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Littelfuse, Inc. (LFUS)

Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 30, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Littelfuse Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. And at this time, I would like to turn the call over to the Head of Investor Relations, David Kelley. Please proceed.

David Kelley

Management

Good morning, and welcome to the Littelfuse third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. With me today are Dave Heinzmann, President and CEO; and Meenal Sethna, Executive Vice President and CFO. Yesterday, we reported results for our third quarter, and a copy of our earnings release and slide presentation is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of today's conference call will also be available on our website. Please advance to Slide 2 for our disclaimers. Our discussions today will include forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements may involve significant risks and uncertainties. Please review yesterday's press release and our Form 10-K and 10-Q for more detail about important risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. We assume no obligation to update any of this forward-looking information. Also, our remarks today refer to non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measure is provided in our earnings release available in the Investor Relations section of our website. I will now turn the call over to Dave.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Thank you, David. Good morning, and thanks for joining us today. Let's start with highlights on Slide 4. In the third quarter, our performance was ahead of our expectations, with sales at the high-end of our guidance range and earnings exceeding our guidance range. The strength of our third quarter results are a testament to our experienced teams and our strong track record and commitment to execution. We demonstrated the resiliency of our diversified businesses through navigated an ongoing difficult environment with Agility, while driving sequentially higher profitability across our three business segments. We once again delivered strong free cash flow and our balance sheet remains well-positioned to support our long-term growth strategy. We leveraged our unique technology positioning, while partnering with our global customer base to again generate meaningful new business wins in the quarter. We also continue to benefit from robust designing activity, given our broad exposure to secular themes across our end markets. In the quarter, we saw a continuation of cautious customer ordering patterns and challenging end-market conditions. As we see these trends continuing, and given our typical observed seasonality, we expect fourth quarter sales to be sequentially lower than our third quarter levels. Beyond the current dynamic macro environment, we remain confident in our long-term growth strategy and our ability to drive top tier shareholder value seen on Slide 5. Meenal will provide additional color on our financial performance and outlook, but I want to thank our global teams for their dedication, hard work and meaningful accomplishments in the third quarter. Before diving into our specific end-market exposures and design activity, I wanted to highlight a few key market and inventory trends. Starting with passive electronics, we believe channel partner inventories have mostly returned to healthy levels, while customer design activity remains solid. In the…

Meenal Sethna

Management

Thanks, Dave. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Please turn to Slide 10 to start with details on our third quarter results. Revenue in the quarter was $567 million, down 7% versus last year in total and organically. The product line pruning actions we discussed reduced sales about 2%, in line with our expectations in the prior quarter. GAAP operating margins were 15.5%, adjusted operating margins finished at 15.9% and adjusted EBITDA margins were 21.7%, up 320 and 310 basis points sequentially. Third quarter margins benefited from sequential sales growth as well as strong associated incrementals. Foreign exchange and commodities also had an 80 basis point favorable impact to margins relative to our expectations. Third quarter GAAP diluted earnings per share was $2.32 and adjusted diluted EPS was $2.71. Our third quarter GAAP effective tax rate was 25% and adjusted effective tax rate was 24%. Our tax rate was slightly lower-than-expected due to a favorable deduction. Please turn to Slide 11 for updates on capital allocation. We continue to deliver strong cash generation year-to-date. In the quarter, operating cash flow was $80 million and we generated $65 million in free cash flow. Year-to-date, we generated $157 million in free cash flow, yielding a 103% conversion rate. We've continued to drive working capital improvements, contributing to our solid cash flow performance. We expect to deliver on our targeted 100% free cash flow conversion for the full year, aligned with our long-term goals. We ended the quarter with $630 million of cash on hand and net debt-to-EBITDA leverage of 1.6x. Given the strength of our balance sheet, we'll continue to prioritize our free cash flow for thoughtful acquisitions and we will continue to return capital to our shareholders through our dividend and periodic share buyback. In the quarter,…

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Thanks, Meenal. Our better-than-expected third quarter results are a testament to the strong execution of our global team. We believe our innovative solutions and deep customer relationships will continue to drive strong design win momentum and further position us to deliver long-term, above-market growth shown on Slide 17. Our well-positioned balance sheet and strong cash generation provide us with considerable flexibility, as we prioritize thoughtful, but disciplined acquisitions in attractive end markets. All in, we remain confident that, we are on a path to double-digits annual revenue growth through cycles. We will also maintain our unwavering focus on execution, as we remain on track to deliver meaningful long-term earnings leverage. I want to again thank our global Littelfuse team for their unwavering effort and commitment to customers. With that, I will now turn the call back to the operator for Q&A.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Luke Junk of Baird. Your line is open.

