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Kontoor Brands, Inc. (KTB)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 5, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Kontoor Brands' Second Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is my pleasure to introduce Eric Tracy, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may now begin.

Eric Tracy

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and welcome to Kontoor Brands' second quarter earnings conference call. Participants on today's call will make forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and are subject to uncertainties that could cause actual results to materially differ. These uncertainties are detailed in documents filed with the SEC. We urge you to read our risk factors, cautionary language and other disclosures contained in those reports. Amounts referred to on today's call will often be on an adjusted dollar basis, which we clearly defined in the news release that was issued earlier this morning. Adjusted amounts excluded the impact of restructuring and separation costs, business model changes and other adjustments. Reconciliations of GAAP measures to adjusted amounts can be found in the supplemental financial tables included in today's news release, which is available on our website at kontoorbrands.com. These tables identify and quantify excluded items and provide management's view of why this information is useful to investors. Unless otherwise noted, amounts referred to on this call will be in constant currency, which exclude the translation impact of changes in foreign currency exchange rates. Constant currency amounts are intended to help investors better understand the underlying operational performance of our business, excluding the impacts of shifts in currency exchange rates over the period. Joining me on today's call are Kontoor Brands' President and Chief Executive Officer, Scott Baxter and Chief Financial Officer, Rustin Welton. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. We anticipate the call will last about one hour. Scott?

Scott Baxter

Analyst

Thanks, Eric, and thank you, all, for joining us. The momentum Kontoor experienced to begin the year continued in the second quarter, with results coming in well above our expectations. Our performance in the quarter once again illustrates the power of the KTB model, which affords us the opportunity to not only deliver on our near-term goals, but also to continue to invest in the strategic growth catalysts outlined at our recent Investor Day. A huge thank you to our colleagues all around the world, and a special call out to the teams engaged in the implementation of our ERP platform during the quarter, as their incredible efforts are helping to transform our organization. Hopefully, you had a chance to attend our recent Virtual Investor Day, where we communicated our strategic vision for catalyzing growth over the next three years. During horizon one, we optimized our model and set the foundation for growth. As we execute on horizon two strategies, we expect to leverage investments to drive more sustained, profitable growth. We expect to accelerate revenue, primarily driven by focusing on the following growth catalysts. First, enhancing and accelerating our core US wholesale business; second, elevating our D2C in digital ecosystem; third, expanding the brands internationally, particularly in the China region; and fourth, diversifying our product mix through category extensions, including outdoor, workwear, and T-shirts. And to support this growth, we continue to invest behind critical TSR accretive enablers including enhancing demand creation platforms, scaling product in manufacturing innovation, with sustainability and ESG as our guiding tenants, unlocking efficiency and productivity gains through the implementation of our global ERP in digital infrastructure, and finally leveraging our world-class talent to build a purpose-led high performance and increasingly growth-minded culture. And we have increased optionality within our capital allocation strategy, which is…

Rustin Welton

Analyst

Thank you, Scott. And thank you all for joining us on today's call. As Scott mentioned, we are very pleased with our strong second quarter results that exceeded our expectations, and I look forward to walking you through the details shortly. Before we dig into the quarter though, I'd like to briefly recap two key financial strategies that we outlined during our Investor Day. First, we reviewed in detail what we refer to as our virtuous cycle. Specifically, this refers to our strategy to grow revenue and expand gross margins to create the oxygen in our P&L and allow us to distort investments in our brands and capabilities to drive future top line growth while delivering enhanced operating margins. Our second quarter is a powerful illustration of how we are continuing to execute on this strategy to drive meaningful improvement in our fundamentals. Delivering near-term performance, while investing for long term growth, is a cornerstone of our financial strategy. Accordingly, I'd like to provide an update on one of our key investment areas, our global ERP and IT infrastructure project. On our first quarter earnings call, we announced that we successfully went live early in the second quarter in our largest region, North America. Today, I'm pleased to announce that we also successfully went live early in the third quarter in Europe, our third and final region. While still early days, particularly for Europe, these implementations represent significant milestones for Kontoor, and I want to thank the organization for their tremendous efforts on these major accomplishments. These IT investments have both short and long-term implications on our operations and results. In the short term, our quarterly cadence was affected by timing shifts in shipments in advance of the implementations. As expected, this resulted in net transitory pressure during our second…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first questions come from the line of Jay Sole with UBS. Please proceed with your questions.

