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Lakeland Industries, Inc. (LAKE)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Dec 15, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Lakeland Industries’ Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2016 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Chris Ryan, CEO. Please go ahead.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Okay, before we begin, parties are reminded that statements made during this call contain forward-looking information within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Forward-looking statements are all statements other than statements of historical facts, which reflect management’s expectations regarding future events and operating performance and speak only as of today, December 15, 2015. Forward-looking statements are based on current assumptions and analysis made by the Company in light of its experience and its perception of historical trends, current conditions, expected future developments, and other factors it believes are appropriate under circumstances. These statements are subject to a number of assumptions, risks, and uncertainties and factored in the Company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, general economic and business conditions, the business opportunities that may be presented to you and pursued by the Company, changes in law or regulations, and other factors, many of which are beyond the control of the Company. Listeners are cautioned that these statements are not guarantees of future performance, and actual results or developments may differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statements. All subsequent forward-looking statements attributable to the Company or persons acting on its behalf are expressly qualified in their entirety by these cautionary statements. Good afternoon to you all and thank you for joining on our fiscal 2016 third quarter financial results conference call. We are going to provide brief operating statements on the status of operations and on our financial results for the quarter. The call will then be opened up so that we may respond to your questions. Now, I’d like to discuss our financial highlights, operating strategies and the progress that has been made along with our view of our objectives as we move forward. As you may know…

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Thank you, Chris. The following addresses an overview of the third quarter of fiscal year of 2016. First, with the discontinued operations accounting that the Press Release has presented it will be far easier to understand our financial results. The fiscal 2016 third quarter financial results that are discussed on this conference call will be from continuing operations unless otherwise noted. The discontinued operations relate to the operating results and Brazil. As Chris mentioned, we’ve completed the details pertaining to our exit from Brazil but prior thereto we had already exercised discontinued operations accounting for Brazil. Discontinued operations accounting entails the reclassifications of all of the financial results of the Brazil operations within the consolidated financial results of the parent Company and a restatement of prior periods to reflect the same treatment. The global operations of Lakeland Industries excluding Brazil, is shown in financial reports as continuing operations. As of July 31, 2015, Lakeland sold ownership interest of its business in Brazil and effective with the fiscal 2016 third quarter that began August 1, 2015, the Company expects no further losses from those discontinued operations or charges or expenses relating to Brazil beyond the existing accrual of 900,000 which was recorded in the fiscal 2016 second quarter financial results and the items referenced in our filings on subsequent events of third quarter which I’ll address later in my remarks. Onto now review the third quarter results. Net sales from continuing operations increased to 24.9 million for the three months ended October 31, 2015, compared to 23.5 million for the three months ended October 31, 2014, an increase of 6%. U.S. sales increased 1.7 million or 13% due primarily to the strong sales levels in the chemical division related to the Company’s response to the U.S. bird flu, which exceeded the…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Alex Fuhrman of Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

Alex Fuhrman

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Congratulations on another very strong quarter here. First off, Teri I'd love to just get a little bit more color on what you were saying about Brazil and the VAT taxes that the State of Bahia is coming after you for, is there a dollar amount that they claim that you owe them, I'm not sure if I missed that and I know you said that not yet willing at this point to commit to an opinion on the collectability but anything you could give us just to kind of frame up for us kind of the best and worst case scenario here would be helpful? Thank you.

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Under the amnesty the payment of 2.3 million covers the -- there is significant reductions in overall VAT itself due to the amnesty. So the 2.3 covers the two largest VAT claims which we have previously felt that we could drag these out in court for a number of years without being seriously concerned with them. The change in the economic climate in Brazil changed our opinion on that particular strategy and with opening of the amnesty it made much more sense to clean this up now. It's difficult to estimate exactly what the reserves will be, we'll calculate those with our outside counsel and outside accountant in the fourth quarter and determine the cash flow in Brazil and our expectation as to their ability to be able to repay that loan. Does that answer your question or should I elaborate further?

Alex Fuhrman

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

That does help Teri, thank you. And just thinking about the overall business here, I mean is 24 million or 25 million in revenue as you kind of look forward to Q4 and next year, is that kind of a reasonable solid run rate to be thinking about for revenue in the absence of any really significant one-time event?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

For the, you said for the year, for the fourth quarter?

Alex Fuhrman

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Well, I was just looking for the fourth quarter and then…

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Okay, I am sorry.

Alex Fuhrman

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

…and then for the next four quarters as well, next year?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Yes, yes I think so.

