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Operator
Good day, and welcome to the Third Quarter Fiscal 2024 Key Tronic’s Corporation Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Brett Larsen. Please go ahead.
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Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, May 7, 2024
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Operator
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the Third Quarter Fiscal 2024 Key Tronic’s Corporation Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Brett Larsen. Please go ahead.
Brett Larsen
Management
Good afternoon, everyone. I am Brett Larsen, Chief Financial Officer of Key Tronic. I would like to thank everyone for joining us today for our investor conference call. Joining me here in our Spokane Valley headquarters is Craig Gates, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Tony Voorhees, our Vice President of Finance and Corporate Controller As always, I would like to remind you that during the course of this call, we might make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding future events or the company's future financial performance. Please remember that such statements are only predictions. Actual events or results may differ materially. For more information, you may review the risk factors outlined in the documents the company has filed with the SEC, specifically our latest 10-K, quarterly 10-Qs and 8-Ks. Please note that on this call, we will discuss historical financial and other statistical information regarding our business and operations. Some of this information is included in today's press release, and a recorded version of this call will be available on our website. Today, we released our results for the three months ended March 30, 2024. For the third quarter of fiscal 2024, we reported total revenue of $140.5 million compared to $164.6 million in the same period of fiscal year 2023. Revenue for the third quarter of fiscal 2024 was constrained by approximately $5 million, due to severe winter weather events that took Key Tronic’s facilities in Mississippi and Arkansas, offline for approximately two weeks. In addition, we saw a softening demand for a number of different programs produced in Mexico. For the first nine months of fiscal 2024, our total revenue was $433.7 million compared to $425.5 million in the same period of fiscal 2023. For the third quarter of fiscal 2024, our margins and profitability were…
Craig Gates
Management
Okay. Thanks Brett. During the latter half of fiscal 2024 we were taking necessary steps to reduce our workforce in Mexico due to the softening demand for a number of different programs with high support labor content with an expected to save us more than $10 million annually. In the coming quarters, we expect sales from Mexico based production to recover due to recently won programs and we do not anticipate needing to increase our headcount in coming periods, reflecting the significant improvements to our operating efficiencies. At the same time our work site is being restructured to focus on higher volume manufacturing, while lower volume products with higher service loan requirements will migrate to our other sites. We're also pleased to see overall improvements in our operating efficiencies and inventory levels and other improvements made on the balance sheet. During the quarter, we continued to expand our customer base, winning new programs, involving up to $20 million in energy management account, around $5 million in the telecommunications account, around $3 billion in consumer audio account and around $5 billion in industrial manufacturing account. The strong pipeline of new business underscores that continued trend towards onshoring and dual sourcing or contract manufacturing. Global logistics problems in China US geopolitical tensions continue to drive OEMs to examine their traditional outsourcing strategies. We believe these customers increasingly realize that they have become overly dependent. Are there China-based contract manufacturers for that only product but also for design and logistics services? Over ime the decision to onshore nearshore production is becoming more widely accepted as a smart long-term strategy. As a result we see opportunities for growth and those opportunities are becoming more clearly defined. At the same time, we are seeing a sustained trend of strong Mexican peso and continued increases in…
Operator
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Bill Dezellem with Titan Capital. Please go ahead.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
Thank you. Craig, you preempted my first question, but I did miss the energy management. What was the size of that one?
Craig Gates
Management
Bill, it was like parting gift to you. That was up to $20 million.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
Okay. That's excellent. Thank you. Would you please walk through each of these and highlight maybe important aspects to them, whether they're existing customers or whether they are new customers? What was -- what, if anything was unique about these wins that highlight the competitive advantage that you all have or something else interesting. And I do appreciate the parting gift.