Luke Junk

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Dave, for starters, just hoping you could parse out the 4Q guidance assumption at a high level in Electronics specifically between seasonal factors and with still some weakening on the Power Semi side. And would just be interested in terms of clues as we look into maybe early next year as well through the lens of what you're seeing specifically on Power Semi orders as well? Thank you.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Sure. Thanks, Luke. We kind of have two different situations going on in the electronic segment. So we have our passives -- and I would throw in our protection semiconductor and kind of lump into that area. Where I would say is, generally, our channel partner inventories are healthy and have kind of worked through accesses there. In demand, point of sales is reasonably stable, so we see that pretty good. So we see kind of normal seasonality hitting us in that portion of the business going into the fourth quarter. And we kind of expect kind of normalization as we go into next year. On the Power Semiconductor portion of that business in that segment, as you know, it's heavily kind of geared towards the industrial applications with also some medical as well. Where we're seeing kind of maybe the bigger challenge is the slowing industrial demand really particularly out of Europe, which is a strong part of our Power Semiconductor business. So things, like, machine automation activities and things like that, that have slowed meaningfully. And so, therefore, we see that kind of pulling back, yes, maybe more than normal seasonality, because of end market demand softness there. I wish I could give you great clarity on when we see that improving out in 2025. Right now, the visibility is pretty challenging, kind of geopolitical dynamics going on. So we don't have a lot of visibility on that. At the end of the day, we kind of feel like, we're finding the bottom there in that portion of the business, and then looking for end market improvement over the course of 2025.

Luke Junk

Analyst

In terms of book-to-bill, would that suggest, I think you had said it was maybe closer to one in July, did that backslide at all in the quarter, would you say, Dave, on Power Semi?

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Yes. As we talked about in the prepared remarks, our overall Electronics book-to-bill softened a little bit as we kind of headed into Q4. What I would say, again, kind of bit of a tale of two sides of that segment. On the passives products and the protection products, it's running just slightly under one. So near parity, but just slightly under that, a little softer on the power semiconductor portion of that. Again, other than the industrial applications, we're seeing POS being reasonably stable.

Luke Junk

Analyst

Got it. And then for my follow-up, I mean, I was just hoping you could help us square the upside that we saw in Transportation and Industrial margins this quarter, just with where full year guidance implies things shaking out in the fourth quarter. Just anything temporary, in 3Q, we should be adjusting for maybe, currency impacts or whatnot? And then just kind of looking into 2025, any reason that, we shouldn't view these stronger 3Q margins, as suggesting just a higher floor for margins in both Transportation and Industrial moving into next year? Thank you.

Meenal Sethna

Management

Sure. Thanks, Luke. And so, your questions on both Transportation and Industrial, I would say for both of those segments, we feel good about the actions we have been taking, the progress we're making. We've talked about different for Transportation versus Industrial, but we've got strong conviction on the sustainability of the margins, as we've seen from the past few quarters. I would say, Q3, for both segments included, a few one-offs, first starting with foreign exchange. We have a very heavy Mexico presence in both of those segments and with some weaker peso, we saw a nice tailwind from foreign exchange about a 200 basis points on margin for both of the segments. So that was a -- that was a tailwind, and whether or not that continues from that perspective remains to be seen. Even when you take that out of the equation, we had some good mix coming through from the Transportation and Industrial side. Some of that was one off and that also maybe helped us a little bit more in the third quarter than we were expecting. But I'd say, overall, as we look Q4 going into 2025, we're making good progress. We expect to continue to make progress in 2025 with margin expansion and we're taking the actions around that, whether that's around footprint, cost reduction and of course good some recovery on volume growth that we think that will really help to drive the margin expansion into next year.

Luke Junk

Analyst

Thank you for that. I'll go ahead and leave it there.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Thanks for your questions, Luke.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matt Sheerin of Stifel. Your line is open.

Matt Sheerin

Analyst

Yes. Thanks. Good morning. So just another question, Dave, regarding the semiconductor business and the weakness that you're seeing. It sounds like the inventory within passives, within the channel are normal, POS is more stable. Can you give us a sense of what the inventory days, in the channel look like for the semiconductors, the MOSFET business and how long do you think that's going to take, to normalize?

