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Kennametal Inc. (KMT)

Q1 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 6, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. I would like to welcome everyone to Kennametal's First Quarter Fiscal 2019 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kelly Boyer, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead ma'am.

Kelly M. Boyer - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thank you, operator. Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us to review Kennametal's first quarter fiscal year 2019 results. Yesterday evening, we issued our earnings press release and posted our presentation slide on our website. We will be referring to that slide deck throughout today's call and a recording of the call will be available for replay through December 6. I'm Kelly Boyer, Vice President of Investor Relations. Joining me on the call today are Chris Rossi, President and Chief Executive Officer; Damon Audia, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Patrick Watson, Vice President of Finance and Corporate Controller; Alexander Broetz, President, WIDIA Business segment; Pete Dragich, President, Industrial Business segment, and Ron Port, President, Infrastructure Business segment. After Chris and Damon's prepared remarks, we will open the line up for questions. At this time, I would like to direct your attention to our forward-looking disclosure statement. Today's discussion contains comments that constitute forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements involve a number of assumptions, risks, and uncertainties that could cause the company's actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by such forward-looking statements. These risk factors and uncertainties are listed on slide 1 and detailed in Kennametal's SEC filings. In addition, we will be discussing non-GAAP financial measures on the call today. Reconciliations to GAAP financial measures that we believe are most directly comparable can be found at the back of the slide deck and on our Form 8-K on our website. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Chris.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Kelly. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. As this is Damon's first quarterly earnings call, I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome him to Kennametal. As many of you know, he brings to this role more than 25 years of finance experience in manufacturing companies. We're delighted to have him join the team, Damon welcome. Turning to slide 2, I'm pleased to report that we've delivered another strong quarter. The consolidated sales growth rate for the company remains solid at 8% and 10% at an organic level. For the seventh consecutive quarter, every segment, region and end market reported positive growth. I was very pleased with the performance across all three segments with Infrastructure posting 9% growth and both Industrial and WIDIA posting 8% growth. From a regional perspective, Asia-Pacific and the Americas grew at double-digit rates year-over-year at 14% and 12%, respectively, and EMEA grew at 5%. Our quarterly adjusted operating margin increased 350 basis points year-over-year to 14.4%, with a significant improvement in gross profit margin as a result of great execution by the team. The operating margins were further strengthened by a substantial improvement in operating expenses as a percentage of sales. Operating leverage improved again this quarter, reflecting continuing progress in our growth and simplification, modernization initiatives. As we plan, the underlying operational performance of the business was augmented by our strategic initiatives. Adjusted EPS increased 27% or $0.15 year-over-year to $0.70 in the quarter. This is our best first quarter performance in seven years and demonstrates the strength of Kennametal brand in the market and the improvements we are making inside our facilities. The increase of $0.15 for the quarter includes $0.09 from our simplification, modernization efforts. And as a reminder, $0.09 is as much as we…

Damon J. Audia - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Good morning, everyone. I'm excited to be joining Kennametal at such an instrumental point as we execute on our growth, simplification and modernization plans. After my first month here, which has included several site visits, I can say that I'm even more excited about our opportunities. I look forward to seeing and getting to know many of our investors and analysts over the next several months. We will begin with a review of our results of our operations on both a reported and adjusted basis. Sales in the September quarter increased 8% to $587 million with organic sales growth of 10% being partially offset by foreign currency headwinds of approximately 2%. Sales grew in every end market, geographic region and segment at constant currency. Adjusted gross profit in the quarter increased 15% year-over-year to $211 million. Adjusted gross profit margin increased by 220 basis points year-over-year to 36% driven by organic sales growth, favorable mix, and incremental benefits associated with our simplification and modernization initiatives. These improvements were partially offset by higher raw material cost and temporary manufacturing inefficiencies in certain facilities, in part due to strong market demand coupled with the progress of our modernization efforts. Price covered raw material cost increases again this quarter which is consistent with the last several quarters. As we've mentioned before, the timing of our pricing actions versus the impact of raw material cost in our cost of goods sold may not always align in the quarter. However, over time we have demonstrated our ability to offset raw material cost increases with price. Adjusted operating expenses were effectively flat on higher sales. On a percentage of sales basis, adjusted operating expenses improved by 120 basis points, decreasing to 21% as we continue to focus on cost containment even with higher demand in our…