Craig Gates
Management
Thank you. You're welcome. The first one is an interesting one because this -- it's a new customer. This customer came to us almost two years ago and had an edict that they needed to significantly increase their outsourcing in Mexico. And – they played a significant role in helping us upgrade our metal coating capability because they have a very high-end requirement for withstanding the salt spray test. So after a number of changes to our chemistry and in our painting process, we were able to pass that long-term salt spray test. And since then, the floodgates have opened and they have been giving us more quotes and awards than we can handle. So that's been a two-year success story that we were never sure was really the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow the customer was telling us, but our technical folks hung in there. And in the end, it's going to be a very nice and longstanding program.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
And so is this a single program? Or is this up to $20 million, one of the many programs that they are giving you?
Craig Gates
Management
It's already more than one program, and there are many more to come.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
That's helpful. And the other three?
Craig Gates
Management
The other three are pretty much run of the mill in terms of standard reasons why they chose Key Tronic. The consumer audio is a customer in-house today. This was just a new program, right? The other two are new customers and new programs for Key Tronic.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
Thank you. That's helpful. And then if I may, jumping to the softening demand that's referenced in the press release and then possibly Brett, in your opening remarks, you referenced that, that has maybe even turned to a rebound, would you pull all of that together for us, please?
Brett Larsen
Management
This is somewhat of a COVID hangover. A lot of people, you and I have discussed this. We're concerned a year ago that there was a massive COVID hangover. And what we found is that it's scattered and spotty. A couple of our large customers did have too much inventory that they had built or had us build for them as parts became available and what we're really come driven false demand signals, tempted them to continue building at a high rate, but it wasn't widespread and as we've seen just in the last two or three months, those customers have drawn their inventory down of the products we make for them to the point that they're forecast and orders are rebounding to the normal throughput levels that we would expect. So that's really -- that's the overall set of circumstances, it's governing what we talked about as a softening and then a slight return of muted return, I think we used toward.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
So from your standpoint, if you were to look out just from an overall economic view, is it your sense that demand continues reasonably strong, I'll call it, end demand, and now you've worked through some inventory, excess inventory and so we -- that volatility, if we were to exclude that, we're discontinuing with more of the same of decent demand. Is that a fair way to look at what you're experiencing?
Brett Larsen
Management
Yes.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
Great. Thank you. And then let me jump to the severance, if I may. Severance came late in the quarter, as you pointed out. Why was that? Because this is something, if I recall that we talked about on the last call, and so I would have expected it maybe to happen sooner.
Brett Larsen
Management
Well, when you affect people's lives and many of these people have been with us for quite some time, you want to be absolutely sure, you're doing the right thing and you're doing it with the right people. So it took us a little longer than we thought to get it done, but we are confident that we have done it in a caring and professional manner and done what needed to be done.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
And Craig, this sounds a little bit different than layoffs that you have had in the past where demand falls off and line workers are laid off. I'm just getting a different vibe than historical layoffs. Am I over reading into this? Or is there something more to be discussed here?
Craig Gates
Management
There's a lot more to be discussed because these layoffs represent a significant strategic change in how we view Mexico versus America versus China versus Vietnam. We tried to get at it in my prepared remarks, but actually the way I think about it is a little bit more simpler and crude, I think in the flowered way we put it. That is in the past year, six months to the year there's been a C change in the average makeup of the customers who are interested in Mexico. So take this as clear as this is the average. It's not every customer, but what's happened is that the people who wanted to be in China, but are not being allowed to do so by management, [indiscernible] are now making up a significant portion of the folks that are interested in more ads. So those people were either in China or were headed to China and they were going -- China driven mainly by costs and we're willing to accept a lack of flexibility in moving orders in and out, lack of ability to send their engineers into the factory of short term lack of ability to get their parts here and a week rather than a month and a half back of ability to do business in English versus the mix. So they had companies had become used to all that or were ready to endure all that in return for the lowest possible price they could get. A lot of those people are being told it's too risky, you're not going to go to China and figure something else out. So they end up knocking on our door, but they had sticker shock when they saw the cost that we were proposing out of rewards plan because the…
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
That's a really insightful. Thank you Craig. And so these -- because these are not your standard line workers that you'll bring back with higher production rates, your cost structure is permanently being lower than is what you're saying?