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Yes. First of all, in the Power Semiconductor portion of our business, we have less distribution exposure. It's a bit more even mix between direct and distribution in the Power Semi portion of our business. What I'd say is, we don't see a lot of excess inventories in our channel partners on Power Semi. We do think industrial customers, end customers perhaps have some inventory overhang both on the component side and maybe finished foot side as well, which I think is adding to the dampening in the Industrial segment there. So it's not like in passives a year or so ago, it's really about driving inventory down in the channel. But, little less of that dynamic in the Power Semiconductor side, where it's a bit more related to the demand side and perhaps excess inventories at end customers.

Matt Sheerin

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that. And then, at the beginning of your comments, Dave, you talked about, some of the margin improvement coming from pricing, and working with customers. And I'm just wondering what is the pricing environment I would think, given the tough demand environment out there that we would see some pricing pressure, as volumes come back. Are you seeing that at all?

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Certainly, they've changed from a couple of years ago, but, we've talked about this in the past and it really hasn't changed too much for us. But, first of all, the cost increases we saw over the last two or three years remain there. And so, the pricing increases, meaningful ones that we had to put in place two, three years ago, have been pretty resilient. So they're -- we're not seeing things pull back from that. They've been pretty sticky and pretty stable. We have seen kind of a return to more normalized sort of pricing environment. As you know, Matt, price down year-over-year is a pretty common approach, and we're certainly seeing that in the Electronics and a bit in the Industrial at a lower level. Quite frankly, we've been taking on the Transportation side more active actions to drive pricing up to address some of our cost concerns and profitability concerns there. So that's maybe a little less price erosion than normal in Transportation. But we're not seeing really abnormal. There might be a couple of products, in a couple of markets where we see a bit more challenge, but overall, we're pretty comfortable with what we're seeing pricing hang in there.

Matt Sheerin

Analyst

Okay. That's it for me. Thank you.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Thanks for your questions, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Christopher Glynn of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, Dave and Meenal.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Good morning.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Just had a question on each quarter we hear about a pretty robust list of design wins and good kind of qualitative commentary on the wins. I'm curious, if markets stay flattish, do those net to growth or do they sort of play to offset trading older platform wins? Yes. Just curious about that.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Sure. What I would say is, designing activity across all of our segments continues to be pretty solid. So we're not seeing customers back away from designing next generation products and new applications for us. So that design activity continues to be good. We do continue to feel good about outgrowth on the automotive side and also on the commercial vehicle side as those markets stabilize and drive improvements. So we think that gives us growth expansion over time. On the Electronics side, really robust design activity. I will say that conversion from designing to production has been a little slower than kind of typical. We see some cautiousness there as people are making sure they're getting the current products out the door and cleaned up before they're launching new ones. So that conversion is taking maybe a little longer. But we also see that continuing to slowly add to our growth in addition to market growth there as well. So, I think actually signs are pretty positive for us in design activities.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Great. And then I was curious about capital allocation and how your pipeline's looking overall? Is there good mix of sizes? And do you expect activity in 2025?

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Sure. As you know, M&A -- thoughtful M&A is a critical part of our long term strategy. And we continue to have a robust funnel of being very active at looking at opportunities. We're looking for properties that will be into the spaces that we think will long-term create better diversification of our markets, and be healthy places with good long-term growth trajectories that ultimately drive a higher organic growth pattern for us over time. So continue to be very active in that. But we're also making sure that the opportunities we find are going to yield the returns that we feel are appropriate. And so that can be a little lumpy at times on that. So we don't have anything we're prepared to announce at this point in time certainly. But, I'd be shocked if there isn't some activity over the course of the next 12 months that we don't find some acquisitions to add to the mix, but nothing specific to talk about.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Thank you.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Thanks for your questions, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Saree Boroditsky of Jefferies. Your line is open.

Grant Smith

Analyst

Good morning. This is Grant Smith on for Saree. Thanks for taking our questions. From your full year margin guidance by segment and some of the commentary on the one-time benefits in the third quarter, it seems to imply maybe a sequential step down in Transportation and Industrial margins in the fourth quarter. I'm just curious on the Electronics side, are there some levers that you can maybe pull to drive some continued sequential margin improvement, in that segment despite the expectation for maybe some lower revenue?