Jay Sole

Analyst

Great, thank you so much. You just obviously raised the guidance today. And the tone and some of the things you mentioned sounds like you have confidence in that raised guidance, but can you just talk us through a little bit more and maybe elaborate on what's giving you confidence to be able to raise the guidance today and looking forward why you might be ahead of your Investor Day plan?

Scott Baxter

Analyst

Hey, Jay, how are you? It is Scott. Good morning. Thanks for the question. Jay, when we look at it, it goes back to our strategy from the very beginning on how we started this and the amplification of the brands. We knew - and the reason we wanted to spend is we had such a great opportunity ahead of us. And these brands were super powerful, but they hadn't been invested in. Well, now we're starting to see with this incredible investment that we're making supported by some really strong demand creation programs, my hats off to our global demand creation teams, and we're starting to see the brands really come to life. What I'm most pleased with is how we're communicating with the consumers around the globe, and how that's a two-way communication that's really taking root. And we think there's a lot more there, as far as the future. There's some uncontrollables in the background, but you saw how well we handled that during the pandemic, which I thought was really important. We've got an incredible playbook. And we're really happy about what's happening here. Going forward, we've got some visibility in the future from a business development standpoint, from a category extension standpoint and geography. So, that's all reflected in our guidance. But just to sum it up is, we wanted to take this company public, because we knew we really had something special in these brands and that's starting to come to life as we play out our strategy.

Jay Sole

Analyst

Understood. Maybe if I can ask one more, just on that point. You mentioned the virtuous cycle of growth and company seems to be funding a lot of that demand creation, Scott, that you mentioned, with the strong gross margin gains. It sounds like you're talking about the top line could really accelerate - top line growth rate, I mean, could accelerate over the long term, and even in the second half a year. Is that fair? And maybe just can you connect the dots for us on how these demand creation investments are really going to - whether it's category expansion or new business wins, like how that's really going to drive the top line to appropriate above maybe what we've seen in the past?

Rustin Welton

Analyst

Yeah, good morning, Jay. It is Rustin; I'll go ahead and take that. Yeah, you absolutely are correct on the virtuous cycle. It's something we talk about quite a bit. Our strategy really is to start to grow that top line revenue, which you've seen us do over the last several quarters, and expand gross margins to create that oxygen in the P&L. And so you've seen some pretty significant gross margin gains as well, with some of the efforts we've taken to obviously distort and accelerate growth in a more creative channels, quality of sales, restructuring actions, and that's creating that oxygen in the P&L. That's really allowing us to distort investments in the brands and capabilities that Scott talked about earlier, to drive that future top line growth while delivering the enhanced operating margins. And I think that's really important. You've heard us talk a lot about earning our way to investing into these brands and we're clearly doing that, and you're seeing the investment start to manifest. And I think this quarter's results are a great illustration of kind of how that virtuous cycle comes to life.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Erinn Murphy with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your questions.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst

Great, thanks. Good morning. I was hoping you could speak a little bit more about the shelf space games that you're securing across a number of new categories and retailers, and if you could talk about the phasing of some of these new programs? And then a follow up for Rustin, I guess relatedly, why would that not imply a better than a 2% back half sales guide? I mean, by running the math, if we're at mid-teens, it feels like the back half is around 2%. So, just curious with some of the selling, why that would not be higher?

Scott Baxter

Analyst

Good morning, Erinn. I'll go ahead and start. Yeah, we're really pleased, Erinn. One of the things is the brands hadn't had a chance to go ahead and really flex what they can do and the consumer has really shown us a really big opportunity for us to go ahead into different categories and channels. And one of the things that we did is, from the very beginning, we identified several categories, outdoor, workwear and T-shirts that are really fundamental to what we do. And we have seen that as we've gone ahead and built - and this is a great complement to our teams, built incredible product at a really great value with a trusted brand and brought those to these different categories that we've seen really good acceptance, and we've seen really good shelf safe shelf space, as you mentioned, acceptance. And that has been translating for a while, as we've talked about in several of our last calls. But now it's really starting to take hold. And we talked about outdoor in our last couple of calls with some big programs internationally and domestically, and now we're just layering on what some really key customers like Academy here, at Intersport in Europe. And workwear was a big topic as Investor Day, really important for us from a category standpoint, and we had a customer that was going to come in with almost 2000 doors. And because the program is so good, the product is so good and it's such a great value, we're going to come in at 3300 doors in the fall. So another great example of how we're phasing that in. And then we've talked a little bit from a T shirt standpoint, a big $100 billion category, which complements our bottoms denims business really well for both genders globally, a category we should be stronger in. We've hired a really good team there. We're really excited about that. And we're going to address that several different categories and areas within T-shirts. And we've won a couple of big programs here recently, which we're really pleased about, 1700 plus doors that will happen both in fall and spring. So, as you can see, a lot of concentrated efforts into these categories that we hadn't been in before, but are really complimentary to what we do, as a company.

