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Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 3, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Koppers Holdings, Inc. Third Quarter 2016 Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Quynh McGuire. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Quynh McGuire

Management

Thanks and good morning. My name is Quynh McGuire and I am the Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Welcome to our third quarter earnings conference call. We issued our quarterly earnings press release earlier today. You may access this announcement via our website at www.koppers.com or call Rose Hilinski at 412-227-2444 and we can send a copy to you. As indicated in our earnings release this morning, we have also posted materials to our Investor Relations website that will be referenced in today’s call. Consistent with our practice in prior quarterly conference calls, this is being broadcast live on our website and a recording of this call will be available on our site for replay through December 02, 2016. Before we get started, I would like to remind all of you that certain comments made during this conference call maybe characterized as forward-looking under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements maybe affected by certain risks and uncertainties including risks described in the cautionary statements included in our press release and in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In light of the significant uncertainties inherent in the forward-looking statements included in the company’s comments, you should not regard the inclusion of such information as a representation that its objectives, plans and projected results will be achieved. The company’s actual results could differ materially from such forward-looking statements. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call. References may also be made today to certain non-GAAP financial measures. The company has provided with its press release, which is available on our website, reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. I am joined on this morning’s call by Leroy Ball, President and CEO of Koppers and Mike Zugay, our Chief Financial Officer. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Leroy Ball.

Leroy Ball

Management

Thank you, Quynh. Welcome everyone to our third quarter 2016 earnings call. And before I get into the details of the third quarter financial results I'd like to highlight some of our recent milestones, but to give an update on our efforts to instill a zero harm culture which I firmly believe is vital to our success moving forward. In September, we convened various leaders from across the globe who have direct leadership responsibilities for over 80% of our employees for the inaugural zero harm and zero waste leadership forum [ph] at Pittsburgh. First the event served as a way to reinforce our commitment to zero harm as an overarching value that placed the care of our people our environment and our communities first at all times. Second, it also enabled us to begin laying the groundwork for behavioral reliability and empathetic leadership training which underpins the transformative change we are making at the top level of the company. Also we were fortunate to have Dr. Sharon Fang, a member of our Board of Directors and the Chairperson of our Safety Health and Environmental Committee attend part of the conference and speak to the participants about the board support of and commitment to zero harm. And my goal to build Koppers into a company with a business model that supports sustainable growth starts with operational discipline with safety at the core. A company that cares about people its effect on the environment and the communities it's a part of it is a company that has focused on always doing the right thing and will serve its customers and shareholders well. As a result we will continue to invest in additional resources for safety training and process improvement to accelerate our progress over the next several years. In recognition of our…

Mike Zugay

Management

. : Also CM&C was affected by lower sales prices for carbon pitch and phthalic anhydride and this was partially offset by higher phthalic anhydride volumes. Another driver was that our RUPS segment experienced a lower year over yourselves volumes of treated crossties and utility products. Moving on to slide 3, adjusted EBITDA was 51 million in the third quarter compared to 48 million in the prior year quarter. This was mainly due to higher profitability from the PC business partially offset by lower profitability for the RUPS segments Adjustments to EBITDA for the third quarter of 2016 consisted of approximately 9 million of pretax charges and these were related primarily to restructuring expenses and I would like to take a minute or two to discuss several items that are not referenced in our slide presentation. Adjusted net income was 21 million in the quarter compared to 14 million in the third quarter of 2015. Adjustments to pretax income for the third quarter of '16 amounted to 12 million which were primarily restructuring expenses related to our CM&C consolidation efforts. Adjusted EPS for the quarter was $0.99 per share and compares very favorably to $0.67 per share in the prior year quarter. The adjusted income tax rate excluding discrete tax items for the third quarter was approximately 27% and 29% on a year-to-date basis. This decrease in our tax rate was due to a shift in earnings to lower foreign tax jurisdictions compared to what we had originally estimated. The lower effective tax rate had an approximate positive $0.06 per share impact on the quarterly adjusted EPS. Cash provided by operations for the nine months end of September 30 was 83 million and this compared to 95 million in the prior year period. The decrease was primarily due to an…

