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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2011 Drew Industries Incorporated Earnings Conference Call. My name is Keith, and I'll be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded for replay purposes. And I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Jeff Tryka of Drew's Investor Relations firm. Please go ahead, sir.

Jeffery Tryka

Analyst

Thank you, Keith. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Drew Industries 2011 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Conference Call. I’m Jeff Tryka with Lambert-Edwards, Drew’s Investor Relations firm, and I'm joined on the call by members of Drew's management team, including Leigh Abrams, Chairman of the Board of Drew; Fred Zinn, President, CEO and a Director of Drew; Jason Lippert, Chairman and CEO of Lippert Components and Kinro and a Director of Drew; and Joe Giordano, CFO and Treasurer of Drew. We want to take a few minutes to discuss our fourth quarter and full year results. However, before we do so, it is my responsibility to inform you that certain statements made in today's conference call regarding Drew Industries and its operations may be considered forward-looking statements under the securities laws. As a result, I must caution you that there a are number of factors, many of which are beyond the company’s control, which could cause actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. These factors are identified in our press releases, in our Form 10-K for the year ended 2011, and in our other filings with the SEC. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Fred Zinn. Fred?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Thank you, Jeff, and thank you, all, for joining us on the call today. On our previous calls, during 2011, we talked about our key long-term goals and today, I'd like to update you on where we are now on those long-term goals. One of our primary goals and a key to Drew's success over the years has been growth in our content per towable RV and this does remain a major element of our continuing strategy. As is evident from the $230 increase in our content per towable RV in 2011, we continue to accomplish this goal through acquisitions, new product introductions and other market share gains. At current industry shipment rates, this $230 content growth adds nearly $50 million in annual revenues for Drew. The acquisitions we completed in 2011 will provide significant additional content growth in 2012 as we will include new revenues for a full year. Likewise, we have begun to make progress on our second long-term goal of diversification to adjacent markets. In recent years, we have expanded how we define ourselves recognizing that we make great products, not just for RVs and manufactured homes, but we make great products in general, and many of them like axles, windows, slide-outs, furniture chassis, awnings and a whole myriad of others can be used outside of our core markets of towable RVs and Manufactured Housing. For example, our products can be used in motorhomes, in cargo horse and utility trailers, in truck caps, in buses and modular housing, as well as in the aftermarket as replacement components for RVs and manufactured homes. We anticipate that market diversification will provide us with a wealth of opportunities to continue to grow well into the future. In 2011, our sales to adjacent markets increased by $19 million to $45 million…

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Thank you, Fred. In addition to the 7% growth in industry-wide wholesale production, our content per travel trailer and fifth-wheel RV continue to grow in 2011, increasing $230 as compared to 2010 to $2,390 per unit for the full year. Approximately 60% of this content growth was a result of the acquisitions completed in 2011, with the balance comprised in part from new product introductions and market share gains. Based on historical sales and assuming that each of these 5 acquisitions we completed in 2011 had been completed at the beginning of the year, our RV segment sales for 2011 would have been $52 million higher. Specifically, on a pro forma basis, sales to travel trailer and fifth-wheel RVs manufacturers would have increased $34 million, and our content per travel trailer and fifth-wheel RV for 2011 would have been approximately $2,560 per unit. For just the fourth quarter of 2011, which included the full effect of the 2011 acquisitions, our content per travel trailer and fifth-wheel RV was $2,542. And there is some seasonality in our content on a quarterly basis, specifically in the fourth quarter, which is why we typically discuss our content trends for the prior 12-month periods but in the 2011 fourth quarter, we did not see as much of a seasonal decline in content as we typically do. For 2011, our actual motorhome sales of $17 million would have been $5 million higher had we completed the acquisitions at the beginning of 2011. On a pro forma basis, our content per motorhome for 2011 would have been approximately $870 per unit. And after declining during 2010 and the first half of 2011, our trailing 12-month content per motorhome has increased for the past 2 quarters. Sales to other industries included in our RV segment were $32…

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Thank you, Joe. Operator, we can now go to questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question is from the line of Scott Stember with Sidoti.

Scott Stember

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Could you maybe breakout the $0.12 in charges in the quarter, or specific to the gross margin, maybe just give us buckets of magnitude from...

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Yes, I think we can give you the general magnitude. It was 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3 for the 3 reasons we laid out, the material costs, the start-up costs and the higher production costs. And most of it, Joe, correct me if I'm wrong, but most of it, almost all of it is in cost of sales, direct.