Rustin Welton

Analyst

Hi, Erinn. Good morning. It is Rustin. I'll take the second part of your question about the sales improvement in the back half. You're correct in terms of when you look at the guide that we issued this morning, it implies a low-single digit back half improvement relative to 2020. But I also want to highlight you have to take into consideration as well the strategic exits that we made in the fourth quarter of 2020, specifically to reduce the VFO fleet in half, discontinue the sale of third-party branded goods in all of our domestic outlets, and then transition the India business from direct to a licensed model. All of those are weighted disproportionately, a little bit more towards the back half, because, clearly, Q2 was most impacted last year, as it related to COVID. And so, you need to take that into consideration at mid-single digit annual impact from those strategic exits as well, a little bit more weighted on that back half. Hopefully that helps answer your question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Adrienne Yih with Barclays Plc. Please proceed with your questions.

Adrienne Yih

Analyst · Barclays Plc. Please proceed with your questions.

Good morning, everybody and congratulations. Great quarter. Scott, so I always like to ask you about sort of high level trends. Levi's recent success with their denim offering, the strength it is owning. I know it is not exactly your price point, but buckle reporting kind of blowout numbers over '19. And so how are you seeing back-to-school denim shaping up? And then how do you foresee it, as we go into kind of the back half the year? More importantly, how long can that trend last? And then for Rustin, really want to focus on - you talked about modest inflation, maybe hitting the AUC, but then the gross margins are so robust that it seems like either you're just - your supply chain is working for you, so any commentary on how you're going to manage that. And then remind us that the Far East really is not impactful to you in terms of sourcing. Thank you so much.

Scott Baxter

Analyst · Barclays Plc. Please proceed with your questions.

I'll go ahead and start, Adrienne. Good morning. Nice to hear from you.

Adrienne Yih

Analyst · Barclays Plc. Please proceed with your questions.

Good morning.

Scott Baxter

Analyst · Barclays Plc. Please proceed with your questions.

So couple things, let's start with back-to-school. I have a school-aged child at home and we haven't bought school clothes for him for two years, he's 40 pounds heavier than previously. There's no way he can fit into in school clothes from two years ago. In addition to the fact that styles and trends have changed that was two years. So, we think there's really some pent up demand because kids just aren't going to want to go back to the clothes they were in and they aren't going to fit those in. And there was no back-to-school season at all last year. So, we believe that's going to be really good for both us, the industry, and also our consumers and our customers. So that'll be a good moment in time for us all, as we return to normal. As far as denim goes, you've seen our survey that we put out a little while ago. And we think that there is a positive, just structural change we've seen the globe in the casualization and we've seen it in all the major metropolitan markets across the globe, whether it be London, Paris, New York City, San Francisco, people are moving to casualization as the worker comes back into the office, even if it is a flex environment, doesn't matter, they're wanting to be casual, like they were at home. So, they're reinvesting in a casual wardrobe, which I don't believe is cyclical, I believe it's here to stay for the long term, going forward. And then I would also complement that with we like where we are and where we're positioned as a company, because if you think about the evolution of our strategy, and we've only been around now, as a public company, for a shade over two years, we've been able to go ahead and build these great categories like outdoor, workwear and T-shirts that are very complimentary, that we believe are at the very beginning stages of being powerful categories for us, as a company, over the very long term. So, as I think about the future, I think about denim, I think about the categories that we've entered, and the opportunities that we have in front of us. I'm really, really excited.

Adrienne Yih

Analyst · Barclays Plc. Please proceed with your questions.

Excellent.

Rustin Welton

Analyst · Barclays Plc. Please proceed with your questions.