Meenal Sethna

Management

Sure, Grant. I can answer that one. In general, if I take a step back, we typically talk about, the factor that drives volume the quickest and very visible is volume. And so in the case of the third quarter, we were pretty strong in volume and actually our sales in the third quarter were the highest they had been as we do a four quarter look back across that. So that definitely helped us in across some of our businesses from a margin perspective. Similarly, when you take a look at Q3 versus Q4 and our guide down in sales, we are seeing a normal seasonal decline from a sales perspective. So that volume impact that I talked about goes the other way as we think about the fourth quarter. That's really what's the biggest factor driving that. We of course are focused on the things that we can do and what we can control and we continue to focus on cost reduction activities. Your comments specifically around Electronics, we are focusing on cost reduction in Electronics, which includes some footprint work as well as just, frankly some ongoing costs and restructuring actions that we've been taking. So that is what we're focused on. And as we go into 2025, again another area for us, where we expect to see margin expansion.

Grant Smith

Analyst

Understood. Thank you for that. And then, maybe on the Industrial side, you posted pretty impressive growth there this quarter. Just curious if you could provide a little bit more around what was the driver of that growth? Was it more so data center driven or kind of fairly broad across the categories you mentioned like data center, industrial safety and HVAC? Thank you.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Yes. I would say, like, a lot of our peers, Industrial can be a bit of a mix on things, kind of broader based industrials tend to be a little slower with machine automation and those things particularly slow. Where we saw the growth drivers in our Industrial segment were, as you pointed out, we do sell into data center applications there. That's continued to be robust. We've seen industrial safety, which we've talked about previously as well as a nice niche where we have a lot of leadership in that position, and we're seeing that continue to be a growth driver for us. So, I think those are pretty strong areas. HVAC has been after being down for several quarters, beginning to kind of turn the quarter there and show some growth. Although kind of early stages on that, both residential and industrial, we really see opportunities in industrial as a big growth driver for us in the long-term.

Grant Smith

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Thanks for your questions, Grant.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of David Williams of Benchmark. Your line is open.

David Williams

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Congratulations on the operating margin improvement this Q. I guess first maybe David, are you seeing anything in terms of the design win dollar value or any changes that you look kind of maybe across that average win rate. It sounds like things are still robust, but just kind of curious how you're seeing the dollar value of each one of those wins come in. Has it changed meaningfully? Is it about the same? Are you seeing some growth in that ratio?

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Sure. Let's start with a backdrop and I'll use my U.S. terminology. We tend to be a business of singles and doubles, not home runs. We're winning projects and platforms that are additive over time, right? We don't get large, bulky sorts of wins. That's just not the nature of what our how our business operates. So, I would not say we've seen really any shift or change in the size of wins or the size of opportunities. They continue to be pretty consistent. The only shift we've seen a little bit is that, longer duration in the Electronics cycle between design win to production being a little bit elongated right now. We think that's really more kind of an environmental situation now. I don't think that's an ongoing. We don't expect that to be the norm over time. Generally, it's pretty stable I think. I don't see big changes there.

David Williams

Analyst

Great. Thanks for the color. And then, maybe if you just kind of think about the Industrial segment that's been in this elongated balance cycle. Do you think this is more of just cautiousness from customers or do you think it's more demand driven? And just kind of curious, if it's how you see that market in terms of recovery? And is it really Europe where you're seeing the biggest impact, or can -- you maybe give any color on North America and maybe outside of those regions in terms of how industrial is performing?

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Yes. Industrial, I would say, we've talked a lot about Europe and China by the way too, where there's softer industrial demand that is certainly kind of showing up there. North America is a bit more stable, I would say. We're not seeing it dropping. It's more of a stable environment. The kind of shift or the change has been more Europe and Asia. As far as cautiousness and things, I think people are being cautious about investment levels into factories and things like that. At this point in time, interest rates are certainly not necessarily positive for that. We are seeing a little bit on in the Electronics portion of our business which also sells into industrial applications that, customers are kind of cautious on orders. So we're getting more late orders, last minute orders than maybe we typically do. Typically, we see things booked out a little further and maybe tend to be dropping in, with shorter lead times there, which I think demonstrates some of the cautiousness of that. I think everything else equal, a lot of companies are ending their fiscal year at the end of the year. They'd prefer to have a little less inventory tied up at the end of the year, as opposed to where they've operated through the course of the year. I think all those things kind of play a role in that.

David Williams

Analyst

Thanks so much.

Dave Heinzmann

Management

Thanks for your questions, David.

Operator

Operator

With no further questions, that concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the conference back over to David Kelley for closing remarks.

David Kelley

Management

Yes. Thanks, everyone, for joining today. We look forward to speaking with you at the November 12th, Baird Global Industrial Conference in Chicago, as well as the December 11th, Oppenheimer Midwest Virtual Summit. Thanks again and have a great day everyone.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.