Scott Stember

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Got you. Okay. And it looks like the production costs and the start-up costs are coming into line but from a material standpoint?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Same thing. We expect -- we do see improvements in our material costs as a percentage of sales largely because the lower cost materials are now fully into our inventory and will be expensed during the first quarter. So we'll see very little impact there. Material costs have been volatile and they did take off in the beginning of this year, but we've been able to deal with in the past and I don't really see an issue going forward.

Scott Stember

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

All right. And maybe just to touch base on the aftermarket group, I know at Louisville, you guys had a big push to get the name out for that segment. Could you talk how that's going so far, and whether you've seen sales jump start since then?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Jason, you have any comments on how we're doing on the aftermarket side?

Jason Lippert

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Yes. The aftermarket strategy on our end is going to be more of a longer-term strategy. It's just to get -- to make waves out in the -- with the wholesale distributors and a lot of the bigger dealers. It just takes time to get out there and push your products through. But we've had some initial success that I would deem as fairly significant with some of the bigger guys out there, and we're hitting the shows this winter and spring. We're in some catalogs. So we've made as much progress as I would have expect to with as much resources as we've thrown at it in the beginning. But we're kind of looking at it as more of a 3-year type process to really see some significant results.

Scott Stember

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

All right. And as far as some of the newer products like awnings, the January results that you guys talked about, is that included in there, have we started shipping products yet?

Jason Lippert

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Yes. We have, it's been minimal to this point but we're started to gain ground. I mean, we typically, when we launch a new product like awnings, it's pretty significant. We're not taking on 10 or 12 customers at once. We're starting with a couple and making sure we work out any kinds of issues that we might not have foreseen in development and continue from there. So it will pick up a lot of steam this year, and we're happy with what we've seen and on schedule.

Scott Stember

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

All right. And last question on the motorized side, you talk about how the proliferation of your products into some of the bigger OEMs there is taking hold?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Yes, I'm very pleased with the way we're making progress there, both with some of the products we've introduced and some new products that -- or some new interest in our existing products. So same as what Jason has said about the aftermarket and the awnings, it's a process. We're not going to see it blow through the roof in the next quarter or 2. But we do expect to make slow or moderate and steady growth.

Jason Lippert

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

I'll say one thing on the motorhomes, Scott. The Schwintek slide-out product that we acquired a couple of years ago, that's having relevant and substantial impact today. That's something that the motorhome guys can plug in and take their slide-outs from below the floor and put them above the floor. And in a slight way, hits all the key target areas that the motorhomes have been looking for, for a long time. So we're making good progress on the slides and even the leveling systems.

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Often, when we talk about that acquisition, that Schwintek acquisition, we focus only on slide-outs, but there were also some nice leveling devices that we got out of that which were, as Jason said, taking hold.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research Group.

Nick Coppola

Analyst · Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research Group

This is Nick Coppola filling in for Kathryn. I wanted to ask more about gross margin expectations for 2012. Given what you said earlier about incremental margins for new products and raw material prices and your ramp-up, what do you think a reasonable expectation is for the full year?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research Group

Well, we don't give forecasts even at the gross margin line. But -- and we do typically, Nick, tend to focus more on the operating margin line because our delivery costs are in SG&A. So we typically focus on the operating line and I would say we're making good progress. We're definitely moving in the right direction both in terms of our operating efficiencies, in terms of our material costs to date. So things are headed in the right direction. But we can't give forecast for the future.

Nick Coppola

Analyst · Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research Group

Yes, understood. And then just on a follow-up question, with any improvement in the overall economy, how did that change, I guess, the landscape for acquisitions? Does it make it any easier to pick up companies?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research Group

I wouldn't think -- it may make it a little easier in one sense, you may have some buyers -- some sellers rather that weren't interested in selling when the market was so low and wanted to put some of the industry growth on their side of the ledger. But I would say, in general, probably not a lot of difference. We have the cash to make acquisitions, and we have the management and experience to continue to grow.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

A couple of questions. On housing, that certainly seems like the best Manufactured Housing quarter in a while. Is there anything that's particularly that's turned on to drive that? Is this oil and gas shale, you've heard some noise about that lately or is this just sort of coming off the bottom for Manufactured Housing general demand?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