Alex Fuhrman

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Okay…

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

I mean, I think that’s a reasonable assumption.

Alex Fuhrman

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

And then just thinking considering most of the big manufacturers in this space are U.S.-based companies. I mean if the U.S. dollar stays as strong as it’s been the last couple of quarters, do you see local currency prices in international markets eventually going up to catch up with the stronger dollar?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

I'm not sure how to speculate on the...

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

When you look at the U.S. dollar, say from the time Reagan became President to to-date it's gone up and down some five or six times. And ultimately, it will swing back and then we'll be getting foreign sales jumping by huge amounts that don't reflect unit increases, just like the unit increases now, are not being reflected in the currencies. A good example might be Russia whose revenues were down 23%, but whose currency was down 54%. So it's obvious that Russia's units were growing, but the currency really took it down 23%, but it was really probably gained 23%. When this changes? I don't know. The head currency guy at HSBC thinks the euro will be at $1.20 next year, not $1.13. But he is not the majority opinion. But eventually it changes, when, I can't tell you.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Doug Ruth of Lenox Financial Services.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Congratulations, this is a really nice report. Could you expand a little bit more, you’ve really are boosting the inventory year-over-year by a pretty significant amount and you seem to have a strategy. Could you maybe share with us that a little bit more?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Okay. The reason we consciously boosted the inventory in our core products, so in anticipation of basically capacity shortages. Now if we turn out to be wrong on that score, we will just give our ladies in China a three week vacation instead of a one week vacation and everything will come back into balance in February. But we believe that if there is any demand anywhere in the world that's out of the ordinary that the capacity strengths in our industry will not be able to address it but we will.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

And I'm looking at the inventory from October 31, 2014, you were at 38.9, so we have a 4.6 million increase. Are you anticipating that much of a demand?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Well, over the course of the next two or three quarters, I think if you look back last year our inventory was the same as it is today.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

No, the inventory a year ago was at 38.9 million.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Was it? Okay. Sorry.

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

But that would have…

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Right, okay. Now as I said, we're anticipating growth out till spring, and if it does not occur, we can easily cut back our inventories.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Is there a large pending order?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

No, there is not and if there was, I couldn't tell you anyway.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

And what about the flame retardant product line and the cold weather product line, is there any update on that?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Other than the fact that the oil business is slipping but that’s exploration, what we see is the shutdowns for maintenance are actually increasing. So it's not a complete wash. We're seeing the exploration go down. It's not being completely replaced by the maintenance. But the maintenance is up over normal. That's the only thing we're really seeing in the FR, because so much of the FR is sold into the petrochemical industry. Other than that, FR is growing.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Okay. And what about the cold weather product that you're developing for China, so…?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Well, that's only for China, and it's not cold enough there yet to really know.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Were there sales for the South Carolina flood?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Yes, there were. It's hard to identify exactly what we sold. But in the case of any flood, any hurricane, typhoon, or cyclone, there is usually flooding. And yes, in Carolina, sales are up because as the waters come down you have a tremendous mold problem and a lot of these mold remediations in residential or commercial housing is insured, so the clean-up gets done eventually and they use our garments; the workers going in cleaning the mold are usually wearing respirators and our type of garments.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Is there an update on the new green product that you’re developing at all?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Yes, we hope to come out with it next year.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Our time with the first half of fiscal year…

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

I can’t get that granular.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

What about the computer system, is there an update on that at all?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

We are working towards that and it will be next year; I wouldn’t put an exact date on it, but before the end of next year, let’s say that, that will be in place, rolled out in the U.S.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

And one of the reasons that got slowed down is because we’re very lean here and between the Ebola, the bird flu and Brazil we really didn’t have the human resources to get it done as quickly as we wanted.

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

We’re making every effort to make sure that we dot our Is and cross our Ts and don’t disrupt the business putting in the system.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

That’s all appreciated and I think you have your priorities in order and I am grateful for what you’re doing there. I also thought that what you did in Mexico was especially impressive. Can you give us any more color on what you’re doing with the mining industry?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

We’re hired three sales people in Mexico they’re all engineers, they all formally worked at a Fortune 500 company. It’s really those three salesmen who were just at the beginning of generating business there. And the only thing again that is really holding them back is the oil and gas business Timex in Mexico generates a lot of revenues for us out of the oil and gas business that obviously slowed down. But nonetheless they’re forging ahead in other industries like mining, and mining is also slowing down but we’re doing quite well in it. So once they are able to penetrate some of the industries that are not basically headed down, we should do even better. So, they’re getting slammed by oil and gas, they’re getting slammed by mining going down, they’re getting slammed by a weak peso, and yet they’re still growing and profitable. So it is a good story but it will even be better next year.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Yes, they’re doing a terrific job for the Company. And my last question, what about the profits in China more than doubled. Could you tell us a bit more about that that was also terrific?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Well, the revenues in China increased okay but I don’t think the profits doubled, I don’t know.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

The operating profit went from 540,000 to 1.16 million?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

For external sales in the Beijing area quarter-over-quarter, is that what you’re looking at?