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Damon. So to summarize on slide 18, we're off to a strong start for the year with sales and margins up year-over-year. FY 2019 is all about execution and our FY 2019 margin expansion expectations remain in line with the targets we presented at our December 2017 Investor Day. As I said before, we are transforming into a company that operates with a focus on efficiency, manage it sales with a focus on profitability and service the customer with the most innovative products and best service levels possible. These are the changes that will result in a transformed Kennametal, a significantly more profitable and competitive company is well-positioned for the long-term. And with that, operator, let's open it up for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Rossi. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. And your first question will be from Steve Volkmann of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Stephen Edward Volkmann - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, everybody.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Steve. How are you?

Stephen Edward Volkmann - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

I am well, thank you for asking. I wanted to just ask about the $0.09 of improvement benefits that you saw in the quarter, if I remember, I think the goal for the first half was $0.10, so it sort of feels like you're running a little bit ahead of your plan. But just wanted to see if I'm reading that right and if you've had any change to what you think sort of the full-year impact might be?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah, Steve. I don't recall us giving a specific number for the full year, let alone breaking it down by us. But – and we feel good about the progress on the $0.09 and you know as we've talked about before sort of the cadence working through the year, it's hard to actually predict that quarter-to-quarter; it can be a little bit lumpy. But generally, we feel good about the $0.09 and as you know; our overall plan for FY 2019 is pretty much right on track of where we said would be on Investor Day. So the $0.09, I wouldn't read it we're somehow ahead or behind it, so you know we feel like we're on track of what we thought we'd accomplish in FY 2019.

Stephen Edward Volkmann - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Okay, fair enough. And then maybe just a quick follow-up, on Infrastructure, you mentioned price cost a couple of times in your prepared remarks, were you actually price cost-positive in Infrastructure specifically, or was that actually a bit behind?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Actually, in Infrastructure, we were slightly ahead.

Stephen Edward Volkmann - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Joe Ritchie of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Ashay Gupta - Goldman Sachs (India) Securities Pvt Ltd.: Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Joe. Ashay Gupta - Goldman Sachs (India) Securities Pvt Ltd.: This is Ashay on for Joe.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Okay. Ashay Gupta - Goldman Sachs (India) Securities Pvt Ltd.: Just starting off with the guidance for a second, so you guys, obviously, had a great quarter from a growth standpoint, price cost was good, simplification came through. So could you maybe just talk us through what went behind the thinking of not raising the guide and maybe touch on the puts and takes of the high-end versus the low-end for the year?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. It's a good question. I mean first of all, let me just make some general comments. We feel very good about the guidance, because if you think about it, we had stronger FX headwinds than we planned and we've also absorbed the impacts of any tariffs in the current forecast. Now, as it relates to growth, our basic philosophy here in Kennametal is to stay conservative on growth estimates because we really want to challenge the organization to focus on taking cost out, execute, simplification, modernization and not try to make their numbers or margin improvements using more volume. So generally, we feel quite good about the guidance and the other thing I would say is, look it's still early in the year, there is a lot of moving pieces here and we'll have to see how the macro environment plays out as we go forward. But generally speaking, we feel quite good about reaffirming the guidance given the uncertainties that we've overcome.