I think it's a little bit oil whatever it's calling, yes, the shale. It's a little bit of that. I think when you look at the states that are producing or are -- Manufactured Homes are being shipped to, you do see a little bit into those areas. So that's a good sign. You have to remember that some of the homes produced in fourth quarter were for FEMA, but even backing those out, they were still healthy growth in the fourth quarter. So it's encouraging, but let's talk again in 1 quarter or 2 and if we still see continued growth, then we'll be a little more excited about it. Right now, it's good news and we hope to see more.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Okay. And, I guess, in the text, you talked about the new financing programs for the dealers that contributed to some of the fall demand. Are you seeing anything on a competitive landscape year-over-year in the current first quarter that is either more competitive from a promotional standpoint or less competitive?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

From the point of view of our customers, are they...

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

I guess, to some extent, in driving incremental dealer demand presently or was most of that seen in the fourth calendar quarter?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Jason, have you seen discounting from our customers or other kinds of promotional programs? I'm not aware of anything significant.

Jason Lippert

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Yes. I don't think any of that. I mean, it might have slowed a bit a little bit just during the busy season because dealers need units and there might be a little bit less jacking there, but the discounting is still prevalent.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Okay. And, I guess -- and then, Joe, you had a comment, I think, discussing inventories based on current RV and Manufactured Housing demand, you were talking about present inventories, levels can be reduced relative to sales. What's the channel demand looking like? I guess, if you look at the growth from what was a very strong January, a very strong fourth quarter, what kind of rate are we thinking we run forward at here?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Well, it will depend on the retail demand, I think. Dealers are going to order based upon what they're selling off their lots. And so we'll just have to wait and see. Bret, we don't have a lot of foresight or forward vision into the demand. Our orders, orders that our customers place with us are generally filled relatively quickly. So we don't have a long pipeline.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

I guess, then, maybe another way to ask it, as far as your expectations on your inventory balance, you're talking about inventory levels can be reduced relative to sales. Is there a target inventory level you're balancing [ph] to?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

No. I don't think there's a target. But I do think -- our inventory is churned a little more than 6x a year. I think it was 6 in the quarter give or take in the most recent period and we do think there's some upside room there, a 10% or more upside room.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Okay. And one last question for Jason on the promotional side. Is this -- the environment we're in today relative to the environment we're in 1 year ago from a manufacturer promotion to drive dealer take-up? Is it roughly the same? I mean, is it trending one way or the other year-over-year?

Jason Lippert

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Yes. I don't think it's trending up much or down much. I think that it's probably pretty similar to what we've seen in past years. So, I mean, we still have same number of manufacturers and when you've got the same amount of people vying for the same amount of deals, I think it's going to continue that way until something changes with the manufacturing landscape.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Okay. Are you seeing any incremental dealer take-up on the motorhome side? I mean, it seems like a category they were trying to get pretty light on inventory and then last year, are they buying more product line?

Jason Lippert

Analyst · Bret Jordan with Avondale Partners

Yes, yes. I think that they're starting to see sales tick up a little bit. They're at least starting to feel a little bit more positive about where the dealers at with inventories. So I think it's a good sign. They peel back early as you recall in '08 and didn't come back quite as strong when the towable sector did in '09 and 2010. So there's starting to be a little bit more talk about the motorhome manufacturers having a little bit more to jump up and down about.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your next question is from the line of Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

I have a couple of questions first for Joe. You were slowing down a little bit, you must be getting older but you're still going too fast, but I must commend you for the chart you put in your press release after several quarters of talking about it where you break down these things in writing. It's very helpful. Okay, so now let me go back, first of all, to the RV aftermarket sales and Manufactured Housing aftermarket sales, what were the pro forma numbers assuming you would have had those sales -- those acquisitions that contributed to both of those and then would have been in effect January 1, 2011?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

The acquisitions we made in 2011 would not have impacted either of those aftermarket numbers, Barry.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Neither the aftermarket RV or the aftermarket manufactured housing?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

That is correct.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Okay. And let's go to RV other industry, the Manufactured Housing other industries, I think you rather go up one number that pro forma the RV other industries would have been up $13 million?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

That is correct.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

And I didn't hear anything about Manufactured Housing, other industries' pro forma number.

