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Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 30, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Lincoln Electric 2015 Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode and this call is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Amanda Butler, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Amanda Butler

Management

Thank you, Chelsea, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Lincoln Electric's 2015 third quarter conference call. We released our financial results for the quarter earlier today and you can find our release in this call's slide presentation on the Lincoln Electric website at lincolnelectric.com in the Investor Relations section. Joining me on the call today is Chris Mapes, Lincoln's Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and our Chief Financial Officer, Vince Petrella. Chris will begin the discussion this morning with an overview of the quarter and Vince will cover the numbers in more detail as well as our uses of cash. Following our prepared remarks, we will take your questions. Before we start our discussion, please note that certain statements made during this call may be forward looking and actual results may differ materially from our expectations due to a number of risk factors. A discussion of some of the risk factors and uncertainties that may affect our result are provided in our press release and in our SEC filings on Forms 10-K and 10-Q. In addition, we discuss financial measures that do not conform to U.S. GAAP and a reconciliation of non-GAAP measures to the most-comparable GAAP measure is found in the financial tables in our earnings release. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Chris Mapes. Chris?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Thank you, Amanda. Good morning, everyone. Our third quarter results illustrate solid execution of our 2020 Vision Strategy, operational excellence and the benefit of cost-reduction actions initiated in the second quarter. Headwinds continued to persist as industrial end markets weakened throughout the third quarter from the same forces and factors other industrial firms have noted. Additionally, we faced challenging year-over-year comparisons in our three largest segments. This resulted in 9.9% lower sales in the third quarter as an approximate 3% growth from both pricing actions and acquisitions were offset by a 10.2% or $73 million decline in volumes and a 5.9% or $42 million decline from unfavorable foreign exchange. Despite these challenges, we achieved a 15.1% adjusted operating income margin, up 40 basis points versus the prior year, primarily on cost-reduction actions and operational improvements. We achieved an adjusted earnings per share of $0.89. While share repurchases contributed $0.06, this benefit was offset by a $0.05 unfavorable impact from foreign exchange. We generated solid cash flow with 143% free cash flow conversion to net income ratio. Return on invested capital, when adjusting for our special items, was solid at 21.4%. And we continue to return cash to shareholders. In the quarter, we returned $161 million or approximately 150% of cash flow from operations. And given our confidence in cash flow generation, we remain committed to our $400 million 2015 share repurchase target. Additionally, earlier this week, we announced a 10.3% increase in our dividend payout rate to $1.28 per diluted share for next year. As outlined in our press release, we incurred $181 million of pre-tax special charges in the third quarter, which Vince will walk through in more detail in his prepared remarks. Looking at sales trends in a bit more detail on slide four, the 10.2% volume decline…

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Thank you, Chris. Turning to slide six for a review of income statement highlights, our consolidated sales decreased 9.9% compared with the third quarter of 2014 on 3.3% higher price, primarily reflecting the hyperinflationary environment in Venezuela. Excluding the impact of Venezuelan price increases in the quarter, overall pricing was relatively flat. We also achieved a 3% increase from our most-recent Rimrock and SWP acquisitions as well as Easom Automation, which we closed in October of 2014. These increases were offset by 10.2% lower volumes and a 5.9% unfavorable impact from foreign currency translation. Our third quarter gross profit decreased 17.7% or $42.7 million as the benefits from cost reductions and lower input costs were offset by the unfavorable impact of lower volumes, a $22.2 million special charge related to the Venezuelan currency remeasurement loss and a $12.8 million impact from foreign currency translations. Our third quarter reported gross profit margin decreased 300 basis points to 30.8% compared with 33.8% in the comparable prior-year period on the impact of special charges. Excluding special items, our gross profit margin increased 50 basis points to 34.3%, primarily reflecting a benefit of cost-reduction actions. Our SG&A expense as a percentage of sales increased 80 basis points to 19.9% due to the foreign currency and Venezuelan remeasurement loss of $4.3 million recorded in SG&A. Excluding this special item, our SG&A ratio was essentially flat year-over-year at 19.2%. We incurred an operating loss of $84 million on the $181 million of pre-tax special items that I will review in more detail on the next slide. On an adjusted basis, we achieved a 15.1% operating profit margin, which was 40 basis points higher than 2014's 14.7% margin. Furthermore, excluding our Venezuelan operations from both years' third quarter results, our adjusted operating profit margin would have increased…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Matt McConnell with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Good morning.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Good morning.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

