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Q1 2024 Earnings Call· Fri, May 10, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Silver Spike Investment Corp. First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation there'll be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your first speaker today, Umesh Mahajan, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Umesh Mahajan

Analyst

Good morning. This is Umesh Mahajan, CFO of Silver Spike Investment Corp. With me here today is Scott Gordon, CEO of Silver Spike Investment Corp. Welcome to Silver Spike’s earnings conference call and live webcast for the first quarter ended March 31, 2024. Silver Spike’s financial results for the first quarter ended March 31, 2024 were released yesterday, and can be accessed from our website at ssic.silverspikecap.com. A replay of this call will also be available on our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements that are not based on historical facts made during this call, including any statements related to financial guidance may be deemed forward-looking statements under Federal Securities Laws. Because these forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that are important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. We encourage you to refer to our most recent SEC filings for information on some of these risk factors. Silver Spike assumes no obligation or responsibility to update any forward-looking statements. Please note that the information reported on this call speaks only as of today, May 10, 2024. Therefore, you're advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay or transcript reading. So, good morning again, and thank you all for joining the release our results yesterday along with our 10-Q and there is a management presentation deck attached to the 8-K that was filed and made available this morning. Those who have joined us on this earnings webcast should also see a link to the slides that we will use for our discussion today. We may refer to the slides by numbers for your reference. I'll cover the presentation slides and then turn…

Scott Gordon

Analyst

Thanks, Umesh. Just wanted to take a minute and talk about the big industry news of late, which has been the apparent approval by the DEA of the HHS's recommendation to reschedule cannabis. This has been a widely anticipated move since the HHS announcement last year. The process timeline, however, is uncertain and could take up to several years to complete if met with challenges seeking judicial review and/or administrative hearings. The change, however, would have a major impact on company cash flows through the elimination of the 280E tax effect. While we view the news as positive, like all legislative initiatives in the cannabis realm, the devil remains in the detail around both timing and implementation. Given the myriad of ambiguities with respect to that, we believe that the current dynamic of capital constraints in the industry will be largely unchanged. Nor do we extrapolate anything further on the regulatory front because of the rescheduling process. SAFER Act and other pending pieces of reform will muddle as usual and continue to be subject to all of the same vagaries and obstacles that have been present for some time. As such, we take a mildly optimistic view of the news and maintain some hope that perhaps this time is different. On balance, it's clearly a step in the right direction. With that, I'll pass it back to Umesh.

Umesh Mahajan

Analyst

Thank you, Scott. That's all we had in terms of prepared remarks. We can take questions. Is there anything, Gigi?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Lavery from Piper Sandler.

Michael Lavery

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. Regarding the transaction, can you just touch on how it's progressing and maybe if there's any regulatory review updates or just your sense of what we should expect as far as that moves along?

Umesh Mahajan

Analyst

Yes, sure. So, we have submitted a N-14 statement to the SEC for their review on April 15th. That N-14 is a document that would be used as a proxy as well as providing information on the transaction. We are expecting that process to take another month or two. It is difficult to estimate the exact time it will take for the completion of SEC's review. But following that review, we will be taking the shareholder vote. So, everything is, in terms of the ongoing process for approval, everything is going as we had anticipated. We think we should get comments from SEC on the document in short order, just to know exactly when. And we still think that we should be expecting a close on this transaction sometime at this hour [ph].

Michael Lavery

Analyst

Okay. Great. that’s helpful. And just as far as rescheduling has been sort of in the spotlight in the industry in recent days, can you give a sense of what the implications would be expected to be for you guys in particular? And just how the ramifications of that might look for you?