Leroy Ball

Management

Thanks, Mike. I want to speak now about the outlook for each of our business segments and beginning with Performance Chemicals as I mentioned earlier that the business continues to outperform due to a number of reasons. From a market perspective the National Association of Realtors or the NAR reported that existing home sales jumped 3.2% in September alone propelled by the highest percentage of first time buyers in more than four years. The NAR expressed optimism that this increase in sales among first time home buyers can be sustained for the remainder of 2016 and at a minimum into spring of 2017 citing consistent job gains in affordable mortgage rates as economic underpinnings that are helping consumers to gain additional confidence. This paralleled a positive trend according to the Conference Board in which consumer confidence increased in September for a second consecutive month and now is at the highest level since the Great Recession at 104.1 up from 101.8 in August. Additionally we saw unseasonably high volumes early in the year partly attributable to the moderate than usual winter resulting in home improvement projects starting sooner than we anticipated and a buildings product market that has outpaced expectations throughout 2016. Add to that the recent standard changes recommended by the American Wood Protection Association or a AWPA. The new standard change which went into effect in July 2016 recommended that more ground contact treated would be used in areas that simulate ground contact and use applications, that effect would preserve systems primarily in residential and agricultural uses. The AWPA standard change conversion started early to mid-2016 and is expected to continue in the first half of 2017 as both big box and independent retailers are adopting the new standards and stocking more ground contact inventory at the retail stores.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And we will take our first question from Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Dan Rizzo

Analyst

It's actually Dan Rizzo on for Laurence. Just with the railroad business, is there something that’s changed because I thought there was kind of steadier business than it seems to be showing lately in terms of profit and even sales. I mean is it -- it just seems a little more volatile these days than it has historically, has there been a change in I don't know just the environment?

Leroy Ball

Management

No I think our railroad business is not unlike others, I mean it's not immune to cycles. It's just that the cycles -- the peaks and troughs of the cycles tend to be kind to be smaller. So I don't see any difference in what's happening in our rail business and what has happened in previous times you are dealing right now obviously with a very challenged rail industry and as I’ve kind of been saying really throughout each of the calls this year we had some concern that they would be pulling back on spending at some point in time as they ran out of other options and alternatives and what we're actually now starting to see is that in fact happen and there's an element that makes the sales number. Look I think a little worse than what it really is impacting the EBITDA and that is just the business model that we have where a lot of our crosstie on traded crosstie business is more or less passthrough business. As you’ve changes in hardwood prices up and down you can see you know big moves in the sales numbers that don't always have as big of an effect on the EBITDA that ultimately comes through the financial statements. So that tends to exacerbate kind of how the numbers look when you look at it from a sales standpoint but I don't -- to me there's no difference in what we're seeing today than what we have seen in the business in the past, it's just you don't see the dramatic drops and peaks that you see in our CMC business as an example over time.

Dan Rizzo

Analyst

And then with the change in standard and how it's just kind of helping with ground contact wood, I know that’s being adopted I think you said but is that displacing above ground at this point. I mean I think part of the thought process was that it would nobody wanted to carry two inventories. So I was wondering if you're seeing a kind of take place above ground?

Leroy Ball

Management

Yes I think each retailer -- probably I know they look at it a little bit differently and it come down to how they want to market their products and stock their stores there's certain ones that certainly. I think I have gone along the lines of moving everything to the ground contact trying to eliminate confusion but there are others that I think continue to stock both so you see a little bit of both. Overall it's obviously been a net positive but it's a mix.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Ivan Marcuse with KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

In 2017, how much do you expect the decline in the RUPS EBITDA?

Mike Zugay

Management

Ivan, we’re only giving general guidance at this point in time at a high level, there's still the moving parts that need to get nailed down. I think we feel comfortable and confident enough in terms of the balance between the businesses to put the number that we have out there but that's why we didn't we didn't give segment guidance for '17 at this point we're still trying to nail some things down but directionally RUPS will be down in '17 and the other two segments will be up more than offset.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Okay. And I guess from what you have said where are we in the cost savings for I guess the total company and I know the vast majority are in the CMC business but where are we in the cost savings and then how much of that help from what you've laid out so far what you've achieved in 2017?