So, I appreciate all the insight into the different end markets, what you're seeing this quarter. Could you kind of roll that forward and share an early read on what you're expecting for 2016? I know, Vince, you just mentioned the comps are still tough in the first quarter. But what are some of your underlying assumptions that support the cost structure you have now or how's your planning for 2016?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Well, Matt, as you said, we're concerned because the comps are very tough in the first quarter for us. We were not pulled into some of the negative demand trends from oil and gas as quickly as some other industry participants. We're expecting that transportation side stays very steady in 2016. Automotive and broad transport still looks good. We're expecting structural to stay good. We actually believe that there is some indication that pipe may actually be more favorable in 2016 than 2015, although that's certainly a small element of the segment. So, we're confident that those areas are going to continue to be a very good portion of the business for us. We're confident some of the new products that we're migrating out into the portfolio and confident that automation should continue its growth trajectory. But certainly, some of the segments that have been challenged for us, as it relates ag and mining, we certainly are expecting to be challenging in 2016. And all I can really tell you about oil and gas is the only thing that's probably occurred in that marketplace over the last couple of quarters is, I think, at least we've seen some stabilization in oil pricing within a range of at least where the investors in that particular marketplace from a capital perspective are probably getting a little bit more confidence over the stability of pricing, which hopefully can return some greater investment dollars into that segment in 2016.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks. It's helpful. And just a follow-up maybe on margin, so in North America, specifically, how close are you to the minimum hours that you commit to there? And I guess, another way to ask that is, how much flexibility do you have to reduce near-term capacity if you do see anymore incremental end-market weakness?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Well, we've offered a voluntary incentive separation program that over 100 people accepted during the course of the quarter. We also are working our productive staff at a little less than a full workload. So, there is a bit of a room to move hours down if we take another step down in order and sales patterns, going forward.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Schon Williams with BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Christopher Schon Williams

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Hi. Good morning.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Good morning, Schon.

Christopher Schon Williams

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Would you guys be willing to quantify what is the sequential savings you expect to realize from the current action in kind of Q4 versus Q3?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

So, we announced at the end of the second quarter savings that were roughly half of the aggregate savings that we've updated at the end of the third quarter. So, as you might recall, Schon, we said that we would have a run rate of $10 million to $12 million of temporary cost savings beginning in the third quarter and $4 million to $6 million of permanent savings beginning in the third quarter. Now, we can layer in, on top of that, to aggregate $20 million to $25 million of temporary savings and $10 million to $12 million of permanent that we believe will pretty quickly in the fourth quarter be at a full run rate realization. So, we took about half of those savings in the third quarter and we're now pretty much doubling what we announced at the end of the second quarter for the fourth quarter.

Christopher Schon Williams

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

All right. So, I should think of it as kind of the temporary savings plus the permanent. You realized some of that in Q3, but there should be kind of the full run rate in Q4, is that correct?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

That's correct.

Christopher Schon Williams

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then, maybe just a little bit on Harris Products turned – organic volumes there turned quite negative. I know it was a tough comp. But traditionally, that's more housing exposure. So, I would have maybe expected it to hold up a little bit better. Can you just talk about what's kind of driving the end-market weakness there?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

My comment would be, it was a little shallow in the quarter on the equipment side of that business. You'd also be at a point in the housing cycle for those products that you'd be at the end of their particular season. Some of our international shipments out of the Harris business were a little shallow to our expectations on the equipment side as well as the consumable side. I will point out that that business has performed very well in 2015, had very strong results for us in the first quarter and second quarter. And again, although a little shallow in Q3, I don't think materially shallow, and we don't see anything from a share or market perspective for that particular business.