And Adrienne, it is Rustin. Good morning. I'll go ahead and take the second part of your question. First, let me touch upon kind of a last bullet that you mentioned, which was kind of Far East sourcing. So just as a reminder for everyone, our supply chain, our global diversified supply chain, we really feel is differentiated for us and does offer a competitive advantage, with a little over a-third of our global production internally manufactured in this hemisphere and approximately two-thirds that are sourced out of overseas, predominantly out of Asia. As we think a little bit about the second half gross margin to your question, we've clearly have focused on gross margin expansion. It's an important part of that virtuous cycle that you heard me speak about a minute ago with Jay, just really creating that oxygen to be able to invest back into our brands. And over the last four quarters, you've seen triple-digit growth from us and that expansion and really on a fundamental structural basis, being driven by that distorted growth in those creative channels, the geographies and categories we've talked about, as well as pursuing quality of sales and restructuring actions. And we anticipate those structural benefits will continue into the back half of 2021 and beyond. However, we do anticipate, they will be moderated in part by some of the elevated transitory cost to chase some of the incremental demand that Scott talked about, and we talked about earlier. Certainly the global supply chain disruption is well chronicled, and as we've stated today and previously, we're not immune from that, but we are certainly pursuing the demand and the momentum that we've got behind our brands, and our second half gross margin outlook has taken those factors into consideration. Your last point was really, about inflation and, as we think about moving forward next year, we mentioned a little bit at Investor Day that we anticipated that 2022 and 2023 gross margin improvement to be modestly more weighted towards 2023, as some of these growth catalysts that we're investing in, like digital and international opportunities really scale. And so we're really proud about the guidance, or sorry, the gross margin we're delivering this year. And we'll just draw you to sort of the conclusion in my remarks that the gross margin and our outlook here is projected to be up nearly 400 basis points, compared to adjusted gross margin in 2019. So, clearly a focal point for us and will remain so going forward. Thanks, Adrienne.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Bob Drbul with Guggenheim Securities, please proceed with your questions.

Bob Drbul

Analyst

Hey, guys. Good morning. Congratulations on the nice work.

Scott Baxter

Analyst

Thanks, Bob.

Bob Drbul

Analyst

I guess I had two questions. The first one is, with the announcement of the share repurchase program, does that imply just in the near term that M&A is off the table? You talked a little bit about your capital allocation. Just wondering, you can maybe address that, as you think about horizon one and the horizon two. And then I think the second question I have, I'm not sure if you gave it, Rustin, but some of the buckets in this gross margin expansion, I don't know if you could sort of break it down a little bit more, just around where you see? How it delivered in the second quarter, but also when you look at this outlook, for the rest of the year, the biggest buckets, etc., will be helpful. Thanks.

Scott Baxter

Analyst

Hi, Bob. It is Scott. Good morning. Thanks for the questions. From the share repo standpoint, I think it all boils down to, as we talked about in the Investor Day, we're creating a billion dollars in cash over the next three years. So, as we've talked about, from an optionality standpoint, and as we phased into horizon two, like we've talked about, it's really about optionality. And we think it's all in equation and that we can do multiple things. So, we're really happy about the share buyback. We think that's just a component of our allocation here, as we go forward. It's part of our options. And everything is still on the table and will be, as we move forward and we'll continue to update the team and everybody going forward, so we feel real good.

Rustin Welton

Analyst

Good morning, Bob. I'll take the second part on the gross margin in the second quarter. And you've certainly seen this trend continue for the last several quarters, as I've talked about. This was our fourth consecutive quarter with triple-digit margin improvement; has been a focal point for us, certainly focusing on those structural drivers, really being favorable channel mix, geographic and product mix. Those are kind of the largest drivers, I would say, Bob, of that. And certainly as we're continuing to invest in these under-indexed categories and geographies, as we've talked about, we see that continuing. Certainly, Q2 did benefit from some discrete items such as the downtime. You'll recall last year, we modified our production in our own facilities to account for the COVID impact last year. So, roughly half of that improvement in the second quarter relative to last year was kind of due to discrete items last year. But certainly the gross margin expansion remains a focal point for us. It's critical. And this enables us to invest back into the brands, as you've heard me mentioned multiple times this morning. So really, really happy with the delivery on Q2, and allowed us to exceed our expectations in the quarter.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is come from the line of Sam Poser with Williams Trading Please proceed with your questions.