Craig Gates
Management
Yes.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
Does it somehow also affect the capacity of the facility. And I'm not -- not necessarily the layoffs Craig, but the restructuring to have essentially less flexibility. That sounds to me like you'll have more hours of lines up and running and fewer and less time down with the customer noodling over whether they ought to do something a little different or whatever. Is that correct interpretation or not?
Craig Gates
Management
It is. And in fact we have groomed a very small number of customers who no longer fit into the model that you just described. So it will result in more product being made with less line workers because every time you have to shut a line down and change it over, not only did you have to have a bunch of engineers and quality folks and material handlers out there swapping line over, inevitably, you couldn't time it perfectly. So you had line workers who were milling around waiting for some part or some process to come up the way it should. So it's going to turn much more into a bang, bang, slapping parts together. And I don't want to say that in a low quality news. But it's going to be a lot more of just run something at high volume than it is switch over every 10 minutes because the customer called up and it's freaking out.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Craig Gates
Management
That type of work is migrating back to the states because people are willing to pay even more to get that level of service than they have been in the past.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
Fascinating. Okay. Thank you. And then lastly, if we exclude the severance and the winter weather shutdown, then we're looking at $0.13 of earnings is what would have happened had you not had the one intended event and then the weather that surprised you?
Craig Gates
Management
Yeah.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
Okay, great. Well, thank you. And I'll let others ask additional questions. But thank you for all the time you have given me on these conference calls to ask questions over the last maybe even 60 calls. So thank you. Appreciate it. And Brett, we look forward to working more with you in the future.
Brett Larsen
Management
Thank you, Bill. You're more than welcome. And we've appreciated your insightful questions also.
Bill Dezellem
Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Bob Poole with Bricoleur Capital.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
Hi, guys. So I'd like to apologize in advance, because I'm going to ask some tough questions and make some tough comments. And I hope you'll -- I think they need to be asked and the comments need to be made. So but I do apologize in advance, because this usually a pretty friendly forum. So first of all, I want to sort of wage a protest that the way you present your financial results is totally out of line with -- I follow hundreds of companies. And you're the only one who presents your results the way you do, without making adjustments for things like severance and so forth and presenting your results and your guidance. After things like severance, nobody else does that. And I don't think that there's any special pass to financial heaven for being so puritanical in that presentation. Brett, you and I've discussed this a little bit. How do you feel about this going forward?
Brett Larsen
Management
Your comments are noted next.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
Okay. So the guidance is very hard to understand. And I'll tell you why. You have you're basically projecting flat revenues from the third quarter to the fourth quarter. And on 140 million of revenues, you had a $575,000 loss in Q3. That included 3.7 million of Mexican severance. So that should not exist in the fourth quarter. You're taking out 10 million a year or 2.5 million of per quarter in Mexican labor that should not be there in fourth quarter. I think the impact of the peso is likely to be -- you've probably taken out half of your expenses in Mexico. The -- if the impact of the peso, assuming it stays around the same level, there hasn't been a significant, it seems to be pretty flat so far this quarter, that that should be 750 better in the fourth quarter. Which should bring -- if something else wasn't going on, that would bring operating income to $6.4 million, $6,375,000. Taking into account, the 1% increase in your bank spread that's probably about $1.2 million a year or $300,000 a quarter. So that keeps your interest from $2.8 to $3.1. That brings pre-tax income to $3.275, 20% tax rate brings you to roughly $2.6 million in after tax income on 10.8 million shares. That's $0.24 a share. You're talking about $0.3 to $0.10 a share. If I make the adjustment for the new information that Brett gave about $500,000 to $1 million more in severance in the fourth quarter, if I take that out, that gets you to $0.19 a share. So what am I missing? What haven't you told us that is negative in the fourth quarter that accounts for the difference between $0.03 to $0.10 and $0.19?