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Yes, that’s what I am looking at.

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Well, I think that they have hired potential another sales person in China and they did have the Tianjin exempt but I think for the most part you’re talking a shift to higher value products and organic growth.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Well congratulations, it’s a terrific story. You folks are really have the Company operating at a much higher level and I am grateful for the management team’s effort.

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Thank you Doug.

Doug Ruth

Analyst · Lenox Financial Services

Thank you for answering my questions.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Bob Evans of Pennington Capital.

Bob Evans

Analyst · Pennington Capital

A couple of them have been already asked. But getting back to the inventory question, just can you remind me how you revenue things in terms of -- is it basically revenue once it goes to the channel?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Pennington Capital

Revenue is recognized on ships.

Bob Evans

Analyst · Pennington Capital

Okay. So the inventory that you’re showing is predominantly out in the channel is that right so that’s been shipped?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Pennington Capital

The inventory on hand, no that’s Lakeland owned inventory globally, so we have inventory in each country as well as in the U.S. and every country that has a sales office has some level of inventory locally.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Pennington Capital

See our sales are up so we’re not having a problem with inventory. We plan to have this greater inventory.

Bob Evans

Analyst · Pennington Capital

No, no and I understand that and you’re up to the previous caller, you are up about a little over 10% year-over-year and you are saying you’ve got it for an anticipated demand that might come if certain events occur. I am just wondering if we see a -- if those events do not occur, will we see some potential slowdown as you have to bleed off revenue?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Pennington Capital

The inventory…

Bob Evans

Analyst · Pennington Capital

…bleed off inventory excuse me?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Pennington Capital

The inventory that we would stock in the event of a spike in demand are primarily the products that we sell day-in and day-out, anyway these are our strongest volume products. So they would not -- we would not anticipate a slight slowdown in sales resulting in a large reserve because these are products that we move every day.

Bob Evans

Analyst · Pennington Capital

Okay.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Pennington Capital

We built out our very, our core, our big movers, we built out. So, if there is another event, we can then service our bread and butter customers on 90% without any problem whatsoever. On the other hand, since these are our core, the ones that move every day that we sell hundreds of thousands of cases of, if we’re wrong and we go into a recession, we just run it down. And the net-net of it is, is that we have the rental expense and the capital cost during the three months we run it down, which is not a big deal.

Bob Evans

Analyst · Pennington Capital

Okay. And do you expect any bird flu revenue in Q4?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Pennington Capital

In Q4, we can't say, because it all depends on where it breaks out. There has been a small outbreak in France of bird flu. There has been an outbreak of swine flu in India. It's whether these things really get out of hand where they start using some real volume. Generally, the bird flu depends on the temperature. And if the temperature goes below 73 degrees, you can see it. There is a possibility. But I know being in the Northeast it was 66 degrees in New York last Sunday. It's not cold enough for bird flu to breakout yet. It needs a lot much lower temperature.

Bob Evans

Analyst · Pennington Capital

No, so there’s nothing out there in the...

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Pennington Capital

Nothing out there that we can see except the usual stuff, you see pockets of avian flu and pockets of swine flu around the world. It's whether they get them under control. That’s what they did not do that with Ebola, they did not do that with avian flu a couple years ago in Europe, nor did they do it with avian flu in this country, they just let it go.

Bob Evans

Analyst · Pennington Capital

Okay. And then with the, back to Alex’s question on the -- again just to clarify the max exposure on the VAT and then potential max exposure on any additional legal expense?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Pennington Capital

We paid -- we think that we have the legal expense already accrued. The 2.3 million that we paid of course would be the maximum exposure, but it would -- we don’t anticipate having to reserve that full amount. This also removes a lane from the property and the assets held for sale owned by a corporate in the U.S. With those lanes removed, we expect to be able to sell that property 1.1 million is withdrawn on the book for and that's below appraisal. So we anticipate this freeing up some cash flow for the business there in Brazil. There is an encumbrance that's placed on businesses there who have claims in process with the government that's now been removed and they should be able to bid other jobs that they can't currently bid. They should be able to collect on existing receivables, which they lost the right to do with these VAT claims. So we do expect their cash flow improve to the point that they should be able to repay some of this loan, if not all. So the maximum exposure is the whole amount $2.3 million, but that's not management's expectation that we’ll have to reserve that full amount. But again we can't know until later in the month when we are able to discuss this with our accountant.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Pennington Capital

We expect to be conservative with that. And if we’re overly conservative and we do collect the money in the future, then it will just be booked as miscellaneous income.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Hebner of IFS Securities.