Damon J. Audia - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

And just to put – this is Damon. And just to put the FX in perspective. So in our first quarter, the impact relative to our original outlook is about $0.02 impact and as we look at the currency rates as they sit today, we would expect that full-year headwind to be in the range of $0.07 to $0.09 based on current currency. Ashay Gupta - Goldman Sachs (India) Securities Pvt Ltd.: Got it. Very helpful. And I guess as a follow up. So the $0.09 from simplification, like I know you guys didn't have targets where I think it surprised everyone to the upside. As you're working through these initiatives could you maybe touch on, like, if you discovered new areas where you can put in more investment et cetera, obviously recognize that you maintained the FCF guide for the year, we're just curious if you're finding new areas of investment?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think you know first of all, we kind of have a multi-pronged approach, we're going in different regions across multiple facilities. And you know my assessment is that we're learning as we go. We feel good about the savings potential that we can achieve. And I think because our program was so broad and pretty well thought in terms of rethinking the real important end-to-end processes, it's about what we expected. But you know one of the things that you know I've learned in my experience when you're doing these types of changes is you always find things where there's opportunities or things you hadn't thought about. So we'll continue to look for those, but for now because the program is so broad we believe that you know it's essentially unfolding like we thought in terms of the upside. Now, I'll let Pete make a couple of comments, because he's a little closer to details on the biggest part of modernization, industrialization, see if he's seeing some additional upside and things we hadn't talk about.

Peter A. Dragich - Kennametal, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. And in fact as we go through thing, Chris said, you learn as you go and we certainly have a vision of what the future looks like which is very exciting. As we are moving forward as a team, we do see things that are additional opportunities, but with anything like this also think that potentially might not work out exactly like we planned. So overall at this point, given where we are with overall modernization, I think it's balanced in that regard and in line with what we expected.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Pete. Ashay Gupta - Goldman Sachs (India) Securities Pvt Ltd.: Got it. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

And the next question will be from Ann Duignan of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Ann P. Duignan - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Hey Ann.

Ann P. Duignan - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Hey, Chris, I was just giggling here because generally when we talk about seeing record attendance at a trade show at the time that we're at the peak of the cycle. So just fingers crossed that's not the case.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Okay.

Ann P. Duignan - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

I wanted to ask a little bit about mix both in Industrial and Infrastructure, if you could just talk about whether there was any positive mix maybe from aerospace in Industrial or any negative mix from energy in Infrastructure? So if you could just talk us through just mix and what you're thinking about the mix for those two businesses for the remainder of year? Thank you.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. On the Industrial side, we saw – one of our focus areas is to grow in aerospace and we saw very good growth and traction there, so that would – I would say that was a favorable mix if you will. On the Infrastructure side, I don't really think there was any strong changes in mix. We explained that most of the leverage situation in Infrastructure is related to price cost. The other thing that we're doing that I think could fall "in the category of mix" is we've talked to you folks about selectivity where we're really conscious in our product lifecycle management, well understanding what products are in end market delivering the most profitability to us. And given that we have high utilization in factories, we're deemphasizing some parts of the product portfolio and shifting the focus to other parts where we have an opportunity to be more profitable. And in particular, general engineering on the Industrial side has very good market fundamentals, strong growth potential and so as we've pruned the product portfolio, we've been able to liberate some capacity to improve our fill rates in that area. And that's actually driven a favorable mix, too, for that business and has helped to, certainly, improve the operating leverage year-over-year in that business.

Ann P. Duignan - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

And your outlook going forward, I mean would you anticipate aerospace remaining as strong as it was or if you could talk about that? And then the same on energy, please? And I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I mean the underlying fundamentals in aerospace and even in energy, which is largely EMEA and the Americas for us on the Infrastructure and Industrial side. The fundamentals of those industries still look very sound to us. And so we're focused on them and continue to be encouraged by the potential to grow in those areas.

Ann P. Duignan - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. I'll leave it there in the interest of time. Thank you.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Ann.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Julian Mitchell of Barclays. Please go ahead.

Julian Mitchell - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you, and just wanted to issue a warm welcome to Damon. In terms of, I guess, my first question really around the Infrastructure margins, you talked about commodity cost headwinds in the June quarter as well as this one. When we're thinking about sort of looking ahead, I'm sure the margins will be up sequentially just from seasonality in Q2, but when do you think we start to see more traction year-on-year in Infrastructure? Is it a question of just the phasing of price increases and maybe just help us understand those?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I mean, as we said, the Infrastructure business has got a lot of exposure to the raw material costs. So just the fact that raw material costs moved as much as they have, and we've covered it with price. That's dampening the leverage that you'll see in the business. But as we peel back the onion in the different pieces, we feel quite good about the actual operating leverage in the Infrastructure business. And it's a combination of – I think we're getting benefit from modernization, and I think frankly there're – we're running some of our plants in the business in general better than we have in the past. Starting with some of the initiatives that Pete had put in before he was moved over Industrial, and Ron has continued on the Infrastructure side. So we should continue to see improvement in the operating margin on the Infrastructure, once you take out the effect of this price covering cost.