Brett Larsen
Management
Well, that's a lot of moving pieces. I will let you know. I don't know that I agree with all of your adjustments. Our expectations...
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
Hey, come on then, please, Brett. Brett, tell me where I'm wrong.
Brett Larsen
Management
I'm not going to get into an argument here. It's not worth it, but I will let you know that the pace of recovery of $750,000 is not accurate. And I'm also ensuring that you know the cost structure of the year anticipating of the $10 million, that's not immediate that that that is ramping over four quarters. So, both of those I think are likely incorrectly calculated and no additional material events are included in that projection of fourth quarter results.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
So, can you explain why if you've terminated all of these people, why you're not and the -- and the savings in a year's $10 million, why is it not $2.5 million a quarter?
Brett Larsen
Management
Because it's not -- we're not done with severances. We mentioned that we still have $500,000 to $1 million of severance to occur in the fourth quarter. Those have not been fully done even as of today. And we also mentioned that that would take up to six months to fully recover that severance amount. So, to be able to say that that we're recovering $2.5 million of expenses in the fourth quarter net of what we're paying in severance, this is not accurate.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
So, actually Brett, if you go back, you've paid $3.7 million severance so far and let's say you pay another $1 million, that's $4.7 million. That -- if you're going to get that back in six months, that's about $2.5 million a quarter Brett?
Brett Larsen
Management
Again--
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
I'm running working with your numbers, Brett. So, it's not like I'm making this stuff up you know.
Brett Larsen
Management
Bob we are talking a few hundred thousand dollars, $0.19 and our $0.10.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
That's about a $1 million.
Brett Larsen
Management
That fourth quarter severance is still in process.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
Right. So, yes, so I've taken that out to get to the $0.19.
Brett Larsen
Management
I don't -- I disagree as well with your effective tax rate, I think you need to go back and recalculate that, particularly coming off of a loss in third quarter.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
You told us back in your guide--
Brett Larsen
Management
25%.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
Is that what the is that with the -- Yes. So, you need to update your business outlook because it's says 20% Brett.
Brett Larsen
Management
Correct.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
So, I'm working with your numbers. I mean you guys kind of get this together and it's really bad. Okay. Next question. You're sort of talking about a strong backlog business coming back, yet revenues really if you account for the fact that you lost $5 million of revenues last quarter that should have been $145 for the quarter and now you're projecting you know sort of $140 at the midpoint. And Bill kind of asked this question, but it's hard to reconcile your comments about business getting better and having a strong backlog and another 3% to 4% decline in revenues. How do you reconcile those?
Brett Larsen
Management
I think the words I used were muted.
Bob Poole
Analyst · Bricoleur Capital.
Well, that's net negative. That's not muted benefit. That's that muted decline?
Brett Larsen
Management
Well, as you said Bob, this is becoming unpleasant and I don't intend to argue with you semantics of what we said, we're giving you a true representation of our belief of the revenue going forward. We're giving you a true representation of the backlog we have and we're giving you a true representation of the new customer pipeline we have as well with new quotes. So, that's that.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of George Melas with MKH Management. Please go ahead.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Maybe just a question about the layoffs in this February and Craig you mentioned $10 million per day. When but when do you expect to get that $10 million in savings? And how much you expect that in the June quarter ending the quarter subtle after that?
Craig Gates
Management
So, the quarter we're in right now we're going to get a portion of it. And as we get into July, August, September, we should be see most of it per quarter.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Okay. So, does that mean that by September, you're at the full run rate of $10 million?
Craig Gates
Management
Yes, that's correct. Yes.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Okay, great. That's helpful. And what -- how much are you gaining in the June quarter?
Craig Gates
Management
It is roughly between $1.5 million and $2 million.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Okay. And why is that? Is that because more we reestablish the nuance, but you're going to let go everybody as of March 31st, is that what it is?