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Correct. There would not have been any impact as a result of these acquisitions on the MH other category.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Okay. Looking out ahead, given what you're doing in those 2 categories -- those 4 categories, what's your best guess of terms of revenue gains or RV aftermarket sales in Manufactured Housing or after markets sales in '12, as well as other industries for both of them?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Yes. As you know, Barry, we don't give forecast out of our sales growth but as we've said in today's call and on the call last quarter, we do expect to have steady growth in those markets we invested, in the aftermarket, through a new sales team, we've invested in adjacent markets, both through new sales forces and in acquisitions, and we do expect to see steady growth in those markets. Now in the adjacent markets, if you recall the acquisition of Starquest back over the summer, you'd give us a boost. We only had Starquest in, I think -- Starquest had revenues of $22 million range.

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

That was their annual -- roughly their run rate but we were up third.

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Right. So we only had them in 4, 5 months of the year. So we'll have a pick-up there for full year of sales from Starquest, mostly again in adjacent markets in our RV segment.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Okay. Now as far as your content. You said that the pro forma content for towables as if this thing would have all come back to January 1, 2011, would have been $2,560 per towables unit. And so in the month of January, where are you in the towables content per unit in January of '12?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

We don't really issue monthly content because it isn't stable. But I Joe did mention in his speech that the content in the fourth quarter was $2,542, $2, 542. And, Barry, just as an aside, I know we do always rattle off a lot of numbers in these calls, but the transcripts of these calls will get filed with the SEC and in a couple of days or maybe less, there'll be an 8-K, which will be available online. So you'd be able to read them in a couple of days.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Okay. All right. So now as far as manufactured Housing content, I think you said that the content per unit, I believe, was $1,569 last year. Is that correct?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

For 2011, that is correct.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Then there's no pro forma number for that one?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

No -- I mean, one of the acquisitions we made did have some Manufactured Housing content, it would have been in a couple of million dollars more. So it wasn't that significantly different to mention.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Okay. And as far as motorhome content per unit of 2011, what was that number approximately?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Motorhome content for 2000...

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

'11. You gave us a pro forma of $870.

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Yes. The actual was...

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

The actual was just under $700.

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

It was just under $700.

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

$698 or $699.

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

$689.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Okay, all right. All right, that's fine. And now as far as start-up costs to high raw material costs, one product line that you keep mentioning, even though you don't tell us what the product line is, had a negative impact of $0.32, I believe, in your press release for the year. Would you say that you should be able to erase that at the minimum pro forma?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

What do you mean, Barry? You mean that it wouldn't reoccur?

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

No. In other words, you gain the $0.32 on top of what you actually earned of $1.34.

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

If we had -- yes, so if we hadn't had any of those costs, our earnings would have been approximately $0.32 higher. Now some of them will be a similar carryover into the first quarter of 2012. So it wouldn't all show up in 2012, but the significant majority of it would.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Okay. And as far as the extrusion operation, the last time you talked about it in your last call, I think, you talked about a small loss in 2011. Is that what happened on the start up?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Yes, that took a little longer than we expected. So we did incur some more cost but as we said, I think, in the press release, that extrusion operation in the first press is running very well now. I think we've gotten over all the hurdles in terms of quality and productivity, they're running essentially 24/7 on that press. So whatever happened is in the past and going forward, we're looking pretty good.

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

The bottom line there is it's a 4-pressed building to get to where we wanted and it's going to be a process to get into it and through it. And it's progressing just as well as we had hoped it would.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

You think it will be profitable in 2012 on that operation?

Joseph Giordano

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

I hope so.

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

I would say yes. We expect to save costs from that operation in 2012.

Barry Vogel

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Now as far as your acquisition program, is there anything that keeps you from being -- make you less aggressive as you were in the last couple of years to take advantage of your strengths? Or in other words, are you still looking for acquisitions just the way you have in the past few years?

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Barry Vogel with Barry Vogel & Associates

Yes. Yes, we are. I don't see any reason why we would be less aggressive. I think as the industry recovers, we have to be a little more careful, make sure we're paying the right price for acquisitions. But we have the balance sheet to do it. So when the right opportunities come along, we'll certainly look at those acquisitions and hopefully make them. And now that we are targeting new markets, these adjacent markets that we've talked about, our reach in terms of acquisitions in the menu of what might be available has increased.

Operator

Operator

And, gentlemen, there's no other questions at this time.

Fredric Zinn

Analyst · Scott Stember with Sidoti

Okay, very good. Well, I certainly thank all of you for participating. I look forward to speaking with you in the coming months and then again when we release our first quarter 2012 results. Take care.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect, and have a good rest of the day.