Sam Poser

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. And just I want to follow up on the marketing spend, I guess, and the gross margin, but really, in the quarter, did you spend more in your demand creation investments than you anticipated or did you just - or did you get a better return? Can you measure the return on those investments? And then in the guidance of the increased investments in the back half of the year, what kind of return are you expecting on that?

Rustin Welton

Analyst

Yeah. Sam, good morning. It's Rustin. I'll go ahead and take that. Certainly, won't talk to the marketing spend in the quarter, but make it a little bit more general comments for you. Certainly, you know Sam, with all the engagements we've had, we're a total shareholder return driven organization. And as we look at investment, Scott and I, that we can make into the brands and into the business and capabilities, we measure everything that we do, on a TSR return basis, on both the near term and a long term perspective. So, certainly, we've been distorting investments into things like digital, from a marketing perspective. And I think you certainly saw the results of that play out this quarter. We talked a little bit about the growth in the quarter, but on a two-year stack basis, both digital wholesale and our own.com, very impressive results relative to 2019. So we're very happy about the investments that we're making. And now that we're live on the ERP side, in both North America and Europe, certainly an opportunity we see to distort and amplify those investments in the back half here that not only helps deliver the back half of '21, Sam, but really accelerates the momentum moving into 2022, which is really important for us.

Sam Poser

Analyst

No, I do understand that. I'm looking really for - no, it sounds like based on your guidance that you're going to probably de-lever your SG&A in the back half of the year, and you got good leverage on the front half of the year. And that's telling me that just sort of automatically some of those investments on a relative basis, just won't give you the kind of same return. So I'm really trying to figure out how much of the beat in Q2 was better return on those investments? And are you sort of guiding it the same way you've guided Q2, relative to those investments upfront? I'm saying because you guide the year and then do better. Because it sounds to me like you're getting a better sort of near-term results than you may have put into the numbers, despite the fact it's helping the long term and it was intended to help the long term.

Rustin Welton

Analyst

Yeah, and Sam, I would just say that we measure the returns on both in near-term and long-term basis. And clearly, as we distort investments, on the marketing side, specifically, we are looking more to accelerate the brands and the strength that they're demonstrating in this quarter to continue to accelerate in future quarters. So, it's not just the next quarter, we're looking for the longer term as well. And obviously, as you've seen, the investments that we're making in the brands certainly have been paying off in terms of the top line growth.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brooke Roach with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your questions.

Brooke Roach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your questions.

Thank you. Good morning, and thanks for taking our question. Scott, Rustin, owned digital continues to deliver momentum. Can you talk to the areas where you're seeing the most success? Whether that's within a particular customer segment, conversion or new customer acquisition?

Scott Baxter

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your questions.

Yeah, certainly can't. So, Brooke, I think we have to start at the beginning of the journey. We were so under indexed in digital. And it wasn't just from the standpoint of physical, we've now brought ourselves up to speed from an ERP standpoint, put in the right platforms around the globe, that's an infancy stage then when we started with the company, we went ahead and had to hire the right teams and we've started to do that in a pretty robust way, we hired the right leader. And then we had to start thinking about how we communicate in a powerful way with our consumers and we started to do that with some really good programs. And then we started to build better products into different categories, like we've talked about today to make our site more robust and more exciting from a content standpoint for that consumer to come into and join the journey with us going forward. So at the beginning of that journey, we saw some really good core momentum, from the standpoint the core really did well. But what's happened as that journey has kind of expanded and we've gone into other categories, we've seen really good gender momentum across the globe, both male and female, and we've seen really good category momentum. So what I mean by that is, our outdoor line, for instance, has done really well. And then there's one other thing that I think is really interesting, our consumer is now starting to come to us because, one, they like the story, and they like what they're seeing and hearing, and they're very pleased with the product. But in addition to that, we've done some really incredible collabs. And those collabs are highlighted on our digital presence, too. So if you think about our big Wrangler Billabong collab that we have going on right now, as we head into back-to-school, that's done really well. And if you think about Lee and our Hundreds collab and some of the things that they've done recently, those have done really well. So combining all of those assets together and being at the very early stages and building better products in expanding categories, we really like how the consumer is communicating with us going forward in our digital space. Rustin, would you add anything there?