Craig Gates
Management
That is correct.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Okay. Very good. Then a question that relates to what Bill was asking. Do you actually have some customers migrating from Mexico to Brazil. As they look at if you are reducing your -- capability in Mexico, having it – fewer4 people to handle the project. The customers that you still have there that have these expectations. How do you manage that? I mean are we going to have like a bifurcated service almost in Mexico, the legacy customers have a certain kind of expectations and for the new customers it's a different set of expectations.
Craig Gates
Management
Yes that's a very perceptive question. What we're moving from is a factory that was loaded with the overall ability to handle anything that happens at any customer at any time. And we're moving to a factory that is specifically loaded by customer to provide whatever services the customer decides that they would like to pay for. So it's almost impossible. At least we found it to be so to control costs when you're peanut butter doing it over the entire facility are nine facilities. When you have specifically talked with existing and new customers about what is it you're looking for and this is your base price. And if you want to be able to call us and switch back and forth in the day we're going to have to add this much support labor. And if you're not willing to pay for in Mexico but you want it then you probably ought to go somewhere else. And if you do want to pay for it, maybe it makes more sense at the levels you think you're going to need to move to the states. And so we have seen some customers who have decided to move their production two our one of our facilities in the States.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Some [indiscernible] to Mexico or to [indiscernible]in the US?
Craig Gates
Management
Yes not a large amount but some
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Okay. Yes I am just confused about how you run a plant like this or nine facilities always -- a different set of expectations among different customers. And in a way I sort of love the fact that we were sort of like a real differentiation and design the handling difficult job that then were sticky. But it seems that these new customer is not really that, they're pretty commodity oriented guy. Well maybe not – way too mismatch in to….
Craig Gates
Management
No. It’s a really good question and I want to make sure we're perfectly clear on it because it's a very key strategic portion of our thinking through. Okay. So we talk about design capabilities with difficult designs and difficult products that make those products sticky. Those designs and those processes come out of the engineering staff in Spokane. The ability to manage a poorly designed or dodgy product that Key Tronic did design that we just transferred that has to come out of the folks in [indiscernible]. So when we cut our ability to provide service on a peanut butter level that means that if a customer wants to transfer to us a product that has a dodgy process, we know upfront say yes, we don't we don't want to call your baby ugly, but your baby's kind of ugly and realize that you have quotes from other suppliers that are lower than our quote and we are happy to give you a quote that would be dirt floor levels of engineering support, but you're not going to succeed building this product with this design in a factory without engineering services. So we're either going to have to agree that our price is going to be higher than what you're hoping for or we're going to have to help you change the design or you're going to have to go somewhere else with this product. So that's I don't know if that helps you, but that is a little bit of insight to how we're doing it. And then secondly with customers that have said yes, we want we want this level of service. It's much easier to control the costs since we already have a lot of practice in creating miniature factories within factories. So we have a…
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
It does make sense. It's an interesting thing to manage. Let me ask a question here that's related to that. So, does that mean that the conversation that you have with your customers is meaningfully different than it was before?
Craig Gates
Management
Yes.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
It's almost like you're proposing alternatives for them, and they can choose from that, but you didn't do that really before.
Craig Gates
Management
We didn't have the opportunity to say, if you want to come to Juarez and be a low-cost, low-service customer, here is your new price, because we didn't have the capability of removing all of that peanut-buttered overhead from our cost structure on a given quote. And even if you could do that, it takes a while to figure out on a human product, what that cost should be if you're trying to come up with a new formula. And if you can't do that quickly, it's hard to convince the customer that you actually are going to have that ability to give them what they want in very, very low cost, low service. So, we have right now almost 80 active quotes and people want two to three weeks of response time on a quote. And if you're trying to recalculate your cost pressure every time you get a weird product, you can't do it quick enough. It's much easier to add, then it needs to try to find way subtract.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Okay. And if you look at your customers now in Juarez, they are mostly the niche. They mostly the high service customers. The low cost is still a very small group, but do you think that's where the growth will come?