Christopher Schon Williams

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

That's helpful. And then one more, if I may, Vince, any guidance on interest expense as we move into the fourth quarter here. I know there is a couple of moving pieces there with payout and kind of increased debt levels. But I mean, should we assume the $5.8 million, is that kind of a good run rate or anything that pushes that up or down?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

No, I would expect it to come down. As I said in my prepared comments, the contingent consideration required a forecast update based on the results of this business that we bought. And so, I would tell you that the way it looks today, it'd probably be something like $3 million to $4 million, unless there is another forecast adjustment to the outgoing forecast of the business. So, I think it's going to come down, barring any significant adjustments to contingent consideration. So, I would think $3 million to $4 million is not a bad estimate at this point in time for one quarter.

Christopher Schon Williams

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

All right. That's helpful, guys. I'll see you at the FABTECH show here in a couple of weeks.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

All right. Take care, Schon.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Mig Dobre with Baird. Your line is now open.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Baird. Your line is now open.

Good morning, everyone.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Good morning.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Baird. Your line is now open.

So, I guess my first is just a little bit of clarification, try and understand how you're really kind of framing the outlook. Things, I presume, sequentially have gotten weaker, hence the additional action on the cost side. But I'm trying to frame how much of this is really related to difficult comps as you kind of frame it out to looking out to the first quarter as opposed to you've seen a some sequential deceleration in the business that would require maybe additional actions on a cost side as we get into next year. I'm trying to separate out the tough comps versus business fundamentals deteriorating, if that makes sense, or end market?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Sure. Look – and I know it – as you say, we need to break it out. It is a tough comp. We had a very strong Q4 and a solid Q1 that's up against us for the next couple of quarters. But when we look at the actual organics within the business and the trends within the business, as we stated, this has been kind of a compressing market and we do believe that a multitude of industrials are challenged by this particular marketplace. And quite frankly, it's been compressing into Q2 and compressed into Q3. And as we stated, we saw a little bit further compression from an organic perspective in these key end markets as we're entering into Q4. Now, granted, it's only the first two or three weeks of Q4, but we have seen some sequential and trend data continuing from a demand perspective that has been slightly shallower. I will tell you I think that as it shows in our margin performance, we've done a very good job of managing the business and getting ahead of our cost structure. Certainly, some of those benefits will be provided into the business, expecting that those will help us make some improvements in Q4. But as we stated in the remarks, concerned that, quite frankly, the revenue trends and the challenges that we have from a comp and FX may make it difficult for us to perform at the level that we'd otherwise like to.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Baird. Your line is now open.

Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you for the clarification. And then, maybe kind of a big-picture question, with sort of you looking at your internal data. One of your big competitors has highlighted kind of a tale of two economies, right. You've got some industrial manufacturing, commodity exposed in the markets that are struggling. You've highlighted that as well. And then you've got some others that are maybe consumer, construction and auto, et cetera, that are doing well. And this divergence, in and of itself, how unusual is that to you? And do you think that such a divergence is sustainable as we look into 2016?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Yeah, I think it's a great question. And I would tell you that we would say this type of divergence is usually a unique market attribute. We've maybe seen it at an earlier cycle one time that we talk about here within Lincoln. I think the positive side of that is that those areas of the economy that have been performing well in 2015, that automotive space, the structural space, the consumer side, we believe are going to continue into 2016 at a solid level. So, the industrial spaces that have been challenged continue to be challenged. Not a lot of clarity as it relates to mining and ag and, hopefully, stability within oil and gas as we move forward, but we do see the divergence of a couple of our segments. I would also point out it's one of the advantages that we believe we have within our portfolio at Lincoln Electric, that because of the multitude of segments that we participate in, in this type of environment, we do have the benefits associated with those other segments that are stronger at this point, the regional diversification and certainly some of the strength that we've seen within the investments in our automation portfolio that we've certainly emphasized within the business over the last two years to three years.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Baird. Your line is now open.