Julian Mitchell - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you. And then my second question would just be around the Transportation segment. Obviously, a lot of concerns about automotive production the last three or four months, your own growth rate has held up very well there in the September quarter. When you're thinking about the growth outlook for the balance of the year, firm-wide, you've got I guess a 6.5% midpoint against the 10% you just did. Should we assume that auto or Transportation in general, that's one of the areas that will see the sharpest slowdown in the next f six months to nine months? And maybe just talk a little bit about your expectations on that transport market?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I think Transportation is a little bit of a mixed bag. And one of the things that we try to look at are the production numbers versus the actual sales numbers, as I think that's more indicative of when the cars are produced and are consuming our tools. If you look at the Americas, I think that I would characterize as stable to slightly positive production numbers. EMEA, it looks like it's a little bit flat or I'd characterize that as stable production. And then there is questions in Asia Pacific, mainly concerned around China, but the projections at this point are to be flat. So you know I think the only area that is question mark is – and everyone's asking the same question about what's the impact on the macro-environment for China. So we have those same questions, but we also look at automotive as an opportunity. We have a good chunk of our business in that space. But really our strategies, if you look at it, to grow are not so much in automotive, they're really in the general engineering areas and aerospace and some of these other segments. So the fact that automotive is sort of stable is just fine with us. It's not an area that we're emphasizing in terms of growth going forward.

Julian Mitchell - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Understood. Thank you.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Julian.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Adam Uhlman of Cleveland Research. Please go ahead.

Adam Uhlman - Cleveland Research Co. LLC

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Welcome, Damon. I wanted to go back to the margin outlook for the year because you had mentioned that there were facility disruptions this quarter that hurt efficiency and it does seem like the Infrastructure segment incremental should be improving going forward. So there's a lot of moving pieces. Any kind of guidance you can give us on how you're thinking directionally about the margins as we progress through the fiscal year?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. You mentioned the manufacturing inefficiencies. And you know last year, we experienced the temporary and over time that really started in the second quarter and that was about $0.02 per quarter as we expected it kind of remain at that level throughout the year. So the reason we referenced another $0.02 in this quarter is that we had an experience in the prior-year quarter, but it's basically in line with what we said we think we've got "inefficiency" due the temp labor and higher over time as we try to modernize in busy facilities. We've got that baked into our forecast going forward. So I don't believe that versus where we planned our operating leverage to be and our margins that the temporary labor, over time and the use of temp labors is any different than what we expected. So on the Infrastructure side specifically, as I said, once we pull out price covering costs, we actually had – we're very pleased with the operating leverage that we're getting, which means that they're progressing their simplification and modernization initiatives, some of which we talked about on the call already.

Adam Uhlman - Cleveland Research Co. LLC

Analyst

Okay. And then secondly, I think you mentioned the earnings impact from currency that's now in the outlook, could you give us what that the revenue forecast is related to currency?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think the revenue from a consolidated total sales growth that headwind could be in the area of 2% to 3% based on our current estimates of what's happening with FX.

Adam Uhlman - Cleveland Research Co. LLC

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And the next question will come from Andy Casey of Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Andrew M. Casey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, everybody. How has everybody going?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Good. How are you doing, Andy?

Andrew M. Casey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

I'm doing fine. Thanks. Chris, for the $0.09 of simplification, modernization that you highlighted in the chart was that skewed to any specific segment?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think as we've talked about before in terms of simplification, modernization, Infrastructure business was actually ahead. For example, the Rogers, the Rogers facility is the first facility that we did and that happens to be an Infrastructure facility. So I would say that naturally, given the way we've sequenced the simplification, modernization plan that – it's more heavily weighted towards Infrastructure, but really the opportunity as we keep talking about is on the Industrial side, and that's where the future improvements will start to come from. But there were some improvements in Industrial too.