Craig Gates
Management
No, that's not true. It's a mix. Part of the revelation is on this is that as we were being forced by the wage rates and the peso, as we're being forced to raise prices across the board on customers, we realized that the low service customers were going to bolt. And as we struggled to figure out how we could keep those customers in the face of these wage and peso problems, that was part of our revelation on, okay, wait a minute, we're in a different market now.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Got it. Okay. Super interesting. I had one more question, obviously, But in a way, if we go back two years ago, this would have come to you guys a little bit as a surprise Well, I guess it was for upon you, as you said, partly by the wage rates in the peso and then accelerated by the demand of some the people who were operating in China?
Craig Gates
Management
It actually goes back four years to the beginning of COVID and the gradual and accelerating and to the answer every single procurement agent we spoke with to the question of where should I be? The answer was China. And as COVID, and Trump, and China, and states, and tariffs, and supply chain, and all of that is added together, and I'm not sure the general public knows this, but it used to be a 100% in-fashion call, if you got a bunch of OEM, CEOs together five years ago, it would be almost embarrassing for them to say they were building anywhere, but China. They would be asked, what are you thinking? Their Board would be asking them, what are you thinking, why are you not in China? That has changed dramatically now as a result of all those economic and political and physical events that have happened in the last four years, so that the market we are operating in is dramatically different than the one we were in five years ago, four years ago. And that's why we were doing what we were doing five years ago, and that's why we're changing what we're doing now.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Okay. Great. And then maybe a couple of more questions. From a gross margin perspective, is -- and I think the idea is to try to get back to a 9% gross margin or maybe even higher is that still a possibility? Or does that sort of new strategy actually impair that?
Craig Gates
Management
I think it's still a possibility. I don't think the strategy impairs it. And I think the ability to build more faster with less people -- is a help rather than a hindrance to that
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Okay. Great. Craig, thank you very much for everything, for your time, for your answers. And you're not going away, so I’m happy about that and Brett and Tony, best of luck with everything. We'll have many more presentations.
Craig Gates
Management
Thanks, George. It's been good, knowing you.
George Melas
Analyst · MKH Management. Please go ahead.
Thank you.
Craig Gates
Management
Yes.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Bill Dezellem with Tieton Capital. Please go ahead. Q – Bill Dezellem: I actually have a follow-up relative to something that I believe, Craig, you said in one of your remarks that by structuring are to be lower cost, you're opening yourselves up to a much larger market. Number one, did I hear that correctly? And then secondarily, by -- by default, also structuring the US maybe to be more of that high touch in a more maybe a more obvious way, and I know it's been that all along, but maybe a more obvious way, is that in any way expanding your potential market?
Craig Gates
Management
I don't think it changes to the US-based facilities are any more obvious than they have been in the past. They were structured to be high service at a price the changes to war has that flow through and result in bids and quoting being lower than what they used to be is a change that results in a bigger available market to us. Q – Bill Dezellem: Do you have a quantification on that?
Craig Gates
Management
No. Q – Bill Dezellem: And then one additional question, please. You mentioned you have 80 quotes today. How does that compare to what we would have seen over the course of the last couple of years?
Craig Gates
Management
It's much higher. Q – Bill Dezellem: By a factor of 2% or 5% or 5%.
Craig Gates
Management
Oh, no, it's probably a factor of -- there are times where we had quotes maybe 20 or 30 in the funnel. Q – Bill Dezellem: This is at least at least double, if not quadruple, maybe what you were accustomed to running at before.
Craig Gates
Management
Yes. Q – Bill Dezellem: Great. Well, congratulations, and I look forward to a few more of those at the up to $20 million mark.
Craig Gates
Management
Us, too. Q – Bill Dezellem: Enjoy your retirement.
Craig Gates
Management
Thanks.
Operator
Operator
This concludes today's question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back to Craig Gates for any additional or closing remarks.
Craig Gates
Management
Okay. Thank you, everyone, for participating in today's conference call. I'll speak for Brett and Tony you and I say they look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Adios.
Operator
Operator
This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.