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Walter Liptak with Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

Walter Scott Liptak

Analyst · Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

Hi. Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Good morning. Walt.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Hey, Walt.

Walter Scott Liptak

Analyst · Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

I wanted to ask about just some of the similar geographic trends. And I guess, in North America, wondering about any inventory destocking, if you can tell us, do you get a look into like distributors or OEs and what they are doing with their own inventory levels and if that may be exasperating things in the back part of the year? And then, in Europe, I'm curious about just any monthly trends that you've seen. That was – I think we were all expecting it to be weak but hoping for stability. Anything in the sectors that might be bottoming and turning more positive?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

I'll start, Walt, by answering the European question, which I'll tell you we just haven't seen anything in the data that gives us any confidence in any level of stability. We're not seeing any material shift within the business, but we're certainly not seeing the stability that we'd like to see within that particular market. So, I think that certainly some of the activities that they have in Europe to generate some growth and some stability would be very favorable for us. But when I think about that market, I still am seeing us being challenged, because of Europe's connection to Russia and the export market there into Russia, which continues to be challenging for a host of those particular industries and markets, which may make it difficult for us, and for really that market to really start to pick up some steam and start to move out of the downward compression in their demand model.

Walter Scott Liptak

Analyst · Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great. And then the North America question on distributor/OE destocking?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Yeah. Look, I think the fortunate thing relative to where we're at in the cycle is that if you think about oil and gas and mining and ag, those segments that quite frankly have been trending more negatively and compressing through the last couple of quarters, we've had enough time within the cycle that we're not experiencing any bubble associated with further inventory reduction that we're expecting, certainly not seeing that with any of our large channel partners. I think the only element relative to those segments that may be something that we see in 2015 versus 2014 is that because of some of the challenges with demand, we may see some of those large OEMs take larger shutdowns during the traditional holiday windows. So, we're expecting that potentially we could see more productive days pulled out by some of the OEs in some of those segments, but that's not really relative to inventory.

Walter Scott Liptak

Analyst · Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

Okay. Fair enough. Thanks for the color.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Thanks, Walt.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Wertheimer with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Robert Wertheimer

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Good morning, everybody.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Good morning, Rob.

Robert Wertheimer

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open.

This is sort of a follow-up to the last question. Just wonder if you can, with the more granular data that you see, give your opinion on whether there is a confidence crunch? In other words, in the areas where there shouldn't necessarily be weakness, people have stopped spending on equipment versus consumables, if you see what I mean. I mean, you mentioned both are down, but whether you think that equipment is trending below activity as people just sort of seize up or not. I'm wondering if – aside from the obvious areas of weakness, if you're seeing people pinch in a little bit more than that in anticipation of slower times ahead.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Yeah, Rob, I think that's the case. I think what we've seen in previous cycles is on the downside of volume contractions, our equipment or machine business fall more than consumables, because it is more of a CapEx discretionary, perhaps, type of a spend. And we see that in last couple of quarters now at Lincoln, where our equipment business is contracting a bit more than the consumable business. I think there is certainly an element of that. And the strong dollar is exasperating that effect in international markets as well. So, I think, your point is a valid one in terms of a little bit of pulling in of the horns when it comes to CapEx spending right now.

Robert Wertheimer

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then, just a quick one, pricing on equipment, especially North America, what are your thoughts on how that's going to play out this cycle?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

I don't think there is going to be much pricing in this kind of environment. So, I would expect us to have a flat type of pricing environment in the next quarter or two.

Robert Wertheimer

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open.

But you don't anticipate declines. I mean, obviously, there is some cost pass-through throughout the chain, where some folks are seeing a little bit of down – not necessarily margin down, but down.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

No, our history has been one where we've been able to hang on to price pretty well. And we don't expect this cycle to be any different than our historical performance and behavior. So, if there is a price that's given up, it'd be I think relatively modest.

Robert Wertheimer

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open.

Great. Thank you very much.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Joe O'Dea with Vertical Research Partners. Your line is now open.