Andrew M. Casey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And then you've kind of answered this, but I wanted to directly ask the question, were there any other items that also dampened Infrastructure margins in the quarter outside of price cost?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

No, I don't see anything.

Andrew M. Casey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. Excuse me. Thank you. And then some companies have reported, already noted a U.S. demand slowdown toward quarter-end in September. It doesn't look like it from your numbers, but did you see anything like that in the U.S. or any other region?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

No, we did not see that in the U.S. In terms of China, I think that would be the only other area, where there was so much talk about, what's happening with the tariff situation that we saw just a little bit of tail off in September. But that's an area we got to continue to watch. But I would say, in the U.S. we definitely didn't see it, in most the other sectors, it will continue to be strong. So the only thing that we've already talked about is kind of an uncertainty around China. Now, the other thing I'd point out is, China by itself is about – based on last year's sales is about a 11% to 12% subject for us in terms of the total revenue of the company, so we are – I feel very well diversified both across end markets and a number of regions.

Andrew M. Casey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Andy.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Walter Liptak of Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Walter Scott Liptak - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst

Hi, thanks. Good morning, guys.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Hey, Walt.

Walter Scott Liptak - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst

I wanted to ask about – a question about the automation and simplification. What inning would you say that we're in now in terms of implementation, again, benefits?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think we're still in the early innings of the game here. I don't know, I would say second inning, how is that sound to you?

Damon J. Audia - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Sounds all right to me.

Walter Scott Liptak - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. And then the, as you roll this out are you seeing any differences between you know rolling it out in the U.S. versus Europe or any other parts of the world? Or should we expect that maybe get out of the U.S., things start to get a little bit more difficult with simplification, automation?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. It's a good question. The reality is we're actually – we've picked lead facilities and they happen to be based in various regions around the world. So it's not a question of we're modernizing for example, in the U.S. first, then we're going to move to China and India and Europe. We've got these programs going on in the various regions. And in terms of characterizing the challenges, I think it's – I don't think there's really any difference between where you are operating in the world. We're transforming the facilities and it seems to me that you have the same kind of challenges you do in the U.S. as you do in EMEA, as you do in China. And the good news about that is that as I said we're learning as we go, so we're making sure that we've got a process here to share those learnings across the regions. So bottom-line is it's a multi-pronged approach in various regions and it's not a question of one is simpler than the other.

Walter Scott Liptak - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. All right. Great. Thank you.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Walt.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Steven Fisher of UBS. Please go ahead.

Steven Fisher - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Hi, Steve.

Steven Fisher - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Wondering if you could just to clarify your latest thinking on the trajectory of how this self-help margin improvement will come through over the next couple of years. I think if we go back maybe a year or so ago, we were talking about it is going to have a hockey stick kind of benefit at the – towards the end of the program to get to your targeted margins. Just curious, I mean has that changed at all? Are you thinking now that it's a more smoother trajectory, maybe more front-end loaded? If you could just provide some color on that, that would be great.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yes Steven, just to reiterate what I had said back in December at our Investor Day, I don't believe we characterized it as a hockey stick. We said that the savings should come on a more smooth basis as you said. But maybe the part you're thinking about is we did say though that in terms of footprint rationalization, those types of programs would tend to be back-end loaded. But we haven't really changed our view of that scenario at this point.

Steven Fisher - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. So the margin – bottom line margin benefits should be ratable over the next two to three years?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Right. That's the way we characterized it back in, at the December 2017 Investor Day.

Steven Fisher - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. And then I'm sorry if I missed this, but I wondered if you could just talk a little bit about the price cost dynamic? And it sounds like you're seeing it more in Infrastructure and why not seeing that in Industrial as well to the same extent?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

No, I think we are seeing that we are covering – we are covering price and cost in Industrial and the reason it doesn't flow through in the margins as it does in Infrastructure is that just the material cost content as far as is much less portion of it overall total cost of the product.