Rustin Welton

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your questions.

Yeah, I think you said it well, Scott. The only thing I would add, Brooke, as well, is that we've continued to make investments in our capabilities. And so, certainly we're under indexed, we're at about 5% of revenue. Now we see that opportunity, as we laid out at investor day moving to 10%, penetration. And all the areas, Scott mentioned, in terms of product and consumer, very, very relevant. We've also made investments on the technology side, as you well know, going on to new platforms in 2020, in both North America and Europe, and I think you're starting to see those results manifest in our P&L here. So lots of early days, lots of momentum, and lots of opportunities still to go, Brooke.

Brooke Roach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your questions.

Great. Thanks. And as if I could just ask one quick follow up. Can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing across your key US wholesale partners, maybe both in terms of program momentum at recently launched new initiatives or new business versus some of your legacy partners with more established programs such as Western versus department store or small department store versus mass? Thank you.

Scott Baxter

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your questions.

Thanks, Brooke. I'll go ahead and take that. Yeah, we were - like we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we are really pleased with all the programs that we're launching across the board. I think it goes back to we win with winners, we've talked about that a lot. We are really pleased with how we placed ourselves in that line of communication and with the big customers that we have across the globe. And it's been all part of the strategy from horizon one, win with winners, and go forward build great products that the consumer loves, the take out will be there and continue to drive that with really good demand creation platforms. So from a strategic standpoint, we are really running our playbook and we're pleased with it right now.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Jim Duffy with Stifel. Please proceed with your questions. Thank you.

Jim Duffy

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, guys. Great execution.

Scott Baxter

Analyst

Good morning, Jim.

Jim Duffy

Analyst

Congratulations on getting the ERP implementation through. Rustin, I want to build on others' questions on the gross margins. Sorry to do so. But just working through the annual guidance, it looks like it implies roughly a 44% gross margin for the back half of the year. That's more than 200 basis points below the run rate in the first half of the year. Can you just, maybe, itemize some of the factors that would cause it to be such a big step down? And you mentioned pricing in your prepared remarks. I'm curious if you could speak to the balance between pricing and input costs inflation and how we should think about pricing, as a tool to leverage brand vitality and manage the margins?

Rustin Welton

Analyst

Yeah, so let me go ahead and start here, Jim, on the gross margin side. Absolutely, you are correct, it implies kind of our guide of 43%, 44% gross margin in the back half, and a couple things that I would highlight. Certainly our first half was around 46. That was definitely a high watermark for us in the back half of last year, we were more around the 43 range. So, certainly continuing to strengthen and improve there. Couple of things, as we're thinking about the back half, we mentioned in our prepared remarks and a couple times here some of the global supply chain disruptions and the fact that we're seeing increased demand. And so from our standpoint we do see elevated transitory costs in the second half to meet some of that demand, and we've certainly reflected that in the gross margin outlook for the second half of the year. Also, as Scott mentioned, and you've heard us talk numerous times, still a lot of uncertainty out there in the marketplace and very, very fluid [ph]. So, we certainly have taken that into consideration, as we've got good [ph] gross margin here in the back as well. So I'll flip it over to Scott. And, Scott, if you want to take the second part of that with the question around inflation and pricing that'd be great.

Scott Baxter

Analyst

Thanks, Jim. Jim, good to hear from you. Jim, we're being real strategic with our pricing as we go forward. We're investing in the brands, as you know, and we're also investing and we haven't talked a lot about it on this call, but from an innovation standpoint, pretty significantly to go ahead and keep our brands first and foremost in front of the consumers mind. So, we really like where we are. One of the things that we've talked about that I think is really important for our brands is that we offer incredible value already. So, we have trusted brands - in times like this, Jim, being a value brands with a great brand behind it, now being a value play with a great brand behind it, with high, high quality, and innovating and coming into different channels only helps us going forward. So, that's the investment that we're making to go forward and make sure that we're putting ourselves, our brands, and our company in a really good place.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Scott Baxter for any closing comments.

Scott Baxter

Analyst

Just a quick thank you to everybody for taking the time to spend with us today. It's much appreciated. I look forward to spending time with you all here sometime in the next month or two, and then, obviously, look forward to talking to you again in the next quarter. But thanks again for your time this morning. Have a great day everybody.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Have a great day.