Joe J. O'Dea

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. On the M&A front and as you see continued kind of softening and uncertainty in markets, is that in any way kind of raising the possibility of an acceleration in acquisition activity, just as you see maybe more things that have been on the sidelines or willingness to come forward, valuation coming down a little bit potentially?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

You'd think that in this particular marketplace, where some of these segments become more challenged that there may be more assets that are available, people evaluating whether they want to manage their business through an uncertain cycle. I'll tell you, I'm not sure that philosophically we're thinking about it that way. I mean, we've invested a lot of money from a human resource perspective and from a strategy perspective to be able to evaluate acquisitions. We know how critical it is to us for a long-term strategy. I certainly was excited about closing the Rimrock acquisition and the SWP transaction in the quarter. So, hopefully, maybe, we'll have more assets that become available. But I can assure you that even before we saw this downturn, we were actively looking around the world for technologies and products and people that could advance our strategy.

Joe J. O'Dea

Analyst

Okay. And then on the cost actions taken in or announced through the quarter, so you announced some at the end of 2Q and then further actions in 3Q. It sounds like you implemented much of that over the course of 3Q. And now you see kind of continued sequential softening into 4Q. Does that sort of raise the possibility of additional actions or do you think which you've now announced kind of encompasses what you think you need to do for the current environment?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Well, look, I think we'll have to understand exactly where these demand trends move over the next couple of months. We've been very aggressive in managing that side of the cost model and, certainly, believe that we exhibited that and managed that in Q3. If we were going to see an elongated period of further demand declines, which we're not forecasting at this point, that we would obviously continue to evaluate our cost structure and make sure that we continue to keep that aligned. But at this point, especially with us pretty much being through the month of October, we've probably accomplished at least any major type of reductions that we're going to be able to accomplish as it relates to Q4. And we'll be evaluating those demand trends as we're moving into 2016.

Joe J. O'Dea

Analyst

All right. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tom Hayes with Northcoast Research. Your line is now open.

Tom L. Hayes

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Good morning, Tom.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Hey.

Tom L. Hayes

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Your line is now open.

Hey. Just as it kind of relates to Venezuela, kind of looking at the adjusted results, still essentially breakeven, just wondering if you could provide some thoughts on your position in the market and how can you move profitability forward.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Yeah. So, our position in the market is still very strong. As you know, Tom, we're really the only local manufacturer there. It is a growingly challenged environment. The economy there is contracting significantly. It's hyperinflationary. Our view of Venezuela is that our expectations are modest that we want to continue to maintain our position there and eke out whatever type of profitability is possible under the current conditions. So, I wouldn't expect us to have a whole lot in the near term or maybe even in the intermediate term from an earnings or sales perspective coming out of Venezuela. But it's still our position and we're there for the long term and we're hopeful that the economy can get back on track and take advantage of some of the world's largest oil reserves sometime in the future.

Tom L. Hayes

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great. And then, I guess, follow up. I think the acquisition of Wolf Robotics in the quarter was a nice addition to your automation offering. Perhaps, you could touch on how you see – how you position the complete Lincoln automation offering to the clients, especially as you call it out as a meaningful growth driver going forward?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Well, I think, as it relates to the Wolf Robotics acquisition, it provides a couple of real catalysts for us in the way we're moving to the market with automation. The first would be, it provides us an operation in Fort Collins, Colorado for the Western portion of the United States for us to be able to touch customers more easily within that group. I was out there recently just a couple of weeks ago, meeting with the employees. I will tell you, it's an enormous amount of talent. People are very focused on welding technologies and automation and they've really had a leadership position and a host of large OEMs. And I believe they can help us take those capabilities into other markets and other OEMs. The second catalyst that I see from the automation business for our customers is, quite frankly, the scale we're building. The fact that as we continue to aggregate up more of these businesses, we bring in more capabilities, like we have at Wolf Robotics, where they had some unique applications that they'd been engaged with. As we bring more and more scale of our global automation capabilities, our ability to service global OEMs is going to be enhanced. And we see that as part of the fundamental strategy that we started two years or three years ago, when we said we were going to migrate down a long-term investment path in welding automation. And very, very excited about the recent acquisitions with Wolf as well as our continued investment in that space.

