a lot of our thinking in the renewable energy space, but…

Chip Mahan

Analyst

We won't need to, because the leasing company is going to do fine.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

Thanks for taking my questions. I'll get back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jennifer Demba of SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

Thank you good morning. Two questions, first, Chip have you, has Live Oak gotten any benefit from the reputational damage at Wells over the last several months? Can you see the tangible benefit there on the SBA 7(a).

Chip Mahan

Analyst

No. I would say no. I mean you know Wells is the number one SBA lender in the country, we're two. I don't think it's highly likely that we will pass them in the not too distant future, but… No, their business model is for their SBA lenders to healthy input print lender so to speak, so very different from the theory of verticality that we adopted. So, I really don't see anything. Neil, do you?

Neil Underwood

Analyst

Hey Jennifer, no, I really don't. I think any of the growth that you see is based upon all of our organic endeavors and really hadn't seen us fight to that market situation.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

Okay. And second question, in terms of the newer verdict, you've given us some loans origination guidance for 2017. How do you think the mix of loans is going to change versus – by vertical versus last year?

Chip Mahan

Analyst

You know I think that the new guys are at cruise altitude so to speak. So, I see them remaining in that area of $1 billion, maybe a bit more as we say last year. And as we look at the newer folks, you know as I said, you know can they get to $1 billion? Maybe, you know I don't know how to really handicap that, but you know some of those folks are doing better than others, and there is some cyclicality in our business. Couple of years ago in the chicken business we did almost $400 million and you know in 2017 that number is going to be substantially less than that. We always get our share, but that is a highly cyclical business. I don't know, Neil, you got anything to add to that?

Neil Underwood

Analyst

No, it's tough. I get your question, it's a good one. At some point in time maybe we look at a vintage type scenario, but for now we haven't done an analysis on a vertical by vertical basis of it, but the difference is – but Chip's point is, when you are in 15 verticals or growing – and growing, you've got pretty good diversities. You can take advantage of being cyclical over here by adding to some of our verticals are actually growing pretty significantly as well. And it derisks the numbers that we provided in the growth.

Chip Mahan

Analyst

And I think just on that, I forgot to mention this, just real quick is, we paused, because I think we needed the pause after we started four or five new verticals and we're going to step our foot back on the gas this year and looking at two plus verticals, one of which we've already decided which is early development child care. There are many SBA lenders in that space, but there is no body as good as we are in terms of speed and taking care of the customers. So, we're pretty excited about that business.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

Can I ask one more question?

Chip Mahan

Analyst

Sure.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

So you sold an aircraft, did you replace that?

Chip Mahan

Analyst

We are in the process of doing that. We intend to keep – we're in the aviation business, we tend to keep three planes in the air totaling 600 hours a year. If you are making $1.8 billion in loans, so that's 150 loans a month-ish at $1 million each, and we have our folks to see every single customer and present that loan-to-loan committee.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we have showing a follow-up question from the line of Aaron Deer of Sandler O'Neill & Partners. Your line is now open.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

Thanks for taking the additional follow-up here. Question on the compensation, as you look into 2017, I guess on a core basis, we ended last year at just close to about $14 million on the run rate for comp. As you look at kind of your new hiring that you might be doing in some of the new verticals, where do you see that line going?

Chip Mahan

Analyst

Brett's thinking about it.

Brett Caines

Analyst

So, I would say with our addition of two new verticals, some of the items that we have planned, especially on the development side related to our deposit platform and further building out this end-to-end digital experience for our customers, that's deposit customers and loan customers. There will be a rise in non-interest expense. I mean well in non-interest expense and also base salaries, I'm very hesitant to give a number to guide to. I would say net of any stock compensation. You'd probably see a similar rise in base salaries as you saw from the end of 2015 to the end of 2016. We have a forecast for the number of people that – or the number of FTE that we believe that we will add in 2017, it's slightly or it's pretty much in line with what we added over the course of 2016 given some of the growth initiative that we have.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

That's helpful and then, following onto that, Neil, maybe you can talk about the deposit initiative and maybe what kind of expectation you got for the deposit inflows that that might drive here in 2017?

Neil Underwood

Analyst

You know we're going to keep a close eye on the cost of funds at 113 basis points and try to implement as we roll up, this is checking, implement that to our current customer base as well as expand it in vertical. You know, when you run the numbers, we have 4,000 growing to call it 6,000 on average account basis of 10,000 to 20,000, even still it doesn't put a dent in fully-funding the bank if you originate the $1.8 billion. So, we are looking at a channel strategy on the deposits fronts, and you probably read about some of this, where invested case study I can cite would be Silicon Valley and Stripe and you know the number of net new accounts that are opened, vis-à-vis Silicon Valley and Stripe relationship far outweigh perhaps some of the ones that are direct. So, we are – we have as of mid-last year to keep four hire sales team to go out and interact, we've got a nice pipeline, not ready to announce it yet. But in that case, and I'd actually send you to the Capital One site, they have rolled out a beta program on API banking. I'm glad that they've done it. I would like to have been first, but I'm glad they've done it, because it actually demonstrates the market a bit. So, we'll be rolling that out in the first half of the year as well.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

Good stuff. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Chip Mahan for closing remarks.

Chip Mahan

Analyst

No closing remarks. Thanks for joining everyone and talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.