Steven Fisher - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. Easy enough. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Ross Gilardi of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Ross Gilardi - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Thank you.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Hey, Ross.

Ross Gilardi - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Hey, Chris. So on pricing just some of the Industrial distributor, distribution customers seem to be struggling a little bit on gross margins. Does it get harder to raise prices incrementally from here, because I would just think typically if your customers are having a harder time raising prices, it would at some point come back to you, what are you seeing there?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I mean I would – if we look at the whole subject of pricing, first of all the pricing actions that we've taken, our feeling is – in talking to our customers is that we're still competitive in the marketplace and many of the actions we're taking are consistent with what the competition is doing. You know part of Ross, where we had an opportunity where you know we're focused on more strategic pricing. I don't think Kennametal historically has done a good job of understanding the value proposition of some of their products and then pricing accordingly. And so part of the improvement that you saw in the Industrial operating leverage reflects the fact that we're now pricing based on value and we haven't really – you know I don't think any of our end customers are delighted to have a price increase, but you know the feedback is that we've been pretty consistent with what the competition is doing.

Ross Gilardi - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Got it. Thanks. And then the earlier question on Transportation, I mean I understand that you're maybe diversifying away from auto over time but nonetheless, it's still a relatively important part of your business today. Could you just shed a little bit more light on the outgrowth that you are seeing? I mean clearly, as you walk through the global end market was not growing 7% last quarter. So is it new platforms or some type of other share gain up for you and is that sustainable? And can you help us out at all just on auto versus truck within Transportation, and how much is coming from China auto?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think what's happening with Transportation when you see growth is that I think we're actually – we're doing a better job of understanding the value that the product portfolio brings. So in many cases we simply are raising prices significantly based on some of the custom solutions that we provide in that business. The other thing that's happening is as we liberate capacity by de-emphasizing some custom solutions where they either will not pay the price and we can't make good money at, that's liberated capacity to put some more product on the shelf because the automotive industry also consumes more of the standard products. So that's helped fuel the growth there. In terms of China exposure, we basically sell through distributors, most of those distribution channels are focused on automotive I would say. So I'll turn it over to Pete here to see if he wants to add anymore color to that.

Peter A. Dragich - Kennametal, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah. And Chris to you point, I think we've had great success with understanding where we bring differentiation and value to the Transportation market. The team's done an excellent job from a commercial standpoint executing on that. And in addition to as Chris said as we freed up capacity, we've had the opportunity to service customers that have higher profitability. The other thing I would say, too, is we look at Transportation, particularly in China going through distribution. We are looking to diversify there as well with additional distributors outside of the Transportation end market.

Ross Gilardi - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Thanks, guys.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Ross.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Chris Dankert of Longbow Research. Please go ahead.

Chris Dankert - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Hey, good morning, everyone, and welcome, Damon.

Damon J. Audia - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Chris Dankert - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Just wanted to – and I apologize if I missed it here, but have you guys quantified the South Africa coal delays and is that back on track? Just any kind of color there would be hopeful?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I mean first of all, we haven't qualified the number, given it externally, but I would just say that it's – in terms of the overall context as Kennametal, it's a very small number. And then my understanding of the situation that's causing it is there was a couple of mines in South Africa that had gone bankrupt, and the players that are still there are planning to ramp up capacity to offset that. But they're slow to ramp up. So we don't necessarily see a drop-off in demand, I think demand is still there, they're just bringing the new capacity online to offset the mines that went bankrupt is the issue. But you know frankly, if we hadn't broke out the segments and try to be specific to earthworks in that region, it would be something we would never talk about.