Tom L. Hayes

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Your line is now open.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Liam Burke with Wunderlich. Your line is open.

Liam D. Burke

Analyst · Wunderlich. Your line is open.

Thank you. Good morning, Chris. Good morning, Vince.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Good morning, Liam.

Liam D. Burke

Analyst · Wunderlich. Your line is open.

Chris, how is the – as you grow the automation business, how is competitive environment different from your more traditional arc welding business?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Well, look, I think the one difference is that it tends to be very much directly with the end user, because you're really talking about developing a solutions base that's very specific to their particular application. Now, look, there are a multitude of our products that are enormously focused with the end-user application. But there are some of our products that, quite frankly, are more closely aligned with management of the channel or support from the channel. But the automation business, generally, is working with an OEM because you're going into solve a larger solution for the OEM from a welding perspective. And I think one of the challenges with that is it's much larger project management, not just creating the solution, but many times there being there with the solution from an installation and an engineering perspective. So, we believe it's a deeper relationship. It's a relationship that requires us to have a different type of resource at times to support that OEM. But I got to tell you, we think it's greatly aligned with our strategy, because we want to be a solutions-based technology-driven company, and automation provides us another capability for us to bring that to the marketplace.

Liam D. Burke

Analyst · Wunderlich. Your line is open.

Now, are you running into a broader set of competitors here or how does landscape look?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

We do run into different competitors, although, I would tell you that we believe we have a unique value proposition. At the end of the day, when an OEM seeking these types of solutions, they're just not seeking automation, they're seeking a welding solution. We, quite frankly, believe we know more about welding and welding technologies than any of the other individuals that would be bringing these solutions to the marketplace. So, if you're just an integrator of automation or if you're just a line builder within automation, and there are companies out there that do that, and some companies that do that well, I would share with you, that we believe the real issue is you've got a welding issue. And the welding proposition and our knowledge of that technology and an ability to bring that solution within automation as a solution creates a real competitive advantage and creates a compelling value proposition when we talk about that with our customers.

Liam D. Burke

Analyst · Wunderlich. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Stanley Elliott with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Hey. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for taking my question. Kind of going back to the automation side, have you seen any of the other kind of larger more global welding companies start to accelerate their investments in automation, like you all have?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

I would say that we haven't seen anything to the level that Lincoln has, because of the acquisitions that we've been making into the space and, certainly, the public side of those particular disclosures. A multitude of other players have some presence in the space, but we certainly are excited about our continued investment and what we believe to be our market-leading position in welding automation.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

The success that you guys have had, is that changing your thought that maybe doubling this business over the kind of through the 2020 process might actually be conservative to where this business could grow in excess of $500 million?

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

I think the real challenge associated with that will be as we continue to execute on the current strategy, what the longer-term growth rates are for automation within the welding space. Because as we think about the business, we certainly want to have a leadership position and that leadership position might lead us to a larger business model than what we were initially thinking of as we developed and are executing on the strategy. My confidence is that the strategy is working for Lincoln and that we believe that it's a value creation for our business and our shareholders. And we're more than willing to continue to look at investments in the space. Probably forecasting out what the size of that business would be is just a little beyond where we're comfortable today until we really get a broader understanding of the adoption rates in welding automation globally over the next several years.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Understood. And if I could sneak one more in, you all mentioned returning cash to shareholders through the cycle with the big repurchase activity this year. Would you guys care to comment on what investors could expect to see in the coming year? Thank you.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Yes, Stanley. We're not in a position today to announce what our 2016 share buyback targets will be. As you know, we're on pace for $400 million this year. We still have a planning process to get through in December to button down what our views are on 2016. But what I can tell you is that you can expect a very robust share repurchase number for 2016, in line with our previous discussions surrounding our revised capital allocation strategy. And so, I would expect there to be a very significant share buyback activity in 2016 as well.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Great. Thank you, guys.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Barger with KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

Hi. Good morning.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Good morning.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

Vince, you talked about that $26 million price benefit in South America, how much of that flowed through to operating income in that segment?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

South America doesn't have a whole lot of operating income, but the $26 million was really a charge related to the Venezuelan foreign currency remeasurement process. So, it wasn't a cost savings, Steve, as much as a special item charge.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

No, I'm talking about on the volume acquisition price and FX walk, the positive $26 million, is that the charge that...