Umesh Mahajan

Analyst

Yes. I mean, as Scott mentioned in his remarks that there is clearly the implication of the 280E on the cannabis operators and it's an extremely positive one. So, the first impact really from our perspective is that our portfolio companies, both the companies that we have in our portfolio right now as well as the companies that are or the borrowers that are in the anticipated portfolio acquisition are going to have much better cash flows and the credit metrics are going to look different. So that's a positive. In terms of overall dynamic, the competitive dynamic for the lending industry, which we operate in, we do not think that just the announcement and even the ultimate passing of 280E is really going to change the dynamic from a supply and demand for capital for the cannabis operators. We do not expect the floodgates for capital to open up with this announcement or even with the passing of 280E. And as a result, at least over the next couple of years, we do not anticipate a significant change in either the yields or the overall competitive dynamics. And we do think that the news has led most of the cannabis players to rethink their growth plans. The industry continues to grow pretty rapidly and the operators, the good operators are definitely rethinking, revisiting their plans and then they will need the capital and we will be there to support them. So, from our perspective, we think it's a positive for our credit metrics of our book borrower companies. We think the dynamics; the competitive dynamic doesn't change for us in the near-term or definitely over the next year or two. And it's positive in the sense that the operators are getting better and are going to start talking about their growth plans in much more earnest.

Michael Lavery

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you, so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Pablo Zuanic from Zuanic & Associates.

Pablo Zuanic

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you. Look, two quick questions. One, a follow-up to the prior question. Of course, the 280E news and rescheduling is all positive, right? But does that mean that a lot of operators maybe go and way them hold [indiscernible] for now and going to engage until there's more clarity on when that implemented and on the 280E benefits? I realize that in some states, right, they may go regs, so they may need to expand, although some of them may already have capacity there. So, I'm just wondering whether we have a period maybe almost one-year where the demand side, it's weakened temporarily. I don't know if you want to comment on that. And then the second, well, let's start with that first. Thanks.

Scott Gordon

Analyst

Yes, I'll take that Pablo. Look, I think we've already seen that dynamic since the announcement, the initial announcement by HHS of the recommendation to switch to reschedule to Schedule 3. And so, this has definitely been the backdrop of the market since that announcement, whatever it was four or five months ago. And look, I think there's obviously some degree of hope and an expectation among the operators and our borrowers that this news will sort of drive down borrowing costs and kind of open the floodgate of capital into the market. As Umesh mentioned, we just don't see that. I think there are many impediments of the capital constraints in the marketplace and 280E wasn't really sort of among the major factors, the federal illegality and just the nature of the complexity of the industry, I think are the barriers of keeping capital from coming in and that's unchanged. So, I think, yes, you're right that there might be some level of companies out there that might opt to take a more sort of patient wait and see approach, with the belief that better terms are sort of coming if they do that. But I also think a lot of the companies that we speak to sort of accept the sober reality of what has been the history of disappointment on many of the legislative things that have happened in the industry, and I think if capital is available to them, they'll take it. So, a mixed bag, but yes, I can see on the margin where this might take another sort of three to six months of needing to play out for some folks who might want to stay on the sidelines. But we think ultimately, you can't wait forever and many of the operators have already been waiting for a fairly long time. So those that have real kind of expansion plans and need that growth capital, I think don't have a choice.

Pablo Zuanic

Analyst

Understood. And then just on a separate subject, in terms of the transaction structure, maybe just to clarify, obviously Chicago Atlantic, it's a group, right? And your transaction is a group, the holding company. It has nothing to do with the REIT that's a public listed vehicle. But I'm just trying to understand in terms of what's public information. Is the idea that, that becomes a bit of a sister company for you that you work together, you coordinate, I'm referring to the REIT or that's just a totally separate organization and your transaction is really with the holding company?

Umesh Mahajan

Analyst

The two are completely separate, Pablo. You're right. They're completely separate. And yes, they're separate. The REIT is a completely independent entity from the BTG.

Pablo Zuanic

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. At this time, I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Umesh Mahajan for closing remarks.

Umesh Mahajan

Analyst

Well, thank you everyone for joining us for this call. We look forward to keep giving you updates on the transaction and look forward to speaking with you again in the next earnings call. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.