Mike Zugay

Management

I still think that -- we still have a good ways to go in terms of cost savings to run through the financial statements when you think about the fact that you know in prior calls I've talked about it and I'll stick with CMC because that is where the vast majority of this is coming from. We talked about and still feel good about $10 million of additional cost saving coming in 2017 and similar number coming in 2018. Now what offsets that somewhat or disguises some of that is when the RUPS business volumes are going down that's going to have a follow on effect obviously with the creosote volumes, so that will help, that will mute some of that savings but we still expect another $20 million or so of savings coming out of CMC over the next couple of years. In terms of what we've seen for this year, I mean we had in the bridge of somewhere in the neighborhood of $15 million to $16 million. So all told we'd be talking about $35 million over a three year period.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Okay. And then moving on the performance chemicals real quick. Based on your guidance for sales it looks like sequentially in the fourth quarter if I did the math right sales would be roughly flat where from the third quarter and what I've expected some seasonality. So why would sales be up I guess just taking a midpoint 30% or so on a year over year basis in the fourth quarter, year-over-year but while your EBITDA will be based on your guidance you got call it $7 million, $8 million lower?

Mike Zugay

Management

Okay. I don't have those numbers in front of me. My expectation is that for the fourth quarter for Performance Chemicals would actually be up compared to the fourth quarter of last year.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

I understand that but if you look at the third quarter your sales are flat sequentially essentially so then why wouldn’t be sure EBITDA be flat sequentially?

Mike Zugay

Management

Are we talking specifically Performance Chemicals, I apologize I'm just trying to--

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

No, I'm just Performance Chemical, so year-to-date you've done what you've done in EBITDA so to get $80 million you have to you call it $14 million to $15 million in EBITDA right and then to get to your sales guidance you'd have to do a similar type of levels of sales in the fourth quarter than you did in third quarter which would be 30% increase on a year over year basis. So I'm just curious of why you're not -- why you're seeing an acceleration versus some seasonality and why is that down to the bottom line?

Mike Zugay

Management

I think obviously seasonality enters into it but in addition to that from a standpoint of profitability because we're out of capacity what we're having to do is buy material that we normally produce out of our [indiscernible] facility at a much lower cost and we're bringing that type of raw material in from places like China and India at a much higher cost.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Did you had to do that in third quarter?

Mike Zugay

Management

A little bit but the problem is the exasperating itself.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

So you should have similar sales but your profitability is going to drop by 33% because of that?

Mike Zugay

Management

Yes. The material we’re bringing in that again is because we're out of capacity produce it ourselves, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% or 40% more than we can produce it ourselves. So it's a hit, it's an impact and as Leroy mentioned before even in his script right now we're in the process of spending money from a capital standpoint in a couple of all our Performance Chemical facilities to make sure that in early to mid-2017 that we're able to go ahead and produce what's needed internally at that much lower cost. But right now we're caught in a little quandary that we can't produce enough, again the basic raw materials specifically basic Koppers carbonate and Kopper cost side and we're having to bring that in from foreign countries and when you take a look at the pricing and add into the transportation cost, it's substantially higher.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

In terms of dollars how much of much of that is that a cost increase on a year-over-year basis?

Mike Zugay

Management

I don't have that information in dollars.

Leroy Ball

Management

We’re not going to get into that to specifics anyway Ivan. The other thing to follow on from what Mike was talking about and I think I mentioned in the last quarter as well, with the volumes that we are seeing we cannot continue to run the facilities the way that we were and with the personnel involved, we have to add people we have add some infrastructure there to continue to maintain an increasing volumes that we are expecting to carry us through into 2017 as well. So we're literally have been working hand to mouth in that business most of the year and we can't continue to operate safely that way or expect to continue to operate safely that way and we have to continue to invest in that.

Mike Zugay

Management

And I guess cost associated with hiring people and we also have costs associated with those new people from a training perspective before they become productive.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Okay. And then last question and then I will jump back in the queue just back in the Performance Chemicals if the sales stayed flat sequentially so you're not seeing the same store seasonality that you typically see? Is this a result of the increased volumes from the standards that you mentioned or is there something else going on? Just talking about top line, ignoring your higher cost.

Mike Zugay

Management

From a top line standpoint, without looking at the details in each of the different regions it's tough to answer that question right now.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

That’s just a big jump year over year. So just curious it's like a huge acceleration.