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

No, no, no.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

Is that the same charge?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

No, that's actually the hyperinflationary economy in Venezuela. So, you're raising your prices on a weekly basis in line with a very high inflation rate, but your costs are going up by a commensurate or some months a greater amount. So, it's really offset – those price increases are offset with cost increases and it doesn't really translate into higher earnings, because, as you may know, Venezuela has a fair price law, which only allows you to mark up your pricing a little bit more than what your costs are rising at. So, you're almost locked in to a position there currently, where if prices are going – your costs are going up 100%, you can maybe raise your pricing by 112%. So, it's...

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

Got it.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

You're just trying to hold serve there and not really expand margins.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

Understood. And I know it's always hard to predict in an environment like that, but would you expect to see a price benefit like that in 4Q as well, just as we think about our models?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

No. I don't think so. With this move from the SICAD I rate to the SIMADI rate, that's going to temper the kind of price increases that I think you see through a new translation mechanism. So, I think the numbers are going to come down, at least near term, fairly significantly when we think of the size of the top line in Venezuela.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

Okay. And next, moving to North America, thinking about the $45 million volume decline that you saw, how much of that was export versus domestic? And based on the commentary for what you're seeing so far in 4Q, would you expect to see that same level or more of a volume decline in 4Q?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Well, the export part of that decline was about $8 million out of the U.S. year-over-year. So, about $36 million, let's call it, was domestic declines. And then as far as the trending is concerned, my expectation based on what we're seeing in our North American business for October is that it will likely be larger than that, that we will – the trends that we saw throughout the quarter and what we have in the book for October, unless something turns around in November and December, we'll have a greater decline in volumes in the fourth quarter than the third quarter.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

Got it. And I mean, these volume declines you haven't really seen, if my historical data is right, since 2009. So, really remarkable margin preservation on that front. Can you tell us what the EBIT loss was on that $45 million decline before cost savings? And obviously, you've gotten in front of those EBIT declines very well. How much of a direct offset was there from specific cost actions in the quarter?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Well, we had previously a run rate of about $10 million to $12 million on temporary savings and $4 million to $6 million on permanent. So, we think we got the full quarterly run rate on that. We also achieved in the overall business about 11% decremental margin, which is unusually strong for our business, historically speaking. So, we're very pleased with the cost-savings activities that we've engaged in during the course of this double-digit decline in volumes. And I believe, Steve, our performance in this quarter and, frankly, the last couple of quarters is better than what our decrementals have been last time we've been through this kind of a volume decline, by a wide margin.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

No question about it, yeah. And so, I guess, what I'm trying to get to is, is that decremental of 11% versus, I think it was 18% in 2Q and maybe closer to 30% in 1Q, are your cost saves going to allow you to keep that decremental at a low-double-digit pace in 4Q or does some of that volume decline catch up with you?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Yeah, well, I would tell you we could if – but it depends on the volume declines that we have in the fourth quarter. I think the trending would suggest that that might be difficult, but I think we'll outperform previous same-type volume declines. I think our decrementals will likely be a bit better. But sometimes, it can be difficult to get ahead of another step-down in volume declines within a quarter. So, I'm fairly optimistic that we'll be able to maintain a better-than-historical profile, but it is again all dependent upon how we end up in volumes in the fourth quarter.

Steve Barger

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Your line is now open.

All right. Thanks very much.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Justin Bergner with Gabelli & Company. Your line is now open.

Justin Laurence Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is now open.

Good morning, everyone.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Good morning.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Hey.

Justin Laurence Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is now open.