Michael Hebner

Analyst · IFS Securities

Yes it looks like this Brazil situation was a huge prompt. How do we stop that and what have you learned to make sure it doesn’t happen in Mexico or Russia or some of these countries in the future?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · IFS Securities

Well, you really can't. But Brazil was an extraordinary situation, which doesn’t really happen that often. We have been operating in China since 1993 and never had much of a problem. We've been operating in South America for years, for 10 years and nothing's happened. We've been operating in Europe and Russia and Kazakhstan, nothing of this nature has ever happened. The only thing I can compare this to is Ecuador where Chevron got an $18 billion judgment for not cleaning up an oil well and of course they'll never pay that but we're not in the situation they are. We're basically just cleaning this up, we felt we got screwed at the arbitration that people were bribed and we got screwed. So we've cleaned it up, I mean this is it, this is the end of it. There's no more Brazil from this point of view, before we said there was some tail liability and we've decided just to clean up this tail liability because many investors particularly prospective ones were saying well you know what about Brazil, what about Brazil, well Brazil is finished now. By doing this the VAT goes away, we've already reserved for all the labor problems and the labor problems are coming out -- in fact we'll probably, I will say we'll probably get away with actually having to reverse some of the reserve on the labor problems. I can't guarantee that but the way it’s going it looks that way.

Michael Hebner

Analyst · IFS Securities

The accounts receivable, comfortable with that number and what's the turn on that, I mean because you are at 14.5 million in sales what 25 million or something so put some color around your accounts receivable and your thoughts?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · IFS Securities

We are comfortable with that as a rule we write off less than $100,000 a year in bad debt on almost 100 million in revenues. So I would say we are comfortable with that.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · IFS Securities

Yes. And some of the receivables go out 90 days on international sales which may you know we do big container sales so you know the customer even though it ships it's got to go across the ocean that's 35 to 40 days. Then we have got to wait 35 to 40 days to get paid so it's out there 70 days a lot of those receivables and some by their terms are 90 days.

Teri Hunt

Analyst · IFS Securities

We did have some direct ship customers in the U.S. who are, they're approximately 90 days at ordering, our best customers are ordering container loans.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · IFS Securities

But as Teri said I can't remember a year where we've ever had more than $100,000 of bad receivables, like in the last ten 10 years.

Teri Hunt

Analyst · IFS Securities

And we have a very good track record on collection.

Michael Hebner

Analyst · IFS Securities

Now with everybody, the Syria and Russia and other nuclear testing and nonsense are we seeing any uptick in like some of the protective equipment for nuclear stuff out there.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · IFS Securities

We are seeing it in the Middle East.

Michael Hebner

Analyst · IFS Securities

Nice.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · IFS Securities

We're seeing a good chemical suit sales growth there in the Middle East, coming out of places like Saudi Arabia.

Michael Hebner

Analyst · IFS Securities

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And the next question will come from Pete Muckerman of Raymond James.

Pete Muckerman

Analyst · Raymond James

And I believe that my question may have been answered. The only question I had was I've been reading about municipalities around the country doing these emergency preparedness exercises in relation to bioterrorism, is that something that you are seeing and that's my only question? Thank you.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Raymond James

Well are calling on the municipalities particularly the fire departments with regard to their stockpiles of chemical suits most of which were bought between 2003 and 2006 and that was in response to 9/11. Most of those chemical suits are beyond warranty so we are beginning to call on people saying if you are thinking about the possibility of a terrorist event like the country was between '01 and say '07 then you should look at the age of your chemical suits to see whether they still even fulfill their certification. Most of the warranties we gave at the time and most of the other major suppliers were five years. They have long since expired.