Mike Zugay

Management

Understand it.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Liam Burke with Wunderlich Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Liam Burke

Analyst · Wunderlich Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Leroy could you give us a little more detail on RUPS in both the bridge engineering business and then the non-crosstie infrastructure like the bonded insulated joints how those businesses fair? You touched on it in your prepared statements on the bridge but not on the insulated joints.

Leroy Ball

Management

Yes, without getting into too much specifics Liam, we've had a pretty strong year on the railroad structure side the bridge business has been pretty strong throughout the year consistently strong as well. So we it's been one of the few bright spots in that whole business segment, joints have continued to be down quite a bit from a volume standpoint and that's been also consistent throughout most of the year as we talked about earlier that was one of the main drivers for some of the differential between '15 and '16 as it related to the first and second quarters that has not changed. It certainly has contributed again to the differential in the third quarter also but railroad structures has actually been up I'd say within 5% range for the overall year it's slowed down a little bit here as of the end of the third quarter overall it's been up -- it's been one of the only areas it's been up in that segment.

Liam Burke

Analyst · Wunderlich Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

And getting back to the AWPA standards on KPC, are they being adopted fairly quickly by the treatment the lumber treatment folks and did you see any measurable change as a result of this regulation during the quarter?

Leroy Ball

Management

I would say they're probably being adopted quicker than what we had expected and so when you see the change in our guidance this quarter for the year versus last quarter for the year and it has gone up quite a bit, we were pretty cautious in our optimism, how quickly it would be adopted and that’s been the main driver for our change in estimates. Stronger organic volumes also played into it but I'd say the bigger piece of it has been the surprise around how quickly that standard is getting adopted.

Liam Burke

Analyst · Wunderlich Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

And Mike real quickly only tax rates for the fourth quarter. Are you presuming a similar mix of geographic revenue distribution or I know there's something embedded in the guidance there.

Mike Zugay

Management

Yes I would say from a guidance perspective. In the upper 20s it's probably where to be.

Liam Burke

Analyst · Wunderlich Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

For the quarter or the year?

Mike Zugay

Management

Basically for the quarter it's going to be in that 27% to 29% range just like - we’re very close to Q3 on a year-to-date basis, obviously it's going to be slightly higher because we had a higher tax rate in the first and second quarter so upper 20s for the quarter maybe right around 30, slightly over 30 for the full year.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from [indiscernible]. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

A question on the PC facility expansion, can you give us an idea as to what the increase is in capacity in terms of a percent of sales and also if it's all going to be in one location or where you plan to do it?

Leroy Ball

Management

Rudy, it'll be in multiple locations and I won't get into the percentage as it relates to increase in capacity because it doesn't necessarily translate to the final product. It's for pieces in the process, but what it will be at multiple locations it won't be just at one location.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Just as a clarification if I heard it correctly before when you were talking about and understanding that it doesn't directly relate to sales but before when you were talking about your internal production of materials for the process that you now have to import, did I hear you correctly saying that you were running short by 30% or 40% in the third quarter or at this current time?

Mike Zugay

Management

No that 30% or 40% is the price differential.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That wasn't a volume issue.

Mike Zugay

Management

No, Rudy, that was the price differential for two basic products, it's what we call BCC and then Kopper [indiscernible] and it's over and above the cost to get it here to buy it internationally and to transport it here that percentage is the greater percentage than we can produce it and has historically produced internally for our own use.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Then also assumptions on the price of oil which you didn't mention at all but going into the quarter you were saying that you were presuming in your guidance a $40 a barrel oil and in the third quarter it's been more like the $45 to $50 which is sort of the range where we're settling into right now and I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about your current assumptions and price sensitivity what you're noticing in terms of the carbon black feed stock and other products?