I wanted to address the question of margins, I guess, a different way. I don't think there has been a discussion yet today about any benefit from declining input costs. Was that a factor in the third quarter? And if so, could you give us some idea as to how much of a factor?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Well, we did have a LIFO credit in the third quarter of about $4.2 million, which is reflective of a lower input costs environment. Our year-to-date benefit from that is about $7 million. So, we did have some compression in raw material costs in the quarter that benefited us from a LIFO credit perspective by a little over $4 million.

Justin Laurence Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay. And is there any sort of additional portion that doesn't flow through LIFO that would have been on top of that?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

I wouldn't be able to put a number on that for you. But LIFO, I think, is a good indicator of what your current cost environment is doing on a quarterly basis.

Justin Laurence Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay. That's helpful. And then I noticed that in North America, your price sort of ticked up a bit versus prior quarters, which was certainly impressive given the underlying environment. Is there any factor there that we should be noting in terms of mix or source of that strength on the price driver?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Yes. North America includes Canada and Mexico, those foreign jurisdictions. And the bulk of the pricing improvement was really the dynamic of selling products from our U.S. business into those legal entities, who in turn have to raise prices to try to make up for stronger U.S. dollar. So, the weakness in the Canadian dollar and the Mexican peso against the U.S. dollar – and this is true in all markets, not only North America – will require the local subsidiary to try to recoup that greater costs through pricing increases. So, the bulk of that really is a foreign currency intercompany pricing dynamic. And domestic market pricing was relatively flat.

Justin Laurence Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great. That's helpful. One final question, I'm not sure if you've spoken to this before, but can you perhaps give us a sense as to whether automation margins are in line with the company average and sort of in line with the North American average as it relates to the North American component of automation?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Currently, the automation product line margins are a bit less than both, North America and the consolidated group. But they're pretty close to where we are from a consolidated group perspective. But as you know, North America is a fair bit higher than the consolidated numbers. But they are a little bit less at this point in our integration process, including a lot of new acquisitions over the past couple, two years, three years.

Justin Laurence Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay. That's helpful. And do you expect them to be able to get to the company level or, perhaps, even at that North America level in your mid-term plan?

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

We fully expect them to achieve the consolidated business level and maybe even a tick higher. But I think North America margins are maybe a little bit farther out than the near or even intermediate term.

Justin Laurence Bergner

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great. Thank you for taking all my questions this morning.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

And we have a follow-up question from Matt McConnell with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Thanks very much for taking my follow up. You mentioned that deferred customer capital spending is impacting equipment sales, as it typically does, but it sure doesn't seem to be impacting automation sales. So, that's a pretty big capital outlay obviously. So, how has that been stronger? Is that you're just outperforming the market? Just a little more insight into the increase in automation sales this quarter would be helpful.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Yeah, that's a great question, actually. And historically, automation has moved largely with our equipment portfolio. And this really might harken back to the previous question that was asked today about end-market segments and the divergence between those segments in our business. But one of the segments that is strong for us right now is automotive and automotive is, perhaps, one of the heaviest concentrations of automation sales activity in welding automation. So, I would attribute a good part of a divergence in automation to its end-market exposure in the area of automotive at the current time. So, it's really, I think, relevant to what our exposures are from an end-market perspective and we have some end-market strengths in the automation space.

Christopher L. Mapes

Management

Yeah. And I would also add, look, we're still in an extremely low cost of capital environment. So, as some of these segments are struggling, they are still looking for productivity and, quite frankly, needing productivity. So, there may still be some investments in some space that, quite frankly, is not growing from a demand perspective, but those OEMs are seeking solutions to drive higher levels of productivity.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Great. Thanks. That's helpful.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Thank you, Matt.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Vince Petrella for closing remarks.

Vincent K. Petrella

Management

Thank you, Chelsea. I just wanted to thank everyone for joining us on the call today and for your continued interest in Lincoln Electric. We look forward to showcasing our solutions at the upcoming FABTECH Expo in Chicago on November 10 with analysts, and discussing the progression of our strategic programs and 2020 Strategy on our next earnings call in February 2016. Again, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may now disconnect your lines at this time. And thank you for your participation.