Pete Muckerman

Analyst · Raymond James

My thought was more than anything that you know God forbid of course that is would happened but I think there will come a day when these terrorists decide that marching into a nightclub and just shooting people be behind them and they will be looking to do something on a larger scale, hopefully that doesn’t happen but of course it seems to be how things progress in like anyway I appreciate you taking the time and congratulations again. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And the next question will come from Jim Gentrup of Val Vista Capital.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Earlier there was a question asked about sales run rate, I am going to turn that around a little bit and talk about your profit potential going forward, you said this quarter it was kind of a clean quarter I think may be just a word you used, you did about…

Christopher Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Well…

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Go ahead.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Well do you want to answer that?

Teri Hunt

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

No, thanks.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Yes, it did not contain any Ebola events I mean Ebola was started really going for us around mid-September through the end of October of last year. So we were comparing -- last year was relatively high because we has six weeks of Ebola and this year we even out did that, we had a little bit of bird flu in August but what we didn't have is we didn't have losses coming from Brazil, we didn't have a lot of things that were going on, when we say this is a fairly normalized quarter, it is a fairly normalized quarter, there were no huge events like bird flu or Ebola, there was a little of bird flu in August and that's it, so this is somewhat of a normal quarter.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

So, it's about $1.16 run rate on an EPS basis, just curious if that's a sustainable or do you think you can have even more efficiency improvement, so can you…

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Well, you do -- it's possible but you do have seasonality in this business. So there are certain quarters that are much stronger for instance our spring quarter is much stronger, I think estimates out there for us are $1.04 we don't give guidance but I feel very comfortable with that, guidance for this quarter was $0.26 and we did 0.29 so we did 10%, roughly 10% better. So…

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

$1.04 for this year?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Yes.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

And then my next question is that just looking out fourth quarter and also beyond, where do you see incremental growth, revenue growth coming from?

Christopher Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

We see that basically in the new products that we will be introducing further penetration of existing business organic growth, now that the top-five people are now spending 50% of their time dealing with Brazil, those people can really go after organic growth and introducing new products and that's where the growth is going to come from.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

And the new products, what markets are they targeting?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

They are targeting many of our markets, they're targeting our municipal fire gear, they are targeting FR, they are targeting chemical, they are targeting disposals we even have a new glove product. So they're targeting all five areas that we operate in.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Okay. So this is really a market share gain versus a…

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Well, in the United States it is market share gain, in the United States it's a very-very big market. The U.S. is probably 40% of the world market for our products. However when we look into Russia or Kazakhstan China, they're growing organically. They're going from what was a zero base 10 years ago and sort of heading towards with the United States is today and it took the United States about 40 -- and about the first 30 years of OSHA they came into compliance but if you looked at something like disposable gallons in 1970 when OSHA was enacted it was probably a $15 million market, now it's a $500 million market. So it increased by 10 times and that's what is basically happening in the developing countries and will happen over the course of the next 30 years. Be it India or Russia or Kazakhstan, or China or many of the Southeastern countries be it Vietnam, Malaysia they are growing I mean they're using more and more. In the United States it is more you got to take market share from somebody else.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

And I know you said, you don't give guidance but what -- I mean does -- looking three to five years out, do you see your Company being doubling sales, I mean, how do you look at your company…?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

We feel that we can grow organically at about 10% a year.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

10% and that's based on market share gains from new products and international [Multiple Speakers].

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Right. In some quarters it will be 6% other quarters it will be 13%. It's not just 10% every quarter but on an average -- the year is the best measure of this Company.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

And Chris, we're not talking about the one-time emergency type right, we're talking about base level type, just want to make that clear, right?

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

That's right.

Jim Gentrup

Analyst · Val Vista Capital

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Mike Distler. Please go ahead.

Mike Distler

Analyst

As you know as a real long-term shareholder that I am I just want to say and this is not a question, because I’ll cross that, congratulations to you and the team and without any slur to go at the crowd great job Teri on the call. Judging from the number of folks on this call obviously interest is up because consistency of earnings looks to be there, so terrific. As you know our go overall with the financials come later. In any case though I am looking forward to the new products and since it’s the season I just wanted to say have a great holiday and happy, healthy and prosperous New Year you have deserve it and just perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] I am showing no additional questions. This will conclude the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Chris Ryan

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Okay. We appreciate your participation on Lakeland’s fiscal 2016 third quarter financial results conference call. As we are committed to delivering value for our shareholders, we believe this is best achieved for Lakeland Industries through the continued implementation of strategies for effectively managing its balance sheet, controlling expenses and capitalizing on long-term global growth initiatives. We are very encouraged by our growth prospects, as we are well-positioned to grow organically through overall market expansion, as well as capturing the market share. Thank you very much. Good bye.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.