Leroy Ball

Management

Sure. So third quarter by our estimate you're right I think we saw average prices $45 for the quarter which were in line, maybe a little bit lower than where I think they settled that in '15 for the third quarter. As we look out over the rest of the year you know we're basically forecasting our forecasts include oil that would be somewhere in that sort of same range in the mid 40ish range and the benefits that we would be expecting to receive from that are basically getting more or less offsetting couple driven areas one is through lower [indiscernible] of volumes with some of the rail decline that we're seeing and the other is despite that that oil change and its effect on carbon black feedstock which you're correct but again one of the changes that we made this year was to reduce our exposure to carbon black feedstock through the shutdown of these various plants which would push more of that part of the process into creosote which doesn't get priced according to oil and helps to insulate ourselves from those movements, but the piece that hasn't reacted as quickly to the changes in oil is the orthoxylene pricing which is what our phthalic anhydride is pricing is based off of, so when I look at the numbers here for 2015 as an example and I look at the third quarter oil as an example was down 4% compared to 2015 last year and four orthoxylene and it's effect on our results in the quarter the cost of that were 24% lower in the third quarter. So you can see quite a difference. Now we think in the fourth quarter that difference is going to be somewhere between 4% and 5% compared to last year so last year's or this year's fourth orthoxylene cost we expect to be a lot closer and more in line with last year from a from a comp standpoint but in a third quarter we did not get the benefit of those orthoxylene being anywhere close to what it was in the third quarter of last year despite the fact that oil was within a 5% range of last year's oil.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay so everything to say it maybe in a little more simpler way is that there are various pricing mechanisms seem to be tightening or becoming more in-line or year-over-year comparison at least right now really aren't material?

Leroy Ball

Management

That’s correct.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And we will go ahead and take our last question from Chris Shaw with Monness, Crespi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

Starting with RUPS again do you guys have any breakout what you said some of the lower sales was due to lower hardwood prices. You know how much that of the sales decline was volumes versus the price?

Leroy Ball

Management

I don't have that handy I would say that overall from a volume versus pricing standpoint you know what Chris I'd hesitate to I hesitate to speak without that information in front of me. We can try and follow up on that for you.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

And then continuing on RUPS, very impressed with the profit performance given the sales decline, was there a lot of cost cutting this quarter or was there -- you substituted some higher margin product that you sold, how did you do that well?

Leroy Ball

Management

It's a little bit of this a little bit of that I mean we have one less facility that we've taken out of the system with Green Spring going down and that certainly has contributed. I think we've we attribute about $4 million of cost savings associated with that, we've had some other cost reductions that we've been able to pull out of the system. We've had a little bit of a change in mix in terms of the products as well that allows us to maintain margins that are somewhat in line with what we saw despite the change on the top line, if you think for a minute about -- again the untreated crosstie piece of it -- that is a lower margin piece of that business that, you know it's not a direct pass through there is a markup on that but the markup is much smaller than the value that's created through the conversion of that untreated tied to a treated tie and when you have that effect being such an integral component to the decline here over this first nine months of the year and particularly this quarter it's not -- despite the sales drop you not going to see as much of an impact from a margin standpoint.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

And then if I could switch to your comments on Performance Chemicals headwinds from sourcing product -- sourcing raw material instead of making yourself -- when does that sort of headwind when you get the capacity online, when of those new people start becoming productive at your plan, when will that sort of headwind--

Leroy Ball

Management

I think it's going to be into the middle of next year before we are able to get to the point where we can offset the increased cost that we're seeing as a result of having to go outside for part of our raw material process, so it's another nine months or so three quarters.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

And if I can just finish with a question about coal tar, [indiscernible] contracts typically that repriced at the end of the year, so can you give me an outlook onto where coal tar pricing or coal tar cost might be for next year relative to this year?

Leroy Ball

Management

Our coal tar cost for next -- it's one of the things that we're still actually going through, we don't have pricing finalized yet but we have seen a meaningful reduction this year and next year we expect to see an additional reduction. So that trend will continue but we don't have the pricing fixed or locked in for '17 at this point.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And this does conclude today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Chief Executive Officer, Leroy Ball for closing remarks.

Leroy Ball

Management

Thank you. In summary we're really pleased about our strong operating performance in the third quarter which demonstrates that our strategy continues to build momentum. However there is still work to be done. We continue to take a systematic approach to reducing our dependence on highly cyclical industries tied to oil and aluminum. As we proceed on our journey toward zero harm and becoming an enterprise focused on wood preservation and protection. We will continue to be intensely focused on delivering shareholder value. Thank you for joining us today.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. Have a wonderful day And you may disconnect your lines at any time.