Chris Dankert - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Got it, got it. Thanks. And then just following up, obviously, there is a lot of hammering broadly in the market about China auto and that kind of thing. But you guys posted pretty impressive organic growth across-the-board in Asia. Anything you break out there, whether it's growth in India or elsewhere, just to help give a better picture of what's driving the double-digit growth there?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I would say that the major growth driver for Asia Pacific from our internal numbers is really India, that's where the bulk of the growth comes from. As a company, we – well, I think we've done a good job of bringing the WIDIA brand back to front and center. We used to be in a number one market share position, when I think the company originally bought that WIDIA brand. And so, Alexander and his team have done a good job of getting traction, putting Kennametal and WIDIA back in the game in India, that's what's driven a lot of that Asia-Pac growth.

Chris Dankert - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Got it. Thanks so much, guys.

Operator

Operator

And the next question will be from Joel Tiss of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Joel G. Tiss - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Hey, guys. How's it going?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Good, Joel. How are you?

Joel G. Tiss - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

All right. So just a couple little ones here, can you give us any sort of characterization or idea like what percent of the products are still on the radar to be de-emphasized over the next couple of years?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah, the whole simplification initiative, if you remember we – Kennametal had been operating in an environment where they were trying to generate 40% of sales from new products and what that amounted to was we had a lot of incrementalism in our product portfolio. So products were different, but they weren't different enough to differentiate them in the marketplace and didn't have a value proposition that we could necessarily change price for. So part of simplification was to start to unwind that history of incremental innovation, really streamline the product portfolio, and I think there's still more opportunity to derive benefits from that, and I think a lot of that will largely play out over this year. And then, we'll go into more of a maintenance mode beyond that. But I don't have a specific number that I can characterize for you in terms of percentage and those types of things, so I just wanted to kind of describe the process, and how we're thinking about it.

Joel G. Tiss - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay. That's fair. And then as we get to the other end of the modernization efforts, a couple of years down the road, can you give us any sense of just sort of like the way that we should be thinking about the decremental margins? And also, like what would you view as the run rate free cash flow or your free operating cash flow numbers, as we go out a couple of years down the road? Thank you.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah. On the free operating cash flow side, what we said, and based on our EBITDA projections, it's clear that we're going to continue to generate free cash flow throughout the entire cycle, despite the fact that we're increasing the CapEx spend. So we feel that that's still the way it's going to play out. And I'm not sure I understood your question on the margins, could you repeat that?

Joel G. Tiss - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Yeah, the decremental margins have, historically, been kind of incrementals 30%, 35%, decremental similar, maybe a little bit lower. And I wonder if we should be thinking that maybe that framework would change a little bit, maybe your profitability, you'd be able to hold onto your margins a little bit tighter, as we go into whatever sort of downturn may be coming over the next couple of years or whenever you get to the end of your modernization?

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Yeah I think the way it works, the way we think about it is the incremental underlying operational leverage as we go through modernization should be in that sort of 40% range that we said. And of course in any given quarter, it can move around a little bit, based on some of the things that we've even talked about in this particular quarter. So I'm kind of thinking that is you got the sort of 40% was the underlying leverage for the business. And then as we do modernization and simplification, that's going to augment that and be added on top. And then in terms of a down cycle, like we talked about on the example in the slide, as we modernize we're going to be less dependent on labor. And so it should actually help us in a downturn because two things are happening. First of all, we're not going to end up having to carry all of this extra head count waiting for the market to come back because we're less dependent on labor. And then fundamentally, we're lowering the breakeven point of the company. So we should see better margin performance all things being equal compared to a period where we hadn't modernized.

Joel G. Tiss - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to hand the conference back to, Chris Rossi, for his closing remarks.

Christopher Rossi - Kennametal, Inc.

Management

Thank you, operator. In closing, let me make three points. First, I'm really proud of our team and the strong results that we delivered for the shareholders in the first quarter. Secondly, we continue to make progress on our growth and simplification, modernization initiatives. Our focus through fiscal year 2019 will remain on executing these plans, while simultaneously balancing the strong market demand that we're seeing. And third, we remain confident as we are on track to deliver our original fiscal 2019 adjusted EPS outlook and feel quite good about reaffirming our guidance. Thank you, everyone, for joining the call today. We appreciate your time and continued interest in Kennametal. Please reach out to, Kelly, with any follow-up questions you may have. Thank you.